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Title: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: nimrod on May 23, 2011, 12:04:05 PM
on a Beatle song ?

Im going for Rain (but Im no expert)  ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 23, 2011, 12:33:51 PM
I Feel Fine. I've said it a million times, but i've yet to see anybody ever play it correctly. He adds these trills to the toms and ride cymbal off and on throughout the song thats just brutal. Without adding those, anybody can play it, but it wont be right. Its the little things.

She Said She Said is a rough one too.

Rain gets more credit than it deserves in my opinion. Ringo said it was his best song, so everybody tends to agree with him without truly looking at why. It was one of the first Beatle songs that I ever learned properly and nots hard at all.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: AppleScruffy96 on May 23, 2011, 01:19:26 PM
I'm no expert either but I've always loved She Said She Said, Rain and I Feel Fine as well. I tend to listen to the drumming a bit more on those songs.  ;yes
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 24, 2011, 01:10:55 PM
I Feel Fine. I've said it a million times, but i've yet to see anybody ever play it correctly. He adds these trills to the toms and ride cymbal off and on throughout the song thats just brutal. Without adding those, anybody can play it, but it wont be right. Its the little things.

She Said She Said is a rough one too.

Rain gets more credit than it deserves in my opinion. Ringo said it was his best song, so everybody tends to agree with him without truly looking at why. It was one of the first Beatle songs that I ever learned properly and nots hard at all.
rain was recorded a lot quicker than it's release though,the drumming track was slowed down,this is why ringo likes it so much probably.i agree with 'i feel fine' and 'she said,she said'.i would also add 'old brown shoe',and 'act naturally'.there are more.....
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on May 24, 2011, 03:05:57 PM
Im going for Rain


I agree.  And he played the entire piece...in his mind.


The Beatles Rain (2009 Stereo Remaster) (Original Promotional Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjDMZiuhbQ#ws)

Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: In My Life on May 24, 2011, 06:50:50 PM
^^^
Niar
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 25, 2011, 12:28:51 AM
rain was recorded a lot quicker than it's release though,the drumming track was slowed down,this is why ringo likes it so much probably.i agree with 'i feel fine' and 'she said,she said'.i would also add 'old brown shoe',and 'act naturally'.there are more.....

'Act Naturally' for sure. Damn song beats me down everytime. 'Old Brown Shoe' isnt bad. The only tuff part for me is the '1E&2E&3E&4E&' before the break and after where he plays it on the snare and hats at the same time. (Each hand does the same thing basically). Sometimes it gets loose on me during that part.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 25, 2011, 07:51:06 AM
there is also 'help!' which is a hard one to replicate,ringo plays it so smoothly.the matched rolls in 'i want to hold your hand' and one that seldom gets a mention is 'tell me why' which is a real gem.'get back' is a tuffee to play as smooth as ringo.the man was so on the money.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 25, 2011, 08:18:22 AM
'Tell Me Why' is an easy and fun one to play, but I hate the song. 'Cant Buy Me Love' has a rough shuffle in it also.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: nimrod on May 25, 2011, 11:14:11 AM
thanks for the insights tkitna, Ive never chatted to a drummer before about Ringo, the only time I mentioned him to a drummer we had in our band once he said, 'you must understand, Ringo Starr cannot play drums' I changed the subject  ha2ha

maybe we should all do a youtube of ourselves playing a Beatle track  :D
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: peterbell1 on May 25, 2011, 12:50:17 PM
I've always thought A Day In The Life has some cool drumming in it. Not particularly difficult to do, but I bet it's totally unlike what any other drummer would have done on that song.

I love the clips of the Beatles in the Beatlemania years when you see Ringo bashing away so hard that the kit is shaking about all over the place! He must have been having to hit the drums really hard to try to get himself heard above the racket from the crowd!
I think it was having a great solid drummer like that behind them that allowed the other three to shine a bit more.

Also, he always did stuff that was appropriate for the songs, never trying to be too flashy.

And he was adaptable - happy to try out different percussion if drums weren't needed on a song or add in something different like the Latin rhythm in I Feel Fine.

He wasn't/isn't the world's greatest drummer by any stretch of the imagination, but he was perfect for the Beatles.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 25, 2011, 01:00:13 PM
'Tell Me Why' is an easy and fun one to play, but I hate the song. 'Cant Buy Me Love' has a rough shuffle in it also.
can you do the matched roll todd at the '...i'm so in love with you' part?i think this is ringos' most intricate and difficult fill.if you can match that you are a seriously tasty player.same as the part in 'ticket to ride' that sounds like a machine gun a couple of bars before the middle 8.same as the fill in 'help!'...i've opened up the doors'.ringo plays the fill in'tell me why' so much quicker and so,so smooth it is scary for a drummer to listen to.how anybody can put ringo starrs' playing down is beyond me.it's normally the people who have never held a pair of sticks.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 25, 2011, 09:46:56 PM
can you do the matched roll todd at the '...i'm so in love with you' part?i think this is ringos' most intricate and difficult fill.

I think I can, but to be honest its been so long since i've played it, I better try it again before I make a fool out of myself. I dont ever remember ever having too much trouble with it, but maybe i'm not doing it right. I seriously will check it out, but I have tons of church music to practice for the next few days. I'll have to get back to you.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Gary910 on May 25, 2011, 10:46:13 PM
I so agree with you Todd, I have always felt the drumming in 'I Feel Fine' is awesome.

