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Title: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: nimrod on May 05, 2012, 10:35:04 AM
The Stones ?

well thats what people think, but how great were the Stones ? were they far behind the Beatles in terms of awesomeness ? how good are they compared to the fab 4 ?

Do their albums measure up ?
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Ovi on May 05, 2012, 11:06:21 AM
The Stones are a great band and I respect them for what they were : talented musicians with a big influence.
Their live shows are always a pleasure to watch (well, except maybe for few mid 70's ones with Mick being way too stoned), but otherwise, to me, they are simply not in the same league as The Beatles. There are quite many bands that I prefer over The Stones. Simply because I don't find myself listening to them as often and because their music never impressed me as much as other's.

As I said before, I respect them and I acknowledge their influence, but to me, their music is just not as good as The Beatles'.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: blmeanie on May 05, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
I like the stones, plenty of good songs to like.  Awesome into's to songs, best ever IMO.  From the intro though many Stones songs go into that ultra-repetitive mode too quickly. 

I'd vote for someone like U2 equal to or above the Stones.  Obviously not around as long and don't have the volume of work but for sheer "goodness" of work.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Ovi on May 05, 2012, 01:01:59 PM
I like the stones, plenty of good songs to like.  Awesome into's to songs, best ever IMO.  From the intro though many Stones songs go into that ultra-repetitive mode too quickly. 

I'd vote for someone like U2 equal to or above the Stones.  Obviously not around as long and don't have the volume of work but for sheer "goodness" of work.

I certainly wouldn't put U2 in the same league as the Stones in terms of musical influence and historical relevance.
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Post by: tkitna on May 05, 2012, 07:22:14 PM
Led Zeppelin

I love the Stones, but way too much filler in that catalog to rate them 2nd.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Ovi on May 05, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
My answer would be Pink Floyd.

The reason is simple : Until Waters left, from 1967 to 1983 I wouldn't call any album they made any less than good. I just like every single one.
 
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: ibanez_ax on May 05, 2012, 09:40:32 PM
The Who.  Not including the post-Moon stuff. To me that wasn't The Who.

Tommy/Live At Leeds/Who's Next/Quadrophenia

In my humble opinion, nobody except those guys from Liverpool put out 4 great albums in a row like that.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: nimrod on May 06, 2012, 12:02:26 AM
I think the Stones were 2nd only to The Beatles personally, in the 60's they made so many great singles and had a great sound, I loved their guitar tones all through the 60's, they became an even better band when Mick Taylor joined, a guitarist on a different level to Keith & Brian, for me thats the period they made theyre best albums, Sticky Fingers and Exile. Some great singles in that era were Brown Sugar, Angie & Tumbling Dice.
Ronnie Wood joined after Taylor left and Ive not been a fan of their stuff since that day. To many mediocre albums followed
I believe Jeff Beck nearly joined instead of Wood, its a pity he didnt as he wouldve improved them greatly imo and made them a much more interesting band.
I like bands like Led Zep The Who and The Kinks but I remember when the Beatles were going in the 60's, The Stones were bigger than any of those bands, they were huge, and whether popularity can be seen as a guide or not, their hugeness cannot be denied.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: blmeanie on May 06, 2012, 11:57:13 AM
I certainly wouldn't put U2 in the same league as the Stones in terms of musical influence and historical relevance.

the post isn't clear on whether you are evaluating on influence or historical relevance.  I can listen to whole albums of U2 or a shuffle of U2 songs without getting bored.  After a few stones songs I will switch it.  Many great songs, led by incredible guitar licks.  Somewhat boring to me if more than a "rock block" format of a few songs though.

comparing popularity between eras isn't really fair, the 60's measuring stick of fans going crazy as the groups fly around for shows and the hysteria is extremely muted by something called the internet, MTV etc.  Plus the "going against the establishment" movement of the 60's enhanced the appeal and visibility of fandom.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on May 07, 2012, 10:26:29 PM
The Beatles, the Rolling Stones and the Who are without doubt the Holy Trinity of the 1960's. So I think that the Stones and the Who fight for the place of 2nd greatest band ever.

In my opinion, the Stones were great from 1965 to 1972, and the Who released very solid records from their beginning in 1965 to the death of Keith Moon in 1978. In favor of the Stones, I must say that they released the same quantity of albums in the 1965-1972 period as the Who in 1965-1978, so Mick & friends were more productive. The Stones were also much more popular than the Who, if that counts. However, the Who had better musicians, delivering much more virtuosism. Moreover, Jagger-Richards and Townshend were all great songwriters, but Pete's lyrics were much better and more interesting in my opinion. Also, while the Stones were imitating the Beatles in 1966-1967, the Who presented a new original sound, with revolutionary songs like "My Generation", the mini-rock opera "A Quick One, While He's Away" and their own vision on psychedelia as in "I Can See For Miles". Meanwhile, the Stones best albums appeared in 1968-1972, and though they were first-rate blues-rock records, they weren't very innovative; at the same time the Who broke new ground with albums like Tommy (1969) and Who's Next (1971).

