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Title: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 11, 2008, 11:24:14 AM
The Beach Boys are regularly discussed one the 'various artists' forum, but there wasn't a general Beach Boys thread yet...

So feel free to discuss anything related to this band here...  :)

Let's start with what everyone's favorite Beach Boys song is...?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ged on December 11, 2008, 12:27:07 PM
God only knows and good vibrations for me.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ged on December 11, 2008, 12:29:03 PM
Oh, and the relatively more recent 'Kokomo'.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 11, 2008, 01:47:04 PM
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Oh, and the relatively more recent 'Kokomo'.

Most Beach Boys fans hate that song with a passion. I like it though.

Some interesting facts about the song: It was written by John Phillips (of The Mamas & The Papas), Scott McKenzie (best known for his hit single "San Francisco"), Terry Melcher (Doris Day's son) and Mike Love (of the Beach Boys). The song has no input whatsoever from Brian Wilson, which was his manager/psychologist Eugene Landy's fault: he told the Beach Boys that Brian would only participate if he (Landy) could co-produce the song and then told Brian that the Beach Boys didn't want him on the song... "Kokomo" was the group's first US #1 hit in 21 years, which is a record: no other artist ever had such a long time span between two #1 hits.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Geoff on December 11, 2008, 03:58:31 PM
"Wouldn't It Be Nice," lately. I like the way the melody shifts in the middle.

"Kokomo" sounds like the sort of thing an eighties Beach Boys tribute band would put out. Glad they got a hit, but it's far from my favorite record.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BlueMeanie on December 11, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
I'll go for Surfin' USA, only because I have a spoof version by 'French, Frith, Kaiser, Thompson', that knocks my socks off!!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 11, 2008, 08:42:56 PM
I really like everything they did.  They are, after all, "An American Band."


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/music/The_Beach_Boys_1.jpg)

 :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 12, 2008, 07:41:49 AM
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I really like everything they did.

Then you've probably never heard the albums they made after 1979... :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on December 12, 2008, 08:05:22 AM
Break Away and Tears In The Morning. Obviously I like their late 60's sound. Not into the surfing stuff.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 12, 2008, 08:37:48 AM
My top 10:
1. God Only Knows
2. Wouldn't It Be Nice
3. Forever
4. This Whole World
5. Break Away
6. Time To Get Alone
7. Surf's Up
8. Good Vibrations
9. I Get Around
10. Our Prayer
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: freakchic9 on December 14, 2008, 04:01:18 AM
I Get Around. The harmonies are... harmonious. =D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dabbik on December 14, 2008, 05:25:02 AM
Let's Go Away For Awhile and Pet Sounds(The song). Both instrumental, sweet.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on December 15, 2008, 06:04:55 PM
1. God Only Knows
2. Don't Worry Baby
3. Wouldn't It Be Nice
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Heroes and Villains
6. I Can Hear Music
7. Good Vibrations
8. I Know There's an Answer
9. California Girls
10. Help Me Rhonda
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on December 15, 2008, 07:59:28 PM
God Never Knows and Never Learn Not To Love.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 15, 2008, 08:14:19 PM
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God Never Knows and Never Learn Not To Love.

Ah, the Manson song... I like it, it sounds kind of mysterious and hypnotic... I have Manson's demo recording for the song on a bootleg, it's somewhat messy but I must admit that the guy has a good voice... If he wouldn't have been such a nut job, I think he could've gone somewhere as a musician...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on December 15, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Manson's demo is pretty good.

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Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Jane on December 15, 2008, 09:10:37 PM
Look what I`ve found which has something to do with the Beach Boys: It is said that Brian Wilson, the creative genius behind the BB, abandoned the project he was working on after hearing Sgt Pepper for the first time. He didn`t see the point of going on now that the definitive album had been made. The Beatles were greater! (but, please, don`t get offended as you all love the Beatles as well).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 16, 2008, 09:37:20 AM
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Look what I`ve found which has something to do with the Beach Boys: It is said that Brian Wilson, the creative genius behind the BB, abandoned the project he was working on after hearing Sgt Pepper for the first time. He didn`t see the point of going on now that the definitive album had been made. The Beatles were greater! (but, please, don`t get offended as you all love the Beatles as well).

Yeah, that's a very well known myth, but complete nonsense. It's just a story that someone made up and that has been repeated ever since by lazy journalists that haven't done proper research.

Of course I don't have absolute knowledge on the subject, but I've read about 10-15 different Beach Boys/Brian Wilson biographies and had some online conversations with people very close to the Beach Boys camp and everyone who could know seems to agree: yes, Brian did see The Beatles as competition, but in a healthy way. He was mostly a fan and saw it as a challenge to do better than them, but it wasn't an obsession. The Beatles inspired and motivated him, and vice versa. And by all accounts, he's always seen "Rubber Soul" and not "Sgt. Pepper" as The Beatles' most impressive album. There was actually one competitor that he truely felt threatened by: Phil Spector. Brian absolutely worshipped Spector but Spector showed his disdain for Brian's work whenever he got the chance. John Lennon and Paul McCartney however have always been very supportive of Brian.

Brian Wilson shelved the "Smile" project in 1967 and became a reclusive after that (but although it's a popular myth that he didn't leave his bedroom for a couple of years, he kept having a few productive days, weeks or even months every now and then), but that took a lot more than just a Beatles album. Brian Wilson had a very weak mental health for most of his life (he's been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, bipolar type). He had his first nervous breakdown in 1964 and has been hearing evil voices in his head ever since. And he was then already known to act pretty 'weird' sometimes (but he was rich and famous, so people didn't think he was weird, just eccentric). On top of that he had to deal with a very abusive father (who still bullied him as an adult), a very demanding record company (Capitol had gotten used to Brian writing, arranging and producing three new hit albums per year and didn't want him to slow down), a non-cooperative band (reportedly, especially Mike Love didn't approve of Brian's progressive new direction and pressured him to stick to the hit formula to keep the money coming in) and on top of all that, he had started doing too much drugs. So what it came down to: he was a mentally instable guy on drugs with way too much pressure on his shoulders. It was bound to go wrong one way or another.

And during the time he was working on "Smile", Brian didn't really have a reason to acknowledge that the Beatles were 'greater'. He was one of the few American musicians from the pre-Beatles era to survive the British invasion with his carreer unharmed. His last single "Good Vibrations" had just been a huge hit on both sides of the Atlantic.  The Beach Boys had just beaten the Beatles in a British popularity poll. John Lennon and Paul McCartney considered him a genius. Andrew Loog Oldham was so impressed by "Pet Sounds" that he personally paid for an advertisement for the album. Insiders told everyone that the new album was gonna be so good that it would overshadow "Pet Sounds". Capitol Records was so confident about the album that the record sleeves and store displays were printed before the recordings were even halfway done. Even classical composer Leonard Bernstein praised Brian's new music. So there was really no reason for Brian to throw in the towel just because he heard a really good album by someone else.

So yeah, it does sounds like a spectaculair story... Brian Wilson heard "Sgt. Pepper", was so impressed that he freaked out and lost his mental health... But that's a complete myth.

Brian finally managed to finish "Smile" in 2004 (although not with the Beach Boys but with his current touring band). Paul McCartney was in the audience when Brian performed the entire album live in London that year.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: on December 22, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
sloop john b, anyone?
I think i somebody should do a love style mix-up of i get around and ticket to ride. that would sound great.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 22, 2008, 02:46:21 PM
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I think i somebody should do a love style mix-up of i get around and ticket to ride. that would sound great.

Or a mix-up of "Ticket To Ride" and the Beach Boys-song "Girl Don't Tell Me" (the choruses of both songs are almost identical...)  :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 23, 2008, 09:56:05 AM
It seems that the chances of a Beach Boys reunion are growing... Bruce Johnston has always been against it but has now said that he would like to do a few reunion shows and a forthcoming DVD... And on the upcoming Al Jardine solo album, there will be a track with vocal contributions from the late Carl Wilson (from an older outtake), Brian Wilson and Mike Love (both newly recorded)... So that's 4/5 of the original Beach Boys line-up... Most remarkable thing about this is that Love fired Jardine from the band ten years ago and the two hadn't worked together since...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: on December 29, 2008, 06:21:16 PM
like somebody have said here, they are an american band. I was never into american bands. I think The Beach Boys are great after all, but their music is far from rock'n'roll. too much san francisco/miami/los angeles/bahamas/hot rods/surfing/beach for me etc they are too sunny. sorry.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 30, 2008, 01:50:15 PM
First of all: sorry if it seems like I'm trying to correct everything everyone posts here...

Quote from: 1458
their music is far from rock'n'roll.
I don't agree. Songs like "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "Surfin' USA" were obvious Chuck Berry rip offs. Carl Wilson was an excellent rock & roll guitarist. And if anyone ever lived the rock & roll lifestyle, it was Dennis Wilson.