I like the fills in 'Boys' as well. Not complicated, per se, but just good rock 'n' roll.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: nimrod on May 26, 2011, 01:02:04 PM
a drummer I always thought was great was Jon Hiseman (John Mayall, Colloseum & Tempest)

here they are doing Paperback Writer

PAPERBACK WRITER / Tempest (Audio) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l43qC8yD8Pw#noexternalembed)


and Jon doing a bit of a solo..



Jon Hiseman at Planet Drum 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk7t2auZ8Go#)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 26, 2011, 07:00:04 PM
I so agree with you Todd, I have always felt the drumming in 'I Feel Fine' is awesome.

I like the fills in 'Boys' as well. Not complicated, per se, but just good rock 'n' roll.

I like 'Boys' too. Fun song.

As for 'I Feel Fine', I thought I was hung up on the song for the longest time and maybe I was making more out of it than there really was until my buddy asked me what tunes from the Beatles his band should play (studly band too with awesome musicians) and I mentioned it. He said no because every drummer he's played with said they couldnt play it right (I know these drummers too and they are really awesome drummers). I just put my arms down and said thank you. I always thought it was me.

Am I right or wrong when I thinking that the middle part of 'The Night Before' is the same beat as 'I Feel Fine'? I think Ringo had that beat down and used it there or vice versa.

Well, practice was cancelled so i'm going to give 'Tell Me Why' a shot and see what happens.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Gary910 on May 26, 2011, 07:32:28 PM
I think Rolo Sandoval of 'The Fab Four' plays it correctly. What do you think Todd? (Uh oh, I hope I don't sound like someone else.)

The Fab Four "I Feel Fine" @ The Grove of Anaheim 12-31-09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JSunVpKYrs#)

The Fab Four - I Feel Fine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYSIE6pNf5c#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: nimrod on May 26, 2011, 11:18:25 PM
wow that guy doing Paul has it spot on, leftie as well  :o
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 28, 2011, 12:52:06 AM
Darn Gary, I need to listen to that at home. The soundcard here at work stinks. Will definately do so tomorrow and get back to you.

Played 'Tell Me Why' yesterday and didnt have too much trouble. I dont know. It just doesnt seem too bad to me. The shuffle gave me the most trouble (and its an easy one) because I had a left hand full of suck for some reason (I play open handed). I think i've been playing too much worship music and using the KISS concept (keep it simple stupid). I need to start playing to albums again. Its been awhile.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 28, 2011, 08:55:04 AM
Darn Gary, I need to listen to that at home. The soundcard here at work stinks. Will definately do so tomorrow and get back to you.

Played 'Tell Me Why' yesterday and didnt have too much trouble. I dont know. It just doesnt seem too bad to me. The shuffle gave me the most trouble (and its an easy one) because I had a left hand full of suck for some reason (I play open handed). I think i've been playing too much worship music and using the KISS concept (keep it simple stupid). I need to start playing to albums again. Its been awhile.
ah,perhaps it's me that has the trouble with the big fill.to be played properly it is a real monster.the shuffle isn't hard,i'll give you that one.just the fill,left and right hand perfectly matched,left on snare,right on tom,2 bars of dah-dah-dah-dah-man,that is a killer.at the tempo that ringo plays it,i cannot play it.period. :'(
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 28, 2011, 10:36:42 AM
Have you ever played Paperback Writer GO? I love the fills on that song and how Ringo ends them on the rim on purpose. Brilliant.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 29, 2011, 05:35:40 AM
I think Rolo Sandoval of 'The Fab Four' plays it correctly. What do you think Todd? (Uh oh, I hope I don't sound like someone else.)

The Fab Four "I Feel Fine" @ The Grove of Anaheim 12-31-09 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JSunVpKYrs#[/url])

The Fab Four - I Feel Fine ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYSIE6pNf5c#noexternalembed[/url])


Gary, this guy is about as close as i've seen, but theres still a few instances where he isnt right. Coming back in from the chorus, he doesnt do anything where Ringo adds tom trills. Just small stuff like that is what I mean. That drummer there plays it awesome though.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 29, 2011, 12:07:34 PM
Have you ever played Paperback Writer GO? I love the fills on that song and how Ringo ends them on the rim on purpose. Brilliant.
great drum sound on paperback writer,too.i do play a couple of beatle tunes in the band,but they are not that faithful to the originals,i don't try that hard to be like ringo.one of the songs is actually 'i feel fine' and my drumming on that is laughable,but the other boys don't seem to notice so i get away with it quite lightly.ringo did tend to play quite close to the rim on occasions,right at the end of nowhere man he rims the snare,i always play that way.get a nice metallic 'ring' on the snare.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 30, 2011, 12:30:32 AM
great drum sound on paperback writer,too.i do play a couple of beatle tunes in the band,but they are not that faithful to the originals,i don't try that hard to be like ringo.

Understood and i'm the same way. My son is always saying that I didnt play something right. I say I know, but I played it like I would play it. He says, but its not like so and so plays it. I'm not so and so.

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.ringo did tend to play quite close to the rim on occasions,right at the end of nowhere man he rims the snare,i always play that way.get a nice metallic 'ring' on the snare.

