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Title: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 20, 2004, 09:54:47 PM: I really dislike every single song on that album. I've given it a few listens, and the only thing I can say to the likers is WTF? On a website that rates albums, this was the highest scoring one. Again, Imagine and Double Fantasy IMO would qualify for that, NOT this one.

The songs are so EMPTY and resentful. We all know Lennon as a pessimist, but does that mean the songs are supposed to sound better because of it? God is VERY repetitive. Working Class Hero sounds so bland. It reminds me of that song, whatever the title is, the goes, "One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you." Those songs just don't have the notes and dynamic variation or beauty to hold my interest.

Most of the songs I've heard sound empty, probably because there's Lennon, a bass, and Ringo playing drums. I can't stand it! Imagine Album all the way, IMHO.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: The End on July 20, 2004, 10:27:11 PM: Probably - yes! ;D
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: pc31 on July 21, 2004, 12:07:48 AM: i agree.you probally are........
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 21, 2004, 01:48:48 AM: "empty"?.....

You've got to understand that the album was recorded because John was involved in Primal Scream Therapy, which helped fim open up and release all his negative feelings. I grant you that you have to be pretty down and depressed to really appreciate the album, but it's a work of genius and very powerful in what it wants to accomplish.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Bruno on July 21, 2004, 01:51:48 AM: WTF?? (afraid5)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: pc31 on July 21, 2004, 01:57:55 AM: (http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/stooges.sml.gif) he is the guy in the middle
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Rowdy on July 21, 2004, 02:31:04 AM: Everyone has their own opinion.....production wise, and lyrically, it's a bleak release, and I could see some people not liking it as much as Imagine....if you want to get to know John, POB is the best, but if you're looking for the closest thing to a Beatles album, then Imagine is definitely it.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 21, 2004, 02:34:36 AM: I don't get why everyone thinks it's great. It just sounds like a guy who's p*ssed that's TRYING to make songs out of it. All the songs I've heard on it are so primitive and boring. Nothing Strawberry Fields, Help!, Imagine, or Starting Over quality at all. Not one good track, either.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 21, 2004, 02:41:26 AM: Quote
if you want to get to know John, POB is the best, but if you're looking for the closest thing to a Beatles album, then Imagine is definitely it.

I'd agree with this. But that's the problem with a lot of fans - all they want is the Beatles.
Glad John addressed that in the classic, "GOD". ;)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 21, 2004, 02:54:48 AM: If someone's coming to John fresh, it must indeed sound simple and bleak and not worth playing. I don't find that hard to buy at all. In fact Mother has to be one of my least favorite songs ever.

For someone who lived thru that time and felt his resentment and confusion and pain thanks to the breakup (and Yoko probably) then the songs were pregnant with meaning as well as great insight and value.

From a strictly musical standpoint the songs ARE simple, because he was purposely avoiding any Beatlesque production, the same idea for LIB but now he could control it. And of course the subject matters lent themselves to sparse production. And so for what it was and what it was supposed to be, it is beautifully realized.

Still, it doesn't make for a real finger-snapping, happy party-mood listening. Not that it was meant to...he was basically tossing that part of himself aside, denying the moptop facade and putting more of himself into being a real artist than he ever would again.

Anyway, songs like Look At Me and Love are certainly not depressing and are quite lovely. God is meant to be repetitive, because it's the words that are important. But I still like it. Well Well Well is a great little slice of r & r.

One of John's all time best solo songs, Isolation, is a wonderfully constructed song musically, and tho the lyrics may seem bleak it is still a great piece of work.

So I don't think it can be ALL characterized as bleak or maudlin. It heavily leans that way, yes. And I certainly understand someone not finding the greatness in it. I rarely ever play it myself...just one of those things I quietly appreciate and listen to once every year or two perhaps. Which makes it just about perfect by the time I listen again.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 21, 2004, 02:59:34 AM: GREAT post, Mr. Charlie.

I rarely play the album these days myself. But as I've said elsewhere, of all the hundreds of albums I've heard in my life, none has ever grabbed me like this one, the first time I heard it as a growing 16 year old kid, filled with feelings of confusion, depression,
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Bruno on July 21, 2004, 02:59:46 AM: I don't see any problems in people disliking POB, everybody has different opinions and tastes, but calling the album 'garbage' is totally crazy
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 21, 2004, 04:51:23 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=10 date=1090378774]GREAT post, Mr. Charlie.

I rarely play the album these days myself. But as I've said elsewhere, of all the hundreds of albums I've heard in my life, none has ever grabbed me like this one, the first time I heard it as a growing 16 year old kid, filled with feelings of confusion, depression,
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Rowdy on July 21, 2004, 06:45:52 AM: [quote by=Bruno link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=11 date=1090378786]I don't see any problems in people disliking POB, everybody has different opinions and tastes, but calling the album 'garbage' is totally crazy[/quote]

Yeah, I can listen to POB (my favorite solo album btw) and Imagine back to back without really noticing much of a difference.....it's John through and through. I honestly don't see how anyone could dislike a track like "Remember" and also enjoy The Beatles.....that track, for example, is a very well written piece that rivals any of John's other solo tracks....it even holds up well against the Fab Four. So yeah, I'm kind of surprised that anyone would slag it off as garbage.....I think Fright Wolf read all of our acclaim for it and thought he was going to get Abbey Road or something, and then was rather disappointed......if he gives it a few more spins, he might start to enjoy it.....this is John, not the Beatles.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 21, 2004, 07:20:35 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=0 date=1090360487]I really dislike every single song on that album.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Sadie4 on July 21, 2004, 04:43:05 PM: Well, I think that in fact, yes, you are the only one who thins so. It's my favourite JOHN's soo album, I love it, I love every single song on it: Mother, isolation, Hold on... How can you say that? How can you say it's empty? It's quite the contrary to me. It's percisely when JOHN was more open, after having been with Janov and cried like a little child. This is his primal therapy album and I love it.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Bruno on July 21, 2004, 05:39:06 PM: [quote by=Rowdy link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=13 date=1090392352]
I think Fright Wolf read all of our acclaim for it and thought he was going to get Abbey Road or something, and then was rather disappointed......[/quote]

yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 21, 2004, 10:57:14 PM: Not just you guys; I even read reviews from a guy that has hundreds of old albums (Rolling Stones, The Who, Yes, Beatles, Lennon, etc.), and he did mention the lack of instrumentation, but I tried listening to many selections, including God. None of them were very pleasing to the ear. These selections seem fit for making in a speech rather than singing. When you listen to an album, yes, you ARE expecting some good songs. But these don't fit me as much as songs as they do as RANTS, which is the only thing I see them as.

And believe me, for someone who has studied The Beatles for a while and knows more than some adults know (just not many in here on the count of many people who come to Beatles forums are true Beatle Fans), I was underwhelmed and unimpressed, and then got off to hating the album.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Rowdy on July 21, 2004, 11:29:48 PM: Have you heard the whole thing? Or just some tracks? As I said, "Remember" is a pretty accesible track, and as mentioned earlier, not everything on the album is dark......it's basically John confronting everything that surrounds his life.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Runforyourlife on July 22, 2004, 01:20:12 AM: Who cares if he doesn't like it anyway? Frightwolf has stated over (and over) what he thinks, so I don't really see a point in trying to argue with someone who has his opinion pretty set. I mean, I don't blame you guys or think its crazy not to want to defend this masterpiece, but eventually it just looks like we're the ones trying so hard...to prove what? The album is a landmark in history and one of the most personal and compelling listens I have ever been subjected to. I could care less if no one else but me liked it. As is, it is probably my favorite album ever. That is just how it has changed my life. :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 22, 2004, 09:08:00 PM: Quote
When you listen to an album, yes, you ARE expecting some good songs.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 10:17:26 PM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=20 date=1090530480]
:D[/quote]

This is what I'm talking about, Joe. You show that adults are just as ignorant as some of the kids, and it's a shame too. You read one line of that and didn't even finish, so excuse me for being profane, but please shut the f' up. And no one telling me to calm myself will stop me from saying that again. They're rants, and that's what I think of them. God is a mediocre song IMO. So, all I can say is:

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D on you.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 10:20:17 PM: And since I think you're an impatient prick (once again, tell me to calm myself and I'll call you that again), here's what I said:

"And believe me, for someone who has studied The Beatles for a while and knows more than some adults know (just not many in here on the count of many people who come to Beatles forums are true Beatle Fans), I was underwhelmed and unimpressed, and then got off to hating the album."

So before you flaunt your "superior age" to me, read that first and then shut your mouth. I said SOME adults, not all, if you know English. And I said the people that come to Beatles forums, like THIS one, meaning I'm not claiming ANY superiority to anyone here. I do, however, know enough about the Beatles to judge this album in comparison to many other of Lennon's works.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 22, 2004, 11:27:08 PM: First of all, I DID read "your entire response," and I took the time to soak it in first. Just because I only chose to highlight only the opening line does not mean otherwise.

