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Solo forums => Paul McCartney => Topic started by: on July 01, 2004, 12:18:24 AM
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Macca's new song, first performed at Glastonbury, can be downloaded from
http://www.maccacollector.com/glastonbury/
Sadly (so very sadly) you'll think it's like a thousand other McCartney songs. Time to stop now Paul ... please! You have nothing, nothing original at all to say anymore.
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thanks for the link Maria. Any ideas of a site with the full Glastonbury performance by Macca? I'm dying to have the live version of Helter Skelter
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=0 date=1088641104]Macca's new song, first performed at Glastonbury, can be downloaded from
[url]http://www.maccacollector.com/glastonbury/[/url]
Sadly (so very sadly) you'll think it's like a thousand other McCartney songs. Time to stop now Paul ... please! You have nothing, nothing original at all to say anymore.[/quote]
Oddly enough Paul seems to be doing pretty well for himself, even with your disapproval.
Imagine that.
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[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=2 date=1088649441]
Oddly enough Paul seems to be doing pretty well for himself, even with your disapproval.
Imagine that.
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What, you mean financially? Yes, there are plenty of people that buy his stuff, go to his concerts, because of what he once was.
You mean creatively? Forgive me, but no. That well has long dried up.
Oh Charles, you have to go past the Macca veneer to see the truth. But that should be easy: the veneer has been thin for years. In places, you can see that there's nothing left!
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[quote by=Bruno link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=1 date=1088643956]thanks for the link Maria. Any ideas of a site with the full Glastonbury performance by Macca? I'm dying to have the live version of Helter Skelter [/quote]
No, I don't. It'd be good if whoever finds a link posts it here.
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I wouldn't say the well has dried up.....Driving Rain was his best since Back to the Egg, for me anyway.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=3 date=1088654843]
What, you mean financially? Yes, there are plenty of people that buy his stuff, go to his concerts, because of what he once was.
You mean creatively? Forgive me, but no. That well has long dried up.
Oh Charles, you have to go past the Macca veneer to see the truth. But that should be easy: the veneer has been thin for years. In places, you can see that there's nothing left! [/quote]
Again, you see thru your filter of anti-Paulism, so pretty much any observation of yours is going to be tainted.
Yes, of course he is not the same creatively. Who is? An artist peaks and ebbs, especialy over 40 years. Geez.
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I just listened to Flaming Pie and Run Devil Run for the first time ever....Flaming Pie....Run Devil Run....Driving Rain...
That's one strong set of albums....possibly even his strongest set of three ever. I'd wait until the next album before declaring the well dry.
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[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=6 date=1088692573]
Again, you see thru your filter of anti-Paulism, so pretty much any observation of yours is going to be tainted.
Yes, of course he is not the same creatively.
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[quote by=Rowdy link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=5 date=1088690723]I wouldn't say the well has dried up.....Driving Rain was his best since Back to the Egg, for me anyway.[/quote]
You jest.
"1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... let's go for a drive."
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[quote by=Rowdy link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=7 date=1088695611]I just listened to Flaming Pie and Run Devil Run for the first time ever....Flaming Pie....Run Devil Run....Driving Rain...
That's one strong set of albums....possibly even his strongest set of three ever. I'd wait until the next album before declaring the well dry.[/quote]
Flaming Pie and Driving Rain showcase Paul's lack of ideas pretty strongly. Run Devil Run I found interesting up to a point, but lacking in real drive and energy.
And I thought the well was running dry around 1973. I tolerated McCartney, really liked Ram, was appalled by Wild Life, and was stunned by how dreadful Red Rose Speedway was. Band On the Run did not quite make up for that. And then there was Venus And Mars, and Speed Of Sound, and ... Yes, oh yes, the well was dry all right.
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the name of the new song seems to be 'Any Destination' and not 'Follow Me', at least that's what NME's website says, here's the setlist:
'Jet'
'Got To Get You Into My Life'
'Flaming Pie'
'All My Loving'
'Let Me Roll It'
'She's A Woman'
'Maybe I'm Amazed'
'The Long And Winding Road'
'In Spite Of All The Danger'
'Blackbird'
'We Can Work It Out'
'Here Today'
'All Things Must Pass'
'Yellow Submarine'
'I'll Follow The Sun'
'Calico Skies'
'Eleanor Rigby'
'Drive My Car'
'Penny Lane'
'Get Back'
'Band On The Run'
'Back In The USSR'
'Live And Let Die'
'I've Got A Feeling'
'Lady Madonna'
'Hey Jude'
'Yesterday'
'Any Destination'
'Let It Be'
'I Saw Her Standing There'
'Helter Skelter'
'Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' / 'The End'
if you listen to the lyrics of the song you can hear 'any destination' a couple of times; not as much as follow me though.
