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I made a list of the eight greatest 1960's bands. They're not ordered according to my favorite groups per se, but I took into account several factors like impact, popularity and productivity. Of course, the unavoidable subjective factor is still there.
Note: I only considered the bands that essentially belong to the decade, as some highly important bands like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd started their career during the 60's but they are essentially related to the 70's.
1. The Beatles. No need to talk about the importance of the Fab Four, especially in a forum like this. I don't like when some fans talk about the Beatles as if they were the only innovative musical force of the 60's, but they were certainly the most important part of the musical revolution.
2. The Rolling Stones. They never were very innovative, and during 1966-67 they basically copied what the Beatles were doing. But they certainly distilled a lot of talent, and in terms of popularity they were second only to JPG&R. The Stones were also a very productive band, with lots of classics songs to be remembered.
3. The Who. They're actually my second favorite band, since I consider them as a more talented act than the Stones; but their popularity and productivity were considerably lower. Pete & friends were highly innovative and diverse, bringing the loudest sounds of their time.
4. The Byrds. Not the band you're looking for if you just want loud Rock 'N' Roll, but like them or not, their impact in rock music is unquestionable. If they didn't invent folk rock, at least they made it popular, and they were also pioneers of as opposed genres as psychedelia and country rock.
5. The Kinks. Not as remembered as British counterparts the Beatles, the Stones and the Who, but they did record some of the best music of the decade. They started recording several important singles and then they released an amazing string of classic albums from 1966 to 1971.
6. The Beach Boys. Certainly the major Beatles competition during the first years, and one of the main forces of the fundamental mid-60's. They never were the same when they lost the best Brian Wilson, but only some selected bands can get such a huge cult following.
7. The Doors. Hardly any other band constructed their big image on one outstanding figure the way the Doors did with Jim Morrison. The other members were capable but never instrumental virtuosos, and Jim himself was far from being the best singer. But all their albums with the whole band are very enjoyable and they managed to build an unique mystic.
8. Jefferson Airplane. They had what the Doors lacked: instrumental virtuosity and good singers; and their sound was as obscure and intriguing. But they never got such an strong figure to lead them to the top. Nevertheless, they're an essential 60's act and the major face of the San Francisco sound.
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My top five 60's bands/artists: The Beach Boys, The Who, The Beatles, The Kinks and Bob Dylan.
I'll write more about them when I got some ideas.
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The Who
Oh man, the 'orrible 'Oo, the worst rock & roll group in the world. Joking aside, nobody ever came closer to creating such a perfect, often complementary balance between hard and soft. When the Who rock, they blow you away, atomic-bomb style. Likewise, when you get past the surface, you'll find that their songs carry so much emotion and sensibility that it's hard to believe the same jackass who smashes his guitar full-rage every night writes them. Incredible combination of personalities. Moon's drumming is as wild, reckless and exuberant as was his lifestyle. I didn't know the bass existed as an instrument before listening to Entwistle. Daltrey cemented the notion of what a front-man should be an do within a band, period. Townshend is God.
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The Kinks
The key to their music lies in its accessibility, both on a musical and lyrical level. Ray takes the most common subject matters and feelings, and gives them a poetic, picturesque spin like no other song-writer ever could. In the same line of thinking, Peter Buck talks in Rolling Stone about how he visited Muswell Hill expecting a gorgeous, romantic landscape as described in Village Green Preservation Society, but instead found a grimy one. The secret is not to go and seek for the places/feelings/characters Ray's singing about, but instead to associate them with your own world, with your own way of living, regardless of the time and place. That's why their music is and will always be timeless. On a melodic level, everything that came out of Ray's pen up until and including 1972 is catchy. The fact that they started to suck so badly in the mid 70's and continued to do so for a good couple of years shows that they were human.