Quote from: 1458
too much san francisco/miami/los angeles/bahamas/hot rods/surfing/beach for me etc they are too sunny. sorry.
It's a misconception that The Beach Boys were mostly about surfing, beaches and hot rods and stuff like that. They were in their first 3-4 years, but they stopped making songs about those subjects after 1964. To say that The Beach Boys were "I Get Around", "Surfin' USA" and "Little Deuce Coupe" is the same thing as saying that The Beatles were "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "Please Please Me" and "She Loves You". The Beach Boys' songs from 1965-1966 were mostly very introvert and often dealt with relationships and self-reflection, the 1966-1967 material was mostly very abstract lyrics and later on they did songs about anything from the environment to transcendental meditation and from student demonstrations to pedicure (!).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: on December 30, 2008, 02:01:06 PM
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First of all: sorry if it seems like I'm trying to correct everything everyone posts here...


I don't agree. Songs like "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "Surfin' USA" were obvious Chuck Berry rip offs. Carl Wilson was an excellent rock & roll guitarist. And if anyone ever lived the rock & roll lifestyle, it was Dennis Wilson.


It's a misconception that The Beach Boys were mostly about surfing, beaches and hot rods and stuff like that. They were in their first 3-4 years, but they stopped making songs about those subjects after 1964. To say that The Beach Boys were "I Get Around", "Surfin' USA" and "Little Deuce Coupe" is the same thing as saying that The Beatles were "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "Please Please Me" and "She Loves You". The Beach Boys' songs from 1965-1966 were mostly very introvert and often dealt with relationships and self-reflection, the 1966-1967 material was mostly very abstract lyrics and later on they did songs about anything from the environment to transcendental meditation and from student demonstrations to pedicure (!).

maybe you're right. I am bit of critic this week  :) , so don't be surprised. like I said, The Beach Boys are great, their albums may have influenced to some of The Beatles albums, but but but you know... okay they were rock'n'roll they were, not, they ARE influential, but I still listen only to the british bands. sorry again. although I was maybe wrong about too much hotrods. I love hotrods  ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on December 31, 2008, 04:11:27 AM
brian was ahead of his time...i love lana and farmers daughter...BP8BI3yxEf8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP8BI3yxEf8)
farmers daughter i believe is sung by mikey but i really enjoy brians surfer girl too...i thought i preferred brian over mike but sometimes mike is so good....
but then i see this and bri wins again...iFS6C9OxNtM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFS6C9OxNtM)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on December 31, 2008, 04:21:09 AM
ZAvCmS9SDEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAvCmS9SDEE)
damn joost is it just me or did paul totally rip brian off on that fireman idea or what????????remember brians fascination with the elements??????years ahead...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on December 31, 2008, 04:26:21 AM
916CcTWzIAM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=916CcTWzIAM)-SxRIbToU6g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SxRIbToU6g)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on December 31, 2008, 04:30:36 AM
i would say the b section of my albums is the most expanse because of the beatles and the beach boys....i never tired of the beach boys either...i really love thier oldest stuff but they still have and will always make good music....
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 31, 2008, 01:58:28 PM
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farmers daughter i believe is sung by mikey but i really enjoy brians surfer girl too...i thought i preferred brian over mike but sometimes mike is so good....
but then i see this and bri wins again...

Farmer's Daughter is also Brian. Mike never sung such high parts, he was always the lowest (and most nasal) voice in the blend. Fleetwood Mac recorded a cover version of that song, by the way.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 31, 2008, 02:05:23 PM
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i really love thier oldest stuff but they still have and will always make good music....

The Beach Boys (as a group) actually haven't released any new material since 1992 (apart from backing vocals a country & western tribute album)... And if you ask me, I think they released just about a dozen decent songs since the mid-70s...

Dennis released some really good solo material in the late 70s though... Brian's recent stuff is pretty amazing, I think he's currently better than he's ever been since he started his solo carreer in 1987... Al's upcoming solo album is gonna be OK I think... Carl's and Mike's solo albums were absolutely dreadful though... Mike recorded four solo albums in his life, three of them remain unreleased because every single record company rejected them, the one that got released didn't do anything... Mike was definately a very important part of the Beach Boys puzzle, but he's just hopeless without Brian's creative imput...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on December 31, 2008, 04:16:44 PM
Joost, I'm always so impressed by your knowledge of the Beach Boys. You really know everything there is to know about them. Someday I hope to know as much about the Beatles as you do about the Beach Boys.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 31, 2008, 05:45:36 PM
I think it's mostly a sign that I have too much spare time... But thanks anyway!  :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on December 31, 2008, 11:30:51 PM
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The Beach Boys (as a group) actually haven't released any new material since 1992 (apart from backing vocals a country & western tribute album)... And if you ask me, I think they released just about a dozen decent songs since the mid-70s...

Dennis released some really good solo material in the late 70s though... Brian's recent stuff is pretty amazing, I think he's currently better than he's ever been since he started his solo carreer in 1987... Al's upcoming solo album is gonna be OK I think... Carl's and Mike's solo albums were absolutely dreadful though... Mike recorded four solo albums in his life, three of them remain unreleased because every single record company rejected them, the one that got released didn't do anything... Mike was definately a very important part of the Beach Boys puzzle, but he's just hopeless without Brian's creative imput...
you didn't like carl and the passions with a host of peeps????
on a side bar check out alice donut...war pigs SxJMZQw7Gyc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJMZQw7Gyc)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on January 01, 2009, 12:33:57 AM
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Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 01, 2009, 01:02:22 PM
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you didn't like carl and the passions with a host of peeps????

The Carl and the Passions album is from 1972, so that's well before the mid 70s.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on January 01, 2009, 01:36:56 PM
so you can't comment????i'm done..... :-/
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 01, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
What do you want me to comment on? I don't see what's the problem?

I said I think the Beach Boys didn't release much good material after the mid 70s. I like pretty much everything they did before the mid 70s. And that includes "Carl and the Passions", since it's from 1972. It's certainly not one of their best albums and it also lacks in quantity. It's just eight songs, including two, "Here She Comes" and "Hold On Dear Brother", that really aren't Beach Boys songs (they were written and mostly performed by two former members of The Flame, Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar, who both joined The Beach Boys in 1972 and left in 1973 and 1974, respectively).

But the album certainly has a few wonderful songs. "All This Is That" is absolutely stunning and definately one of the group's most underrated songs. "Cuddle Up" is very moving, one of my favorite Dennis Wilson songs. "He Come Down" is fun. "Marcella" is decent and for some reason one of Brian Wilson's personal favorites. I don't really care for the two Chaplin/Fataar songs (I don't really like The Flame either), or "You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone", and "Make It Good" might be my least favorite released Dennis Wilson song.

"Carl and the Passions" is by the way often seen as 'the four singles album': it has two Chaplin/Fataar songs, two Dennis Wilson songs, two songs written by Brian Wilson (who is completely absent as a performer on this album) and manager Jack Rieley and two transcendental meditation-themed song by Mike Love and Al Jardine.

Interesting detail about Chaplin and Fataar: Chaplin has been playing in the Rolling Stones' live band since the 90s and Fataar (although he's originally a drummer) played the 'George Harrison' role in The Rutles.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 01, 2009, 07:02:14 PM
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I really like everything they did.  They are, after all, "An American Band."


([url]http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/music/The_Beach_Boys_1.jpg[/url])

 :)


Hi, can someone name these boys from L-R for me? Especially, I didn't know one of them sang only, no instruments.

And maybe a mini bio for each guy ... Dennis is the drummer, and he died surfing? ... Did another one die too? Is Mike Love the shorter one, and which guys are related?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on January 01, 2009, 07:56:30 PM
nice try peacemaker......god loves you.... ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 01, 2009, 09:39:09 PM
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Hi, can someone name these boys from L-R for me? Especially, I didn't know one of them sang only, no instruments.

And maybe a mini bio for each guy ... Dennis is the drummer, and he died surfing? ... Did another one die too? Is Mike Love the shorter one, and which guys are related?

Thanks!


From left to right: Dennis Wilson, Al Jardine, Carl Wilson, Brian Wilson, Mike Love.

Mike never played an instrument, apart from the theremin on "Good Vibrations" on stage and some occasional notes on his saxophone. Dennis did drown in 1983, but not while surfing. He was drunk and wanted to go diving for some valuable things he'd thrown in the water before where his boat used to lie. He found a silver photo frame, but drowned while looking for more stuff. The other one that died is Carl, he died of lung cancer in 1998. The three Wilsons are brothers, Mike Love is their cousin and Al Jardine was a friend of Brian's from high school.