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I love Venus and Mars....lots of different stuff on there.....Flaming Pie and Driving Rain are for the most part unlike anything he's ever done (soundwise anyway, lyrically, Paul is always kind of meh). I can honestly see why people wouldn't care for a lot of his solo work. It's definitely somewhat frustrating in the lack of effort, but if you have all of the albums, it's a bit exciting because every song is different from the next.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=8 date=1088712756]
Everyone has their "filters", biases and preferences. To say that any observation of mine is tainted is to say everyone's is. "Tainted" is the wrong word to use in this context.
****Not at all. Not everyone predicates all opinions on their filters. You clearly do. No big.
And yes, an artist "peaks and ebbs" (as you put it; the metaphor is "ebbs and flows", but that is by-the-by).
****Yes, I am aware I mixed my metaphors.
And Macca has been at the "ebb" for a long time now.
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****In your filtered opinion.
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Peaks and valleys, ebbs and flows-who cares. McCartney's talent and creativity should hardly be questioned. Just because the guy isn't at the top of the charts anymore doesn't mean he's washed up. He's still a great performer and has the ability to move people beyond belief. It's too bad he isn't going to be fully appreciated until he's gone.
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[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=14 date=1088732082]Peaks and valleys, ebbs and flows-who cares. McCartney's talent and creativity should hardly be questioned. Just because the guy isn't at the top of the charts anymore doesn't mean he's washed up. He's still a great performer and has the ability to move people beyond belief.
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Dear Charlie,
I wish you'd learn how to use the quote box. Please stop replying inside AND outside.
Also: you say Not everyone predicates all opinions on their filters. You clearly do. No big.
But EVERYONE has "filters" or biases. That's what makes different opinions. The point is, your Macca filter is coarse-grained, letting through too much. Mine is fine-grained, sieving out lots and lots of rubbish. To change the metaphor, I set the standards bar higher than you.
Your friend,
Maria
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=15 date=1088751432]
I predict the exact opposite to you when he's gone. Paul, the manipulator, won't be there to promote himself like he does now. His post 1970s work will be seen for the mostly (mostly) vacuous fluff it actually is. Only, his Beatle work WILL remain.
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Yes, but thank god we'll have Georges stellar solo career to comfort us. ::)
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His talents ARE increasingly being questioned? Right. Not by anyone that matters. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same people who bought the bogus stories about how Lennon did everything creative and Paul was just the pretty face with the silly songs. The guy has already made his place in history and that will stand on its own. Not too many other people have done what he did. Contrary to what you believe, I don't own a single solo album of his and I'm not crazy about a lot of the post-Beatle stuff, but I still respect the guy for what he did and think he's a great performer. So what did Lennon do that was so spectacular after the Beatles? If Double Fantasy was the direction he was going in then he wasn't too far from the "vacuous fluff" you think Paul put out.
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[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=17 date=1088754103]
Yes, but thank god we'll have Georges stellar solo career to comfort us.
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[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=18 date=1088772600]His talents ARE increasingly being questioned? Right. Not by anyone that matters. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same people who bought the bogus stories about how Lennon did everything creative and Paul was just the pretty face with the silly songs. The guy has already made his place in history and that will stand on its own. Not too many other people have done what he did. Contrary to what you believe, I don't own a single solo album of his and I'm not crazy about a lot of the post-Beatle stuff, but I still respect the guy for what he did and think he's a great performer. So what did Lennon do that was so spectacular after the Beatles? If Double Fantasy was the direction he was going in then he wasn't too far from the "vacuous fluff" you think Paul put out.
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[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=17 date=1088754103]
Yes, but thank god we'll have Georges stellar solo career to comfort us.
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[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=19 date=1088772684]
Yes, let's not forget the great Traveling Wilburys.