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The key to their music lies in its accessibility, both on a musical and lyrical level. Ray takes the most common subject matters and feelings, and gives them a poetic, picturesque spin like no other song-writer ever could. In the same line of thinking, Peter Buck talks in Rolling Stone about how he visited Muswell Hill expecting a gorgeous, romantic landscape as described in Village Green Preservation Society, but instead found a grimy one. The secret is not to go and seek for the places/feelings/characters Ray's singing about, but instead to associate them with your own world, with your own way of living, regardless of the time and place. That's why their music is and will always be timeless. On a melodic level, everything that came out of Ray's pen up until and including 1972 is catchy. The fact that they started to suck so badly in the mid 70's and continued to do so for a good couple of years shows that they were human.
Similarly Waterloo Sunset, which is a gorgeous song, celebrates what was then a grotty rundown train station. Ray Davies was one of the best lyricists of the 60s.
He can still pull stuff out too. I love the song The Real World from Working Man's Cafe in the mid noughties. Good words and lovely melody
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Oh man, the 'orrible 'Oo, the worst rock & roll group in the world. Joking aside, nobody ever came closer to creating such a perfect, often complementary balance between hard and soft. When the Who rock, they blow you away, atomic-bomb style. Likewise, when you get past the surface, you'll find that their songs carry so much emotion and sensibility that it's hard to believe the same jackass who smashes his guitar full-rage every night writes them. Incredible combination of personalities. Moon's drumming is as wild, reckless and exuberant as was his lifestyle. I didn't know the bass existed as an instrument before listening to Entwistle. Daltrey cemented the notion of what a front-man should be an do within a band, period. Townshend is God.
The Who always struck me very much as a band apart from the mainstream. They eschewed all the peace and hippy bead stuff of the late 60s. And, I might be wrong, but while members of bands like the Stones and Beatles, Dylan etc used to hang out and jam and appear on each others recordings, I can't recall the Who members doing that as much. Might be just that I never noticed of course. I'm sure I'll be set straight if so. They always had a unique sound and their best was as good as anyone in the 60s/early70s got.
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I made a list of the eight greatest 1960's bands. They're not ordered according to my favorite groups per se, but I took into account several factors like impact, popularity and productivity. Of course, the unavoidable subjective factor is still there.
Note: I only considered the bands that essentially belong to the decade, as some highly important bands like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd started their career during the 60's but they are essentially related to the 70's.
1. The Beatles. No need to talk about the importance of the Fab Four, especially in a forum like this. I don't like when some fans talk about the Beatles as if they were the only innovative musical force of the 60's, but they were certainly the most important part of the musical revolution.
2. The Rolling Stones. They never were very innovative, and during 1966-67 they basically copied what the Beatles were doing. But they certainly distilled a lot of talent, and in terms of popularity they were second only to JPG&R. The Stones were also a very productive band, with lots of classics songs to be remembered.
3. The Who. They're actually my second favorite band, since I consider them as a more talented act than the Stones; but their popularity and productivity were considerably lower. Pete & friends were highly innovative and diverse, bringing the loudest sounds of their time.
4. The Byrds. Not the band you're looking for if you just want loud Rock 'N' Roll, but like them or not, their impact in rock music is unquestionable. If they didn't invent folk rock, at least they made it popular, and they were also pioneers of as opposed genres as psychedelia and country rock.
5. The Kinks. Not as remembered as British counterparts the Beatles, the Stones and the Who, but they did record some of the best music of the decade. They started recording several important singles and then they released an amazing string of classic albums from 1966 to 1971.
6. The Beach Boys. Certainly the major Beatles competition during the first years, and one of the main forces of the fundamental mid-60's. They never were the same when they lost the best Brian Wilson, but only some selected bands can get such a huge cult following.
7. The Doors. Hardly any other band constructed their big image on one outstanding figure the way the Doors did with Jim Morrison. The other members were capable but never instrumental virtuosos, and Jim himself was far from being the best singer. But all their albums with the whole band are very enjoyable and they managed to build an unique mystic.
8. Jefferson Airplane. They had what the Doors lacked: instrumental virtuosity and good singers; and their sound was as obscure and intriguing. But they never got such an strong figure to lead them to the top. Nevertheless, they're an essential 60's act and the major face of the San Francisco sound.
now just a cotton pickin minute Hombre !!