I'm not going to stoop to your level and call you a "prick", 'Frightwolf' --- and while I'm not going to "flaunt my superior age," I will say I'm damn proud of being born in 1962 and I thank God I'm not any younger in 2004 than I am now (in fact, I wouldn't even mind being 10 years older today -- means I've had even more better and classic times under my belt! ;)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 11:28:59 PM: It can touch people in all the ways in the world, but that doesn't mean it'll be pleasing to the ear. Whatever happened to listening to music (like classical music) and just wanting to hear something NICE?

Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral, for example. It can be about love all it wants, but if it's bland with no dynamic contrast or power or intonation, it'll sound like garbage. It, however, is a spectacular piece of music of epic proportions and DOES get the idealistic love message across.

JLPOB just doesn't do that good of a job at what it does, not to mention that the God song doesn't surprise me. It seems like a normal pessimistic tune that he would write, stating the obvious to boot, and something that I could not listen to in the car or at home.

I, of course, will continue to listen to some of these tunes again just to find out what the hell are you talking about, but as it stands, the album is garbage.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 22, 2004, 11:31:54 PM: Yeah, 444 ------

How about addressing some key points that some of us have made? Start being "adult" and opening your mind. Look at the things we've suggested, see it in the proper light. If you still don't "get it," at least you've tried with some understanding.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 11:33:54 PM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=25 date=1090539114]Yeah, 444 ------

How about addressing some key points that some of us have made? Start being "adult" and opening your mind. Look at the things we've suggested, see it in the proper light. If you still don't "get it," at least you've tried with some understanding.[/quote]

I put 444 because I was thinking of how to phrase it, and then pressed Send by mistake
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 11:35:06 PM: You also shouldn't be talking about being more "adult" when you behaved more impatient than a child in this thread: "Hey, I read three of the words in Frightwolf's post, so now I'll just make a :D face! I AM CLEVER!!!1111"
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 22, 2004, 11:41:05 PM: Quote
It can touch people in all the ways in the world, but that doesn't mean it'll be pleasing to the ear.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 22, 2004, 11:43:45 PM: Quote
You also shouldn't be talking about being more "adult" when you behaved more impatient than a child in this thread: "Hey, I read three of the words in Frightwolf's post, so now I'll just make a face! I AM CLEVER!!!

I made the face because I think your view of this album is hilariously off. :D

Also, I think YOU failed to read all of MY post previously where I just explained how I DID, in fact, read all of your writing before I laughed. It's just that I chose to highlight the one line when I responded. :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 11:48:38 PM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=28 date=1090539665]

Maybe then you HAVEN'T heard the three songs I've mentioned? They're "nice" enough.
But the whole point of POB is that John wanted to discover himself and completely shatter the "nicey-nice beatles image" anyway. It's not really supposed to be that nice. I'd suggest you read his 1970 ROLLING STONE interview (available in a book as LENNON REMEMBERS) and hear John talk about the album (he thought hit was the best thing he'd ever done).

Naturally you're entitled to your opinion, but GOD is still pretty universally hailed as one of John's finest works. I don't think it's very "obvious" when John says he "doesn't believe in Beatles". That was a hell of a shock - especially then.

The word "Garbage" is what spawned a lot of my attitude, you might like to know. Whether you like the record or not, that word isn't even a possibility. [/quote]

After Help!, it's not really a shock that he didn't believe in the Beatles. He was always angry at Paul (said that Paul didn't want Harrison to have so many songs on the White Album because he wanted more Paul songs, said he'd like Something and Come Together to listen to on one album and the rest somewhere else so he wouldn't have to listen to it), so obviously he realized that this was getting to Paul's head, especially with that note he wrote to Linda and Paul. Add in the aforementioned Help!, and it's no surprise.

Despite the fact that we are almost forced to be politically correct, no one said this country isn't free anymore. Thus I'll call anything I want garbage.

And because the songs aren't "nice enough", I really don't think they're pleasing to the ear. And even though I'll listen to those songs you mentioned when I get the opportunity, THREE SONGS DOESN'T SAVE AN ALBUM.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 11:51:04 PM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=29 date=1090539825]

I made the face because I think your view of this album is hilariously off. :D

Also, I think YOU failed to read all of MY post previously where I just explained how I DID, in fact, read all of your writing before I laughed. It's just that I chose to highlight the one line when I responded.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 22, 2004, 11:53:25 PM: I'd like to thank Frightwolf for giving so many of us a laugh!

Pal, you can call it garbage - but that doesn't make it so.

I'd go back and read what Joe has written: he does know what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 22, 2004, 11:57:36 PM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=32 date=1090540405]I'd like to thank Frightwolf for giving so many of us a laugh!

Pal, you can call it garbage - but that doesn't make it so.

I'd go back and read what Joe has written: he does know what he's talking about.[/quote]

I'd like to thank you for being so honest, yet just as idiotic. :)

Pal, you can call it great - but that doesn't make it so. Don't be sardonic with me.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: number14 on July 22, 2004, 11:59:34 PM: Whats wtf?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 22, 2004, 11:59:39 PM: Thanks, Maria :)

As for Political Correctness, you don't even WANT to go there with me, believe me, Frightwolf! I am the greatest hater of PC you'll ever meet, and I think it's ruining our country. So I certainly wasn't challenging your right to use the word "garbage" - but rather saying it just doesn't fit the album. And we all think you're quite entertaining :)

I think your thread is "garbage".
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tkitna on July 23, 2004, 12:00:13 AM: The Wolfs barking and I love it! If Fright doesnt like the album,,,,,so be it. Different tastes for different people. BUT,,,,I will have to say that some ridicule had to be expected when you throw the term 'garbage' around one of the higher respected albums of Johns.

Anyways, this is one of those threads that can be enjoyed from the sidelines. I love a good debate especially when it doesnt envolve me. :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:02:15 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=33 date=1090540656]

I'd like to thank you for being so honest, yet just as idiotic.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:03:24 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=35 date=1090540779]Thanks, Maria :)

As for Political Correctness, you don't even WANT to go there with me, believe me, Frightwolf! I am the greatest hater of PC you'll ever meet, and I think it's ruining our country. So I certainly wasn't challenging your right to use the word "garbage" - but rather saying it just doesn't fit the album. And we all think you're quite entertaining :)

I think your thread is "garbage".
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tkitna on July 23, 2004, 12:03:45 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=35 date=1090540779]
I am the greatest hater of PC you'll ever meet[/quote]

What do you have against PC? I think he's a cool person. ;)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:04:21 AM: [quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=36 date=1090540813]The Wolfs barking and I love it! If Fright doesnt like the album,,,,,so be it. Different tastes for different people. BUT,,,,I will have to say that some ridicule had to be expected when you throw the term 'garbage' around one of the higher respected albums of Johns.

Anyways, this is one of those threads that can be enjoyed from the sidelines. I love a good debate especially when it doesnt envolve me.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:06:04 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=37 date=1090540935]

Just as idiotic as ... who or what? You're becoming incoherent.

Sardonic?! Look it up, and then you'll realize that you were being very sardonic from your first post in this thread! I love people who live in glass houses, and who throw stones![/quote]

You just looked up the word on dictionary.com, didn't you? You are being sardonic, period. And I know the word better than your ignorant ass does.

Ah, the joys of being youthful... I love the profanity! And I love how I am using it freely to express how idiotic you are. If you couldn't understand my post, you're stupid. End of discussion there.

As idiotic as you are honest. Was that so hard, hun?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:07:02 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=40 date=1090541061]

Of course, but I don't care.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:09:10 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=42 date=1090541222]

Oh, this is too much! I know what "rolling on the floor laughing my arse off" means now!

[/quote]

Like this post. Did you actually scan down and read the rest? I bet you didn't. That was an intentional crack on myself, not a serious statement.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:09:13 AM: Quote
And your last comment made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:10:12 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=41 date=1090541164]

You just looked up the word on dictionary.com, didn't you? You are being sardonic, period.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:11:14 AM: No, you're not very "clever" in that post when you write "you're" instead of the proper "your". But don't lose too much sleep over it, son -- it's a common mistake many kids like you (and even some adults) make.

Blah blah, you're a kid, blah. At least you ceded that adults do. From experience, the ratio of dumbass adults are equal to the amount of dumbass kids.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've used up a good portion of my life being an a**hole. Time to be one toward family now!

I love modifying posts to fit the context of the argument!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:13:08 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=45 date=1090541412]

This ... silliness ... shows me that JL/POB is a little too emotionally deep for you, Frightwolf. You dabble in the shallow puddles, while some of us are big enough to handle the deep end![/quote]

Look how much I care. Don't talk to me about emotions: you're stupidass wouldn't know, hun. The fact that you're judging my emotions via this message board, even though I'm clearly displaying them, shows that you're a stupid idiot.