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What a pointless sneer that is. Any band conisting of, in part, Dylan, Orbison and Harrison has got to at least attract respect.
The music the TWs put down was interesting, funny, sad, rocking ... They were on it straight away, unlike ... um ... lemme see ... Wings.
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Ok, I pointed out to you that I don't have any of his solo albums because you assumed that anyone coming to McCartney's defense is some sort mindless sheep that buys anything he puts out. Not so. How does it shoot down my credibility? I've heard his solo stuff. I like some of it. No, I don't have the albums, but then I don't have a lot of albums from artists I enjoy. So I guess I'm not allowed to have an opinion on any of them now. I love how you say the Traveling Wilburys have to attrack respect because the band consists of Dylan, Orbision and George despite the weak out put from such legends. So they should get the respect from their past glories? Is that what your saying? But not Paul right. Now you say their music was interesting, funny, sad, and rocking but Paul's was not. Not at all? Well guess what, that's YOUR opinion. And those that think otherwise are going to be put down as Paul acolytes????? Oy. So one sided you are.
So you just dismiss all of these songs? Even though they did very well for him? So I guess it was just all those acolytes listening to the stuff.
Let me roll it
band on the run
live and let die
maybe i'm amazed
jet
no more lonely nights
another day
with a little luck
my love
c-moon
hi hi hi
listen to what the man said
take it away
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[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=23 date=1088804363]Ok, I pointed out to you that I don't have any of his solo albums because you assumed that anyone coming to McCartney's defense is some sort mindless sheep that buys anything he puts out. Not so. How does it shoot down my credibility? I've heard his solo stuff. I like some of it. No, I don't have the albums, but then I don't have a lot of albums from artists I enjoy. So I guess I'm not allowed to have an opinion on any of them now. I love how you say the Traveling Wilburys have to attrack respect because the band consists of Dylan, Orbision and George despite the weak out put from such legends. So they should get the respect from their past glories? Is that what your saying? But not Paul right. Now you say their music was interesting, funny, sad, and rocking but Paul's was not. Not at all? Well guess what, that's YOUR opinion. And those that think otherwise are going to be put down as Paul acolytes????? Oy. So one sided you are.
So you just dismiss all of these songs?
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You weren't stating it as your opinion. You weren't even talking about Paul in the end but his fans! Saying people that enjoy Paul's solo efforts are followers and like it because they are not smart enough to know better as you do is not giving your opinion on his music. It's giving your opinion on the people who like his music or who have the nerve to defend him. And when you say one band is better than the other and state it like it's a fact, well people then feel compelled to point out that it's all opinion.
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[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=23 date=1088804363]
Let me roll it
band on the run
live and let die
maybe i'm amazed
jet
no more lonely nights
another day
with a little luck
my love
c-moon
hi hi hi
listen to what the man said
take it away
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Is this the best you can serve up? Well, maybe it is ... you don't own any of his albums! Why offer this as proof? I never said all his stuff has worthless - just most. Anyway, there's still a lot of rubbish in your list. Here we go.
Let me roll it Yes, quite a nice offering
band on the run "... never seeing no-one nice again ..." Forgive me, this song does nothing for me.
live and let die It shows that it's George Martin-produced.
maybe i'm amazed Yes, yes ... it's a good song.
jet Meaningless clap-trap. Supposedly one of Macca's great "rockers", but it isn't
no more lonely nights Yecchh
another day A dreadful, stupid song. An advertizing jingle.
with a little luck You're putting us on Maccalvr; a ridiculous song
my love Whoa whoa-whoa whoa, my love does it good. What lyrics! One of the worst songs ever written by Macca
c-moon I actually like this!
hi hi hi And this!
listen to what the man said But not this
take it away Take it away!
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[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=25 date=1088806032]You weren't stating it as your opinion. You weren't even talking about Paul in the end but his fans! Saying people that enjoy Paul's solo efforts are followers and like it because they are not smart enough to know better as you do is not giving your opinion on his music. It's giving your opinion on the people who like his music or who have the nerve to defend him. And when you say one band is better than the other and state it like it's a fact, well people then feel compelled to point out that it's all opinion. [/quote]
But we all know it's opinion. I know that it's opinion. I know that you know it is opinion. And everyone knows that everyone knows ...