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Cream
The Hollies
Traffic
The Move
;)
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Not sure I would have Jefferson Airplane on my list (probably not the Byrds either). I would probably add Dylan, The Supremes, Zombies, CCR (although I hate them), or my persoanl favorite,,,the Buckinghams.
Just me though
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7. The Doors. Hardly any other band constructed their big image on one outstanding figure the way the Doors did with Jim Morrison. The other members were capable but never instrumental virtuosos, and Jim himself was far from being the best singer. But all their albums with the whole band are very enjoyable and they managed to build an unique mystic.
Robby Krieger is a brilliant guitarist. He was trained in jazz and flamenco guitar and brought rock guitar to new and unique levels while with The Doors. The Doors was a club band with just one guitar, keyboards and drums. Robby Krieger played rhythm and lead guitar during their performances.
Ray Manzarek was an accomplished pianist and keyboardist. As The Doors lacked a bass guitar, he played the bass parts on a separate keyboard.
I consider both of them virtuosos on the instruments they played.
John Densmore is a pianist turned drummer. He backed The Doors very well with fine, interpretive drumming.
There was a lot of improvisation in The Doors' live performances. These musicians played as a single unit and sounded great doing it!
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now just a cotton pickin minute Hombre !!
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Cream
The Hollies
Traffic
The Move
;)
All worthy additions but I have to confess a particular soft spot for The Move.
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Not sure I would have Jefferson Airplane on my list (probably not the Byrds either). I would probably add Dylan, The Supremes, Zombies, CCR (although I hate them), or my persoanl favorite,,,the Buckinghams.
Just me though
ha2ha
Here, Todd, maybe this'll make you like CCR more...
Apocalypse Now : Suzie Q - Carmine Coppola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqkIYm3Hg9A#ws)
That wasn't CCR, but who cares?! ;D
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...or my persoanl favorite,,,the Buckinghams.
Here's my favorite of theirs...
Susan
THE BUCKINGHAMS susan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTrwXbRIjc#ws)
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Here's my favorite of theirs...
Susan
THE BUCKINGHAMS susan ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTrwXbRIjc#ws[/url])
Gotta love a song where they can rhyme Susan with "loosin'" and "confusin'" all in the first verse.
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I also have to add The Band which, even though I got into just in the last month or so, unquestionably belong in the list of great 60's bands. In fact, didn't Clapton and George Harrison enjoy the Music From Big Pink album so much that they actually asked to join the group in '68? I believe that's what I read.
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Not sure I would have Jefferson Airplane on my list (probably not the Byrds either). I would probably add Dylan, The Supremes, Zombies, CCR (although I hate them), or my persoanl favorite,,,the Buckinghams.
Just me though
Great call tk, The Supremes were amazing. What a run did they have - great single after great single.
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I would add The Zombies and CCR (I love them!)
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now just a cotton pickin minute Hombre !!
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Cream
The Hollies
Traffic
The Move
;)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience (as a band) and Cream were highly important but short-lived to be considered.
Traffic was an amazing talented band, I especially love their first two albums, but their output during the 60's was also short.
I like the Hollies and they were especially huge in UK, but I would never consider them among the top 60's bands.
And I must admit that I know very little about the Move; I must do a research.
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Not sure I would have Jefferson Airplane on my list (probably not the Byrds either). I would probably add Dylan, The Supremes, Zombies, CCR (although I hate them), or my persoanl favorite,,,the Buckinghams.
Just me though
I admit that the inclusion of Jefferson Airplane may belong to my subjetive finger, but when I talk about the 60's I feel forced to mention the San Francisco scene. Actually I would have put them a little higher, but I restrained myself and I put them in the last spot of the list.
Now the Byrds is the whole different history, put them higher or lower, but I would discuss to death that they should be mentioned among the greatest 60's bands, beyond personal tastes. I don't like Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd, but I would never question their importance in the 70's.
