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Title: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Wayne L. on May 19, 2004, 01:46:32 PM
I think Freedom has got to be one of the " worst songs " creatively, musically, artistically & lyrically Paul has ever written & recorded as an artist in over 40 years in the music business because it's such a " cheesy of the moment " song with him being one of the first to capitalize on the 9/11 terrorists attacks on the WTC & the Pentagon even though he meant well at the time but Freedom is McCartney at his worst which is now " forgotten " with Where Were You(When The World Stopped Turning) by country artist Alan Jackson as the timeless tribute song to the 9/11 tragedies!
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 19, 2004, 04:30:45 PM
I like it.  I know I am perhaps the only person on the globe that does, but it's a great rally song.

However, even I have to admit the lyrics blow.  BIG time.  I think he could have coughed up a rhyme or two.

But I find it infectious, the chorus will stay in my head forever.

But again, there is no doubt most humans with ears agree with you on this one.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 19, 2004, 08:18:29 PM
You wouldn't rally me with a piece of rubbish like this.

People
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Beatle Ed on May 19, 2004, 11:08:55 PM
Well I like it ALOT better than that song from Driving rain, the one where the chorus is pretty much "lalalalalalalaallala" Yuck
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: tkitna on May 20, 2004, 01:09:10 AM
Freedom wasnt only one of Pauls worst songs, it might be one of the worst songs ever written by anybody. Sadly, this song brings down the stock on a rather good album over all.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Sondra on May 20, 2004, 01:25:50 AM
I don't think he intended to cash in. He wrote if for the concert that he organized in support of the city.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Harlena McStarkney on May 20, 2004, 01:55:40 AM
Actually, I'm with Charlie on this one--I LIKE "Freedom"...and I think that the lyrics were made simple so that the large crowd could understand them easily and get the message that Paul was saying.  You can sing along with the chorus, which is good, for the type of thing that Paul wrote the song for.  You have to remember that Paul probably wasn't trying to come up with a song that was super-profound or deep-in this case it was a get-to-the-point ordeal.
I wish you all would stop picking on Paul, as he IS a great songwriter and musician, and he's really not that bad of a person, as far as celebrities go today.  I mean, look at people like Michael Jackson, Eminem, and Britney Spears!  At least Paul knows how to perform good music (in spirit if not in tune all the time).
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 20, 2004, 02:11:09 AM
I understand the enimity most people feel to this song, and I can understand their freeling the song is weak and trite.

But I absolutely do not believe he wrote and recorded it to cash in.

However, his recalling the Driving Rain CD to add it does look untoward to a lot of folks, so even that is understandable.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 20, 2004, 07:41:04 AM
[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=5 date=1085016350]I don't think he intended to cash in. He wrote if for the concert that he organized in support of the city.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Wayne L. on May 20, 2004, 01:50:35 PM
Freedom is one of " worst songs " Paul has ever recorded & released as a solo artist because it was so " cheesy " despite being heartfelt lyrically after the 9/11 terrorists attacks on the WTC & the Pentagon. 
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: tkitna on May 20, 2004, 04:47:24 PM
I could care less what the song actually says or the political aspect or the cashing in,,,,,it could say that DM's Beatle Forum is the greatest and the song would still suck.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Sondra on May 21, 2004, 01:36:42 AM
Well, I disagree with the opinion that Paul is a shallow, money grubbing, oportunist.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: bulldog_0909 on May 21, 2004, 03:14:17 AM
i think yoy're going to say that he was cashing in, then you have to say all songs about 9/11 are cashing in which they are other wise they give it out, or not put it on a album or give all the money to help people.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 21, 2004, 02:23:10 PM
[quote by=bulldog_0909 link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=12 date=1085109257]i think yoy're going to say that he was cashing in, then you have to say all songs about 9/11 are cashing in which they are other wise they give it out, or not put it on a album or give all the money to help people. [/quote]


Damned fine point.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Wayne L. on May 22, 2004, 12:49:29 PM
I think Where Were You ( When The Stopped Turning) by country artist Alan Jackson is the timeless classic of the 9/11 songs which will be listened to long after the 9/11 terrorists attacks because it wasn't cheesy creatively, musically, artistically & lyrically unlike McCartney. 
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 22, 2004, 04:21:39 PM
Never heard it. 