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Great. Thanks for the review. Yes I don't have any of the albums thanks for pointing that out again. That shows me! Yeah, I think it's good enough proof to show that he's dones some decent stuff as a solo artist whether you think so or not.
Now if you want to rag on Macca let's talk about his recent face lift or the fact that he just had a baby at 60 something years old! That's a little easier for me to make fun of than his music!
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=15 date=1088751432]
You Macca acolytes [/quote]
That says it all.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=16 date=1088751761]Dear Charlie,
I wish you'd learn how to use the quote box. Please stop replying inside AND outside.
***I'll reply where I please. We all have wishes, you should try for something bigger than where I quote.
Also: you say Not everyone predicates all opinions on their filters.
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this is getting very Wayne-like with arguments over forced opinions and petty insults. I personally enjoy Macca's post Beatle work (not all of it) even if sometimes the lyrics arent mind-bending. the music is good imo
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Charlie wrote: .... you should try for something bigger than where I quote.
What on earth does that mean?
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Charlie then said: ***Semantics.
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[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=31 date=1088827147]this is getting very Wayne-like with arguments over forced opinions and petty insults.
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[quote by=Bruno link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=1 date=1088643956]thanks for the link Maria. Any ideas of a site with the full Glastonbury performance by Macca? I'm dying to have the live version of Helter Skelter [/quote]
This link
http://www.maccacollector.com/madrid2004/madrid2004.htm
will give you the Helter Skelter played at the Madrid 30 May concert. In fact the whole concert is downloadable from this link. It's an audience recording, so it's not brilliant, but it's not too bad really. That's the best I can do for now ...
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=32 date=1088839026]Charlie wrote: .... you should try for something bigger than where I quote.
What on earth does that mean?
**************My bad. I should have used the word "'what' I quote". But clearly you understood the point.
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Charlie then said: ***Semantics.
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I actually really liked the song. I mean, I realize that people expect a lot from Paul and I think maybe some people expect too much of him. He's done a lot, and I guess once you get to the top you can't go up any further though people still expect him too. I think that he's still got everything he once had it's just in the 40 years he's been doing music he's done it all. I dono, that's just my ideas on it all.
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[quote by=ringorama link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=36 date=1088884766]I actually really liked the song. I mean, I realize that people expect a lot from Paul and I think maybe some people expect too much of him. He's done a lot, and I guess once you get to the top you can't go up any further though people still expect him too. I think that he's still got everything he once had it's just in the 40 years he's been doing music he's done it all. I dono, that's just my ideas on it all. [/quote]
You said it perfectly. I totally agree! :)
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Maria, when you attack Charlie for how he composes his posts, you just look foolish. Who cares where he attaches his messages, it's what is in them. Also You say my signature is petty. Well, i find calling someone on a Beatles site a Nazi because they made fun of him for posting random garbage to be a little comical, so i quoted it. Why defend someone so willing to call another person an Nazi, or as he's done before, a Manson fanatic?
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[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=35 date=1088879319]
*****************I quote where the words are.
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[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=38 date=1088886510]Maria, when you attack Charlie for how he composes his posts, you just look foolish.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=39 date=1088891813]
When we have our little battles Charlie, why do I feel you're always playing catch-up?
Because you are!
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LOL
No answer, no substance, not even a good insult.
Keep trying.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=40 date=1088892180]
I think Charlie can fight his own battles!
Ah, here's the point. You're annoyed because of what I said to YOU, not Chucky.
I think the ganging-up on Wayne was quite unpleasant: it was like bullies in a schoolyard.
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Again, you choose to use a word that does not apply. Wayne brought EVERY insult onto himself with his ridiculous behaviour.
No one plotted to run him out (not even me). In fact, he decided quite on his own to leave.
Even tho he rejected your heartsick advances you find it necessary to defend him. Perverse desire for attention I would say. The same that drove Wayne.
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I think Paul's solo stuff is great. I loved Flamming Pie, one of my favorite albums. This new song is classic Paul, I think that if he changed his format, then it just wouldn't be right.
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[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=42 date=1088901228]
No one plotted to run him out (not even me).[/quote]
You see, that's why it's too easy to "battle" you, Chucky. You make too many mistakes. I never claimed people "plotted" to run him out. "Ganging-up" does not imply plotting. In one, your mind need not be engaged; in the other it does so need to be engaged.