This is your logic: "YOU'RE BEING SILLY, SO YOU'RE A STOIC!!! HARDY HAR HAR!"

Dumbass...
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:14:49 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=47 date=1090541588]

Look how much I care.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:16:39 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=48 date=1090541689]

Frighteningly incoherent. But deliciously funny. Roll out your next attempt, Frighty![/quote]

You are proof that adults are getting dumber and dumber...

Someone who can't understand that really needs to go back to college, or even high school. The message was sooo simplistic, and I guess since it correctly showed how stupid you've been, you decided not to respond.

Adults are so patronizing, yet so stupid.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:17:59 AM: Quote
you're stupidass wouldn't know

There he goes again, Maria. Using "you're" when he means "your". You'd think he might learn something in this thread, wouldn't you?

I'm just reaching the passionate pain and suffering of John at the end of the classic, 'Mother'. Great stuff! :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:19:03 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=49 date=1090541799]

You are proof that adults are getting dumber and dumber...

Someone who can't understand that really needs to go back to college, or even high school.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:19:27 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=50 date=1090541879]
Using "you're" when he means "your".
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:20:55 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=50 date=1090541879]

There he goes again, Maria. Using "you're" when he means "your".
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:21:36 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=51 date=1090541943]

And you are proof that .... nah, too easy. Listen Frighty, provide me with more of a challenge. Try and rise above mere abuse. The rewards will be great!
[/quote]

Try responding to things I say, and you won't look like a total jackass. Really, try it. Skipping every good point I made and then claiming that I didn't attempt to challenge you... are you mentally deficient? I'll be as abusive I want to you until you learn to respond to points rather than pretend to laugh.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:22:51 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=53 date=1090542055]

Frighty is a concept by which we measure ... foolishness!
[/quote]

And the album is still sh*t... you're sense of humor hasn't proven anything yet besides the fact that your responses border the stupidity of our president. Try not avoiding the subject. :\
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:23:04 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=54 date=1090542096]

Try responding to things I say, and you won't look like a total jackass.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:24:55 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=56 date=1090542184]

Some of you sitting there with your cock in your hand ...

Sorry, I couldn't resist.[/quote]

I guess your Barclay Huntass hasn't learned anything, either. I really, really hate patronizing adults, because you just proven that you're a paraochial idiot.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:25:35 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=55 date=1090542171]

And the album is still sh*t... you're sense of humor hasn't proven anything yet besides the fact that your responses border the stupidity of our president.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:26:20 AM: Speaking of avoiding the subject, it would be real nice if Frightful would try addressing some of the points about the actual album...

Now I'm listening to 'I Found Out' - a great John rocker! :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:27:52 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=58 date=1090542335]

I don't know that I'm trying to prove anything. Rather I'm having a great time provoking you, and watching you thrash around, swinging and missing![/quote]

LoL, I don't mind being provoked. Getting rid of steam is helpful, so I'm enjoying this as much as you are, apparently. You haven't really shown how Joe knows what he's talking about, and that's one of your more recent posts. You might wanna try proving that to me.

BTW, I seem to be hitting dead-on, but you look like a complete dumbsh*t. I love cussing -- I'm much younger and probably have less wrinkles than you. Probably even less frail to boot! So being patronized and even called a kid by Joe is actually a compliment!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:27:57 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=57 date=1090542295]

I guess your Barclay Huntass hasn't learned anything, either.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:29:08 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=59 date=1090542380]Speaking of avoiding the subject, it would be real nice if Frightful would try addressing some of the points about the actual album...

Now I'm listening to 'I Found Out' - a great John rocker! :)[/quote]

It'd be nice if you could butt out like you said you would... then again, maybe you DON'T know what you're talking about, quite contrary to what some stupidass said about you.

I have addressed points; your poor, old, frail eyesight must have trouble seeing what I'm typing. Or maybe it's selective reading. They both make sense.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:30:42 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=61 date=1090542477]

No, I was just quoting from I Found Out.[/quote]

Quote all you want -- you're still a parochial idiot.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:31:45 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=60 date=1090542472]

------
BTW, I seem to be hitting dead-on, but you look like a complete dumbsh*t.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:33:09 AM: Hey, gang! Here's a great idea -- why don't we turn this hysterical thread into something positive by talking about what we love about the album? What are some of your favorite songs on the record?

Ah... "Isolation" -- another "nice" one. :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:34:28 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=64 date=1090542705]

You might love cussing, but you sure are bad at it. Barclay Huntass, dumbsh*t: just throwng the words around doesn't cut it much. We all know the rude words, but you should try using them cleverly rather than spraying them.

BTW, I have no idea what your chronological age is. But you act like a twelve-year-old.

[/quote]

That's the beauty of cussing: you can throw words like that around, because they'll probably exist in five years anyway, so you simply don't know the times, you piece of crap. Philidelphia was the first movie, or TIME anyway, when I heard the word f**gity-ass. Maybe I'll call you that from now on.

Cleverly? So THAT'S how you win arguments nowadays. F*ck facts -- let's just be CLEVER, even if you're wrong. Once again, I will direct you to the last time I called you a stupidass -- you are proving it again.

And I act like a 12-year-old? I sure as f*ck don't type like one. They usually don't know punctuation and such, when to use commas, and they surely would never even correct the 'you're' business, which has been recitified since Joe pointed it out.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:36:45 AM: And just to keep this on subject:

Double Fantasy kicks this albums ass. So does Imagine.

Ahh... that felt good.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:37:22 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=65 date=1090542789]Hey, gang! Here's a great idea -- why don't we turn this hysterical thread into something positive by talking about what we love about the album? What are some of your favorite songs on the record?

Ah... "Isolation" -- another "nice" one. :)

[/quote]

Yes, good idea. One angle about JL/POB is that, for me, it's not an album that I can play individual songs from. I enjoy it much more when I play the whole album from start to finish, in one hit. As it plays, the album is a seamless texture of light and shade.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:37:52 AM: Quote
Ah, the youth... I love being so young and uncaring of what I say to you.

And I love every time Frightful says this type of thing, as it only affirms my belief that the world is shot, and the kids are more worthless in this era of Columbine than ever before!

I hope he keeps them flowing. Makes me happier to have been born then rather than now, that's for sure. :)

I wonder what a hateful person like this is doing with The Beatles anyway?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:39:23 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=67 date=1090543005]And just to keep this on subject:

----
Ahh... that felt good.[/quote]

Oh dear ... TMI, TMI
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:41:04 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=67 date=1090543005]And just to keep this on subject:

Double Fantasy kicks this albums ass.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:42:53 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=69 date=1090543072]

And I love every time Frightful says this type of thing, as it only affirms my belief that the world is shot, and the kids are more worthless than ever in this era of Columbine than ever before!

I hope he keeps them flowing. Makes me happier to have been born thenrather than now, that's for sure. :)

I wonder what a hateful person like this is doing with The Beatles anyway?

[/quote]

Actually, if you direct your attention to the Paul McCartney board, I made a thread about exploring Macca's solo career, and Maria and you joined in. We all got along because no one was a sarcastic jackass.

I'm the least hateful person you'd meet, but online I really don't give a sh*t. You guys started the sarcasm, and I'm right back at ya. BTW, the youth today really DOES kickass. I enjoy being one of the best trumpet players in my district, and I love music. But when you start using age and making :D faces in response to what I say, I'll get right back at you. I'm short-tempered, not hateful.

I'm all for discussing things normally again, but this thread has gotten knee-deep with me calling Maria a stupid dumbass.

BTW, on a sidenote, I wouldn't consider yourself lucky -- adults seem to be getting more senile as youth get more worthless. I can't count the amount of times I saw old couples at my job whine because they wasted "55 cents" on water, or complain that the paper towels I bag will crush their canned foods. Amazing how "great" your generation is.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:43:32 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=71 date=1090543264]

So you prefer it sugar-coated, eh? Ah well ... one thing you can't hide, is when you're crippled inside![/quote]

I actually don't mind that song.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:44:42 AM: Maria, I'm not even sure Frightful is catching most of the lyrics you're using. This is especially true of PLASTIC ONO BAND, which he claims to have heard.