Yeah, rimshots on the snare is cool and how I play a good bit of the time too, but with Paperback Writer, he ends the fills from the tom to the snare. Its pretty unique and something i've never heard anybody else do.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 30, 2011, 08:49:24 AM
with you playing in a church band todd,i would imagine that your drumming has to be somewhat quiet?there really isn't a lot of bands of that kind here in england,so i'm not quite sure of what the playing would be like....?do you have a 'rock' gig as well,or is all of your live work in the church?if you can check out one of my bands.i am not too good on a p.c so i cannot give you a direct link,but the web address is www.motowngoldrush.com (http://www.motowngoldrush.com)    
there is a montage on there where you can have a look at what we do,if you like.the kit i'm using is a 1969 beverley,with a 1978 premier 35 snare drum.(apologies to all who are reading this who do not play drums;we drummers enjoy a bit of data like that).
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 30, 2011, 10:45:59 AM
I'm leaving work right now GO, but I definetly want to check out the site. I'll get back to you.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 30, 2011, 06:43:44 PM
You guys sound great GO. Nice and clean. Wish I could hear more. Love the pic of you with your green sparkle snare. I also seriously dig that you kept the Bradley name on the bass reso head. Sweet. How do you like the Bradley kit. I've never played on one nor have seen one up close. I've only heard of them.

Church is my only live stuff that i'm doing right now. I havent done a gig for about 15 years ago when I was in college. Kids came and I kind of gave up on the drumming for awhile. My kit is only a Pearl Export in fusion sizes. My main snare is a 67' Ludwig Acrolite keystone badge that is wonderful as the workhorse. Really nice sounding for a $150 drum. I bought a custom GMS snare too that is just out of this world. My son usually plays it on his kit. I have a few cheaper snares too that we do some practice stuff on.

As for the church gig, we are in the process of building a new sanctuary as we've outgrown the older one, so we play downstairs in a huge gym that holds about 300 people. The kit is a cheap Pacific with cheap Zildjian ZBT cymbals. All the hardware is stripped from the kids playing around with it. Seriously, its brutal, but its better than lugging my kit around. The kit isnt mic'd either so the sound isnt the best as you can imagine. The good news is that their going to buy an electric drum kit when the new sanctuary is built. Should be interesting.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 30, 2011, 07:11:42 PM
brilliant stuff todd!!lovely to hear from you.thanks so much for the nice words about the band.the green sparkle snare is a premier modern classic,it plays ok.i don't use it too often.i also have a 14x6.5 ludwig in black oyster(i have the ringo re-issue kit),i usually use that with the beverley.beverley kits were an english brand built throughout the 60s' and 70s'.mine is a 1969,it's been re-covered but it plays lovely.it suits the motown/soul gig.
as you know,todd.when drumming is inside you you'll never get rid of it.it's so good that you still turn your hand to the church gig.and it's great that your boy has taken up drumming too.my 3yr old daughter saw me playing on the dvd player the other day...."look!daddy playing the drums!!"perhaps she'll play one day,too.
i make a poor living playing drums,but there is nothing else i'd rather do.i'm no ringo,or steve gadd,or whoever,but my small amount of knowhow pays the mortgage so i'm happy as you like.the motown goldrush thing will hopefully take off for next year with weddings etc. so that is something to work towards.
more to follow tkitna!!keep sticking!!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: nimrod on May 31, 2011, 10:00:49 AM
hey nice site GO, you guys sound great too mate  ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 31, 2011, 12:33:14 PM
hey nice site GO, you guys sound great too mate  ;)
cheers nimrod!!very nice of you to say.let me add......available for functions,weddings,parties etc,will travel!!!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: nimrod on May 31, 2011, 12:54:49 PM
cheers nimrod!!very nice of you to say.let me add......available for functions,weddings,parties etc,will travel!!!

its a long way to oz mate  ;D
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: In My Life on May 31, 2011, 04:49:05 PM
Very cool G.O.! Just in case anyone has trouble getting to the site, like I did yesterday, it's on YouTube too.

Motown Goldrush Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrpTT7vGQh8#)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 31, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
thank you too,in my life.
its a long way to oz mate  ;D
yeah,suppose it is a bit of a journey from nottingham,england.oh well.......at least you can now see the interior of two lovely public houses over here in britain mate!!thanks so much for your kind words. ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on May 31, 2011, 08:37:56 PM
i also have a 14x6.5 ludwig in black oyster(i have the ringo re-issue kit),i usually use that with the beverley.

Is that the jazz special or whatever he used or did they just reissue a copy later on? Bet it sounds nice.

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beverley kits were an english brand built throughout the 60s' and 70s'.mine is a 1969,it's been re-covered but it plays lovely.it suits the motown/soul gig.

Thats neat. For some reason I thought they were a later kit until I remembered I was thinking of a Bradley.

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it's so good that you still turn your hand to the church gig.

It gives it a meaning to me. I enjoy doing it.

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and it's great that your boy has taken up drumming too.my 3yr old daughter saw me playing on the dvd player the other day...."look!daddy playing the drums!!"perhaps she'll play one day,too.

Like your daughter, he saw me doing it at a young age and took to it. He just tried out for the high school band and he got the snare part as a freshman next year. Thats unheard of around these parts. He's really good right now. He's playing things I cant do, but he's been taking lessons for a long time now. I hope he continues with it.

i make a poor living playing drums,but there is nothing else i'd rather do.i'm no ringo,or steve gadd,or whoever,but my small amount of knowhow pays the mortgage so i'm happy as you like.[/quote]

Thats awesome and I realize how tough it can be. Thankfully I dont have to depend on it or else my family would be in the cheese line with my skills.  ha2ha

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the motown goldrush thing will hopefully take off for next year with weddings etc. so that is something to work towards.
more to follow tkitna!!keep sticking!!

