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Title: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: nimrod on December 05, 2013, 01:53:07 AM
She said I know what it's like to be dead
I know what it is to be sad
And she's making me feel like I've never been born

I said who put all those things in your head
Things that make me feel that I'm mad
And you're making me feel like I've never been born

She said you don't understand what I said
I said no, no, no you're wrong
When I was a boy, everything was right
Everything was right

I said even though you know what you know
I know that I'm ready to leave
'Cause you're making me feel like I've never been born

She said you don't understand what I said
I said no, no, no you're wrong
When I was a boy, everything was right
Everything was right

I said even though you know what you know
I know that I'm ready to leave
'Cause you're making me feel like I've never been born

She said, she said
I know what it's like to be dead
I know what it's like to be dead
I know what it is to be sad
I know what it is to be sad
I know what it's like to be dead
I know what it's like...



Here is a story off Wiki;

In late August 1965, Brian Epstein had rented a house at 2850 Benedict Canyon Drive in Beverly Hills, California for the Beatles' six-day respite from their U.S. tour. The huge Spanish-style house was tucked into the side of a mountain. Soon their address became widely known and the area was besieged by fans who blocked roads and tried to scale the steep canyon while others rented helicopters to spy from overhead. The police department detailed a tactical squad of officers to protect the band and the house. The Beatles found it impossible to leave and instead invited guests including actors Eleanor Bron (who co-starred with them in Help!), Peggy Lipton and folk singer Joan Baez. On 24 August, they hosted the Byrds and Fonda and, all except Paul McCartney, took LSD.
Fonda wrote for Rolling Stone magazine:
“   I finally made my way past the kids and the guards. Paul and George were on the back patio, and the helicopters were patrolling overhead. They were sitting at a table under an umbrella in a rather comical attempt at privacy. Soon afterwards we dropped acid and began tripping for what would prove to be all night and most of the next day; all of us, including the original Byrds, eventually ended up inside a huge, empty and sunken tub in the bathroom, babbling our minds away.
I had the privilege of listening to the four of them sing, play around and scheme about what they would compose and achieve. They were so enthusiastic, so full of fun. John was the wittiest and most astute. I enjoyed just hearing him speak and there were no pretensions in his manner. He just sat around, laying out lines of poetry and thinking – an amazing mind. He talked a lot yet he still seemed so private.
It was a thoroughly tripped-out atmosphere because they kept finding girls hiding under tables and so forth: one snuck into the poolroom through a window while an acid-fired Ringo was shooting pool with the wrong end of the cue. "Wrong end?" he’d say. "So what f***in’ difference does it make?"

As the group passed time in the large sunken tub in the bathroom Fonda brought up his nearly fatal self-inflicted childhood gunshot accident, writing later that he was trying to comfort a frightened George Harrison.[10] Fonda said that he knew what it was like to be dead. Lennon snapped, "Listen mate, shut up about that stuff", and "You're making me feel like I've never been born." Lennon explained, "We didn't want to hear about that! We were on an acid trip and the sun was shining and the girls were dancing (some from Playboy, I believe) and the whole thing was really beautiful and Sixties. And this guy—who I really didn't know, he hadn't made Easy Rider or anything—kept coming over, wearing shades, saying 'I know what it's like to be dead,' and we kept leaving him because he was so boring. It was scary, when you're flying high: 'Don't tell me about it. I don't want to know what it's like to be dead!'" "... [H]e was showing us his bullet wound. He was very uncool," Harrison added.
McCartney recalls: "Fonda seemed to us to be a bit wasted; he was a little out of it. I don't know if we expected a bit more of Henry [Fonda]'s son but he was certainly of our generation and he was alright." Actress Salli Sachse recalled: "Peter was really into music. He couldn't wait until The Beatles’ Revolver album came out. We went to the music store and played it, trying to hear any hidden messages."
When someone realised that they had not eaten all day the group tried to make dinner in the kitchen but Lennon was too confused from the drug to use his knife and fork properly and as he tried to stop his food from moving around on his plate he spilled it onto the floor.

Recording

This was the final track recorded during the Revolver sessions, and was hastily added when the album line-up was found to be a song short. It took nine hours to rehearse and record the entire song, complete with overdubs.[13] After the recording of the song The Beatles' producer George Martin is reported to have said: "All right, boys, I'm just going for a lie-down."
Harrison said he helped Lennon construct the song from two separate "bits". McCartney does not appear on the track; the bass is played by Harrison. McCartney said, "I'm not sure but I think it was one of the only Beatle records I never played on. I think we had a barney or something and I said, 'Oh, f*** you!,' and they said, 'Well, we'll do it.'"

