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Title: Rubbish!
Post by: Bobber on August 01, 2005, 02:18:27 PM
Found this: food for Ydoll and others probably:

[face=Sans-Serif]Paul McCartney brands his music as rubbish

Poor old Macca seems to be having a crisis of confidence, branding much of the music produced during his two hundred year career as, quite simply, rubbish.He recalls much of his material with horror, or worse still, complete lack of recollection
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Mendips on August 01, 2005, 02:48:13 PM
I say his hag wife is brain washing him.

Sorry to all you Heather fans.
I never disliked ANY Beatle wife except her.

 >:(.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Bobber on August 01, 2005, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: Mendips
I say his hag wife is brain washing him.

Sorry to all you Heather fans.
I never disliked ANY Beatle wife except her.

 >:(.

LOL! Heather isn't even mentioned in this article! Mmm, thinking about that: maybe Yoko told Paul she actually liked Press To Play... Paul probably never disliked any Beatle wife, except her... I think that Paul, looking back, isn't too happy with this kind of stuff. But hey, that was then and this is now. Why not take your ups and downs for granted? It's part of the deal.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: An Apple Beatle on August 01, 2005, 04:39:51 PM
He's got a point....the perils of being a prolific writer...lol
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Paulsluv on August 01, 2005, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Mendips
I say his hag wife is brain washing him.

Sorry to all you Heather fans.
I never disliked ANY Beatle wife except her.

 >:(.

Hehe! Maybe she is, maybe she isn't.

I don't like the golddigger either, Mendips.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: tkitna on August 01, 2005, 08:24:35 PM
I'd like know what source that article came from. I realize that every artist has some lackluster work that they arent crazy about, but i'm just curious as to where Paul said this.

(I aint crazy about Press either, but he has a couple worse than that.)
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Paulsluv on August 01, 2005, 08:44:46 PM
Here's the link.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds23072.html

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Mendips on August 01, 2005, 09:49:12 PM
Paulsluv,
  You and I seem to agree a lot!

 ;)

My sister who despises Heather calls her Gap Tooth!
(I know that's terrible, so I just call her Gold Digger!)

Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Paulsluv on August 01, 2005, 11:50:48 PM
Hehe
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: adamzero on August 02, 2005, 12:13:17 AM
Irony: I got ripped the other day for saying what Paul has apparently said himself!

I think this is a good sign.  Paul admits some of his stuff has been subpar.  I think he wants to get back to the McCartney of his glory years.  Maybe the albums since Flaming Pie are working back to that.  

He just needs to keep the lyrics real--whatever that means.  Not goofy, not sentimental, not syrupy, not blustery.  But real.  The real Paul McCartney, who, it seems, is at bottom a damned decent guy and talented musician who needs to take himself seriously but not too seriously.  

I like the song he did about Lennon on Flaming Pie, because you could tell it was real. Now he needs to choose his subjects and get back to the core of what he was.  I think part of the problem is evident in a quote from a Q magazine interview: "But most of my songs are not specific."  

Get specific, Paul.  That's what John was always able to do--to pull out of you.  The Eleanor Rigby's, the Penny Lane's, etc.  Specifics!

I think we all would like to see it happen.  We all want Paul to have one more golden age, just like we want to see Brian Wilson have one, or Dylan, etc.  

Personally, I'd like to hear an album where Paul went to town on the bass, like he did in the 65-69 years.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Sondra on August 02, 2005, 04:10:19 AM
I seriously doubt McCartney ever said this. Unless he's gotten a labotomy or something because this would be completely out of character for the man.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Bobber on August 02, 2005, 07:30:07 AM
Quote from: tkitna
I'd like know what source that article came from. I realize that every artist has some lackluster work that they arent crazy about, but i'm just curious as to where Paul said this.

(I aint crazy about Press either, but he has a couple worse than that.)

He was quoted from contactmusic.com
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: andersonCouncill on August 02, 2005, 08:45:21 AM
You should never trust these interviews though. Your never getting the whole thing. Its not uncommon for an artist to have his words mixed around, his phrases unfinished, and his sentences butchered to the point of giving them a diffrent meaning for the sake of an interesting story.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Bobber on August 02, 2005, 08:46:55 AM
I just stated that I found it. It's up to you with you think of it.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: andersonCouncill on August 02, 2005, 08:56:28 AM
Well, I can't make a real judgment because I have yet to read the full article. If he does think that about his work though, he's absolutely bonkers!
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: An Apple Beatle on August 02, 2005, 09:40:41 AM
I doubt he is referring to his Beatle era. ;)
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: on August 02, 2005, 12:16:57 PM
I've never heard Paul make excuses about any of his work. As for being REAL, well, when he recorded the solo stuff in question, maybe it was 'real' for him at the time. People change. Their outlook, their inspirations, etc. Some things age well, some don't. Zero is living in the past. Paul isn't in the Beatles anymore. He's writing things from a 63 year old point of view. John wasn't writing 'Beatly' things, neither was George, so why should we expect Paul to try to recapture that? He'd be ripped to shreds either way. Listen to your '65-'69 stuff and let the rest go. Get over it.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: Kevin on August 02, 2005, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: juniorsfarm
I've never heard Paul make excuses about any of his work.  