I enjoyed the hell out of it and I think you guys are really good. I have no doubt that you guys will do fine. Peace.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on May 31, 2011, 10:08:48 PM
lovely words todd,you are a gent.the ludwig 14x6.5 is a kind of copy of ringos' jazz festival,obviously ringos' was only 5" deep,but yeah mine does sound nice.i also have a ludwig 302 which is identical but steel,not wood.a cheap copy of a 402(made famous by bonham).i don't really have a favourite snare,i just use them as and when really.your acrolite sounds cool,that would be worth 3 times as much here in england.i tell you what,if your place that you play in church holds 300 people that is a big gig,make no mistake!!my biggest was to about 1500,but that was a one-off.mostly my work will be to maybe 80-100 people.
i hope your boy sticks at playing....most people who take up the drums do.it never leaves you.he sounds very good and promising,you must be proud and happy.i would love my girl to take up playing when she gets older.i keep telling her she'll go further than her dad,no problem.the church gig must give you lots of enjoyment and that is perfect.it's clear to me you have a love for playing.you also have a good nose for music and good players,it's never far from some of your quotes on these threads.you have a great understanding of ringos' stuff and i have a lot of time for that.nice one,man.
it means a lot to me that you have taken the time to actually listen to the songs(albeit only covers thesedays)and have replied so politely.thanks again todd.peace.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: chimac on August 28, 2011, 04:32:29 PM
Not sure if it's his best work technically, but Ringo's drumming on "Ticket To Ride" has always struck me as rather epic.  What a sound.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 28, 2011, 07:17:43 PM
How's it going everyone? I hope that the weekend went well for everyone despite knowing that many had a rough weekend with Hurricane Irene in the Northeast coast.

What was Ringo's Best Drumming? In my opinion, it was songs such as "I Saw Her Standing There," "I'm Happy Just To Dance With You," "Ticket To Ride," "Revolution," "Paperback Writer" "Birthday," "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me and My Monkey," "Helter Skelter," "Hey Bulldog" and "It's All Too Much" just to name a few. Ringo said it best at the end of "Helter Skelter:" I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS! Take care.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on August 29, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
My favourite Ringo's drumming is on "Strawberry Fields Forever". I love listening only to the left channel of that track just to hear those great drums!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: chimac on August 30, 2011, 03:25:24 PM
My favourite Ringo's drumming is on "Strawberry Fields Forever". I love listening only to the left channel of that track just to hear those great drums!

Good call, another great example.  The Anthology version where John says "all right, calm down, Ringo..." towards the end is my favorite version.  Guys like Neil Peart and Keith Moon wouldn't be "challenged" by Ringo's drumming, but is that the point of drumming?  When it comes to serving the song and simply making you want to move, I can think of few better than Ringo.

Another thought:  "Sgt. Pepper Reprise".  How many urban / rap artists has this beat influenced?  Sounds modern still today, to my ears.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on September 03, 2011, 11:13:33 AM
Good call, another great example.  The Anthology version where John says "all right, calm down, Ringo..." towards the end is my favorite version.  Guys like Neil Peart and Keith Moon wouldn't be "challenged" by Ringo's drumming, but is that the point of drumming?  When it comes to serving the song and simply making you want to move, I can think of few better than Ringo.

Another thought:  "Sgt. Pepper Reprise".  How many urban / rap artists has this beat influenced?  Sounds modern still today, to my ears.
yeah,nicely put.i admire ringo on so many levels drums-wise,he was just as much an innovator as those guys mentioned.ringos' sound was a big thing,lots of people think he wasn't too good but you try and play like ringo.trust me,'it don't come easy'.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: stevie on September 08, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Slightly off topic here but I didn't want to start a new thread:

I was thinking about my other fave drummers like Moonie and Charlie Watts. How would Ringo have gonne being the Stones drummer for instance?
I know Charlie had a jazz background but he put in some mighty performances, not just live. Gimme Shelter and Riocks Off are two of his best IMO.
Moonie was, well, we all know, just so out of this world but he could only have been successful playing the Who's brand of music.

I had planned to go on and on but just wanted to know what the drummers here onsite think about it. I love reading the discussions you guys have about playing the different Beatle songs and the techie stuff!!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on September 13, 2011, 07:59:44 PM
alright stevie!well,in my opinion i think ringo could quite easily have fitted into the stones' style of music ok,it would bring in a different feel to charlie watts,but i don't think ringo would struggle with the stones.the who on the other hand were just a freak kind of band with a very freak drummer.all drummers have their own unique feel and style;some good,some fair,some not so good.moonie was a one-off.nobody has come close to replicating keiths' drumming.now some players don't get on with moonies' style,and fair play.however,he cannot be denied,and he was one of the best rock drummers ever to grace the stage.jeff beck said of keith '..his style was just like pushing a drum kit down a flight of stairs' and i think that's quite accurate!!kenney jones is a great player but was plain wrong for the who,and i think ringo would be just as-if not more-out of place in the who.it is no detriment to ringo (or kenney)to say that....a bit like replacing john lennon with jeff lynne.a great singer/songwriter,but not the right guy.moonie was incredible.check out the who at the isle of wight festival,1970.just incredible drumming by anybodys' standards.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on October 05, 2011, 02:13:43 AM
From Ringo's solo career, I love "Back Off Boogaloo". I love to listen to that song just hear his drumming. It reminds me to Keith Moon's famous "lead drumming".