Bio's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Wilson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jardine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Wilson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Wilson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Love
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Penny Lane on January 06, 2009, 09:22:25 AM
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So yeah, it does sounds like a spectaculair story... Brian Wilson heard "Sgt. Pepper", was so impressed that he freaked out and lost his mental health... But that's a complete myth.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.  I've heard that story pretty much forever.

I'm just a casual Beach Boys listener, but my husband really seems to like Brian Wilson's music.  He just bought "That Lucky Old Sun" two days ago.  He also has "Smile" as well.

BTW, my favorite Beach Boys song is "God Only Knows."
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: J_Moondog on January 07, 2009, 03:09:37 AM
1. God Only Knows
2. Wouldn't It Be Nice
3. Surf's Up
4. The Warmth of the Sun
5. Good Vibrations
6. California Girls
7. Forever
8. Wonderful
9. Darlin'
10. Sail On Sailor

Looking forward to discussing some Beach Boys on here too.  Probably my second favourite band ever after the Beatles.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Penny Lane on January 07, 2009, 04:19:09 AM
Joost, since you're such a big Beach Boys fan, have you ever visited Los Angeles or Southern California in general? (rocknroll)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: J_Moondog on January 07, 2009, 04:51:43 AM
Incidentally, I will also say that while it looks like I will be agreeing with Joost on many things here, I must put in a word for The Beach Boys "Love You", from 1977, and which may be overall the most cohesive Beach Boys project of the 70s (though not necessarily the best - it is definitely eclipsed by "Sunflower").  Certainly it has divided even the most hard core Beach Boys fan, and I fall on the "pro" side.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 07, 2009, 08:02:11 AM
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Joost, since you're such a big Beach Boys fan, have you ever visited Los Angeles or Southern California in general? (rocknroll)

Unfortionately not, I've never been to the USA. But I'd love to go there someday.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 07, 2009, 08:08:54 AM
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Incidentally, I will also say that while it looks like I will be agreeing with Joost on many things here, I must put in a word for The Beach Boys "Love You", from 1977, and which may be overall the most cohesive Beach Boys project of the 70s (though not necessarily the best - it is definitely eclipsed by "Sunflower").  Certainly it has divided even the most hard core Beach Boys fan, and I fall on the "pro" side.

It's not one of my favorite Beach Boys albums, but it's OK. I dislike the instrumentation, it sounds like 80% keyboards, but some of the songs are pretty good. I especially like "Let's Go On This Way" and "The Night Was So Young". And the childlike naivity of the album certainly has it's charm.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on January 07, 2009, 08:57:58 AM
To borrow a line from my sig, Joost, I don't I know anybody else on this planet who knows as much about the Beach Boys as you.  :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 07, 2009, 09:42:32 AM
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I don't I know anybody else on this planet who knows as much about the Beach Boys as you.  :)

Thanks, but there certainly are quite some people who know a hell of a lot more about them than I do. If you check out the Beach Boys forums on the internet, they are all full of hardcore Beach Boys fanatics who know every possible detail... Seriously, this is pretty much the average type of discussion on a Beach Boys forum (I made this particular one up of course, but you'll get the idea):

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Hey guys, what do you think of those home demos that Brian Wilson recorded with his gardener and his cook in March 1976?
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Dude, you've gotta be more specific. Are you talking about the March 6th or the March 8th session?
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According to my sources those sessions actually took place in April.
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I'm willing to believe that, those vocals sound much more like mid 1976 Brian than early 1976 Brian
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You're full of it, EVERYBODY knows that Brian's soundboard broke down in late March and didn't get fixed until early May
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He's right. Get your facts straight man.
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I didn't really like them until I discovered this bootleg that is two generations closer to the master tape, it sounds amazing.
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Oh man, I would die a happy man if we'd ever get an official release of those demos in true stereo.
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I know this guy who has it in stereo
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I highly doubt that, it's probably that duophonic mix with those overdubs that Carl added in 1979 when he was taking a break from the sessions for his first solo album.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on January 07, 2009, 09:49:29 AM
Point taken  ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on January 07, 2009, 03:48:50 PM
LOL! Thanks for that, it was a good laugh.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 08, 2009, 12:14:12 PM
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LOL! Thanks for that, it was a good laugh.

 :)

I'm always a bit torn when I read threads like those. They make me want to slap those people and yell "GET A LIFE! YOU'RE TAKING THINGS WAY TOO SERIOUSLY! JUST ENJOY THE BLOODY MUSIC!", yet at the same time there's this voice in my head that's like "Wow, maybe Brian borrowed someone else's soundboard in April cause it does sound more like mid 1976 Brian... And a stereo mix of that demo would indeed kick some major ass..." ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: roscoe on June 03, 2009, 05:08:29 AM
Since the title of this section says anything that concerns the Beatles, I think the Beach Boys falls into that catagory.

The song I Get Around is unique along with Good Vibes in that there has never been a studio stereo version( that I am aware of) released-- at least until recently. I had to pay $90 for a recent BB singles coll release to get a completely instrumental version of it in stereo-- it is great. I do not know if it was recorded completley inst b4 vocals were added or the vocals have been removed by a process that acc to Rec The Beatles is now poss. As a side benefit I got a stereo version of FFF at the same time. Unfortunately Rhonda and I Can Hear Music remain devoid of any value for the stereo lover as far as I know. BB fans are of course aware of the great stereo live versions avail of I Get Around, Good Vibes, Cal Girls and Wouldn't It Be nice-- I do not care for the studio  stereo version of the last one in particular.  

Another unfortunate experience is that many of the RS early releases are also only mono. I cannot find Tell Me, Off My Cloud, 19th, Satisfaction or Last Time.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 03, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
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I had to pay $90 for a recent BB singles coll release to get a completely instrumental version of it in stereo-- it is great. I do not know if it was recorded completley inst b4 vocals were added or the vocals have been removed by a process that acc to Rec The Beatles is now poss.  

I'm sorry to tell you, but that instrumental version of "I Get Around" has been released before (on the "Good Vibrations - Thirty Years of the Beach Boys" box set in 1993) and is not the original backing track. After the Beach Boys had recorded their live album "Beach Boys Concert" it turned out that some of the songs were not good enough to be released, so they re-recorded them in the studio and overdubbed the crowd noises. The "I Get Around" backing track is from that session.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on June 03, 2009, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: 2121
Since the title of this section says anything that concerns the Beatles, I think the Beach Boys falls into that catagory.

 

I merged it with this thread nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: roscoe on June 03, 2009, 06:05:12 PM
Sorry- I hadn't spotted this section yet.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: roscoe on June 03, 2009, 06:09:43 PM
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I'm sorry to tell you, but that instrumental version of "I Get Around" has been released before (on the "Good Vibrations - Thirty Years of the Beach Boys" box set in 1993) and is not the original backing track. After the Beach Boys had recorded their live album "Beach Boys Concert" it turned out that some of the songs were not good enough to be released, so they re-recorded them in the studio and overdubbed the crowd noises. The "I Get Around" backing track is from that session.
Are you saying that i Get Around stereo version on Beach Boys Concert album is a studio version with the crowd overdubbed? That is not what the album notes say. The notes describe a live concert in Sacto. Also, there is no crowd noise overdub on the inst version.

Thanks to the prev poster for clearing up the question of who is playing the Bari Sax notes on I Get Around-- Mike.

At any rate, I am not aware of a studio stereo vocal version of I Get Around or Good Vibes.

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 04, 2009, 07:10:19 PM
Quote from: 2121
Are you saying that i Get Around stereo version on Beach Boys Concert album is a studio version with the crowd overdubbed?

Yes, that's what it is. Most of the tracks on 'Beach Boys Concert' are real live tracks, but some of the performances weren't good enough so they just re-recorded them in the studio and overdubbed the crowd noises. I know that for a fact, I even have a bootleg of the two concerts in Sacramento as they really were. They're very sloppy. The band didn't play tight and had quite some technical problems.

Quote from: 2121
That is not what the album notes say.

At the time they kept it quiet, of course. If you have to re-record parts of your live album because it's just not good enough, that's pretty embarrassing.

Quote from: 2121
Also, there is no crowd noise overdub on the inst version.

The crowd noises were of course recorded seperataly. Just like the instruments and the vocals were recorded seperately. So they could easily split them.

If you still don't believe me, check here:
http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/gigs64.html
The "Concert" version of 'I Get Around' was recorded on August 31.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: roscoe on June 05, 2009, 10:42:12 PM
It is of course theoretically true that a live recording could receive studio overdubs but I am not buying it. The live rec of I Get Around is missing a guitar solo that is present on the mono studio record and also present on the instrumental studio version. If it was re-recorded in the sudio where is the missing guitar solo?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on June 06, 2009, 02:22:37 AM
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1706/tnrickyn3jpgbt5.gif)watch roscoe...this one thinks he knows it all!!!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 08, 2009, 09:44:43 AM
OK, I did some research and it seems I have to admit I was wrong (how about that, PC?). My apologies.