Personnel

John Lennon – lead and harmony vocals, rhythm guitar, Hammond organ
George Harrison – backing vocal, lead guitar, bass
Ringo Starr – drums, shaker

Personnel per Ian MacDonald
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: In My Life on December 05, 2013, 02:34:51 AM
What I always found interesting about this song was the phrasing John used when he sang
She said you don't understand what I said
I said no, no, no you're wrong
When I was a boy, everything was right
Everything was right


The way he broke it up was kind of unexpected but it works well with the whole trippy feel of the song. That must have been interesting for Paul to be the only one not tripping and just observing the rest of them; kind of like when you're the designated driver with a bunch of drunk people only weirder.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Normandie on December 05, 2013, 03:33:50 AM

"Trippy" is a good descriptor. I'd add "dreamy," too. This is one of my favorites.

Interesting back story; thanks for sharing, nimrod. I had heard John had based the song on a conversation with Peter Fonda but didn't know the details.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: stevie on December 05, 2013, 03:51:51 AM
In my top 5 Beatle songs.

Great bassline by George and awesome drums by Ringo. Johns singing sounds cool too. It's funny how Macca was absent. I wonder what they argued about, lol?
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: nimrod on December 05, 2013, 03:54:01 AM
"Trippy" is a good descriptor. I'd add "dreamy," too. This is one of my favorites.

Interesting back story; thanks for sharing, nimrod. I had heard John had based the song on a conversation with Peter Fonda but didn't know the details.

It is an interesting story isnt it. Its great to know what inspiration the songs came from, this is one of my favourite's too.

Ive always loved it and I never seem to tire of hearing it.

In my top 5 Beatle songs.

Great bassline by George and awesome drums by Ringo. Johns singing sounds cool too. It's funny how Macca was absent. I wonder what they argued about, lol?

Yes George was no slouch on Bass Stevie.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 05, 2013, 05:12:28 AM
I didn't like this song when I first played my Revolver LP in 1966.  I skipped it each time I played the record for about two years.  But no, no, no I was wrong to do that.  I liked it a lot in the late 60s and still do today.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: tkitna on December 05, 2013, 06:51:17 AM
Good song. Love Ringos drumming in this one. Great atmosphere and good production. George does well on the bass here too. I love Revolver now that I think about it.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Klang on December 05, 2013, 12:06:53 PM

Yep. One of the best.

 :)

Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: oldbrownshoe on December 06, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
Even on the magnificent Revolver, 'She Said She Said' stands out as a 24 carat gold classic.

How can an LP have this, and 'Eleanor Rigby', and 'Tomorrow Never Knows', and 'Got To Get You Into My Life', and 'Good Day Sunshine' on it?.....and still be able to leave 'Paperback Writer' and 'Rain' for the 45s market!!!!!!
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: stevie on December 06, 2013, 10:35:55 AM
Even on the magnificent Revolver, 'She Said She Said' stands out as a 24 carat gold classic.

How can an LP have this, and 'Eleanor Rigby', and 'Tomorrow Never Knows', and 'Got To Get You Into My Life', and 'Good Day Sunshine' on it?.....and still be able to leave 'Paperback Writer' and 'Rain' for the 45s market!!!!!!

Not to mention 'Taxman', 'For No One', 'And Your Bird Can Sing', 'I Want To Tell You'!

Quite simply, Revolver is the best album ever made. Period.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: tkitna on December 06, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
Quite simply, Revolver is the best album ever made. Period.

Its damn close for sure. Easily the Beatles best record in my opinion.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Dcazz on December 06, 2013, 02:04:32 PM
I agree! Best record ever for me, Beatles or not!
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Klang on December 06, 2013, 02:15:48 PM

Tut! Tut! Let's not forget the splendiferous 'Odyssey & Oracle.'

 :P

Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 06, 2013, 07:59:13 PM
And this guy—who I really didn't know, he hadn't made Easy Rider or anything—kept coming over, wearing shades, saying 'I know what it's like to be dead,' and we kept leaving him because he was so boring.