Ringo Starr: Back Off Boogaloo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWlzmhxh9G4#)

The Who - Happy Jack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52cQeFBU2Kw#)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Mairi on October 12, 2011, 10:45:46 PM
I don't really know anything about drumming, but I love what he does in Rain. Does he also play drums in The End? For some reason I think that wasn't him. But I love the drums in that song. So simple but so good.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on October 13, 2011, 02:04:51 PM
Does he also play drums in The End? For some reason I think that wasn't him. But I love the drums in that song. So simple but so good.

Yeah, that was him. What makes you think it wasnt Mairi? The style or did you read something? I'm just curious because I never read anything before that said it might not be him.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Mairi on October 13, 2011, 04:33:33 PM
There's something about it that's a bit different from what he usually plays, though I don't know how to describe it. I dunno but I love the solo, can't help but air-drumming when it comes along.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Brynjar on October 14, 2011, 06:26:52 AM
I´ve always liked his drumming on She Said She Said.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: KeepUnderCover on October 15, 2011, 08:28:15 PM
Definitely "Helter Skelter." That drumming is absolutely fantastic!

I also like his drumming on his solo album Vertical Man.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on October 15, 2011, 11:35:36 PM
I also like his drumming on his solo album Vertical Man.

Yeah, if we're going solo stuff, his drumming on Ringo Rama is incredible.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Ollier on October 18, 2011, 12:54:20 AM
She Said She Said...

He plays a killer on What Is Life. I think thats him on that...
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 07, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
Welcome to the Forum, MountainMonster.  I hope you joined to do more than just promote the sale of a drum kit.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 07, 2012, 10:30:32 PM
Uh-oh!  I'm starting to sound like Bobber.      ha2ha
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: nimrod on January 08, 2012, 11:49:58 AM
Uh-oh!  I'm starting to sound like Bobber.      ha2ha

 :-X
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Bobber on January 09, 2012, 08:32:29 AM
Uh-oh!  I'm starting to sound like Bobber.      ha2ha

No you're not. I deleted his account right away.  ;D
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 10, 2012, 01:38:17 AM
No you're not. I deleted his account right away.  ;D


Well, I gave that member the benefit of the doubt. 

It's like that quote from Goldfinger:  "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."   ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: NowhereMan28 on February 02, 2012, 09:24:35 PM
Long Tall Sally, Come Together, Please Please Me, I Want To Hold Your Hand, Ticket To Ride, Rain, A Day In The Life, She Said, She Said, Good Morning Good Morning, In My Life, I Saw Her Standing There

all these songs come to mind when I think of GREAT Ringo drumming!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on February 07, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Long Tall Sally, Come Together, Please Please Me, I Want To Hold Your Hand, Ticket To Ride, Rain, A Day In The Life, She Said, She Said, Good Morning Good Morning, In My Life, I Saw Her Standing There

all these songs come to mind when I think of GREAT Ringo drumming!
nice choices,nowhere man.ringo was/is a top player.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on February 23, 2012, 01:09:11 AM
Was on another forum and somebody posted this video. Ringo's freaking awesome. Check him out around the 1:35 mark.

The Beatles - Long Tall Sally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612806fJb_Q#)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: In My Life on February 23, 2012, 05:55:45 AM
Was on another forum and somebody posted this video. Ringo's freaking awesome. Check him out around the 1:35 mark.



They shouldn't have cut away from him when they did!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 23, 2012, 06:14:09 AM
The Beatles - Long Tall Sally (Live at the NME Poll Winners Concert) [HiQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKjc6z5gkU#)

The Beatles - Long Tall Sally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGWUUEQ0Bt0#)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Gary910 on February 23, 2012, 06:47:34 PM
On some of Ringo's fills, it almost like they are backwards of what you would expect to hear.

Listening to some out takes now, specifically "Don't Bother Me".
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 23, 2012, 10:37:49 PM
On some of Ringo's fills, it almost like they are backwards of what you would expect to hear.

Listening to some out takes now, specifically "Don't Bother Me".


Ringo made a few mistakes in cadence in the early tales of Don't Bother Me.  This is from The Beatles Music History website:   http://www.beatlesebooks.com/bother-me (http://www.beatlesebooks.com/bother-me)


September 11th, 1963, was the first Beatles recording session to feature a George Harrison composition.  Notwithstanding, it was the final of five songs attempted for the day, which was the third recording session for their second British album.  Recording of this song began during the evening session, which ran from 7:00 until 10:15 pm.  The Lennon penned “Not A Second Time” was begun and completed during this session, which pushed the start of “Don’t Bother Me” to approximately 9:00 pm.

Three overdubs (most likely lead vocals) were recorded on top of (presumably) the fourth take before it was determined that this rendition of the song was not satisfactory.  The song had more of a straightforward beat style at this stage and had not been thoroughly rehearsed by the group.  A new song structure was called for, so the song was temporarily shelved.

The next day, September 12th, 1963, the Beatles resumed work on the song, once again during that days’ evening session.  This longer-than-usual session, from 7:00 to 11:30 pm, started out with a brand new attempt at the song.  Starting from scratch at a round number of ‘take 10,’ this attempt included all of the basic elements of the song, including lead vocals and guitar solo.  While it’s somewhat slower than the finished product as we know it, it was a near perfect rendition.  The only flaws were George’s occasional off key vocal and Ringo’s accent flub at the very end, which prompted George to sarcastically sing “oh yeah, rock and roll now” as an indication that this take couldn’t be used.