Regarding the stereo versions of 'I Get Around' and 'Good Vibrations', this is apparently the deal... I hope this will clear everything up.

'I Get Around'

The real live version of 'I Get Around' was, like I said, not good enough to be released on the 'Concert' album. I can send you the real live version from August 1, 1964 in Sacramento if you want to hear it.

The Beach Boys then, like I also said, re-recorded it in the studio.

But that's where I went wrong. After recording six takes of the "new" backing track I was talking about (all six takes been bootlegged on 'Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 6'), the band decided to just record new vocals over the backing track of the original studio version, and add fake live noises.

Apparently some bright spark decided to use the original multi track master tapes for this without making any backups or anything. And in the process, the original vocals were erased from the master tape! So the version that ended up on 'Concert' is the original backing track, remixed from the original multi track master tape (I assume the guitar solo was on a seperate track and left off this version because it sounded too good to be recorded live), with new vocals, and with live sounds added. If you're not buying that, I have a recording of the vocal overdub session that I can also send you.

So the master tape of the original studio version became the master tape of the 'Concert' version. That's why it has been assumed that the released instrumental backing track was not the original backing track but one of the new recordings made for 'Concert'. To be exact: it was Brett Elliott, author of 'Surf's Up: The Beach Boys On Record 1962-1981', who made that claim and since he was considered an authority on all things Beach Boys people took it as a fact.

So the reason why there can never be a stereo mix of 'I Get Around' with vocals: the original vocals have been erased from the master tape and all mixdowns that were ever made were in mono. However, a stereo mix of the 'Concert' version with the "live" sounds stripped off should be possible, I guess.


'Good Vibrations'

The multi track tape of the backing track is still in the archives.

However, the tape that the backing track was transferred to and where the vocals were recorded on has been missing ever since a massive clean-out of the Columbia Studios in 1967.

That's why it's not possible to make a stereo mix of 'Good Vibrations' with vocals. There however is a stereo backing track of 'GV', it was released on a 'GV' 40th anniversary cd-single in 2006. I could send you that as well.


So the original version of 'IGA' being released in stereo is pretty much impossible, 'GV' being released in stereo is highly unlikely.

But then again, you never know. The master tapes of the 'Shut Down Vol. 2' album had been missing since 1964 and turned up in a private collection earlier this year. The newly found master tapes have been used to make new stereo mixes of the songs 'Who Do Fools Fall In Love?' and 'Don't Worry Baby'. Both have been released on the compilation 'Summer Love Songs', which came out about a month ago.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: roscoe on June 08, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
I am confused by the above but am never the less happy with the two versions of I Get Around that I have-- the inst and the live version. We would all like to have a full dimensional studio stereo vocal version but I guess  that is not to be.

Re: GV-- can you link me to where I can purchase the 40th anniversary CD single.

I am most happy with the stereo version of Don't Worry that I have.

Beach Boys Concert(Cap 72435-25933-2-3) has great stereo versions of GV as well as Cal Girls and Wouldn't It Be Nice( I do not care for the studio version of Wouldn't).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: roscoe on June 08, 2009, 10:19:39 PM
OK I found it at Amazon for $.43.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on June 09, 2009, 04:23:21 AM
progress joost!!! ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 09, 2009, 07:28:21 AM
Quote from: 284
progress joost!!! ;)

I may be stubborn, but I'm not unreasonable. ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: fendertele on June 14, 2009, 10:36:56 AM
Been listening to them a lot lately, apart from being a genius a dont think enough can be said for Brian's Vocals he hits those high notes with such ease and it doesnt look forced either.

I was watching a lot of the older live stuff and you can almost hear the guys in the crowd sblack personing when he starts to sing all high pitched for the first time, can it be said he was one the first to sing in falsetto ? way before bee gees etc.....

Ps: favourite BB song is "in my room"
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 15, 2009, 07:28:49 AM
Quote from: 758
can it be said he was one the first to sing in falsetto ?

He definately was not one of the first. Obviously they've been doing it in classical music for centuries. And later on in doo-wop, barbershop en vocal jazz groups. Brian's music may have been revolutionary, but his vocal arrangement surely weren't. Vocally he pretty much just copied The Four Freshmen, and they'd been around since the 40s.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: fendertele on June 15, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
a knew frankie valli ahd been doing it, but i should have said in pop music.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Kevin on June 15, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: 758
a knew frankie valli ahd been doing it, but i should have said in pop music.

Del Shannon (Runaway) ?????
Gene Pitney  ?????
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BlueMeanie on June 15, 2009, 03:11:15 PM
Tiny Tim? And Frankie Valli was pop, wasn't he?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 15, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
I think doo-wop qualifies as pop, doesn't it?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 15, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
Elvis Presley singing falsetto in 1954:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NkLUh_zMP8
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: fendertele on June 15, 2009, 08:26:46 PM
no worries a just wasnt too sure, thought i'd check  ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 17, 2009, 08:51:44 AM
A great Brian Wilson anecdote:

One day, Don Henley of The Eagles met Brian Wilson and asked him to sign an LP for him. Brian took the album and wrote on it, "To a great musician". Then he looked Henley right in the eyes, crossed out the word "great" and wrote "good" above it before returning it. Henley was, obviously, baffled. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on October 08, 2009, 03:16:59 AM
1.  You Still Believe in Me
2.God Only Knows
3. Please Let Me Wonder
4.Surf's Up
5.Surfer Girl
6. Don't Worry Baby
7. Forever
8.Wonderful
9.Fun Fun Fun
10.I Know There's an answer
11.Don't Talk
12. 'Till I Die

In general order I'd say but there are so many of them xD.  I'm a fan of their surfing stuff, those falsetto harmonies always send chils down my spine.

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: breedofrandy on October 08, 2009, 05:19:58 PM
Elvis Presley singing falsetto in 1954:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NkLUh_zMP8[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NkLUh_zMP8[/url])


Love this video!  ;D

Gotta love Elvis!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2009, 06:38:35 PM
Love this video!  ;D

Gotta love Elvis!

I love this song... I was a huge Elvis fan as a kid (well, that's a bit of an understatement - I was so obsessed with his music that my mom actually started to worry about it) and I often played his tapes under the sheets when I was supposed to be asleep. His version of 'Blue Moon' has a very dark and eerie sound to it and I can tell you that when you're 10 years old, alone in your room and listening to this song in total darkness, it can scare the crap out of you...  ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on October 08, 2009, 07:15:19 PM
You're right, Joost, it is very haunting... would be great in a stalker film!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: breedofrandy on October 08, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
I love this song... I was a huge Elvis fan as a kid (well, that's a bit of an understatement - I was so obsessed with his music that my mom actually started to worry about it) and I often played his tapes under the sheets when I was supposed to be asleep. His version of 'Blue Moon' has a very dark and eerie sound to it and I can tell you that when you're 10 years old, alone in your room and listening to this song in total darkness, it can scare the crap out of you...  ;D

WOW! That sounds pretty much how i was a few years back too! I was so obsessed with Elvis! I got all of his CD's from the library, books, I bought little trinkets were ever I saw them. I idolized him! I still think he is amazing! But not to the extent where I would sit around and watch his movies all day long!  ha2ha  My mom got worried about me as well! So I get your story!  ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 27, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
An update on the Beach Boys, in case anyone's interested...

Brian recently signed a two album deal with Walt Disney Records, for an album of George & Ira Gershwin compositions (including two previously unreleased ones given to him by the Gershwin estate) and an album of Disney classics. The Gershwin album is currently being recorded. It's a well-know fact that if Brian's not really into doing something, he'll do it but badly and he'll be a pain in the ass. If he is into something, he's still one of the fastest working and most inspiring people in the business. Word is that so far, the sessions are a breeze. The Disney album should be good too cause Brian seems to really like that stuff. After all, 'Surfer Girl' was based on 'When You Wish Upon A Star'.

Al Jardine's first solo album 'Postcard From California' is starting to become a 'Chinese Democracy' type of thing. Tracklist, cover art and song samples were already posted on his website (www.aljardine.com (http://www.aljardine.com)) a few years ago, but release details are still "coming soon". Should be interesting though. Al's the only Beach Boy who's voice still sounds exactly like it used to, and the album has a lot of really cool guests: 3/4 of CSNY (C, N and Y, to be exact), 2/3 of America (the band, not the continents), Steve Miller, Flea and... Brian Wilson and Mike Love!

The Beach Boys' 50th anniversary is coming up in 2011 and especially Mike seems to be very eager to make the anniversary something special. For the first time in many years there are currently no lawsuits between band members going on and everyone seems to be on speaking therms, so the time seems to be right for the three surviving original Beach Boys (plus David Marks and Bruce Johnston) to share a stage again for the first time since 1997. Only Brian could be a problem, his management (a.k.a. his wife) is a bit over-protective of him and since Mike and Brian have a pretty complex love/hate relationship she seems a bit reluctant to let them work together.