About Dylan, he's up there with the Beatles in terms of impact and importance, of course, but my list only included bands. I may put the Supremes in a different category, but it's fair to mention them. And you know how much I love the Zombies, I think they had everything a band needs to be huge, but for different reasons they couldn't trascend; they would have been there if I had done a list of favorites.
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Robby Krieger is a brilliant guitarist. He was trained in jazz and flamenco guitar and brought rock guitar to new and unique levels while with The Doors. The Doors was a club band with just one guitar, keyboards and drums. Robby Krieger played rhythm and lead guitar during their performances.
Ray Manzarek was an accomplished pianist and keyboardist. As The Doors lacked a bass guitar, he played the bass parts on a separate keyboard.
I consider both of them virtuosos on the instruments they played.
John Densmore is a pianist turned drummer. He backed The Doors very well with fine, interpretive drumming.
There was a lot of improvisation in The Doors' live performances. These musicians played as a single unit and sounded great doing it!
When I say that the Doors were capable with their instruments, I really mean it, they certainly knew very well how to play them. But I don't know what you mean when you use the word "virtuoso"; to me, virtuoso is Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, not to mention Jimi Hendrix (could Robby Krieger have competed with them?). I enjoy Ray Manzarek and he was a basic ingredient in the Doors' sound, but he usually reminds me to an amateur circus keyboardist; I prefer Rod Argent or Steve Winwood much more. And I like John Densmore but he wasn't much more than an average drummer.
About Manzarek playing bass lines with the keyboard, I understand that it was only in their debut album; on their next releases they used a session bassist.
But hey, I did put the Doors among the greatest 60's bands, so I certainly respect them very much.
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I also have to add The Band which, even though I got into just in the last month or so, unquestionably belong in the list of great 60's bands. In fact, didn't Clapton and George Harrison enjoy the Music From Big Pink album so much that they actually asked to join the group in '68? I believe that's what I read.
Yes, the Band also deserves a mention; their first three albums were very important. Maybe they started a bit too late (1968) to put them at the same level than other essential 60's groups.
Other 60's groups that for different reasons I didn't include in the list but I recognize as substancial are the Jimi Hendrix Experience, the Zombies, Love, the Yardbirds, Buffalo Springfield, Cream, Simon & Garfunkel, Traffic, Grateful Dead, Spirit and the Animals.
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The Jimi Hendrix Experience (as a band) and Cream were highly important but short-lived to be considered.
Jimi Hendrix's 3 albums are among the greatest ever recorded and he had some amazing singles as well. I don't know how many bands/artists can claim to that. I think Purple Haze alone influenced more than everything Jefferson Airplane ever put out. But I love the Airplane as well.
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Jimi Hendrix's 3 albums are among the greatest ever recorded and he had some amazing singles as well. I don't know how many bands/artists can claim to that. I think Purple Haze alone influenced more than everything Jefferson Airplane ever put out. But I love the Airplane as well.
It's hard not to agree with that, though "Purple Haze" and "Somebody To Love" were recorded around the same date and they both may be the first pure acid rock songs ever. Of course the impact of Jimi Hendrix was much bigger, but the San Francisco scene as a whole was a key event of the 60's, and I wanted to include at least one example from there. Just let my subjective opinion speak here.
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The Jimi Hendrix Experience (as a band) and Cream were highly important but short-lived to be considered.
And I must admit that I know very little about the Move; I must do a research.
The Move are particularly interesting as they spawned ELO who, I think it's safe to say, we're the last progressive rock band to gain huge worldwide chart success and celebrity. Although admittedly they did this by moving toward pop/rock with string/symphonic underpinnings rather than as heavy prog rockers.
But in terms of chart success it does appear the symphonic/prog rock thing ended up being a bit of a cul de sac. Notwithstanding that there are still lots of these bands around garnering cult followings.
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Jimi Hendrix's 3 albums are among the greatest ever recorded and he had some amazing singles as well. I don't know how many bands/artists can claim to that. I think Purple Haze alone influenced more than everything Jefferson Airplane ever put out. But I love the Airplane as well.
It's hard to not put Hendrix on the list. So influential. And with great songs and albums.