The group then decided to incorporate a ‘Beatles break’ just before George begins singing the first verse.  With this in mind, ‘take 11’ broke down just into the first verse.  ‘Take 12’ got a little further, although Ringo kept putting the ‘breaks’ in the wrong places, resulting in George stopping the song saying “no, no, no.”  However, ‘Take 13,’ which comprised some strategic edits, was deemed best.  The most noticeable edit is just before the first bridge where Ringo’s drums cut out during the words “I know I’ll.”

Starting from ‘take 14,’ an extensive overdub was being attempted, which comprised George double-tracking his lead vocal, Paul playing claves, John playing tambourine and Ringo playing an Arabian bongo, all of which were found when they raided the EMI closet.  The second attempt of the overdubs (take 15) was considered the best in the end, although they continued overdubbing through till take 19, although none of those were used.  The song was deemed complete by approximately 8:30 pm.




The Beatles - Don't Bother Me (Take 10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohYbv3KMAfA#)


Don't Bother Me (takes 11 - 13) / The Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndm9PyAepZI#)


Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on February 24, 2012, 12:42:05 AM
Cool stuff Barry. Ringo was all over the place on Take 10 as was George.I didnt listen to the other takes, but i'm surprised they were so far off. Sometimes its hard for me to remember that they werent professional musicians. Makes me give even more credit to the guys in the booth.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 24, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
Todd, double-tracking George's lead vocal and adding Paul playing claves, John playing tambourine and Ringo playing an Arabian bongo yielded one of my favorite George Harrison songs...


The Beatles - Don't Bother Me (2009 Stereo Remaster) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3bRA-Fks5w#)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 24, 2012, 02:25:35 AM
...and it started like this...


Don't Bother Me (Demo) / George Harrison - The Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKRw28YZYJM#)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Dcazz on June 12, 2012, 02:12:39 AM
I think any of his Abby road drumming is his best but... he certaintly plays lead drums on A Day in the Life! I like that one.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: TomMo on June 17, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
For me, it will always be "Long Tall Sally", which IMHO, explains the reason he was asked to join the band. Strong backbeat which drove the band. Remember, the Fabs were still basically a cover band, still in a "dance band" mode, just barely into the concert scene. They had been playing for dancers, not listeners.

Paul's grandfather: "... and where would they be without the steady support of your drum beat, that’s what I’d like to know."

All of Ringo's great work in the years that followed was just icing on the cake.

Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Brynjar on August 31, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
I´ve always liked his drumming on In My Life. Something about it that has always fascinated me.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on September 01, 2012, 03:22:40 AM
I´ve always liked his drumming on In My Life. Something about it that has always fascinated me.

I've always dug it too. Not so much the little snare/hat pattern, but more for the few times he does the one handed fill on the snare and the ride at the same time. I've struggled with that trying to keep it clean sometimes.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Dcazz on September 02, 2012, 05:36:42 PM
I don't really know anything about drumming, but I love what he does in Rain. Does he also play drums in The End? For some reason I think that wasn't him. But I love the drums in that song. So simple but so good.
I think one of the reasons it's sounds different is that it was recorded on two tracks. This gave it a much fuller sound and feel!
I can't remember my source but it's in one of my books somewhere.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Dcazz on September 02, 2012, 05:58:41 PM
I think one of the reasons it's sounds different is that it was recorded on two tracks. This gave it a much fuller sound and feel!
I can't remember my source but it's in one of my books somewhere.
I found it in The Beatles Recording Sessions, page 181. The solo was recorded July 23rd and spread over two tracks of the 8 tracks. "Another Beatle breakthrough!"
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: real01 on September 21, 2012, 08:58:13 PM
I've always thought A Day In The Life has some cool drumming in it. Not particularly difficult to do, but I bet it's totally unlike what any other drummer would have done on that song.

Well, things that seem easy are not easy. Let me post again what I've posted on another topic of Ringo - the praise from Phil Collins:
Starr is vastly underrated. The drum fills on the song "A Day in the Life" are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, 'I want it like that.' He wouldn't know what to do.

My favourite Ringo's drumming is on "Strawberry Fields Forever". I love listening only to the left channel of that track just to hear those great drums!

Oh, me too! So I'm not the only one who does that! 8)

On some of Ringo's fills, it almost like they are backwards of what you would expect to hear.
Listening to some out takes now, specifically "Don't Bother Me".

A sharp remark, but it can be explained. Ringo said:
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I'm no good on the technical things [...] I'm your basic offbeat drummer with funny fills. The fills were funny because I'm really left-handed playing a right-handed kit. I can't roll around the drums because of that.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringo_Starr[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringo_Starr[/url])


What was Ringo's Best Drumming? In my opinion, it was songs such as "I Saw Her Standing There," "I'm Happy Just To Dance With You," "Ticket To Ride," "Revolution," "Paperback Writer" "Birthday," "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me and My Monkey," "Helter Skelter," "Hey Bulldog" and "It's All Too Much" just to name a few. Ringo said it best at the end of "Helter Skelter:" I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS! Take care.

So, I guess most of you fall on Ringo's energetic performances. That's okay.
Now, listen to that soft, rather quiet, meditational George's Long, Long, Long. The drums there are so great because Ringo doesn't drum thru the whole song, but just partially,
during some lyrics and during the refrain. The drums are actually the loudest instrument and you really NOTICE them.

In similar manner: A Day In The Life. It starts with piano, guitar, vocal, maracas (by George), and the drums "join in" after some 45 seconds (after the line he
blew his mind in a car
.) We would, normally expect that the drumming would continue - but, no, we hear the instrument that we heard before, there are no drums on
he didn't notice that the lights have changed. And, then, the drums again come in.