I agree, Paul did a sloppy job with this hasty song.  Then again he witnessed the attacks and may have simply felt that way at that time.

Or he was just being sloppy as he always is with his solo stuff.

I still like the song meself.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Beatle Ed on May 22, 2004, 05:11:31 PM
Wayne you'd be more appreciated if you wouldn't copy and paste all of your posts, from your previous posts..

Or maybe you wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Harlena McStarkney on May 23, 2004, 06:13:38 AM
[quote by=Beatle_Ed link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=16 date=1085245891]Wayne you'd be more appreciated if you wouldn't copy and paste all of your posts, from your previous posts..

Or maybe you wouldn't be.[/quote]

Ed, you rock!!! (grin)



I don't think that Paul's solo work is "sloppy".  It is his own style, so naturally it's not going to be as good as the stuff the Beatles did because the Beatles were four geniuses...Paul is one.

And why is it such a bad thing that Paul would want to make money off a song?  He writes songs, that's how he makes his living!  And since so many of you are complaining about the song, well no one MADE you buy the album.

It's all the way you look at things.  To some, Paul appears a greedy person.  To others, he is a typical working person: he wants to make money off of what he does best.  I see him as the latter.  If you don't like what he writes, then don't buy his music.  Simple.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 23, 2004, 08:30:24 PM
But Harlena, it is still OK to criticize him!

I find the constant adulation of an overrated phony like Paul McCartney annoying.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Harlena McStarkney on May 23, 2004, 09:03:25 PM
[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=18 date=1085344224]But Harlena, it is still OK to criticize him!

I find the constant adulation of an overrated phony like Paul McCartney annoying.[/quote]

And the converse, I find the constant criticism of an underrated genuine like Paul McCartney annoying. 

But, no matter.  We are all entitled to out own opinions. (grin)
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: The End on May 23, 2004, 10:05:36 PM
[quote by=harlenamcstarkney link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=19 date=1085346205]And the converse, I find the constant criticism of an underrated genuine like Paul McCartney annoying.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 23, 2004, 10:07:26 PM
Harlena!
Quote
And the converse, I find the constant criticism of an underrated genuine like Paul McCartney annoying.

Underrated genius?! Well, I would say that "underrated" is the very last word you should apply to Macca.

But, yes, it is ALL opinion. And it's fun to be able to air our opinions, isn't it?

Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on May 23, 2004, 10:08:50 PM
[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=20 date=1085349936]

Nicely put, Harlena :)[/quote]

Which part? That he's underrated, genuine, or that it's all opinion?
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: The End on May 23, 2004, 10:11:37 PM
This part: "And the converse, I find the constant criticism of an underrated genuine like Paul McCartney annoying."
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Harlena McStarkney on May 24, 2004, 12:15:20 AM
[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=21 date=1085350046]
Underrated genius?!
[/quote]

I said genuine, but, yes, he is a genius too.

[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=21 date=1085350046] But, yes, it is ALL opinion. And it's fun to be able to air our opinions, isn't it?[/quote]

Yes it's very fun hehe :)
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Harlena McStarkney on May 24, 2004, 12:16:40 AM
[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=20 date=1085349936]

Nicely put, Harlena :)[/quote]

Thanks, Alan. (grin)
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Beatle Ed on May 24, 2004, 07:39:27 AM
[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=21 date=1085350046]
"underrated" is the very last word you should apply to Macca.
[/quote]
Thats for G-damn sure.

I like Paul. But..  He has become somewhat of a "light seeker" Lately.  By that I mean, he's done so much. FREEDOM included to try to get his beatle mania fame back..

Sorry Paul, you never really lost that fame..
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: LarryG on May 25, 2004, 04:12:10 AM
Harlena, keep up the great posts, despite some of the occasional naysaying you encounter....Your words are positive and open-minded, even if not everyone agrees.  It's how you say it, and not what  you say.  That said, I enjoy reading both your How and What.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Harlena McStarkney on May 26, 2004, 04:16:17 AM
Thanks Larry :)  I do enjoy discussing and I don't really mind that not everyone agrees all the time.  It keeps things interesting. (grin)
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Wayne L. on June 16, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
Freedom is one of the worst songs Paul has ever recorded & released in over 30 years as a solo artist & with his band Wings because the lyrics are so lame even more so than Silly Love Songs despite trying to be thoughtful after the terrorists attacks of 9/11 which is why Freedom will be the most forgotten song McCartney has ever done in his over 40 years in the music business!
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Runforyourlife on June 16, 2004, 11:36:58 PM
[quote by=Beatle_Ed link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1084974392,s=3 date=1085008135]Well I like it ALOT better than that song from Driving rain, the one where the chorus is pretty much "lalalalalalalaallala" Yuck[/quote]