But wasn't this thread started because that's exactly what Paul has done (unless the interview is wrong). He started it. :)
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: adamzero on August 02, 2005, 04:16:37 PM
I believe the contact.music source was the Mirror which in turn refers to an upcoming Q Magazine interview.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: on August 02, 2005, 11:54:10 PM
Maybe he enjoys making music. Why would anyone have a problem with that? Why does it have to be anything besides what he wants to write and produce? No one is forced to listen to it or buy it. He does what he does and where's the fault in that? Why, pray tell, do you deign it upon yourself to decide what he's trying to do i.e. be an artist 'again'? Another day, and another post of Pompous pap. As for me, I give a rat's ass if his music is Pop or a metaphysical wonderland, I'm glad he's still doing what he enjoys. We should all be so lucky in life. And if it turns out to be an enjoyable, or in your case, a real and meaningful, listen, then everyone wins. If making troll dolls would have made Picasso happy or if Faulkner wanted to write a Harlequin, I say good for them. If it would have made them happy, so f***ing what? No harm done except to armchair quarterbacks who decides who should do what.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: adamzero on August 03, 2005, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: juniorsfarm
Why, pray tell, do you deign it upon yourself . . . Pompous pap . . .rat's ass . . . so f***ing what . . .armchair quarterbacks . . . .

Can't you make your point without verbally attacking me?  

Admit it, you're just a bully.  If you don't like somebody's idea, you call them names.  Maybe it's because you don't have much of a point to make.  So you cover it in hostile rhetoric.  

Your point=it's good if it makes Paul happy.  End of discussion.

The only problem is: Paul doesn't seem so happy with it (i.e., the rubbish comment.).






Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: on August 03, 2005, 12:58:50 AM
Quote from: adamzero

Can't you make your point without verbally attacking me?
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: adamzero on August 03, 2005, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: juniorsfarm

Well, I think I'm hardly a bully,


Most bullies don't.  

Quote from: juniorsfarm

I just don't have much use for people that feel the need to derogate because of their personal tastes

What else do we have to "derogate" or make discriminations from besides "personal taste"?

Quote from: juniorsfarm

you seem to have the need to enlighten through criticism.


God forbid, anyone should dare to say anything enlightening on a message board

Quote from: juniorsfarm

Again, I don't care for quite a bit of Macca's output, some of it has been awful, but its out there and so what?   I think I have made a very valid point, and that is simply that I respect Paul, I can't hold his recent output to any particular standard because it would be unfair, but he has every right to do what he wants.


You're saying you "respect" Paul by not holding his artistic work to "any particular standard"?  Of course he has the right do what he wants.  That's the nub of your red herring argument.  No one denies him that.  You just don't want anyone to say anything critical of him, because he's a poor superannuated 63-year-old incapable of artistic rebirth.

Quote from: juniorsfarm

Second, I didn't call you any names, calling a post pompous would be an adjective, wouldn't it?


Your language has been obscene and threatening, your tone (up to now) malicious.  ("rats a**" "f**ing" etc.)  

Quote from: juniorsfarm

You said he is going through a re-birth of sorts. Who are you to say what he thinks or what he's doing?. Maybe its just another album. Is this a rebirth? No. Its a 63 year old man taking stock, and sometimes a rose is just a rose.


Wow, with friends like this McCartney hardly needs enemies.  Can you see the irony of telling me "And who are you to say . . ."--when you turn arond a couple sentences later and make the same kind of "pompous" pronouncement that you accuse me of (only your's is negative regarding his new album, while mine is positive).

Quote from: juniorsfarm

Most artists, or people in general, when they hit the Autumn of their years, do some reflecting, its only natural, and his medium just happens to be music. Let the man create and let's be grateful we still have him around.


Let's keep the bar low enough for that 63-year-old to hobble over.

Quote from: juniorsfarm

You're crumbling.


You're the one who's crumbling, your post is a nest of contradictions, chest-thumping and inanity.  

Quote from: juniorsfarm
If you're that thin-skinned then maybe its my posts you should block.

That's one thing I can agree with.  Consider it done.  

Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: on August 03, 2005, 02:23:28 AM
Well folks, thank God that's over. Zero is as clueless as the day is long, but at least his name is appropos. And for the record, I don't thing Macca is above criticism. Far from it. Good Lord, the 'Liverpool Sound Collage' is just an audio train wreck. At least Zero provides a different take than usual--that of pseudo-intellectual snob. Talks alot, tries to use a few big words to impress, and expresses nothing except ignorance. Once again proving that I am the Weirdness Magnet.  Amen.
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: pc31 on August 03, 2005, 02:33:05 AM
different strokes for different folks........
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: andersonCouncill on August 03, 2005, 07:41:55 AM
Thanks alot pc... Now you got me thinking of that damned show! I'll be hearing that theme song all day tomorrow when I'm trying to listen to my newly bought copy of The Whte Album!
Title: Re: Rubbish!
Post by: The End on August 03, 2005, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: Paulsluv
Here's the link.

[url]http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds23072.html[/url]

Hope this helps.


The complete interview is printed in Q Magazine.