Peter Fonda wrote a similar line for Easy Rider.  In the tripping scene, the prostitute character played by Karen Black says: "I'm gonna die...I'm dying...I'm dead."
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on December 07, 2013, 02:20:31 AM
I liked this one since the first time I listened to it, and it have become one of my favorite songs too. I love the whole ambient, with those triumphant drums and sharp guitars. And I especially love the ending, with superposed vocals in the fade out.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Ovi on December 07, 2013, 09:35:30 AM
Never been that much of a fan of the song itself, but the sound is indeed great.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Snoopy66 on December 07, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
I liked this one since the first time I listened to it, and it have become one of my favorite songs too. I love the whole ambient, with those triumphant drums and sharp guitars. And I especially love the ending, with superposed vocals in the fade out.
Me too, I love that song from the beginning; I even prefer it to "Rain", which much more popular, never quite unterstood why... the drums are amazing and the whole sound just captivates me each time I listen to it. Just too pity that the ending doesn't last longer...

Snoopy
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Kaleidoscope_Eyes on December 07, 2013, 11:33:57 PM
I may be one of those rare people who do not like so much this song nor Revolver as a whole.... This song lacks melody or beat for me. Metaphorically, it is like a mansion built on little cement or shaky foundation...
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 08, 2013, 12:34:15 AM
I even prefer it to "Rain", which much more popular, never quite unterstood why...


Snoopy, here in the United States, Paperback Writer and Rain were released on the same 45 RPM single.  The B side was Rain, but with Beatles 45s we can consider them "Double A" records.  In fact the sleeve had the song names in reverse orders front and back...


(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/2a/35/paperbacwriter.jpg?itok=80YKZXMB)      (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Rain-Paperback_Writer_US_aa_sleeve.jpg)


I remember both songs being very popular during the early part of the summer of 1966 and they got a lot of airplay.  But in August, Yellow Submarine was released which went on to eclipse both songs.  That's how quickly things were changing in those days!  there just wasn't enough room on an LP for all the songs The Beatles were recording during this prolific time.

Personally, considering this particular year of 1966 where so many genres of music were popular, I feel that if they released She Said She Said as a sinle, it would have done just as well in popularity and sales.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 08, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
I may be one of those rare people who do not like so much this song nor Revolver as a whole....

I know how you feel, KE.  Several songs on Revolver put me off on the album too.  I just played Rubber Soul more frequently instead.  ;)
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: blmeanie on December 08, 2013, 03:03:56 AM
Revolver is a definitive turn for the boys, not my favorite collection of their songs however.  She Said She Said is good enough, not in my top 20 songs however.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Snoopy66 on December 08, 2013, 03:04:57 PM
I know how you feel, KE.  Several songs on Revolver put me off on the album too.  I just played Rubber Soul more frequently instead.  ;)
So which songs in "Revolver" put you off, I wonder ?

Snoopy
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Brynjar on December 14, 2013, 12:20:17 PM
Love Song of the Week - hope you´ll do In My Life soon.  :)
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Moogmodule on December 16, 2013, 08:59:40 PM
I love the overall sound of She Said. Everything meshes well. And Ringo's drums are excellent. He almost does more fills than normal bars. The guitar sound is great as well. Gritty and chunky. I didnt like a lot of the recorded sound of the electrics on previous albums, except for the 12 string. They often sounded a bit plunky and thin.
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 17, 2013, 12:10:09 AM
I didnt like a lot of the recorded sound of the electrics on previous albums, except for the 12 string. They often sounded a bit plunky and thin.


I think that George's Rickenbacker 360/12, with its light gauge strings, sounded a bit "plunky and thin."  But that's how it's supposed to sound...


The Beatles - You Can't Do That (2009 Mono Remaster) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5t6vGmsQ7o#)

The Beatles: "You Can't Do That" (George's part) Rickenbacker 360/12C63 & '67 Gibson Skylark amp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOGYWPNemX4#)



Early on, George's 6-string guitars included the Gretsch Duo-Jet, Country Gentleman, and Tennessean and, of course, his Rickenbacker 425.  The Gretsch guitars had that Chet Atkins country-twang sound provided by their Dynasonic (Duo-Jet), Filter'Tron (Country Gentleman) and Super'Tron (Tennessean) pickups.  The Rickenbacker 425 is a single-pickup solid body guitar which sounded a bit thin in comparison to his Gretsch guitars.