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[quote by=Hideous_Scully777 link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=43 date=1088901387]I think Paul's solo stuff is great. I loved Flamming Pie, one of my favorite albums. This new song is classic Paul, I think that if he changed his format, then it just wouldn't be right. [/quote]
I agree with your point that the new song is classic Paul.
That's the trouble.
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Oh yes -- just in case you missed it amongst all this entertaining to and fro, I posted a link where you can dl Macca's 30 May Madrid concert. Here it is again:
http://www.maccacollector.com/madrid2004/madrid2004.htm
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thanks Maria (again) ;D
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=44 date=1088901787]
You see, that's why it's too easy to "battle" you, Chucky.
****You assume you present some sort of challenge to me? :)
You make too many mistakes.
****I'm sure this is true in many areas of my life but it simply does not apply here. You've once again misidentified the situation.
I never claimed people "plotted" to run him out. "Ganging-up" does not imply plotting.
*****It does indeed imply complicity.
In one, your mind need not be engaged; in the other it does so need to be engaged.[/quote]
Well, disengage and come back to earth.
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[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=48 date=1088914550]
Well, disengage and come back to earth.
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I was going to say that comment was cryptic, but that would be praising it too much. A more accurate comment would be to say that it's simply ... meaningless.
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[quote by=Bruno link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=47 date=1088903072]thanks Maria (again) ;D[/quote]
No problems.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=49 date=1088920011]
I was going to say that comment was cryptic, but that would be praising it too much. A more accurate comment would be to say that it's simply ... meaningless. [/quote]
Wonderful debating technique...take one phrase at random and comment on it, ignoring all the rest of the material that shows you up.
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[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=51 date=1088953508]
Wonderful debating technique...take one phrase at random and comment on it, ignoring all the rest of the material that shows you up.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=52 date=1088972401]
Oh Chaz, you keep using the wrong word. I'm not protesting. I'm laughing at how you often seem to miss what's really going on.
But that's the end of this little to and fro as far as I'm concerned. Doubtless we'll battle again; perhaps you'll have a win next time.[/quote]
*y a w n*
I'll be here.
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Glastonbury tracks are available here:
http://www.maccacollector.com/glastonbury/bbc/
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it's not working Maria :(
It asks for a username and a password (kinda like unreleased beatles) :(
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Bruno, sorry!
PM me if you want this stuff, and I'll give you the username & password. The guy who runs it is worried about bandwidth problems.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=21 date=1088801228]
With respect TK, George had a much more interesting, creative and outward-looking career than Macca. Macca was alwaysmost concerned with himself: Paul Inc, as it were.
Just have a look at a few highlights:
Wonderwall: a very creative soundtrack, written and produced by a young man in his mid-20s.
All Things Must Pass: One of the great albums of Rock.
Concert For Bangla-Desh: An extraodinary concert, organized to benefit humans in trouble.
Handmade Films: The salvation of the British film industry.
But I'm sure you know all this TK -- and more. I feel history will give George's post-Beatle work much more approval than they will Paul's.[/quote]
I just had to get a shot in. It was weak attempt granted, but I have to stand up for my camp. I've been away for a week (broken arm due to alcohol and ATV's) and I dont really want to rehash the same argument that we seem to have on a monthly basis, but I have to ask,,,,,,,how can a Beatle fan sustain that much hate for a single member? I just never understood how a person could sit down for a listen and extract everything negative about it. Its music! Take the positive and let the skip button take care of the rest. I know you dislike Macca, but I cant believe that theres that much negative music in his catalog to you. Let your guard down and enjoy some of it.
Cheers darling! :K)
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[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=57 date=1089394715]
I just had to get a shot in. It was weak attempt granted, but I have to stand up for my camp. I've been away for a week (broken arm due to alcohol and ATV's) and I dont really want to rehash the same argument that we seem to have on a monthly basis, but I have to ask,,,,,,,how can a Beatle fan sustain that much hate for a single member? I just never understood how a person could sit down for a listen and extract everything negative about it. Its music! Take the positive and let the skip button take care of the rest. I know you dislike Macca, but I cant believe that theres thatmuch negative music in his catalog to you. Let your guard down and enjoy some of it.