What do you think of the track, 'Well Well Well'?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:46:31 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=72 date=1090543373]
I'm all for discussing things normally again, but this thread has gotten knee-deep with me calling Maria a stupid dumbass.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:47:45 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=75 date=1090543591]

And the rest, pal! The name-calling matters not a bit (except to show your incoherence). It's your lack of logic, and superficial approach, that amazes me!
[/quote]

You really can't back that up at all. The only thing you've said that's "logical" (by your low standards) is, "Just because you say it's garbage doesn't mean it is!" That's all you've said, really.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:49:49 AM: Frightful, I don't know how young you are, but the first thing you'll learn if you reach 42 is that it's in no way "old". In fact, I feel younger today than I ever did when I was 18. Sure, I also thought the Beatles were "old" at 21 when I was 5. I then thought 40 was "old" when I was 16. You'll find out it gets here very quickly, and when it arrives... you're still the same person, only wiser ;)

Also, I've lead a life of no smoking, no drugs, no drinking. Due to this, I have smooth skin and a full head of black hair (though that's heredity). My health is great, and I've had 20/20 vision my whole life.

:)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:50:14 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=74 date=1090543482]Maria, I'm not even sure Frightful is catching most of the lyrics you're using. This is especially true of PLASTIC ONO BAND, which he claims to have heard.

What do you think of the track, 'Well Well Well'? [/quote]

It's one of those wonderful Lennon songs where HOW he sings is as important as WHAT he sings. That screaming "well" over and over is very cathartic. John often used his voice as a powerful instrument, and he does it on POB on Well, Mother, and God. Some of the greatest singing in rock, imo.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:51:54 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=77 date=1090543789]Frightful, I don't know how young you are, but the first thing you'll learn if you reach 42 is that it's in no way "old". In fact, I feel younger today than I ever did when I was 18. Sure, I also thought the Beatles were "old" at 21 when I was 5. I then thought 40 was "old" when I was 16. You'll find out it gets here very quickly, and when it arrives... you're still the same person, only wiser ;)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:53:44 AM: Sorry everyone, I have to go. Hold on Joe, Joe hold on!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: pc31 on July 23, 2004, 12:54:06 AM: [quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=39 date=1090541025]

What do you have against PC? I think he's a cool person.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:54:15 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=80 date=1090544024]Sorry everyone, I have to go. Hold on Joe, Joe hold on![/quote]

It doesn't matter, anyhoo -- the battle is subsiding, it appears.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:54:50 AM: [quote by=pc31 link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=81 date=1090544046]that was a grief causing statement at the ringo forum one time.a guy said screw you and the whole pc crowd.i really got mad and chewed him rather severely and then he said pc meant politically correct.was my face red...........lol

[/quote]

LOL...
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 12:56:22 AM: Quote
Point taken. But juding a whole generation on a p*ssed of me... that doesn't make sense. You caught me in an irate mood, most likely because I've had marching band today for 9 hours, and it does things to your head

BTW, I'll trade vision with you. 20/200 here. Got the lush black hair, though, and every thinks I'm 15 when I'm older, though I think I should be happy about that.

Yes, I look much younger than I am, too - it drives my wife crazy! :)

20/200 vision? Is this right, or a typo? I don't mean to be a wise guy, but it sounds really off. Is that a common ratio for poor eyesight?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tkitna on July 23, 2004, 12:56:46 AM: Well, this sure has been interesting. I havent read a good knock down, drag out like this one in awhile. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:57:26 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=84 date=1090544182]

Yes, I look much younger than I am, too - it drives my wife crazy! :)

20/200 vision? Is this right, or a typo? I don't mean to be a wise guy, but it sounds really off. Is that a common ratio for poor eyesight?

[/quote]

20/200 isn't blind, though I thought I was going blind when I heard that! There is no typo. If you see something 200 feet away, I'll have to walk up 20 feet in order to see it properly.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 12:59:40 AM: [quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=85 date=1090544206]Well, this sure has been interesting. I havent read a good knock down, drag out like this one in awhile. Thanks guys![/quote]

When the arguments started, I looked up and saw that 4 guests and 4 members were scrolling the John Lennon board. Guess the action spread by word-of-mouth.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 01:01:13 AM: Well, things seem to have subsided. For now, anyway!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Bruno on July 23, 2004, 01:49:28 AM: holy crap, last time I checked this thread it only had two pages with comments...now it has six!!
Like tk said, I'm just going to stay away and watch it from the sidelines

keep it up guys, I'm really enjoying this (http://www.soccergaming.tv/images/smilies/skip_e.gif)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: pc31 on July 23, 2004, 02:12:15 AM: what was the brian wilson primal scream music like i wonder?http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob11.html he had done it also.it is interesting to note yoko attended with john.what did she ever find out?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 06:16:41 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=23 date=1090538828]--- and while I'm not going to "flaunt my superior age," I will say I'm damn proud of being born in 1962 and I thank God I'm not any younger in 2004 than I am now (in fact, I wouldn't even mind being 10 years older today -- means I've had even more better and classic times under my belt! ;)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 06:24:50 AM: [quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=65 date=1090542789]Hey, gang! Here's a great idea -- why don't we turn this hysterical thread into something positive by talking about what we love about the album? What are some of your favorite songs on the record?

Ah... "Isolation" -- another "nice" one. :)

[/quote]

Isolation is one of John's absolute best solo recordings. And his piano playing is quite nice.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 06:26:14 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=70 date=1090543163]

Oh dear ... TMI, TMI[/quote]

LOL! :D
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 23, 2004, 06:31:46 AM: While it was a long and sudden burst of discussion, it created more heat than light.

Fright, maybe you were having a bad day but you really got out of line. You veered from very coherent to inane babbling. Being proud of swearing is silly. It's a bad habit and anyone can do it.

Anyway, it looks like it's over and I don't want to re-inflame anything. I made my points early in the thread as to how I felt about the album, and how I felt that Fright could call it garbage if he wanted...but obviously to do so in a Beatles newsgroup is like waving a red flag in front of a bull, and no one should be surprised at the reaction they get when they make harsh and contrary statements.

POB is a great album but it is not for everyone. That about sums it up.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on July 23, 2004, 08:27:45 PM: Fright, as a kid myself I must implore that you stop.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 23, 2004, 10:15:25 PM: No one kid is the voice of our generation. I implore anyone who hasn't tried to yet to hold a leadership position. I hold Trumpet Section Leader at my school, and trying to get under-classmen to listen to reason and experience is an arduous task. So you can see how I was not in the mood to be crossed.

Things have subsided, and that's that.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Dmitry on July 24, 2004, 12:43:14 PM: Frightwolf has been banned!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: The End on July 24, 2004, 06:53:41 PM: My God! Whay have I missed? I'll have to read the whoe thread!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: The End on July 24, 2004, 07:17:11 PM: OK, I've read it all now - HIGHLY enjoyable... but I'm gald I wasn't part of it! LOL ;D
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Crazy Diamond on July 25, 2004, 09:28:28 AM: [quote by=admin link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=97 date=1090672994]Frightwolf has been banned![/quote]
Why?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Sadie4 on July 25, 2004, 03:43:51 PM: For what kind of reasons can someone be banned from this forum?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Bruno on July 25, 2004, 04:49:51 PM: I don't think he's banned
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Sadie4 on July 26, 2004, 04:58:14 PM: Please, let's clarify this.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 28, 2004, 10:53:56 AM: hi
i`m trying to find out from a beatles expert
whether there was in abby road a producer named ken berges who used to work with john
glad if you can help or advise me on another link
assaf patrick
www.haaretz.com
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Dmitry on July 29, 2004, 03:46:15 PM: [quote by=Zep_Fan link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=100 date=1090747708]
Why?[/quote]

http://beatles.murashev.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=lennon,v=display,m=1090360487,s=60
What do you think?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on July 29, 2004, 11:35:01 PM: Frighty is still here
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 30, 2004, 02:52:49 AM: [quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=106 date=1091144101]Frighty is still here[/quote]

I am? Coulda fooled me.

Joe and I have made up. Why is this thread still going on?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on July 30, 2004, 03:27:11 AM: i was pointing that out to Dmitry, who apparently banned you but then repealed his sentence. Read his post. You should be thankful you're still here
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Dmitry on July 30, 2004, 03:18:48 PM: [quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=108 date=1091158031]i was pointing that out to Dmitry, who apparently banned you but then repealed his sentence.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 31, 2004, 05:39:49 AM: [quote by=admin link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=109 date=1091200728]

No, I didn't repeal. Frightwolf just post from differ place.[/quote]

Really? Can one do that?

Seems kinda shady.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tkitna on July 31, 2004, 08:01:46 AM: Yeah, I suppose you would have to get all of the different ip addresses. I was banned from a drummer forum once because they banned entire areas instead of certain ip addresses. I thought that was shady, but they sorted it out.

Hell, I dont know anything about computers so who knows?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on July 31, 2004, 02:39:42 PM: [quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=111 date=1091260906]Yeah, I suppose you would have to get all of the different ip addresses. I was banned from a drummer forum once because they banned entire areas instead of certain ip addresses. I thought that was shady, but they sorted it out.

Hell, I dont know anything about computers so who knows?[/quote]

Oh, he's saying I'm posting from a different IP?