And the long-awaited Smile sessions box set (originally sceduled for 1997)... It's anyone's guess when/if that'll ever come out...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 19, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
And during the time he was working on "Smile", Brian didn't really have a reason to acknowledge that the Beatles were 'greater'. He was one of the few American musicians from the pre-Beatles era to survive the British invasion with his carreer unharmed. His last single "Good Vibrations" had just been a huge hit on both sides of the Atlantic.  The Beach Boys had just beaten the Beatles in a British popularity poll. John Lennon and Paul McCartney considered him a genius.


The American Invasion:

The Beach Boys - Live on Ready Steady Go! 1964 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCYouoLKxjo#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 20, 2010, 01:40:24 AM
^^ You guys are going to turn me into a Beach Boys fan, stop it now!   :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 20, 2010, 02:03:23 AM
Surf's up!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 20, 2010, 02:07:32 AM
Here are The Beach Boys performing Good Vibrations live in 1966.  It was just the second time they performed it live....

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations live in 1966 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOAhTRbVEzc#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 20, 2010, 03:25:36 AM
Well it feels so good!

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations [Alternate Version] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlVxXuWYUlM#normal)

Gotta keep those lovin' good
Vibrations a-happenin' with her

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 22, 2010, 04:44:09 AM
Yeah!

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations (live, Hawaii 1967) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibwmvszqNNI#normal)

S/P Smile sessions    Hawaii 1967


I'm pickin' up good vibrations
She's giving me excitations.....

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on January 22, 2010, 07:39:49 PM
On par as being as good as the Beatles. Long live Brian Wilson!

Surf's up boys
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 22, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
Yeah!

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations (live, Hawaii 1967) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibwmvszqNNI#normal[/url])

S/P Smile sessions    Hawaii 1967


I'm pickin' up good vibrations
She's giving me excitations.....




There's an interesting story behind this concert in Hawaii in 1967. It was recorded because it was supposed to be released as a live album called 'Lei'd In Hawaii', but due to technical problems and weak performances the recordings weren't good enough. So the Beach Boys booked a studio in Los Angeles and re-recorded their "live" set with the intention of adding crowd noises later and passing it as a live album. It never came out, but several recordings from that studio session have been released through the years on various rarities compilations. At first these recordings were presented as pre-show rehearsals (cause they didn't want people to know that they were planning to release a fake live album cause the real thing wasn't good enough), but the truth is now common knowledge.

'Lei'd In Hawaii' would've been special because the group performed without backing musicians and without Bruce Johnston (but with Brian, who'd sometimes perform with the band on special occasions). So it's just the original five-piece line-up and it's interesting to hear complex songs like 'Good Vibrations' and 'Heroes And Villains' performed with just four instruments (Brian on keys, Al on bass, Carl on guitar and Dennis on drums).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 23, 2010, 04:53:11 AM
There's an interesting story behind this concert in Hawaii in 1967. It was recorded because it was supposed to be released as a live album called 'Lei'd In Hawaii', but due to technical problems and weak performances the recordings weren't good enough. So the Beach Boys booked a studio in Los Angeles and re-recorded their "live" set with the intention of adding crowd noises later and passing it as a live album. It never came out, but several recordings from that studio session have been released through the years on various rarities compilations. At first these recordings were presented as pre-show rehearsals (cause they didn't want people to know that they were planning to release a fake live album cause the real thing wasn't good enough), but the truth is now common knowledge.

'Lei'd In Hawaii' would've been special because the group performed without backing musicians and without Bruce Johnston (but with Brian, who'd sometimes perform with the band on special occasions). So it's just the original five-piece line-up and it's interesting to hear complex songs like 'Good Vibrations' and 'Heroes And Villains' performed with just four instruments (Brian on keys, Al on bass, Carl on guitar and Dennis on drums).


Thank you, Joost.  And you just gave me an idea for a much-deserved present for myself.  The "Lei'd In Hawaii" rehearsal sessions CD is available here (as a CDR, but that's OK).  I'll order it tomorrow.

In the interim....

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2WWw7nMhw4#normal)

Brian Wilson - Good Vibrations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1GXdk_W4M0&feature=related#normal)


Your comments, as always, are appreciated Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 23, 2010, 04:54:46 AM
Surf's up boys

For sure!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 23, 2010, 05:14:06 AM
Thank you, Joost.  And you just gave me an idea for a much-deserved present for myself.  The "Lei'd In Hawaii" rehearsal sessions CD is available here (as a CDR, but that's OK).  I'll order it tomorrow.

In the interim....

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2WWw7nMhw4#normal[/url])

Brian Wilson - Good Vibrations ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1GXdk_W4M0&feature=related#normal[/url])


Your comments, as always, are appreciated Joost.


First vid - doesn't go with the sound ... can hear Brian, but he's not there, and some harmony "Bop-m-bop"s are heard but not sung at that time. Seen a few vids here of "live" Good Vibrations, but none of them have video matching the audio. Are there any live vids of "Good Vibrations", i.e., on stage? P.S. - who's playing piano back there, looks familiar?

Smile Vibrations - is it all Brian on vox/instruments? Is it the new Smile just released, or is it an outtake from the 60s Smile that (?) never got fully finished/released?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 23, 2010, 05:31:42 AM
Alexis, the first video is just a "music video" they did in 1967.  Dennis Wilson is having a good time miming the tambourine.  Bruce Johnston is playing the organ.  This is an interesting mix with the Jew's harp at 1:43.

There are a few live videos of Good Vibrations on YouTube, but none from the 60s.  I like this one from 1976.  Brian Wilson appeared on stage....

The beach boys -good vibrations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2gZMNkyJo#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 23, 2010, 05:33:37 AM
Smile Vibrations - is it all Brian on vox/instruments? Is it the new Smile just released, or is it an outtake from the 60s Smile that (?) never got fully finished/released?
Thanks!

It's the final track on the new Smile.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 23, 2010, 12:00:58 PM
A cool fact about Good Vibrations: Carl obviously sings lead on the verses, but the high notes are not him. "I hear the sound of a..." is Brian, and "...gentle word" is Carl again. "When I look..." is Brian, "...in her eyes" is Carl again. Brian was such a perfectionist at the time, if he thought a vocal from one of the other members was less than perfect he'd just do it himself. On all later live versions Carl effortlessly does the high notes, but you've got to remember that GV was only Carl's 5th ever lead vocal and he was still only 19 years old. On a sidenote: on the slow part ("Gotta keep those loving good vibrations a-happering with her"), Dennis plays the organ part.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 23, 2010, 12:10:31 PM
It's the final track on the new Smile.

It is, but the remarkable thing is that it's mostly based on a version of GV that pre-dates the familiar hit version. The original GV lyrics were written by Mike Love, Tony Asher and Brian, on the hit version all Asher's lyrics were ditched and replaced by new lyrics by Mike. For some reason Brian decided to use the original lyrics for his 2004 version. Mike obviously didn't like that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 23, 2010, 07:19:17 PM
Right, Joost.  This is that early take of Good Vibrations in 1966...

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations (Early Take) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YczfjGpywzw#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 24, 2010, 01:31:49 AM
Alexis, the first video is just a "music video" they did in 1967.  Dennis Wilson is having a good time miming the tambourine.  Bruce Johnston is playing the organ.  This is an interesting mix with the Jew's harp at 1:43.

There are a few live videos of Good Vibrations on YouTube, but none from the 60s.  I like this one from 1976.  Brian Wilson appeared on stage....

The beach boys -good vibrations ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2gZMNkyJo#normal[/url])


Thanks, nice!

Saw Paul and Linda at Brian's 34th birthday party in there briefly. Neat!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 24, 2010, 02:08:04 AM
OK, this has the signs of something that could easily get out of hand.

I just read the (very) long wiki article on the Beach Boys. Good info for the unitiated.

Mike Love - is he bad, or just drawn that way? By the way, is he much older than the others?

So sad that Brian lost his two brothers.

Bruce Johnston is pretty amazing!

Wonder why Pet Sounds didn't sell lots?

Anyway, thanks for posting all that!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2010, 05:30:24 AM
Wonder why Pet Sounds didn't sell lots?


It did!  Pet Sounds went gold and platinum in 2000.   

(http://loser.miniwini.com/album/images/Beach.Boys.-.Pet.Sounds.01.jpg)


God Only Knows
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 24, 2010, 12:28:45 PM
Mike Love - is he bad, or just drawn that way?
A lot of Beach Boys fan don't like him, but I don't think he's as much of a bad guy as some people like to think. People dislike him for his lame sense of humor, because he's usually far from humble in interviews and because he often gave Brian and Dennis a hard time. But then again, I'm sure Brian and Dennis were often impossible to deal with. Even Carl got fed up with them in the mid/late 70s.

