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Help!
« on: November 03, 2006, 08:40:28 PM »

It's commonly thought that the first Beatles song on a non-love theme was Nowhere Man. And, that's what we were saying in this forum last year. But, for a while now I've realised that actually it was Help! And, John making his own genuine cry for help. As according to A Hard Day's Write.

Also, would anyone have preferred to have had If You've Got Trouble and That Means A Lot on the Help! album instead of the two covers? I for one would have. Call me a Beatles snob, but I really don't like any of the cover versions. And it would have made it the first Beatles album without cover versions. How it should have been from the start IMO. I wish they had only used their own compositions from the start. I did read a long time ago that Sir George regretted ever having made them do cover versions. All those other songs we missed!
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Re: Help!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2006, 10:18:27 PM »

I allways thought it was "We Can Work It Out"? which came out earlier?
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Re: Help!
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2006, 11:20:14 PM »

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I allways thought it was "We Can Work It Out"? which came out earlier?

Doesn't that song include the word love?
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Re: Help!
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2006, 02:15:49 PM »

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Also, would anyone have preferred to have had If You've Got Trouble and That Means A Lot on the Help! album instead of the two covers? I for one would have. Call me a Beatles snob, but I really don't like any of the cover versions. And it would have made it the first Beatles album without cover versions.

A Hard Day's Night has no covers.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2006, 03:39:44 PM »

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A Hard Day's Night has no covers.

Forgot that.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2006, 08:48:03 PM »

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Doesn't that song include the word love?

A song can have the word 'love' ini it without being a love song.

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Re: Help!
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2006, 10:18:23 PM »

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I allways thought it was "We Can Work It Out"? which came out earlier?

Help came out earlier.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2006, 11:12:21 PM »

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A song can have the word 'love' ini it without being a love song.


True. And, I think WCWIO can be listened to as either a love song or a message song.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2006, 06:12:06 PM »

John wanted Help! to be a slow Dylanesque number. Changed for commercial reasons. John regretted it. Strong the way it is though.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2006, 08:12:15 AM »

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John wanted Help! to be a slow Dylanesque number. Changed for commercial reasons. John regretted it. Strong the way it is though.

John seems to have changed a few of his songs under pressure. I don't remember ever reading that McCartney ever had to change any of his.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2006, 12:40:42 PM »

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John seems to have changed a few of his songs under pressure. I don't remember ever reading that McCartney ever had to change any of his.

A number of John's songs were harder and grittier. Maybe not commercial enough compared to Paul's sweeter and more optimistic numbers.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2006, 11:18:13 AM »

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John wanted Help! to be a slow Dylanesque number. Changed for commercial reasons. John regretted it. Strong the way it is though.


Here is a bluesy reworking of Help!  :) ... it's a much slower version. John was thinking about re-recording some of his more personal Guyssongs  :-/ ...

At one point Yoko makes a comment and John answers "I don't care how you want to sing it, dear, I'm singing it myself at the moment ..."  8)  ;D


Uploaded here: http://rapidshare.com/files/3572130/Help_.mp3.html
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Re: Help!
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2006, 11:33:01 AM »

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Here is a bluesy reworking of Help!  :) ... it's a much slower version. John was thinking about re-recording some of his more personal Guyssongs  :-/ ...

At one point Yoko makes a comment and John answers "I don't care how you want to sing it, dear, I'm singing it myself at the moment ..."  8)  ;D


Uploaded here: http://rapidshare.com/files/3572130/Help_.mp3.html


Thanks for that. I remember someone posted here something about a conversation between John and George Martin over coffee where John said about re-working Beatles songs including and especially Strawberry Fields Forever.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2006, 02:13:49 PM »

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Thanks for that. I remember someone posted here something about a conversation between John and George Martin over coffee where John said about re-working Beatles songs including and especially Strawberry Fields Forever.

John said they always had to spend ages on the little details of Paul's songs, and his stuff always seemed to be rushed through. He particularly mentioned SF.

I do think that sometimes he had a selective memory!

They spent about 7 days on SF. I've read John moaning about the time they spent on Maxwells Silveer Hammer, but that seems to have taken less (according to Lewishon).

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