I'm going to hope that he's just mistaken and not a liar, because I've been at my house on the same computer each and every time I made a post here.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tkitna on July 31, 2004, 11:19:20 PM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=112 date=1091284782]

Oh, he's saying I'm posting from a different IP?

I'm going to hope that he's just mistaken and not a liar, because I've been at my house on the same computer each and every time I made a post here.[/quote]

No offense Fright, because I actually enjoy your company, but are you trying to get banned? Dmitry isnt going to put up with much more.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on July 31, 2004, 11:48:20 PM: I don't like anyone being banned. I think the day-to-day users are best able to handle any eventuality.

I used to visit a board (not Beatles) where three antagonists used to batter each other to a pulp. They were all knowledgeable and forceful, and their arguments were HUGELY entertaining. Then two were banned, as some dull wits objected (not to language, but to attitude).

Within a month, the forum had collapsed. All the good posters disappeared.

In this case, although Frighty has shown (so far) that he has limited Fab knowledge, he at least is above the childish level that (for example) Patton was on.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on August 01, 2004, 03:04:42 AM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=112 date=1091284782]

Oh, he's saying I'm posting from a different IP?

I'm going to hope that he's just mistaken and not a liar, because I've been at my house on the same computer each and every time I made a post here.[/quote]

You do know that DM is Dmitry right? These are his forums, be grateful not arrogant.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on August 01, 2004, 03:05:56 AM: [quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=114 date=1091317700]I don't like anyone being banned. I think the day-to-day users are best able to handle any eventuality.[/quote]

And how would that be, exactly?

Fact is it's Dmitry's forum, so whatever rules he wants to be enforced get enforced.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: pc31 on August 01, 2004, 03:14:26 AM: at your disposal mr d.
maybe you should consider banning him by internet provider.it may take one or two others out but peace comes at a price.....
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on August 01, 2004, 05:17:50 AM: [quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=113 date=1091315960]

No offense Fright, because I actually enjoy your company, but are you trying to get banned? Dmitry isnt going to put up with much more.

[/quote]

Eh? That post was trying to clear things up
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on August 01, 2004, 05:20:05 AM: [quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=115 date=1091329482]

You do know that DM is Dmitry right?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on August 01, 2004, 05:27:11 AM: [quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=116 date=1091329556]
Still, I don't think Fright has had as long of a run as Wayne did, or has purposely gone out of his way to offend as many people as possible.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Dmitry on August 02, 2004, 05:07:48 PM: [quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=112 date=1091284782]

Oh, he's saying I'm posting from a different IP?

I'm going to hope that he's just mistaken and not a liar, because I've been at my house on the same computer each and every time I made a post here.[/quote]

As administrator I see everyone's IPs. For me no doubt that previously you posted from differ IP which I've banned, now you have completely another IP. Why? I don't know.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Frightwolf on August 03, 2004, 03:40:22 AM: [quote by=admin link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=121 date=1091466468]

As administrator I see everyone's IPs. For me no doubt that previously you posted from differ IP which I've banned, now you have completely another IP. Why? I don't know.[/quote]

Beats me, but there's two things I'd like to point out:

1) I definitely am not complaining.
2) Since there's no more problems at all with me and others, I don't think any other bans are necessary.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Billy Shears on August 17, 2004, 12:14:54 PM: i think charlie said it best early on in this thread. having said that, there are just some albums that people rave about that others don't get. i recently picked up the "banana" album by the Velvet Underground, after reading rave reviews and seeing it listed somewhere near 15 on the 500 rolling stone list. i've listened through it twice now and i find it pretty hard on the ears. in fact it is horrible, though it may grow on me.it was something i never got around to listening to from the 60's. i feel it must have been one of those" you had to be there albums"....heydey 1967 drug induced pop party culture, etc. i can see how POB might be viewed this way. people looking for great music and not realizing the mood or message that was intended. music is art, and often people gasp at works of art in museums and say " my 5 year old could paint that"....it's what art and music is all about....senses
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Strawberryfields67 on August 19, 2004, 11:20:39 PM: I've never heard POB. :-/ So...I should probably keep out of this conversation. However,I must add that my Mom has an extreme dislike for Abbey Road.

Let that sink in a bit. (afraid4)(afraid5)(bigeyes2)(dance)(mohawk1)(sunny)(stars)(bigeyes3)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on August 19, 2004, 11:41:53 PM: [quote by=Strawberryfields67 link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=124 date=1092957639] ------,I must add that my Mom has an extreme dislike for Abbey Road. [/quote]

Sensible woman, your mother.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: pc31 on August 20, 2004, 12:16:42 AM: it should be renamed a bad epitath
or another tricky day
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Strawberryfields67 on August 20, 2004, 02:35:48 AM: What? (scared)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Crazy Diamond on August 22, 2004, 07:47:22 AM: [quote by=garyman link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=123 date=1092744894]i think charlie said it best early on in this thread. having said that, there are just some albums that people rave about that others don't get. i recently picked up the "banana" album by the Velvet Underground, after reading rave reviews and seeing it listed somewhere near 15 on the 500 rolling stone list. i've listened through it twice now and i find it pretty hard on the ears. in fact it is horrible, though it may grow on me.[/quote]
>:( The VU rules.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: on August 22, 2004, 04:18:07 PM: [quote by=Zep_Fan link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1090360487,s=128 date=1093160842]
>:( The VU rules.
[/quote]

Pft. VU have 2 good songs LESS than the Who (who have dozens).
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: SieLiebtDich on September 01, 2004, 08:39:42 AM: hmmm...........
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on April 01, 2006, 02:43:49 PM: bump ... interesting debate ... I'm with Frightwolf here ... tho "garbage" is not exactly what I'd say ... over-rated instead ... anyway, I enjoy it too ... but I think that his best albums are:

Walls And Bridges
Mind Games
Imagine
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Kate on April 01, 2006, 02:55:10 PM: ;D nice piece of discussion....laid back as I am....I'd say.....I'm not with Frightwolf 8)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on May 05, 2007, 09:34:29 PM: Quote from: 37
[...]I'm not with Frightwolf 8)

So where? 8)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: sewi on May 17, 2007, 04:10:26 PM: Quite an interesting thread. I like the album but it's not my John album.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tangerine on May 17, 2007, 05:00:15 PM: not his best but I think it has some good stuff on it. Allow me to demonstrate:

Mother - I think this is excellent- incredibly emotional, often a bit painful to endure so I must admit I skip it often but though not commercial, a very powerful piece of music

Hold On- a bit weak really- I like the verse about the world though. But otherwise it's listenable to just a little dull I guess

I Found Out - I really like his voice on this, and it has a good rhythm carrying it through. Not strong lyrically though. Actually I like 'they didn't want me so they made me a star' I don't know why- it's just cool. But overall none-too-shabby but none-too-special

Working Class Hero- truly a masterpiece. Incredible what more can I say

Isolation- I love it but I don't really like the 'I don't expect you to understand' section but other than that, I think it's a rather beautiful song with fairly meaningful lyrics

Remember- It begins 'remember when you were young' and so always makes me want to turn it off and listen to Pink Floyd's 'Shine on you Crazy Diamond' instead...! Not a particularly great song really if you ask me. Nice message though

Love- beautiful song showing John's vulnerable side. Beautifully simple lyrics which anyone can relate to

Well well well- I really didn't like this at first and I'm still not keen...at all. It's grown on me a bit...not much. It's boring

Look at me- I love this. I just do. kind of soft, gentle and innocent

God- I think this is brave and powerful. Especially the 'dream is over' bit at the end- poignant and sad. This song is kind of like 'Imagine's direct opposite, which I think is great- it shows how varied John really was. 'God is a concept by which we measure our pain' - I still havent got my head round that one, he certainly was a thinker.

My Mummy's Dead- sad isn't it? not a song I value- it's bearly a song but I can appreciate that he was trying to work through his own feelings with this one, and good for him. But it really adds nothing to the album

Power to the People- probably good at it's time for the people it was talking to. Excellent as a campaign song or whatever. I appreciate it's existence but rarely feel like listening to it

Do the Oz- this is just weird and I've never made friends with it...unfortunately...maybe it will grow on me?

So, not my favourite album- it has weak parts but there are some golden songs on it if you ask me, which bring the whole album up.

[size=18]
Garbage? No

Overrated? Probably
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Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: sewi on May 17, 2007, 05:02:53 PM: Quote from: 553

[size=18]
Garbage? No

Overrated? Probably
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Exactly my words too, Tangerine.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on May 17, 2007, 06:32:27 PM: Quote from: 553
[...][size=18]
Overrated?
[/size][/b][/u][...]