By the way, is he much older than the others?
Mike is 68 now, Brian and Al are 67, Dennis would've been 65 now and Carl 63.

Bruce Johnston is pretty amazing!
Then why are his solo albums almost unlistenable?

Wonder why Pet Sounds didn't sell lots?
It did, it went to #2 in the UK and #10 in the US. But the previous Beach Boys albums all did better in the US, so it was a commercial failure but only relatively. I guess it just wasn't the music that people expected or wanted to hear from the Beach Boys.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 24, 2010, 01:56:17 PM
Quote from: alexis
Bruce Johnston seems incredible ...
...
Then why are his solo albums almost unlistenable?
...

I can't answer that, but, from his Wiki page:

Arranged and played a Billboard top 10 song while in high school; started a record production career one year later, and wound up producing a million seller "Hey Little Cobra"; wrote Billboard #1 song "I Write the Songs", covered by Barry Manilow, Frank Sinatra, and has sold 25 million records of it; wrote backing vocals and sang on recording of Elton John "Don't Let the Son go Down on Me" and Pink Floyd's "The Wall"; only Beach Boy with a Song of the Year Grammy.

He's shown he's got the writing chops, and the producing chops, why do you think he's dropped the ball on his solo work, Joost? Anyway, I'll definitely try before I buy when it comes to his solo stuff - thanks!

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 24, 2010, 05:06:47 PM
It is impressive that Bruce was working as a professional songwriter and producer while still in his teens (although it should be noted that Bruce comes from a filthy rich family, so he could probably have done any job he wanted to do), but I think he threw away his abilities because he just stopped being creative once he joined the Beach Boys in 1965.

If you look at what he's done musically in the last 45 years, since 1965, it really isn't much. He toured and recorded as a member of The Beach Boys from 1965 until 1972 and from 1979 until the present day, but wrote no more than seven songs for them in all those years. He released just one solo album (during his seven year absence from the group), consisting almost entirely of lame re-recordings of his best known songs, and a few covers. He wrote just one hit song ('I Write The Songs'). And he sang backups on a few albums by other artists. That's pretty much it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on January 24, 2010, 08:57:21 PM
So did Pet Sounds go platinum in 2000 "finally" or did a new release of a CD or something push it to that?  If it is the former, then, wow.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on January 24, 2010, 09:00:41 PM
It is impressive that Bruce was working as a professional songwriter and producer while still in his teens (although it should be noted that Bruce comes from a filthy rich family, so he could probably have done any job he wanted to do), but I think he threw away his abilities because he just stopped being creative once he joined the Beach Boys in 1965.

If you look at what he's done musically in the last 45 years, since 1965, it really isn't much. He toured and recorded as a member of The Beach Boys from 1965 until 1972 and from 1979 until the present day, but wrote no more than seven songs for them in all those years. He released just one solo album (during his seven year absence from the group), consisting almost entirely of lame re-recordings of his best known songs, and a few covers. He wrote just one hit song ('I Write The Songs'). And he sang backups on a few albums by other artists. That's pretty much it.

That's interesting, and kind of sad. Why do you think that is? Did he lose his ambition once he joined the group? Maybe he felt like his work as a songwriter wasn't needed with the other great songwriters in the band.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 24, 2010, 09:05:14 PM
^^ I mean another way to look at it is maybe the muse left him  :'( . He did write a #1 Grammy, he'll always have that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on January 24, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
Oh damn, never thought of that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 24, 2010, 09:28:38 PM
That's interesting, and kind of sad. Why do you think that is? Did he lose his ambition once he joined the group? Maybe he felt like his work as a songwriter wasn't needed with the other great songwriters in the band.

Oh, he was definately needed as a songwriter. After 1967, Brian became less and less productive as a songwriter and none of the other members really wrote songs yet. Dennis didn't start writing songs until 1968, Carl and Al wrote their first proper songs in 1970/1971. Mike pretty much always sticked to writing lyrics.

I think Bruce has never really been very ambitious as a musician. When The Beatles quit, George released a three disc solo album. When Bruce left The Beach Boys in 1972, it took him five years to release a solo album and it consisted almost entirely of re-recorded older material. That should say something.

I don't think you should feel sad for Bruce Johnston at all. Like I said, the guy's always been very rich. The money he inherited from his parents is more than any of the other Beach Boys ever made with their music. I think being a Beach Boy has always been mostly a cool hobby to him.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2010, 09:54:09 PM
It did, it went to #2 in the UK and #10 in the US. But the previous Beach Boys albums all did better in the US, so it was a commercial failure but only relatively. I guess it just wasn't the music that people expected or wanted to hear from the Beach Boys.

That sums it up very well, Joost.  Just the way The Beatles were maturing in their music during 1965 and 1966, so were The Beach Boys.  I first noticed the change in 1964 with Wendy and in 1965 with When I Grow Up, California Girls and The Little Girl I Once Knew.  I welcomed the change from surf music as I was maturing too.  But I remember the disappointment of many with The Beach Boys at that time.  Times were changing in the mid-60s.  The Beach Boys tried their hardest to change too.  Perhaps if Brian Wilson had the benefits of medications we have today, things would have been different.  We certainly would not have waited 38 years for SMiLE.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 24, 2010, 10:08:05 PM
Perhaps if Brian Wilson had the benefits of medications we have today, things would have been different.  We certainly would not have waited 38 years for SMiLE.

I think Brian's main problem was that his band wasn't too willing to evolve with him. While he was writing 'Smile', the other guys were still touring in their matching striped shirts, playing songs like 'Barbara Ann' and 'Little Deuce Coupe'.

Imagine this: John Lennon steps into the studio and plays his latest composition 'Strawberry Fields Forever' to Paul, George and Ringo. And they're like "Wow, John. That's really... ehm... different. But, uhm... People seemed to dig 'Please Please Me' and 'I Want To Hold Your Hand', so why not just write another song like that?". That's pretty much the position Brian was in, I guess. I think that was the biggest problem of all.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 24, 2010, 10:28:58 PM
I think Brian's main problem was that his band wasn't too willing to evolve with him. While he was writing 'Smile', the other guys were still touring in their matching striped shirts, playing songs like 'Barbara Ann' and 'Little Deuce Coupe'.

Imagine this: John Lennon steps into the studio and plays his latest composition 'Strawberry Fields Forever' to Paul, George and Ringo. And they're like "Wow, John. That's really... ehm... different. But, uhm... People seemed to dig 'Please Please Me' and 'I Want To Hold Your Hand', so why not just write another song like that?". That's pretty much the position Brian was in, I guess.  think that was the biggest problem of all.

I guess without songwriting competition, like John and Paul had with each other, these things may be more likely to happen.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 25, 2010, 12:00:34 AM
Re: the songwriting: I've never looked at Brian Wilson's chords in detail, but I do know that as I listen, I am constantly "surprised", with chords that always seem unusual for the key of the song.

In this sense, I think his writing style reminds me more of John's, than Paul's.

You BB fans, how do you like to characterize Brian's writing?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2010, 12:49:29 AM
I think Brian's main problem was that his band wasn't too willing to evolve with him. While he was writing 'Smile', the other guys were still touring in their matching striped shirts, playing songs like 'Barbara Ann' and 'Little Deuce Coupe'.

That's right, Joost.  That was Mike Love being a pragmatist.  The Beatles were touring too at the time.  And that was Brian Epstein being a pragmatist.  

Ultimately The Beatles, all four of them, had their way and concentrated on time in the studio.  The Beach Boys went on touring.  But we here liked that.  They came to be a Fourth of July institution in Washington DC.  They continued giving their fans what they wanted for years.  

As for me,  it hurt to see Dennis Wilson pass on and not see him on stage or see him develop on his own.  Carl Wilson's passing marked the end of The Beach Boys as we knew them.  It was a great 37 years.  

It could have been even greater.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2010, 01:24:08 AM
Re: the songwriting: I've never looked at Brian Wilson's chords in detail, but I do know that as I listen, I am constantly "surprised", with chords that always seem unusual for the key of the song.

In this sense, I think his writing style reminds me more of John's, than Paul's.

You BB fans, how do you like to characterize Brian's writing?


Alexis, I would say Brian Wilson's writing style was unique.  Where else would you get a 45 RPM record with the A-side Be True to Your School and the B-side In My Room?

There's an out-of-production LP by The Beach Boys called Stack-O-Tracks.  It's 15 backing tracks, without vocals and harmonies, of their early hits.  It's now available again in a paired CD with Beach Boys Party!  It's amazing to listen to these tracks without the vocals.  You gain a true appreciation of Brian Wilson's genius.


beach boys- california girls (instrumental) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ucfBV3X8g#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2010, 01:43:23 AM
Here's another...

beach boys- wouldnt it be nice (instrumental) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZTrNg93SpU#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2010, 03:06:54 AM
I first noticed the change in 1964 with Wendy and in 1965 with.....The Little Girl I Once Knew.