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I don't quite get it: you quote me defending your shot at George, and then rave about how much I hate Macca!
I do have to say that you must know that I admire Paul's work in the Beatles. I've said that often enough. However, I don't like much of his post Beatles stuff: but I like some of it, as I've also said many times.
I really think Paul has been a lazy composer for over three decades. You can disagree, but that opinion is voiced by many people (check other boards). Not that I need any support, I hasten to add; but I think you Macca-supporters need to realize there is another non-nutty, non-cranky, and substantial side to the debate.
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Yeah, I wouldn't say she was really taking pot shots at Paul or anything. If she doesn't like his work since The Beatles, then so be it.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=10 date=1088713139]
Flaming Pie and Driving Rain showcase Paul's lack of ideas pretty strongly. Run Devil Run I found interesting up to a point, but lacking in real drive and energy.
And I thought the well was running dry around 1973. I tolerated McCartney, really liked Ram, was appalled by Wild Life, and was stunned by how dreadful Red Rose Speedway was. Band On the Run did not quite make up for that. And then there was Venus And Mars, and Speed Of Sound, and ... Yes, oh yes, the well was dry all right.
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Rowdy, you have 630 posts and I would have thought that you would be familiar with the way most of the members work around here by now. Maria has a long history of taking stabs at Paul. The above quote is from one of her earlier posts in this same thread. Seems like a pot shot to me. I'm also prepared for her reply as to how I took her words out of context and i'm not understanding her and so forth. My point is that there should be no debate. Its music. Either you like it or you dont. If you dont like it,,,fine, but we shouldnt have to be reminded about it all the time. They all four released some real crap as solo artists, but i'm not pushing that envelope. If you dont like it, say your peace and move on already.
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Tkitna, I'm sorry, but I don't see it as a pot shot. Don't take it the wrong way or anything, but to me, she's simply saying that she doesn't like the music. She may have said it more than once in the thread, but that's simply because she was being asked about it, really.
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Ok, its probably me! It could be accepted as just opinion, but I read the very first sentence of the quote and take it as a pot shot. "FP" is quickly being regarded as one of Pauls best albums ever and "DR" was a decent effort. Saying that they "showcase Pauls lack of ideas" is a bit more harsh than just saying I dont care for it. Also, talking about pot shots, "And I thought the well was running dry around 1973"? What is that about? I feel that Paul has put out some music and albums over the last 30 years that was worthy of listening to. Apparently, alot of other people did also, as Paul is still doing fairly well for himself.
We may never see another masterpiece from Paul, but so be it. You dont see everybody on this forum picking apart "Gone Troppo" on the George board or people capping on Ringos stuff. Its always Paul and it miffs me.
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TK: Wayne had a solid go at some of Ringo's albums (Rotogravure, IV, Bad Boy). Gone Troppo (and other Harrison stuff) has been knocked on this board.
Y'know, there's even one person here who doesn't think much of Abbey Road! :)
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=63 date=1089694507]
Y'know, there's even one person here who doesn't think much of Abbey Road! :)[/quote]
Where is he? I'll tear him limb from limb! (or it might even be a she now that I think about it) ;)
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[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=62 date=1089693425]Ok, its probably me! It could be accepted as just opinion, but I read the very first sentence of the quote and take it as a pot shot. "FP" is quickly being regarded as one of Pauls best albums ever and "DR" was a decent effort. Saying that they "showcase Pauls lack of ideas" is a bit more harsh than just saying I dont care for it. Also, talking about pot shots, "And I thought the well was running dry around 1973"? What is that about? I feel that Paul has put out some music and albums over the last 30 years that was worthy of listening to. Apparently, alot of other people did also, as Paul is still doing fairly well for himself.
We may never see another masterpiece from Paul, but so be it. You dont see everybody on this forum picking apart "Gone Troppo" on the George board or people capping on Ringos stuff. Its always Paul and it miffs me.[/quote]
I think it's hard for some Macca fans to get into his post-Beatle stuff. I love the guy but apart from some exceptions I'm not that into the solo stuff. I think Paul himself summed it up when they all sung 'Boy, your gonna carry that weight' for whatever any of them do after the Beatles, will always be measured against it. You reckon?