I like songs when the drums come a little bit later like in Hey Jude, You Never Give Me Your Money, Golden Slumbers, The End, etc. 8)

Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: In My Life on September 22, 2012, 06:36:01 AM
On some of Ringo's fills, it almost like they are backwards of what you would expect to hear.


Ringo explains why that is in this video. He also answers the question at hand.

Ringo Starr Reveals The Secret Of His Distinctive Rhythm - CONAN on TBS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98_gMcma9hY#ws)

Mairi was right...as Rain. ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: real01 on September 22, 2012, 01:16:06 PM
^
Nice video.
Since Buddy Holly is mentioned - Ringo did a cover of Think it Over:
Ringo Starr - Think It Over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQcD7uFMeY#ws)

Notice how Ringo is at ease and having fun when playing drums - but how 'serious' he is at the keyboards - he doesn't raise the head not for a second
while he's playing the keyboards because the keyboards are not 'his' instrument.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: real01 on September 23, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
OK, let's hear if that drummer did a good job or not. glassesslip
Isolated piano and Ringo's drums:
Hello Goodbye ( piano and drum track ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsmL1Z831LQ#)

And some of Ringo's drumming is hidden beneath that crescendos in A Day In The Life.
So, let's hear only his drums (and Paul's bass) on that song: glassesslip
A Day in the Life -- bass and drums tracks from original recordings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjM44JpLy8I#)

Or maybe something nice from the earlier period:
The Beatles - I Feel Fine isolated drum track, drums only (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77H2sFdF7pM#)

And, now, the famous "blisters on my fingers" song!
The Beatles - Helter Skelter - Drum Track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGBpGYSEW3A#)
I was surprised how Ringo's drumming is so - steady and hypnotic. Powerful, yet steady and hypnotic! glassesslip
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Dcazz on September 25, 2012, 12:04:24 PM
He's the greatest, for sure!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 25, 2012, 03:43:29 PM
He's the greatest, for sure!


Right up there with Gene Krupa...


Benny Goodman, Gene Krupa, Harry James, Lionel Hampton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTzP7ecGQiw#)



 ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Dcazz on October 09, 2012, 03:30:49 AM
Right up there with Gene Krupa...


Benny Goodman, Gene Krupa, Harry James, Lionel Hampton ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTzP7ecGQiw#[/url])



 ;)
They make it look so easy!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: BLEEN on January 16, 2013, 01:53:53 AM
I have way too many favorites to pick the best drumming, but if I had to pick a Beatle who was the best at a particular instrument it would be Ringo, hands down! His creativity, groove, nuance and personality on the drums is right up there with any of the greats in any style, IMHO. In addition to this, Ringo's willingness to let his recorded drums be aurally manipulated in order to carve out the sonic landscapes of the tunes, is exactly what a band like The Beatles needed. His empathy for THE SONG was always top priority, and to my mind this is what a truly great musician is all about.

You know, it's interesting.........I consider Bernard Purdie among the greatest drummers of all time, and his claim to have played on 21 Beatle tracks used to bother me.........but now that I think of it, that is probably one of the best compliments ever paid to Ringo's drumming! ;D
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on January 16, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
but if I had to pick a Beatle who was the best at a particular instrument it would be Ringo, hands down!

Hey Bleen, welcome to the forums. Paul was the best at his particular instrument though. Ringo had his own style and was great, but Paul was so innovative on the bass at the time, that many top players (Jamerson, etc,,,) were influenced. I cant think of whole lot of top drummers that were actually influenced by Ringo. Sure they dug what he did, but rarely influenced I would think.

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You know, it's interesting.........I consider Bernard Purdie among the greatest drummers of all time, and his claim to have played on 21 Beatle tracks used to bother me.........but now that I think of it, that is probably one of the best compliments ever paid to Ringo's drumming! ;D

Yeah, Purdies great and a legendary player, but he's a legendary bag of air too.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: BLEEN on January 16, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Hey tkitna, thank you for the welcome! This is a great forum, I really enjoy it.

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Paul was the best at his particular instrument though. Ringo had his own style and was great, but Paul was so innovative on the bass at the time, that many top players (Jamerson, etc,,,) were influenced.

I would venture to say just as many great drummers have been influenced by Ringo, including Phil Collins, Max Weinberg, Jim Keltner and many others. Of course, the matter of 'best' among The Beatles is purely a matter of opinion on my part. I certainly think Paul is one of the best bassists ever, and would definitely rank him second on his particular instrument after Ringo!

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Yeah, Purdies great and a legendary player, but he's a legendary bag of air too.

LOL no doubt about that. I just thought it interesting that he believes himself to be one of the greats, and yet tries to convince people that's HIM playing on those recordings, when we all know it's Ringo! He must think very highly indeed of Ringo's playing.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Mr Mustard on December 12, 2014, 01:32:38 AM
Regarding who was best at "their" instrument... Paul originally took on bass because no one else would, but he was also an incredible (if only occasional) lead guitarist...and keyboard player... so versatile! But OK "his" instrument is bass and I think he is sometimes underrated on that by non-fans just as Ringo is  underrated as a drummer.

As far as I'm aware John was the only Beatle who could competently play two instruments at once (guitar and harmonica) whilst singing a song he also wrote... now that's talent!! He was an underrated guitarist too (and, in my opinion, a great keyboard player as well).