Beach Boys Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#normal)

The The Beach Boys - The Little Girl I Once Knew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XolOuPK4PsY#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 25, 2010, 07:24:41 AM
Re: the songwriting: I've never looked at Brian Wilson's chords in detail, but I do know that as I listen, I am constantly "surprised", with chords that always seem unusual for the key of the song.

In pretty much every interview I've read from people who recorded with Brian (from the session musicians he used in the 60s to the members of his current band), they mention how the chords they were given often didn't seem to make any sense at all on paper, but that when they played them it seemed like they were the most logical chords possible.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 25, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
A few details you can listen for in Beach Boys songs:

- During the second 'Who Ran The Iron Horse?' section of 'Cabinessence', if you listen closely you can hear Dennis softly singing entirely different lyrics in the background. It sounds a bit spooky once you notice it (the lyric he sings is "Truck driving man do what you can / High-tail your load off the road / Out of night-life-it's a gas man / I don't believe I gotta grieve / In and out of luck / With a buck and a booth / Catchin' on to the truth / In the vast past, the last gasp / In the land, in the dust, trust that you must / Catch as catch can").

- If you listen closely to the fade of 'All I Want To Do' (not to be confused with 'All I Wanna Do') you can hear Dennis having sex with a prostitute in the studio. I know this sounds like it's probably some kind of urban legend, but it's been confirmed by long-time Beach Boys engineer Stephen Desper, who recorded the "session".

- On the fade of the single version of 'Do It Again', you can hear workshop noises. These were originally recorded for a 'Smile' track called 'Workshop'. They're really out of place in 'Do It Again', but the group figured "Hey, we payed for the session to have these sounds recorded so we might as well just use 'em somewhere".

- Carl Wilson sings lead on 'God Only Knows', but he's not on the final section of the song ("God only knows what I'd be without you") cause he was tired and went home. The three voices you hear there are Brian twice, and Bruce.

- During the "Sometimes I feel very sad" part of 'I Just Wasn't Made For These Times', you can hear the background vocals singing "Can't find nothin' I can put my heart and soul into". But if you listen very closely, you can also hear different backing vocals singing "Cuando será? Un dia será". Sounds very distant and ghostly and you probably won't even notice them unless you know they're there.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on January 25, 2010, 02:15:50 PM
A few details you can listen for in Beach Boys songs:

- During the second 'Who Ran The Iron Horse?' section of 'Cabinessence', if you listen closely you can hear Dennis softly singing entirely different lyrics in the background. It sounds a bit spooky once you notice it (the lyric he sings is "Truck driving man do what you can / High-tail your load off the road / Out of night-life-it's a gas man / I don't believe I gotta grieve / In and out of luck / With a buck and a booth / Catchin' on to the truth / In the vast past, the last gasp / In the land, in the dust, trust that you must / Catch as catch can").

- If you listen closely to the fade of 'All I Want To Do' (not to be confused with 'All I Wanna Do') you can hear Dennis having sex with a prostitute in the studio. I know this sounds like it's probably some kind of urban legend, but it's been confirmed by long-time Beach Boys engineer Stephen Desper, who recorded the "session".

That sounds almost unbelievable. Why were they rolling while that was happening??! XD

- On the fade of the single version of 'Do It Again', you can hear workshop noises. These were originally recorded for a 'Smile' track called 'Workshop'. They're really out of place in 'Do It Again', but the group figured "Hey, we payed for the session to have these sounds recorded so we might as well just use 'em somewhere".

- Carl Wilson sings lead on 'God Only Knows', but he's not on the final section of the song ("God only knows what I'd be without you") cause he was tired and went home. The three voices you hear there are Brian twice, and Bruce.

- During the "Sometimes I feel very sad" part of 'I Just Wasn't Made For These Times', you can hear the background vocals singing "Can't find nothin' I can put my heart and soul into". But if you listen very closely, you can also hear different backing vocals singing "Cuando será? Un dia será". Sounds very distant and ghostly and you probably won't even notice them unless you know they're there.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 25, 2010, 02:27:16 PM
Quote
That sounds almost unbelievable. Why were they rolling while that was happening??! XD
Desper and Dennis were alone in the studio when Dennis got the idea. So he took a hooker off the street, asked Desper to turn the microphones on and did it with her. I have no idea why. I like to think that he passed the bill for the services of the "backing vocalist" to his record company.  ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on January 25, 2010, 02:43:31 PM
Here are The Beach Boys performing Good Vibrations live


Another one. And who's there at 1.40?

The beach boys -good vibrations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2gZMNkyJo#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2010, 11:37:19 PM
I think that's Stella, Cor.  She went along on the Wings Over America Tour in 1976.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 26, 2010, 12:06:50 AM
So did Pet Sounds go platinum in 2000 "finally" or did a new release of a CD or something push it to that?  If it is the former, then, wow.

Either way, it took a long time.  It's a shame that Dennis and Carl never saw that day.

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 26, 2010, 12:21:52 AM
Surfin' Safari  Take 5

Beach Boys - Surfin Safari - Session - 1961 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2iqrZLHfrU#normal)

:)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 26, 2010, 03:44:24 AM
In pretty much every interview I've read from people who recorded with Brian (from the session musicians he used in the 60s to the members of his current band), they mention how the chords they were given often didn't seem to make any sense at all on paper, but that when they played them it seemed like they were the most logical chords possible.

I can easily believe this. My low-middle level of musical ability is such that if a song sounds out of key a bit, and I can't get it in one or two tries, it's probably got a few chords that are not typical of rock/pop music. Just about every Beach Boys song seems to have some kind of twist, a modulation to a different key or two. I would bet that's what Paul liked about them the best, or at least what caught his ear initially the most ( 2ch , I seemed to have turned into Paul's mind reader!).

For example - California Girls - putting aside the immediate unusual change in the verse from the 1st chord to the 2nd ... :

well EAST coast girls are hip, I really
DIG the clothes they wear ...

... the intro just before the 1st verse has, like, HOW many chords out of key from the verse?

WOW!

BTW - I read on Wiki that this song was written in the middle of Brian's first acid trip in 1965, then he and Mike Love finished it the next AM.

By the way - are there any photos of Mike Love when he WASN'T balding? Like when he was ten? That orange picture of them all with a surfboard in one of the youtubes above, where they looked like they were barely 13, he STILL looks balding!

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on January 26, 2010, 04:50:07 AM
I've noticed that too about their chords changes. Many times they seem very simple I-V-IV chord progressions like in "Catch a Wave" during the verses but how the introdcution goes    Key of D Major
                                           V       III                     IV          V             I
                                         Catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world

How that F chord comes right after the A is so subtle that it seems that it still is A (if you just keep A it fits, but if you do the F chord you can notice the subtle, smooth melody change).

"Fun, Fun, Fun" is very similar with it's deployment of F right before the instrumental break.  "Little Deuce Coupe" is similar, etc.

Brian has countless examples of this.  Picking out Beach Boy songs as compared to Beatles songs is tricky. Whereas the Beatles had weird chords at times and sometimes controversial i.e. "Hard Day's Night"'s opening ching. The Beach Boys usually had some tricky chords as Alexis points out.  I think he's amazing and very unappreciated.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 26, 2010, 05:01:25 AM
I've noticed that too about their chords changes. Many times they seem very simple I-V-IV chord progressions like in "Catch a Wave" during the verses but how the introdcution goes    Key of D Major
                                           V       III                     IV          V             I
                                         Catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world

How that F chord comes right after the A is so subtle that it seems that it still is A (if you just keep A it fits, but if you do the F chord you can notice the subtle, smooth melody change).

"Fun, Fun, Fun" is very similar with it's deployment of F right before the instrumental break.  "Little Deuce Coupe" is similar, etc.

Brian has countless examples of this.  Picking out Beach Boy songs as compared to Beatles songs is tricky. Whereas the Beatles had weird chords at times and sometimes controversial i.e. "Hard Day's Night"'s opening ching. The Beach Boys usually had some tricky chords as Alexis points out.  I think he's amazing and very unappreciated.

Who me? Why thank you, that is awfully nice of you to notice, and to say!!

Oh ...  :-[  ;sorry ha2ha ha2ha

But thanks anyway for the examples. Fun!

You wouldn't by any chance have the chords to the intro of "California Girls" handy, would you? It would save me a bit of time that's a bit short nowadays ...  :D

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 26, 2010, 05:06:42 AM
Try this, Alexis:  B, B, A, A, Em/B, Em/A
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 26, 2010, 09:42:17 AM
By the way - are there any photos of Mike Love when he WASN'T balding? Like when he was ten? That orange picture of them all with a surfboard in one of the youtubes above, where they looked like they were barely 13, he STILL looks balding!