George's Epiphone Casino sounded very rich in this live performance of Nowhere Man...

Beatles - Nowhere man - Live in Munich 1966 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRv34Cat3Vw#)
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Moogmodule on December 17, 2013, 01:04:16 AM

George's Epiphone Casino sounded very rich in this live performance of Nowhere Man...



That's a good example.  Actually the Rubber Soul version of Nowhere Man I thought the lead guitar sounded good too. I don't want to derail the thread so won't go into this any more here. I'll find the thread on their guitars and sounds.

Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 17, 2013, 01:28:24 AM
That's a good example.  Actually the Rubber Soul version of Nowhere Man I thought the lead guitar sounded good too. I don't want to derail the thread so won't go into this any more here. I'll find the thread on their guitars and sounds.




A slight digression is OK.  Discussion is encouraged around here.

John and George played Stratocasters on the Rubber Soul recording (according to Beatle Gear by Andy Babiuk).  They played the solo in unison...


The Beatles- 04- Nowhere Man (2009 Mono Remaster) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wQu38B_dAc#)
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Moogmodule on December 17, 2013, 02:18:55 AM
A slight digression is OK.  Discussion is encouraged around here.

John and George played Stratocasters on the Rubber Soul recording (according to Beatle Gear by Andy Babiuk).  They played the solo in unison...


The Beatles- 04- Nowhere Man (2009 Mono Remaster) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wQu38B_dAc#[/url])


That's interesting and impressive. I always assumed it was George double tracked. It's a nice guitar part too. It makes sense they were using strats on it. Definitely gives that dry, rockier sound.

Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Kaleidoscope_Eyes on December 17, 2013, 08:11:42 AM
Funny thing happened today. When I was walking from the train station I heard someone sing She said, She said . I couldn't not give him money...... ;)
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: nimrod on December 17, 2013, 12:14:49 PM
I always loved the lead guitar sound on Baby,s in Black

It kinda suited the waltz
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: tkitna on December 17, 2013, 02:36:31 PM
I always loved the lead guitar sound on Baby,s in Black


(http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/3661991+_1c79d56b5916e3ed52258243b9027324.jpg)
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 17, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
I love that song!
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Moogmodule on December 17, 2013, 09:30:33 PM
I always loved the lead guitar sound on Baby,s in Black


Maybe someone with the Lewisohn or Babluk book could tell us what that guitar amp combo was.

In terms of my thin and plunky comment I would suggest songs such as Don't Bother Me as an example of what I mean. I appreciate it's not as simple as Pre-Revolver bad; Revolver and after good. There was some nice guitar sounds on all the Beatles records. And it varies within albums. As has been pointed out the strats on Nowhere Man sound very good. I'm less enamoured of the guitar on What Goes On. Although that was no doubt an intentional sound to get that Rockabilly Carl Perkins feel.

It could also be the plunky sound I'm thinking of is George's playing on some tracks too. He did sound sometimes like he was snapping the strings back against the fretboard on some parts.


Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: nimrod on December 17, 2013, 09:37:10 PM
([url]http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/3661991+_1c79d56b5916e3ed52258243b9027324.jpg[/url])



:-)

I also like the intro to Every Little Thing guitar tone

I don't agree with the poster who said it was all tinny pre the middle period , some of johns tones were fantastic, listen to You Can't Do That
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 18, 2013, 05:27:18 AM
I also like the intro to Every Little Thing guitar tone


That's John playing his Rickenbacker 325/12, Kev...


(http://cdn-ak.f.st-hatena.com/images/fotolife/o/outsider-records/20121015/20121015173523.jpg)


It sounds very different than George's 360/12.


Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: nimrod on December 18, 2013, 11:56:17 AM
It sounds great baz :-)
Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 19, 2013, 03:35:26 AM
It sounds great baz :-)


It sure does, mate...


The Beatles Every Little Thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWe543eWAR8#ws)


...and worthy of a Song Of The Week.  ;)


Title: Re: Song Of The Week - She Said She Said
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 19, 2013, 05:55:56 AM
So which songs in "Revolver" put you off, I wonder ?

At 16, I wasn't quite ready for psychedelic music, Snoopy.  Tomorrow Never Knows, Love You Too and I Want To Tell You frightened me a bit.  I liked the love songs like Here, There and Everywhere, Got to Get You into My Life, and, although it was a sad song, For No One.  I also liked Eleanor Rigby with its string quartet.