Am I the only one though who sometimes sees film of Hendrix's concerts and thinks... Hmmm rather self indulgent musically speaking?
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It's hard to not put Hendrix on the list. So influential. And with great songs and albums.
Am I the only one though who sometimes sees film of Hendrix's concerts and thinks... Hmmm rather self indulgent musically speaking?
It was a time of 10 minute solo's (think of Cream)
But Hendrix & Cream go on my top 8 list of the 60's, massive influence both of them
I understand Hombre's list and his reasoning, I just disagree :)
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It was a time of 10 minute solo's (think of Cream)
Cream were big on those. Given a choice I'd probably have taken a Clapton extended solo over Jimmy's. I liked his interplay with Jack Bruce. Although it's hard to tell on video, Jimmy's with the Experience come across as more noise generating, aural assault but the effect could well have been different live.
I think the one I saw of Hendrix which underlined it was when he said to the audience you can leave if you want. We're just jamming. Or words to that effect. But hey, most of the audience probably loved it.
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I absolutely love the one he did at Woodstock, Ive watched it sober, drunk & stoned and its always great ;)
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When I say that the Doors were capable with their instruments, I really mean it, they certainly knew very well how to play them. But I don't know what you mean when you use the word "virtuoso"; to me, virtuoso is Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, not to mention Jimi Hendrix (could Robby Krieger have competed with them?). I enjoy Ray Manzarek and he was a basic ingredient in the Doors' sound, but he usually reminds me to an amateur circus keyboardist; I prefer Rod Argent or Steve Winwood much more. And I like John Densmore but he wasn't much more than an average drummer.
I prefer to consider the talent of an artist based on their own merits and not by comparison to others.
About Manzarek playing bass lines with the keyboard, I understand that it was only in their debut album; on their next releases they used a session bassist.
I was specifically referring to their live club performances.
But hey, I did put the Doors among the greatest 60's bands, so I certainly respect them very much.
This is why I don't particularly care for lists. They don't tend to be very objective.
But you did preface your list by saying "Of course, the unavoidable subjective factor is still there."
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The Move are particularly interesting as they spawned ELO who, I think it's safe to say, we're the last progressive rock band to gain huge worldwide chart success and celebrity. Although admittedly they did this by moving toward pop/rock with string/symphonic underpinnings rather than as heavy prog rockers.
But in terms of chart success it does appear the symphonic/prog rock thing ended up being a bit of a cul de sac. Notwithstanding that there are still lots of these bands around garnering cult followings.
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Surely I'll be interested in the beginnings of the Move. Thanks for the brief review.
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But Hendrix & Cream go on my top 8 list of the 60's, massive influence both of them
I understand Hombre's list and his reasoning, I just disagree :)
I still recognize the huge merits of both groups and they're among my favorite artists too. But it's fine to disagree. :)
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I prefer to consider the talent of an artist based on their own merits and not by comparison to others.
I just reserve the word "virtuoso" to some few special musicians. Just a semantics issue.
I was specifically referring to their live club performances.
Ok.
This is why I don't particularly care for lists. They don't tend to be very objective.
But you did preface your list by saying "Of course, the unavoidable subjective factor is still there."
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Of course lists are subjective, even when one tries to be objective. But I think it's fun to discuss them.
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I just reserve the word "virtuoso" to some few special musicians. Just a semantics issue.
Andrés, I reserve the term "prodigy" for those few special musicians with exceptional and rare talent. Yes it's just a matter of semantics.
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Andrés, I reserve the term "prodigy" for those few special musicians with exceptional and rare talent. Yes it's just a matter of semantics.
Every prodigy is a virtuoso but not every virtuoso is a prodigy?
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Every prodigy is a virtuoso but not every virtuoso is a prodigy?
Isn't prodigy reserved more for those who display unusual talent at a young age? And while most might go on to become virtuosos, I'm reminded of something a classical musician said, that the rank and file sections of orchestras all around the world are full of former child prodigies.
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Actually the fact we call them child prodigies does suggest that you can be a non child prodigy. Perhaps more that they demonstrate unusual talent when first learning.