I would say [size=18]
YES
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WOW, fantastic post, tangerine! (thumbsup)
I could agree on almost every point ... tho these were my thoughts (a year ago):

Quote from: 297
If I forget the avant garde albums and Rock and Roll (covers) and Shaved Fish (recopilation, non exactly hits) for me the weakest it's Plastic Ono Band.
Don't like: Hold on, Working Class Hero (I like Bob and this has nothing to do with Bob stuff at all), Well Well Well and My Mummy's Dead.

One effort: let's be open-minded. It's a monotonous and not very inspired album.

Hold On: imagine Paul singing the monotonous Hold On ... everybody would say it was crap.

I Found Out: nothing more than a riff ... where's the melody ... Cold Turkey II?

Working Class Hero: apart of the lyrics there's nothing in this one ... Bob-esq? only because is acoustic? Bob's never so smooth and monotonous (again).

Isolation: interesting -only interesting- middle eight. (the fisrt verse said it all ... about the whole album).

Remember: rhythm take or even backing one to something that could have been something more, anyway, the middle eight's got strenghth.

Well Well Well: annoying riff ... and no much else ... Cold Turkey II

Look At Me: imagine Paul singing the simplistic Look At Me ... everybody would say it was crap (not very different to some of the first stuff of Paul)

My Mummy's Dead: nothing, no comments: it sums up the whole album, lirically, musically, ... its feeling.

Good (no great) lyrics in general (not always) but the melodies (except: Mother, Love and God) and arrangements are poor. I don't think John needed Phil to record these demos. Imagine what wonderful songs could have been done with this stuff ... for example imagine Bob.
Overrated.

Don't think it's his best work at all or the best solo album of the guys, please, don't forget All Things Must Pass, Band On The Run or Ram ... all very inspired and excellent experiences of listening.

P.S. Something similar can be said about Imagine LP: some good tunes and some others very poor. Most albums are so... very good ... nearly great.

from here: http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-lennon/m-1079020458/s-15/
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tangerine on May 17, 2007, 07:35:33 PM: thanks :)

I completely agree that some songs get overrated out of proportion just because John can get away with it sorta thing- and the fact that if they were Paul, they would get slated pretty quickly.

Having thought about it, many of John's songs are made good mostly by understanding the context of his life and what he was going through, rather than the music itself. If, for example, I had never heard of John Lennon or known anything about him or the Beatles, and someone played me a load of his solo stuff, I probably just wouldn't 'get' a lot of it, or at least not respect it as much. Then again, I suppose John often was writing the music mainly for himself (which is probably the way it should be) with the exception of songs such as 'give peace a chance', 'power to the people' and all that which he wanted to rally up people for causes, but I think in his solo career he just wasn't commercially inclined because he got all that out the way with the Beatles. I suppose it was more therapy (wasn't it during POB that he was doing all the Primal Scream therapy stuff?) This has turned into a complete ramble but basically, he was probably often overrated just because he was John Lennon

:)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on May 17, 2007, 07:57:30 PM: Quote from: 553
thanks :)
I completely agree that some songs get overrated out of proportion just because John can get away with it sorta thing- and the fact that if they were Paul, they would get slated pretty quickly.[...]
Yeah, that's my point of view too :) ... I'd love to hear what people would have said if this was part of Paul's catalogue ::)...

Quote from: 553
[...]Having thought about it, many of John's songs are made good mostly by understanding the context of his life and what he was going through, rather than the music itself. If, for example, I had never heard of John Lennon or known anything about him or the Beatles, and someone played me a load of his solo stuff, I probably just wouldn't 'get' a lot of it, or at least not respect it as much.
[...]
This has turned into a complete ramble but basically, he was probably often overrated just because he was John Lennon

:)

This was basicalley what Frightwolf was trying to say in this thread (tho some people tended to confuse quality with significance) ... if we're talking about music, what was happening in Lennon's life has nothing to do with it ... not everybody who's going to listen to this album is going to know (or care aout) the details of his life at that moment (they're only listening to an album, y'know) so they're going to judge the music only and that's when fans seem not to understand that the songs can be heard with the ears instead!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Andy Smith on May 17, 2007, 10:12:42 PM: I still personally think a lot of Lennon's music was slightly overated :-/
& Macca's music, quite underated (i think is interessting regarding how
much loved Macca is).
I don't listen to POB alot as i prefer Imagine better & its brilliantly put
together. I do love the way John wanted the rough sound on POB but i don't
think that some of the songs on it make an amazing album ('hold on', 'well, well, well' for
example).
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Kevin on May 18, 2007, 08:28:30 AM: I think it is an excellent album, and as near a masterpiece as any of the solo Beatles got to. This was John trying to shed his Beatle skin, trying to step away from what he saw as the Corporate Beatle image. It was never meant to be an easy listen, it was supposed to establish John as an individual and jar the listener with its honesty and uncomfortableness. It is, like most great works, of it time. (Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds for instance struggle to hold onto their "greatest ever albums" crown if they're listened to today as just a bunch of songs and not in the context of the time in which they were made. The Mona Lisa probably wouldn't be regarded as much chop if it were painted today. If rock is art ......)
I consider it a unique album for a mainstream artist (the only comparison I can think of is the Velvet Underground) and the only truly original work by an ex Beatle. While most of McCartney and All Things Must Pass would have (and were intended to) sit nicely on a glossy comfortable Beatles album, you can't say the same for most of POB.
And just for the record, I don't care much for Lennon as a person and hold most of his solo career in disdain. Nor is this album my favourite solo listen (Band On The Run and Venus and Mars win that award) but I admire this album for the brave, original piece of work that it is. Amen.
Also, please remember that Power To The People and Do The Oz aren't from the album. They're CD add-ons, and in themself good enough reason to lock up Mrs Lennon forever and throw away the key.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: tangerine on May 18, 2007, 09:27:21 AM: Quote from: 185
Also, please remember that Power To The People and Do The Oz aren't from the album. They're CD add-ons, and in themself good enough reason to lock up Mrs Lennon forever and throw away the key.

wow...I never realised that. What right does she even have to meddle like that? (well, every right apparently) >:(
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Kevin on May 18, 2007, 09:38:01 AM: Quote from: 553

wow...I never realised that. What right does she even have to meddle like that? (well, every right apparently) >:(

I despise CD's but this really takes the biscuit. The album is supposed to finish with the chilling childlike Lennon lamenting the death of his mum. ( a kind of reprise to the opener Mother). Instead a whole generation hears these two monsters totally spoiling the mood and feel. Unforgivable.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Andy Smith on May 18, 2007, 09:45:58 PM: Quote from: 185
Instead a whole generation hears these two monsters totally spoiling the mood and feel. Unforgivable.

I agree, i listen to the album as it is & not hearing bonus tracks rapping it up at the
end. That's great for a bonus b-sides or singles collection but i don't get why, as Power to the
People was already on Lennon Legand sitting nicely with the singles. 'even though it was re-mastered for the
POB cd version'. :-/ ::)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: wingsman on July 04, 2007, 11:57:51 PM: Overrated for sure. His most remarkable solo work was Imagine. A cohesive record, with all great songs. I still can't understand how All Music and Rolling Stone gave both 5 stars to this album. It's a 4 stars album. Without a doubt the best first solo album by a Beatle was All Things Must Pass.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on July 05, 2007, 12:00:40 AM: Quote from: 713
Overrated for sure. His most remarkable solo work was Imagine. A cohesive record, with all great songs. I still can't understand how All Music and Rolling Stone gave both 5 stars to this album. It's a 4 stars album. Without a doubt the best first solo album by a Beatle was All Things Must Pass.

Thanks God!!! Finalley some people with ears!!! ;D
I agree ... obviously! Overrated!!! [size=9]Tho my favourite album is Mind Games I know that it's not his best ...[/size]
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: wingsman on July 06, 2007, 01:53:29 AM: Quote from: 297

Thanks God!!! Finalley some people with ears!!! ;D
I agree ... obviously! Overrated!!! [size=9]Tho my favourite album is Mind Games I know that it's not his best ...[/size]

You say 'Thanks God'? That's what I have to say. Man, don't write that your favourite album is Mind Games with small size! Because it's mine too!! I thought I was the only one! Great! I guess Imagine is his best work professionaly, but I love Mind Games so badly. Aisumasen, You Are Here, Out of the Blue!! Oh God, what an album!! It's great it's your favourite too!! ;D
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on July 06, 2007, 03:14:05 PM: Quote from: 713
You say 'Thanks God'? That's what I have to say. Man, don't write that your favourite album is Mind Games with small size! Because it's mine too!! I thought I was the only one! Great! I guess Imagine is his best work professionaly, but I love Mind Games so badly. Aisumasen, You Are Here, Out of the Blue!! Oh God, what an album!! It's great it's your favourite too!!  ;D
HEY, wonderful news!!! What a sur-prize!!!  ;D

It's not facil  ;) to find people who love that album!!! My favourite song is Out The Blue, I love the guitar in  Aisumasen (I'm Sorry), I Know (I Know) middle eight or the Intuition lyrics ... I love the whole album!!!  :D

Funny how Apple Scruffs (from Argentina too) love Guys For Sale as me (my favourite album) and the three of us speak sunnish ... could that mean something?  ??)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Andy Smith on July 06, 2007, 09:59:41 PM: Mind Games is one of my fav Lennon albums as well, it's my
2nd fav to Imagine which is my fav Lennon album. :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: wingsman on July 06, 2007, 11:56:37 PM: Quote from: 297
[...] My favourite song is Out The Blue, I love the guitar in Aisumasen (I'm Sorry), I Know (I Know) middle eight or the Intuition lyrics ... I love the whole album!!! [...]