For all these factors, apart from personal taste, I vote the Who as the 2nd greatest band ever.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on May 07, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
The Who.  Not including the post-Moon stuff. To me that wasn't The Who.

Tommy/Live At Leeds/Who's Next/Quadrophenia

In my humble opinion, nobody except those guys from Liverpool put out 4 great albums in a row like that.

I agree. I would add The Who Sell Out in that list of great albums.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: ibanez_ax on May 08, 2012, 02:50:24 AM
I agree. I would add The Who Sell Out in that list of great albums.

Yeah, now that I think of it, The Who Sell Out is awesome.  Great songs and a very original format paying homage to pirate radio.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: nimrod on May 08, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
The Beatles, the Rolling Stones and the Who are without doubt the Holy Trinity of the 1960's. So I think that the Stones and the Who fight for the place of 2nd greatest band ever.



Led Zep though had more certified record sales than either of them
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Bobber on May 08, 2012, 11:28:03 AM
Ever since the Rolling Stones watched John and Paul writing a simple song like I Wanna Be Your Man on the spot, they have followed the Beatles in whatever they were doing in the sixties. It brought us good songs, some great. After the mid seventies, the Rolling Stones role was over. Of course, they're still here but their influence is stripped down to their input between 64-75.

I think The Kinks was a great band, one that even influenced the Beatles and was always innovative. Radiohead is a good call for being highly influental. Oh, and Abba of course.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on May 08, 2012, 02:54:27 PM
Led Zep though had more certified record sales than either of them

But Led Zeppelin was not essentially a 1960's band, even though they started in the late-60's. Zep builded on the base of other great earlier 1960's bands; in fact I think that their format was inspired by the Who. If we are talking about bands, it was in the 1960's when that concept became strong.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: nimrod on May 09, 2012, 01:53:15 AM
But Led Zeppelin was not essentially a 1960's band,

were not narrowing this to 60's bands Hombre, its who was the 2nd  biggest band of all time
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hello Goodbye on May 09, 2012, 03:17:38 AM
Oh, and Abba of course.

Of course!

;)
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: tkitna on May 09, 2012, 07:27:11 AM
My thoughts behind Zeppelin is that they put out 9 albums (I think) and none of them are weak (Presence maybe). They were like the Beatles in that regard. The Stones put out about 30 albums, but only 5 or so are strong from start to finish in my opinion. Same with the Who. Thats my take anyway and its just my opinion.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Ovi on May 09, 2012, 11:08:06 AM
My thoughts behind Zeppelin is that they put out 9 albums (I think) and none of them are weak (Presence maybe). They were like the Beatles in that regard. The Stones put out about 30 albums, but only 5 or so are strong from start to finish in my opinion. Same with the Who. Thats my take anyway and its just my opinion.

What about 'Coda' ?

Also, The Beach Boys are up there, too. Too bad their post '79 albums (not including 'The Smile Sessions' and (hopefully) 'That's Why God Made The Radio') kinda ruined their discography. But on the other hand, I consider 'Pet Sounds' and 'Smile' (if it would've been finished in '67) to be the most ambitious, creative and perfect on every level albums ever done by anyone. And that's saying a lot.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on May 09, 2012, 01:50:15 PM
were not narrowing this to 60's bands Hombre, its who was the 2nd  biggest band of all time

Hey, I understand that very well. I just think that the 2nd greatest band ever must have certain parallelism with the Beatles, I always give a lot of credit to who came before. Anyway, this is just my opinion, and I'm a 60's nut, so I will always choose an essential band from that time.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: tkitna on May 09, 2012, 08:44:41 PM
What about 'Coda' ?