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[quote by=An_Apple_Beatle link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=65 date=1089714543]
I think it's hard for some Macca fans to get into his post-Beatle stuff. I love the guy but apart from some exceptions I'm not that into the solo stuff.
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Out of curiousity, what solo stuff of Pauls do you own and what have you listened to? Well, for that matter, what solo stuff do you own or listen to by any of the Beatles? I'm just interested in what you base your statement on.
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True, I wasn't really a Paul fan after hearing Wingspan........but then I heard the albums on their own and really ate it all up (or at least the 70's stuff/his last three albums).....if you just own Wingspan, Apple Beatle, you might not think too fondly of him.....it definitely didn't have the best track selection in my opinion...
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I hope nobody rips my head off, but I wanted to add my two cents in as well.
IMO, Paul wrote his greatest stuff when he had John and Linda around. Don't get me wrong, all of his work is excellent, but when I saw him in concert, the audience seemed to respond more to the Beatles/Wings songs than his newer songs. I had heard a joke on the radio before I went to the concert that when Paul sings his new songs, that's when everybody goes to the restroom or goes to get a beer. Unfortunately, a lot of people did get up and move around when he sang his newer songs. Of course, I stayed in my seat the whole time since I was watching Paul McCartney in concert.
Not to get off the subject...Linda was Paul's muse and you can tell in the songs he wrote when she was around. I think "Maybe I'm Amazed" has to be one of his best.
Again, this is my opinion, so I'm not looking to cause any trouble! LOL!
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Its common for the audience to respond to what they're familiar with. Lets be honest, i've been to hundreds of concerts and if a band has a new record out that i'm not familiar with and they start to play one of those songs, thats my mark to go take a p*ss and grab a beer too. Trust me, Paul caters to the audience by playing a bunch of the Beatle stuff and his hits repeatedly and i'm sure he's as sick of playing them as I am hearing them. Makes me upset because i'm a fan of a larger scale and would love to hear some more obscure stuff, but it aint going to happen. I suppose its a luxury to have such a vast catalog.
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[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1088641104,s=66 date=1089762055]
Out of curiousity, what solo stuff of Pauls do you own and what have you listened to? Well, for that matter, what solo stuff do you own or listen to by any of the Beatles? I'm just interested in what you base your statement on.
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I own all Beatle albums. In terms of Macca solo, I have 'All The Best'(compilation), I have Flaming Pie. I have heard the others and well, just never got into it. I certainly did not put myself through the pain of HAVING to know his solo albums to make comment as for me personally, it just did'nt vibe me when I listened to them. ...Oooh forgot to mention when I was a nipper I did buy Say, Say, Say, The Girl is mine and Pipes Of Peace on 7 inch vinyl. lol
Infact it's safe to say I don't own much if hardly any solo Beatle albums just compilations. Maybe I'm just enchanted by them as Beatles? Dunno? That said, all individually had great songs (I really can't comment on Ringo coz I don't know.) Shame they were'nt together to give us another amazing Beatle album.
I base my statement upon reaction and experience.
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Maybe it should be a new thread but what about compiling the Best Beatle solo album made up from all 4 solo careers? I certainly would'nt be including the Ono-Lennon in there. lol. Heres some of my ideas, not in order of preference.
Live n Let Die,
Imagine,
Instant Karma,
Merry Xmas (War is..),
My Sweet Lord,
Jet,
Let Em In,
We All Stand Together
I'm sure with better solo knowledge this could be more themed. Just thought I'd get the ball rolling and let yous lot educate me.
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Funny reading (laugh4)
You all will have read that ah... Maria is no longer with us. But Micky and Tich and I would just like to carry on the good work that's always gone down in number two.
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tooth and nail in them days.....i carried a knife on the forums back then....lol
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i carried a knife on the forums back then....lol
LOL! What a great line - nice one!!! ;D
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tooth and nail in them days.....i carried a knife on the forums back then....lol
So that's what happened to Maria! Where'd you dump the body pc? I guess you got them alligators down there to solve those kind of problems.
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thats right.....the gators don't leave much....(http://gatorpark.com/lil_site/images/1_pics/alligators.jpg)
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Yes, those were the days.
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Just to clarify. I DO own some Paul solo albums now! And Lennon too. I was reading through and was apalled by myself.
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apaulling!!!