Back to the drumming though - I haven't the first clue on the technicalities and what is and isn't difficult to play, but I've always loved Ringo's loose style on "Hello Goodbye" - very effectively breathes a dimension of extra "life" into the song I've always thought...

Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on December 12, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
Regarding who was best at "their" instrument... Paul originally took on bass because no one else would, but he was also an incredible (if only occasional) lead guitarist...and keyboard player... so versatile! But OK "his" instrument is bass and I think he is sometimes underrated on that by non-fans just as Ringo is  underrated as a drummer.

As far as I'm aware John was the only Beatle who could competently play two instruments at once (guitar and harmonica) whilst singing a song he also wrote... now that's talent!! He was an underrated guitarist too (and, in my opinion, a great keyboard player as well).

Back to the drumming though - I haven't the first clue on the technicalities and what is and isn't difficult to play, but I've always loved Ringo's loose style on "Hello Goodbye" - very effectively breathes a dimension of extra "life" into the song I've always thought...

I struggle with some of Paul's lead guitar playing.  Of course I struggle with his drumming too.  Regarding his lead playing, sometimes it just sounds stiff and forced to me, but he isn't a lead guitarist.  I truly feel if he was the lead player from the beginning, he's so talented that we would have had something special as he grew into the role.  More so then George if i'm allowed to say that.

I agree with you about Ringo's drumming on Hello/Goodbye.  Your description of his loose playing is spot on.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: Moogmodule on December 12, 2014, 01:28:40 PM
I struggle with some of Paul's lead guitar playing.  Of course I struggle with his drumming too.  Regarding his lead playing, sometimes it just sounds stiff and forced to me, but he isn't a lead guitarist.  I truly feel if he was the lead player from the beginning, he's so talented that we would have had something special as he grew into the role.  More so then George if i'm allowed to say that.

I agree with you about Ringo's drumming on Hello/Goodbye.  Your description of his loose playing is spot on.

I tend to agree on Paul's lead playing. He didn't do much that struck me as memorable. He could do some flashy sounding stuff but that was his limit. Taxman was a good solo. But I struggle to think of anything else with the Beatles or in his solo work that grabbed me. George had his limitations but I think he developed into a far more interesting player. Particularly once his slide work came into play.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on January 26, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
Hello again everyone.it's been a while.......thought I'd catch up again and see what was going on here!!!since I last posted I've become a dad again to a little son and heir (James-named after Paul,obviously)and also,I have joined a Beatles tribute band here in the UK,bought myself a 1967 Ludwig super classic just like Ringos',so life is good!!!

lovely to read all of the posts about Ringos' playing.and although I have joined a tribute act and really tried to brush up on all of Ringos' parts,i still have trouble with 'I feel fine','Help!','Act naturally',and the rest.but the other boys in the band think I drum great!!and also I'm only 5 foot 6 tall so I make a good Ringo once I have the wig and suit on. ;D
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: blmeanie on January 26, 2015, 11:35:09 AM
also I'm only 5 foot 6 tall so I make a good Ringo once I have the wig and suit on. ;D

Pictures!
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on January 26, 2015, 01:04:56 PM
will gladly post some pics up as soon as we have some done!! ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: tkitna on January 26, 2015, 08:03:09 PM
Hello again everyone.it's been a while.......thought I'd catch up again and see what was going on here!!!since I last posted I've become a dad again to a little son and heir (James-named after Paul,obvously)and also,I have joined a Beatles tribute band here in the UK,bought myself a 1967 a Ludwig super classic just like Ringos',so life is good!!!


Good to hear from you again GO.  Congratulations on fatherhood.  Also congrats on the Beatle tribute band.  Post up some vids when they are available.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: In My Life on January 27, 2015, 04:01:02 AM
Nice to meet you Glass Onion! Congratulations on the new little one and your new band. Both sound like fun.
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: glass onion on January 27, 2015, 09:58:10 AM
thank you,In My Life,and nice to meet you,too.The tribute band is something I have looked at getting into for a good few years now,I have kind of been 'sniffing' around Beatles bands for quite a while,so when the opportunity came along to audition,I just got my chops as tight as possible,and went for it.I was told by the lads in the band that I was the best Ringo who auditioned 'by quite a margin',which was really nice to know,and it kind of gives you that much more confidence.I have done 2 gigs with the band so far;both have gone very well with no hiccups.It is also very,very nice to get dressed as a Beatle,there are the 4 of us there,and like Paul says,when you are all dressed the same,you really are a band.We do the black suits,the Shea Stadium jackets,the black turtle neck sweaters,and sometime this year hopefully we are looking into Sgt.Pepper costumes.The other big thing for me as well......the audience is switched on from the very first chord.I have played in bands for the best part of 25 years now (I'm 40),and it's the first time I have ever had an audience specifically come to see 'my band' play.It is a really good feeling,and they love the Ringo singalong stuff!!Magic!!God Bless Ringo Starr,he's given me a leg up in life here.Just pretend to be Ringo and you'll be ok!!! ;yes ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: What was Ringo's best drumming
Post by: In My Life on January 27, 2015, 06:56:57 PM
Just pretend to be Ringo and you'll be ok!!! ;yes ;D ;D ;)

Not only do you get to play you get to do some acting too! And all you gotta do is act naturally. ;) I saw my first Beatles tribute band last summer and it really was a blast. Even my husband, who is only a lukewarm Beatles fan (I know...GASP!) had a great time. Of course I explained some of the finer points to him later like the "just rattle your jewelry" line. LOL Like Todd said, I'm looking forward to some videos so don't be a stranger!