We're Gonna Groove
Poor Tom
I Cant Quit You Baby
Walters Walk
Ozone Baby (Probably my favorite Zep song ever)
Darlene
Bonzo's Montreaux
Wearing and Tearing
Baby Come On Home
Traveling Riverside Blues
White Summer/Black Mountain Side
Hey Hey What Can I Do

Eh, I think its solid, but looking at it as a whole, its a bottom feeder in the Zep catalog, but thats not a bad thing. I'd listen to this album over a ton of other bands stuff. Still think Presence is their worst.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: nimrod on November 04, 2013, 12:14:33 PM
I think as far as singles go The Kinks & The Stones were closest to the fabs
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on November 04, 2013, 12:21:32 PM
I think as far as singles go The Kinks & The Stones were closest to the fabs

Hi Kevin. Were you more into the Kinks lately? I remember when you considered them just as a "singles band". What do you think about their albums?
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: nimrod on November 05, 2013, 01:22:23 AM
Hi Kevin. Were you more into the Kinks lately? I remember when you considered them just as a "singles band". What do you think about their albums?

not really, I always loved their singles, Waterloo Sunset, Lola, Sunny Afternoon, You Really Got Me, Autumn Almanac, Victoria, Tired Of waiting, all great singles but I was always let down by their albums Im afraid. Although I love the track Shangri-La

which is best album Hombre ?
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Sir John Johns on November 05, 2013, 03:58:11 AM
If you're looking for Kinks albums you can't go wrong with Face To Face, Something Else & The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society, I'm also partial to The Muswell Hillbillies too.  :)

not really, I always loved their singles, Waterloo Sunset, Lola, Sunny Afternoon, You Really Got Me, Autumn Almanac, Victoria, Tired Of waiting, all great singles but I was always let down by their albums Im afraid. Although I love the track Shangri-La

which is best album Hombre ?
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on November 05, 2013, 05:01:04 PM
not really, I always loved their singles, Waterloo Sunset, Lola, Sunny Afternoon, You Really Got Me, Autumn Almanac, Victoria, Tired Of waiting, all great singles but I was always let down by their albums Im afraid. Although I love the track Shangri-La

And "Shangri-La" was released as a single from Arthur as well, but it didn't chart I think. I love that song too and I think that it's a serious candidate for the best Kinks' song.

which is best album Hombre ?

That's hard to tell because I think that all their albums from 1966 to 1971 are really good, but I wouldn't call any of them as the ultimate masterpiece. But to answer your cuestion I'll say The Village Green Preservation Society, I think Ray's best songwriting can be found there. Arthur perhaps is better performed.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on November 05, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
If you're looking for Kinks albums you can't go wrong with Face To Face, Something Else & The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society, I'm also partial to The Muswell Hillbillies too.  :)

I would add Arthur and Lola to that list.
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Post by: Ovi on November 05, 2013, 05:40:07 PM
To my ears, Village Green Preservation Society, Arthur and Muswell Hillbillies are their 3 masterpieces. Absolutely stunning, timeless records. Could talk for hours about any of them.

At the moment, I think my favourite Kinks song is 'Celluloid Heroes' from the underrated Everybody's In Show-Biz.
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Post by: stevie on December 05, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
While I love Zep, I sorta realised the other day that their one real glaring weakness is?

Their lyrics. If you go through the bulk of their songs, a lot of the lyrics are quite average! They sound good because the music is so good.

Plant wrote most of the lyrics and they seem very shallow when you really listen to them or read the actual words.

Not dissing them at all, just an observation I suddenly realised after listening to and loving them for about 35 years, lol.
Title: Re: the 2nd greatest band ever was.....
Post by: Moogmodule on December 22, 2013, 09:14:35 AM
A while ago I was thinking of just this question. It's nice to find a thread to give me an excuse to put my thoughts in writing.

 I was particularly pondering whether U2 could lay reasonable claim ahead of the Stones. My thinking was that U2 have remained a watched for recording act for 30 years. Their albums still are a bit of an event when released. While I thought most except die hard fans stopped watching for Stones albums after maybe Tattoo You. So that their influence as a recording/writing band could be restricted to around twenty years, with the last thirty basically running off the fumes of that period.

Having pondered that though I still in the end would give the Stones second place. Primarily on the strength of having such a large range of classic rock tracks. It's hard to beat a back catalogue of Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash, Gimme Shelter,Paint it Black  etc etc. they can fill a whole concert with songs that most people, even those not fans, would know. And being one of the two biggest acts of the 60s would put them higher on the influential rankings than a later era band.

And in a way the fact that they've been able to stay a huge touring act on the strength of the songs from that original 15 to 20 year period is a testimony to how substantial their catalogue and contribution is.

While U2 has some great songs and some that will be considered rock standards, I'm not sure it's enough to get them that second spot. As well, only releasing 12 albums in thirty-odd years also loses them a few points in my book. I know for large acts a three or four year gap is now the norm but its hardly the way to be seen as a prolific contributor to rocks repertoire.

U2 can fight it out for minor placings with the Who, Zep, Pink Floyd and the Kinks.