Well, my favourite song is Out The Blue too! ;) When he says Like a U.F.O. you came to me, I don't know, I just love that part, and Aisumasen is perfect. So we really have those things in common! Fantastic! We're ready to create the Mind Games Album Official Fan Club. We could make also a Nutopia Fan Club! ;D
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on July 07, 2007, 04:41:50 PM: Quote from: 614
Mind Games is one of my fav Lennon albums as well, it's my
2nd fav to Imagine which is my fav Lennon album. :)
Welcome to the Mind Games Album Official Fan then, Andy Smith ;D ... great to know that one is not alone! ;D
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: wingsman on July 07, 2007, 09:05:30 PM: you betcha! 8)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Andy Smith on July 08, 2007, 02:21:14 PM: WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOU ARE HERE 8) ;)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on July 08, 2007, 02:39:35 PM: Quote from: 614
WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOU ARE HERE 8) ;)
Always (almost)! 8) ;)

What I like of John's Plastic Ono Band is the piano songs more than the guitar ones: Love, Mother and God are great tracks but I don't like tracks like Well, Well, Well or I Found Out ...

By the way, who was the first one who attacked the other?
Paul with Too Many People and all that stuff or John with I Found Out and lines like?:
"I've seen religion from Jesus to Paul"
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: mr kite on July 08, 2007, 02:56:14 PM: JOHN LENNON PLASTIC ONO BAND , ONE THE GREATEST ALBUMS EVER !

I dont think " from jesus to paul " is an insult really RAXO but only mr LENNON could only answer that
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on July 08, 2007, 03:07:17 PM: Quote from: 449
JOHN LENNON PLASTIC ONO BAND , ONE THE GREATEST ALBUMS EVER !

I dont think " from jesus to paul " is an insult really RAXO but only mr LENNON could only answer that

Not an insult ... I thought that some might think it was an attack, nothing else ... and John's album was released in 1970, a few months before Ram :) ...
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: mr kite on July 08, 2007, 03:12:41 PM: Mmm.. Dont know really , i think the 2 beetles on the cover of RAM doing what comes natural is a straight forward insult , dont you think ? :-/
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on July 08, 2007, 03:33:27 PM: Quote from: 449
Mmm.. Dont know really , i think the 2 beetles on the cover of RAM doing what comes natural is a straight forward insult , dont you think ? :-/
What I was saying is that I didn't think that that line of I Found Out was an insult ... I don't want to go off-topic [size=9](because there are some whiners)[/size] so forgive me, mr kite, if the only thing I'm going to say is: yes, I do! :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: mr kite on July 08, 2007, 03:57:05 PM: (thinker)
There goes that debate , as anyone on here bought or heard YOKOS version Y.O.P.O.B. ?
I hav`nt and i dont want to ::)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: raxo on July 08, 2007, 04:59:50 PM: Quote from: 449
(thinker)
There goes that debate [..]
Sooorry, but some people here seem to be very susceptible and ::) ...
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Andy Smith on July 08, 2007, 10:20:09 PM: God knows who started the john & paul attacking! that's all i can say! :P
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: sewi on July 10, 2007, 11:10:27 AM: It is not my favorite album but it is a good one. Overated? Maybe yes but John did very few discs and this is one of the 3 best.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: wingsman on July 10, 2007, 08:32:42 PM: Quote from: 614
God knows who started the john & paul attacking! that's all i can say! :P

In the records I don't have any idea, but I think was John.

John would be really jealous of Paul during 1967-1968 when Paul became, in some way, the leader of the band. Sgt Pepper / Magical Mystery Tour were nearly in their entirely Paul projects, and many of the A-sides of that era were Paul songs. I still remember John's sad face during the Hey Jude video. Remember that John wanted to have 'Revolution' on the A-side and the other three Beatles wanted to have Hey Jude as the lead side of the single!! During the last 2.5 years of the Beatles John only managed to make two songs of his on the A-sides, and Paul six!!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Andy Smith on July 10, 2007, 10:41:03 PM: Quote from: 713

During the last 2.5 years of the Beatles John only managed to make two songs of his on the A-sides, and Paul six!!

Maybe paul was a bit too demanding after Brian died of what he wanted. :-/
Remember that John said later on that 'it was Paul who by the end wanted the Beatles the most!'
if you noticed in the early days, John got quite a few A-sides, 'Help, Please Please Me, A Hard Days Night (even
though co-written), I Feel Fine & Ticket To Ride , then by 66 onwards, a lot of paul's songs appeared on A-sides, 'paperback writer, lady madonna, Get Back,
let It be & of course Hey Jude.
at least George got one by the end with 'Something'! :)
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Wayne L. on July 19, 2007, 01:45:37 PM: If you don't like John Lennon Plastic Ono Band, you have to be musically uneducated, because it's a masterpiece creatively, musically & artistically. JLPOB is a gem of the highest degree with few equals among solo albums by any of the former Beatles. Lennon's songs from Mother, Working Class Hero, Well Well Well & I Found Out would make Dylan blush as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: legthi on July 19, 2007, 02:09:45 PM: Quote from: 395
Lennon's songs from Mother, Working Class Hero, Well Well Well & I Found Out would make Dylan blush as far as I'm concerned.

haha, is this a joke?? Your telling me that lyrics such as 'I took my loved one out to dinner, so we could get a bite to eat' is far superiour to 'Take me disapeering through the smoke rings of my mind, down the foggy ruins of time' ?? Lolz, and you think WERE musically uneducated!
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Kevin on July 19, 2007, 02:18:10 PM: I agree with Wayne, except about the Dylan bit*. It's not a fair comparison, because it's not like against like. Lennon was deliberately being as simple and direct as possible, while Dylan was always trying to be complex and ambiguios. It's like comparing Da Vinci against Picasso.

* and the uneducated etc bit.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: Wayne L. on July 19, 2007, 05:52:47 PM: Do you think Like A Rolling Stone is superior to Working Class Hero legthi?
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: legthi on July 19, 2007, 06:17:23 PM: Hmmmm, not really, they're on a par.
Title: Re: Am I the only one that thinks JLPOB is garbage?
Post by: wingsman on July 19, 2007, 10:53:16 PM: Every time I listen to the album I like it more and more. I think it's really good, but now so well created as 'Imagine', sorry. Well Well Well is to me the weakest track in the album, he really goes crazy and is too long.
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Post by: 834 on July 31, 2007, 06:37:05 PM: Even if you don't like this album, at the very LEAST, one has got to give it credit for it's sparse, brutal honesty. This guy gambled it all by releasing this album and any lesser talent would have had disastrous results. I think it's brilliant--an incredible portrait of where John was at the time--exorcising his past and his demons in every form--from semi-cacophony to absolute beauty. One of my top 10 if ever on a desert island.
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Post by: mr kite on July 31, 2007, 06:41:14 PM: Quote from: 788
Even if you don't like this album, at the very LEAST, one has got to give it credit for it's sparse, brutal honesty.  This guy gambled it all by releasing this album and any lesser talent would have had disastrous results.  I think it's brilliant--an incredible portrait of where John was at the time--exorcising his past and his demons in every form--from semi-cacophony to absolute beauty.  One of my top 10 if ever on a desert island.

Here Here  8)
Its a masterpiece , yeah 834 it would be in my top ten any day
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Post by: Pasta Cheif on September 14, 2007, 09:47:29 AM: I like it well enough. The thing is a lot of times when an album gets overpraised, for example like Sgt Pepper, it has a pendulum effect, I mean that by years on down the road after hearing what a fantastic album ( fill in the blank ) is, it seems people see through it and go on to say ( fill in the blank ) was better. You even see it with individual songs... just tell a hardcore Zepplin fan that Stairway to Heaven is the best Zep song, and they'll name 10 other Zep tunes they think is better.
Kind of like a lot of Beatles fand pick Revolver and Abbey Road over the lauded Sgt Pepper.
The point is, I think when POB was released it astonished people and critics with its raw emotinal power. Now, many fans are picking Imagine and Mind Games.
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Post by: wingsman on September 18, 2007, 01:05:51 AM: I loving this album a little more every time I listen to it.
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Post by: sewi on September 18, 2007, 02:23:34 PM: Quote from: 713
I loving this album a little more every time I listen to it.