 Are you talking about "From a Lover to a Friend"? Oh, I like that song! I think its sentimental enough yet doesn't make me queasy...I think its a great song. The one on "Driving Rain" that irks me the most is the title track and another one I can't remember. I bought the CD when it came out, yet I only listened to it for about 2 weeks and haven't touched it since. I got kind of bored with it, and I found many of the lyrics trite even for Paul.

 "Freedom" is not a favorite of mine, but its NOT his worse song by any means. I didn't think much of it when it was released and it never moved me at all, like it was supposed to. But it wasn't awful.

 I really loved Bruce Springsteen's album released at that time. That is a beauty, and I was touched prfoundly by most of the songs on there. Man, I'm going to listen to that one again. :)
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Rowdy on June 17, 2004, 01:06:47 AM
There's at least three or four weaker songs on Driving Rain alone.....
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on June 17, 2004, 03:58:29 AM
I am one of the dozen or so people worldwide who actually likes Freedom.  The lyrics are sucky, sure, but it's catchy.

Paul has got such an incredibly LARGE catalog of sh*t songs that Freedom is a shinging beacon of taste in comparison.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Rowdy on June 17, 2004, 02:56:36 PM
Yes, he has a ton of awful, horrid, truly ABYSMAL songs.....


but why are they all so catchy and addictive? It's like I know it's bad, but I just can't stop listening....must be his hypnotic bass lines or something...
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on June 17, 2004, 03:07:46 PM
Paul always had a gift for melody.  His lyrics, since 1970, have been pretty abysmal (tho we all know he could do better).

But it's the catchy melodies (and arrangements) that get you singing out loud words that make no sense.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on July 14, 2004, 09:00:51 PM
Paul is a genius of melody, and even FREEDOM has a catchy one - but I agree it's a horrible song with nothing to say, one of his all time worst - and from his worst album ever, DRIVING RAIN.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: tkitna on July 14, 2004, 11:37:03 PM
I like Driving Rain alot Joe (except for one or two tunes). Why the hate? I definately wouldnt call it his worst album ever. To each his own I guess.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on July 14, 2004, 11:42:23 PM
I just think it's the worst thing he's ever done. Not one good song on it, IMO.  As you say, to each his own. Being that I'm new here -- what's your "worst" album vote? Also, do you mind if I ask how old you are (sometimes age has something to do with it).
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: tkitna on July 14, 2004, 11:49:01 PM
I'm 34 and McCartney 2 is easily his worst album ever. How old are you Joe?

I'm sorry about my manners, I havent welcomed you yet. Welcome, and I hope you stay around for awhile. Can never have enough Beatle fans to talk to.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: on July 14, 2004, 11:51:32 PM
I'm 42. If you read the other threads you'll hear that I like McCARTNEY II, though I could understand how it's your worst album.

Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: tkitna on July 15, 2004, 12:04:49 AM
Thats cool! I just feel that it was techno done horribly wrong. 'Waterfalls' is good, 'One of these Days' is decent, and thats about it for me. Live versions of 'Coming Up' are tons better than the studio version (I hate the album verson), but again, i'm glad you like it.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Rowdy on July 15, 2004, 12:28:09 AM
Each has their own opinion............personally, I don't find either album to be very good....let's just all put on Flaming Pie, so there'll be no arguments.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: GreenApple on October 21, 2005, 04:36:56 PM
Do any other UK people remember Paul did a song when Margaret Thatcher left ofice in 1990? A song complaining about the damage many consider Thatcher had done to Britain.
Title: Re: Freedom is one of Paul's worst songs.
Post by: Taxgirl on October 25, 2005, 01:14:16 PM
No, it is NOT!!! Actually it is one of his BEST song, so I have to disagree... I really don't understand why you hate this song, I love it so much!!