There are some good songs on it but others seem to be fillers. But most of the albums are so heheheh.
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Post by: wingsman on September 20, 2007, 04:11:47 PM: Quote from: 564

There are some good songs on it but others seem to be fillers. But most of the albums are so heheheh.

I know just one album which 9 tracks are masterpieces, and it's Innervisions by Stevie Wonder. It's really the only album I've ever heard that I feel amazed during its entire run. It's the greatest album ever in my opinion.
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Post by: Badfinger_Boogie on September 22, 2007, 11:04:16 AM: I think POB is a good album, but I couldn't really say that I think it's anything more than that. It does have IMO some of his best songs, but I can relate to anyone who finds it too stark and bare, because I certainly do.

Imagine is his best album as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: BlueMeanie on September 22, 2007, 11:35:50 AM: Imagine is certainly more listener friendly. As we've already said, POB was a shock when it was released. Deeply personal and introspective. Not at all what you expected from a Beatle. I often wonder how it sounds to young ears today.

Btw Ian, nip on over to the Song Survivor Game. (Link in my sig.) You only have a day left for Sgt. Pepper.

I should be ashamed of the relentless plugging. But I'm not!
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Post by: on September 22, 2007, 12:04:35 PM: I think John should have come back with a POB sounding album in 1980 , i would have liked to have heard " Father " and " Devil " it would have blown McCartney 11 out of the water ?

DaveRam ;)
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Post by: Andy Smith on September 22, 2007, 02:10:45 PM: Quote from: 679
I think John should have come back with a POB sounding album in 1980 , i would have liked to have heard " Father " and " Devil " it would have blown McCartney 11 out of the water ?

DaveRam ;)

What would Devil be about? ;D :P
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Post by: tkitna on September 22, 2007, 03:27:21 PM: Quote from: 679
I think John should have come back with a POB sounding album in 1980 , i would have liked to have heard " Father " and " Devil " it would have blown McCartney 11 out of the water ?

DaveRam ;)

An album full of farting would have blown 'McCartney 2' out of the water.
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Post by: wingsman on September 22, 2007, 08:17:00 PM: Quote from: 829
"Nutopian International Anthem"--it's a 5 second-long silence, written for the conceptual "country" that John & Yoko created in 1973. Only Lennon could get away with that

Well, if you listen closely the N.I.Anthem is not really completely silent, it sound more like a white sound right?
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Post by: on September 22, 2007, 08:26:18 PM: Quote from: 395
.  JLPOB is a gem of the highest degree with few equals among solo albums by any of the former Beatles.  Lennon's songs from Mother, Working Class Hero, Well Well Well & I Found Out would make Dylan blush as far as I'm concerned.

it's a great album, but his Imagine Lp is equally as great.

a few other J.L albums I didn't critique in earlier posts :

"Live Peace In Toronto-'69"--excellent set (played it all the time back in the day). Eric Clapton shines on this disc. It shows how Lennon was chomping at the bit to get back to roots r&r. Excellent.

"Sometime in NYC"--always loved "Luck of the Irish" (lyrically speaking that is--Yoko sounds like a diseased yak on this track..even more so than usual. "Woman Is The N*gg*r of the World" is the obvious stand-out song of this set--very much in keeping w/ the insipient woman's Lib movement of the time.  "John Sinclair" wasn't exactly out of left field since drug-related "cause celeb" issues were very much in vogue in the early 70's, and John, the most au courant of the Fab, was eager to lament the plights of radicals such as Angela Davis and a host of others. Of all Lennon's solo works, STINYC, is by far his most stridently political. It wasn't his most successful album by any means, but it certainly has it's place as far as aural manifestos go.

"Mind Games" - more inward-looking again, waxes more philosophic here. Psychological self-examinations abound on this oddly eclectic collection--much like his first Lp JLPOB, only this time the theme is more universal. John finds himself a bit more conciliatory in the title track, as opposed to some of the more predatory songs on say "Imagine" (e.g., "Gimme Some Truth", "How Do You Sleep", "Crippled Inside")--not that M.G. doesn't have it's own uniquely sardonic moments ("Bring On The Lucie")where he proves he can still bring out the fangs. If you're looking for the one "sensitive"  track on the disc, look no further than "Aisumasen(I'm Sorry)", his loveletter/apology to Yoko (it's one of the most beautiful, yet overlooked songs John ever wrote). And..for those puzzled by "Nutopian International Anthem"--it's a 5 second-long silence (or some such inaudible nonsense, call it what you will) written for the conceptual "country" that John & Yoko created in 1973. Only Lennon could get away with something like that...and make it look earnest :D
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Post by: wingsman on September 23, 2007, 11:43:31 PM: Quote from: 829

it's a great album, but his Imagine Lp is equally as great.

I agree. 'Imagine' is his most consistent album. The 10 songs are perfectly placed. When I listen to JLPOB I feel the songs are placed anywhere.
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Post by: Badfinger_Boogie on September 24, 2007, 03:41:21 AM: Quote from: 483
Btw Ian, nip on over to the Song Survivor Game. (Link in my sig.) You only have a day left for Sgt. Pepper.
Oops, sorry. Looks like I missed Sgt. Pepper. :-/

But I'll participate in all the ones afterwards. :)
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Post by: wingsman on February 04, 2008, 02:34:20 PM: Yesterday I bought JL/POB. This album is so so great. I've downloaded like a year ago (ilegally, sorry) but finally I bought a copie and the booklet is so good, the sound quality is outstanding and the songs amazing!
I don't know which is better, JL/POB or Imagine. :)
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Post by: wingsman on March 19, 2008, 11:56:42 AM: Quote from: 713
I don't know which is better, JL/POB or Imagine. :)

Now I can say.
Yes, JL/POB is better. I can't stop listening to this album!! Masterpiece!! Even Well, Well, Well - that I used to hate - is really really good!
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Post by: Geoff on March 19, 2008, 02:25:12 PM: Quote from: 713

Now I can say.
Yes, JL/POB is better. I can't stop listening to this album!! Masterpiece!! Even Well, Well, Well - that I used to hate - is really really good!

JL/POB is certainly the more vigorous of the two. I like this from "Well, Well, Well:"

I took my loved one to a big field
So we could watch the English sky
We both were nervous feeling guilty
And neither one of us knew just why
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Post by: duane v on October 10, 2008, 06:08:18 PM: I personally dig the record....

If there is one thing that sticks out about John's approach to song writing, whether it was with the Beatles or his solo efforts. It was he wrote for himself, and not to please his fan base. John for the most part was a very genuine song writer, and let the chips fall where they may. Sure this doesn't go without saying that being an ex-Beatle does go a long way in having a rather large audience ;D.... even with a sub-par effort, John Paul George and Ringo sure had plenty of ears to the speaker.
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Post by: Jane on October 10, 2008, 07:03:27 PM: POB is great and living without parents is sad, what could be worse? So John`s childhood was rather poor. I think in this album he sincerely expressed his emotions.
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Post by: Joe on October 13, 2008, 01:52:03 PM: POB made a huge impression on me as a teenager. That and Lou Reed's Berlin were my favourite albums for a time. I had a strange adolescence...

Reading this thread reminded me of this comment by Lennon:

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'Imagine,' both the song itself and the album, is the same thing as 'Working Class Hero' and 'Mother' and 'God' on the first disc. But the first record was too real for people, so nobody bought it. It was banned on the radio. But the song 'Imagine,' which says, Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics is virtually the communist manifesto, even though I am not particularly a communist and I do not belong to any movement. You see, 'Imagine' was exactly the same message, but sugar-coated. Now 'Imagine' is a big hit almost everywhere - anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic song, but because it is sugar-coated it is accepted. Now I understand what you have to do.

I also agree with whoever said the Mona Lisa wouldn't be remarkable had it been painted today. Context is key when listening to POB, although I do agree that the songs stand up today. As a statement, however, it's still one of the boldest things a mainstream artist could possibly do. That Phil Spector was producing it is even more remarkable.

My CD copy doesn't have Power To The People or Do The Oz, thankfully. I feel sorry for people who hear it that way. However, that version of the album was remastered, and I'd be curious as to how it sounds.
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Post by: Andy Smith on October 15, 2008, 02:33:18 PM: Quote from: 1393
POB is great and living without parents is sad, what could be worse? So John`s childhood was rather poor. I think in this album he sincerely expressed his emotions.

I agree. i don't think anyone made anything like this before or an album like this before.
not even Dylan, that came later in albums like Blood on the Tracks and Desire.
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Post by: python on October 15, 2008, 10:19:52 PM: i think POB is a very good album.Its second only to Imagine,in my book.