David and Carl were 14 and 15 on those photos, but Mike was 21 (and already a father of two).

Mike Love in high school:
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/beachboysfanforever/RrJbtcq5riI/AAAAAAAABxc/1pxX-YaXQoQ/3e_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on January 26, 2010, 04:18:49 PM
David and Carl were 14 and 15 on those photos, but Mike was 21 (and already a father of two).

Mike Love in high school:
([url]http://lh5.ggpht.com/beachboysfanforever/RrJbtcq5riI/AAAAAAAABxc/1pxX-YaXQoQ/3e_1.jpg[/url])


Joost - you wrote David ... I didn't know there was a David ... did you mean Brian? That didn't look exactly like Al Jardine in front center, was there a David before Al?

Also - how did a 21 year old get to be hanging with these little kids? And (salacious interest here only) - was he married to the mom of his 2 kids?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on January 26, 2010, 04:32:54 PM
He was their cousin.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on January 26, 2010, 05:07:43 PM
Who me? Why thank you, that is awfully nice of you to notice, and to say!!

Oh ...  :-[  ;sorry ha2ha ha2ha

But thanks anyway for the examples. Fun!

You wouldn't by any chance have the chords to the intro of "California Girls" handy, would you? It would save me a bit of time that's a bit short nowadays ...  :D

Thanks!

I've always played it as:

B   A   E  F#   B for the verses

B   C#m7   A   Bm7  G  Am7

etc
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 26, 2010, 05:40:55 PM
Joost - you wrote David ... I didn't know there was a David ... did you mean Brian? That didn't look exactly like Al Jardine in front center, was there a David before Al?

The original line up of the Beach Boys was Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike and Al. Al quit after the first single (Surfin b/w Luau), cause he wanted to become a dentist. He was replaced by David Marks, a 14 year old neighbor who was friends with Carl (sidenote: Carl and David both got their guitar lessons from another neighbor, John "Walker" Maus, who later became a core member of The Walker Brothers). Al came back after a year so the band was a six-piece for a few weeks and then David quit after a fallout with Murry (the Wilson's dad, then the band's manager). David was in the band for just a little over a year but they worked so fast at the time that he was on their first four albums (Surfin' Safari, Surfin' USA, Surfer Girl and Little Deuce Coupe). After he'd quit David spend pretty much the rest of his life trying to get back into the spotlights and battling drug addictions. He briefly rejoined The Beach Boys from 1997 until 1999 as Carl's replacement. The last few years he's been doing well. There's a book about his life called 'The Lost Beach Boy' (by Jon Stebbins, who also write Dennis's biography 'The Real Beach Boy'). Even if you're not a huge Beach Boys fan it's really a fascinating story.

Also - how did a 21 year old get to be hanging with these little kids? And (salacious interest here only) - was he married to the mom of his 2 kids?

Mike is just one year older than Brian and Al. Brian, Carl and Dennis are his cousins. So it's not that weird.

Mike accidentally got his girlfriend knocked up and was forced by his parents to marry her. Their marriage lasted for just two years. Mike is currently with his 5th wife and has (at least) 9 children. His daughter Shawn became Dennis's fifth wife (making Mike his cousin's father-in-law). His son Christian is a member of the current incarnation of The Beach Boys - his voice sounds amazingly similar to Carl's. He also has a son named Brian.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 02, 2010, 05:20:48 AM
Joost, for the Beach Boy reunion concert, what do you think the lineup will be?  I'm guessing Brian on keyboard now since he seems more comfortable behind it although I'd rather see him playin his Fender lol.  Bruce on bass, Mike as usual, Al and David on guitar?  And some fill in for drums.  I hope it's an amazing come back though. I'd hate to see it become a cabaret performance where the audience particiaptes more than the band. I cringe when I hear renditions of "Help Me Rhonda" with more audience singing than the band.  I dig hearing the Andy Williams show version of the song where it's all of them.  Just a bone I have to pick when older bands play. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 02, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
It's uncertain if there will ever be a reunion concert. Mike definately wants to do it. Bruce has tourned with Mike non-stop since 1979 and Dave still sees Mike as one of his best friends, so no doubt they'll be there too. But if Mike wants Brian and Al to be there, he'll have to do some serious ass kissing. Brian has said on a few occasions that he'll never go on stage with Mike again, but that doesn't say much cause he's known to change his mind all the time. I think Brian's in if Mike manages to get Brian's wife Melinda on his side. Melinda also acts as Brian's manager and minder (whenever someone asks Brian why he made a certain decision the answer's usually "Because my wife thought it was a good idea") and she's quite hesitant to let Brian get envolved with Mike again cause Brian has a very fragile personality while Mike can be very dominant. She just thinks Brian's better off as a solo artist. And Al, I'm sure he'd love to do a reunion concert but since Mike kicked him out of the band twelve years ago, he'll probably play hard to get.

If they'd do a reunion concert they would definately have to use a backing band. But which one? The old backing musicians (some of whom have toured with the band for up to 30 years)? Mike's band (the band that currently tours as "The Beach Boys")? Or Brian's band (the band that Paul McCartney once called "the best live band in the business")? That might be the biggest problem of all, to pick a backing band without stepping on too many egos.

If you'd ask me, this should be the line-up:

Vocals: Brian, Mike, Al, Dave, Bruce, Jeff Foskett (toured with The Beach Boys for 20 years and with Brian's current band for 10 years, often doubles Brian's vocals on stage and does the high notes that he can't reach anymore), Christian Love (Mike's son, currently tours with his dad and sounds an awful lot like Carl) and maybe Adam and/or Matt Jardine (Al's sons, toured with The Beach Boys when their dad was still in the group).

Guitars: Al, Dave and Jeff Foskett.

Bass: Ed Carter ('Steady Eddy", toured with The Beach Boys from the late 60s until the late 90s).

Drums: Dennis's son Carl B. Wilson plays drums (he's in a band with Carl's son Justyn), but I'm not familiar with their music so I don't know how good he is. If he can't do it, they should probably use Mike D'Amico (drummer of Brian's band) or John Cowsill (original member of The Cowsills, currently the drummer of Mike's Beach Boys and also a great singer)

Keyboards: since Brian's and Bruce's keyboards usually aren't plugged in on stage, they should get Darian Sahanaja (member and musical director of Brian's current band) and Scott Bennett (also from Brian's band, he can play pretty much every instrument).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 03, 2010, 08:05:11 AM
Brian and Al at the recording of the new version of 'We Are The World':
(http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/96342668.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5F8362B697CCA06FCFE4D5609E3A1735B45A2161C52974962)

Al with Kanye West...  :)
(http://www.rap-up.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/watw-17.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 03, 2010, 09:17:58 PM
Brian and Al at the recording of the new version of 'We Are The World':
([url]http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/96342668.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5F8362B697CCA06FCFE4D5609E3A1735B45A2161C52974962[/url])

Al with Kanye West...  :)
([url]http://www.rap-up.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/watw-17.jpg[/url])


From when? I haven't read about this. Could you explain it?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 03, 2010, 09:25:59 PM
2 Or 3 days ago I believe. For Haiti.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 04, 2010, 11:21:28 AM
Quote
We Are the World: 25 for Haiti

Prior to the earthquake, Quincy Jones and Lionel Richie had planned to organize a re-recording of "We Are the World" on January 28, 2010 — the 25th anniversary of the original recording of the song. However, due to the devastation caused in Haiti, these plans were postponed.[87] The new version of the song was recorded on February 1, 2010. Over 75 musicians were involved in the recording, which was held in the same place as the original. Also similar to the 1985 process, some of the participating musicians were already in Los Angeles to attend an awards ceremony: the 52nd Grammy Awards.[88] The new version will feature updated lyrics and music, as well as a rap segment pertaining to Haiti.[88][89] According to Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson's younger sister Janet will take her late brother's part in the song.[90] The production team for the song include RedOne and musical director Ricky Minor. Haitian-American musician Wyclef Jean will also serve as a producer.[88]

At the time of the recording, numerous artists commented on the process, the 1985 version of the song and co-writer Michael Jackson. R&B singer Jordin Sparks revealed that despite being born after the release of the original, the song had a "huge impact" on her.[90] Canadian songstress Celine Dion express that the release of the song would not only benefit the Haitian people, but also serve as a remembrance of "the passion [Michael] Jackson had for helping those in need".[90] Lionel Richie and Quincy Jones echoed Dion's sentiments and further stated that if the singer were alive, he would have wanted to be just as involved as he had been a quarter of a century ago.[90]

Artists involved
The following artists involved were made public by the 2010 "We Are the World" organizers:[88][90]

Akon
Lady Gaga
India.Arie
Patti Austin
Tony Bennett
Justin Bieber
Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
Ethan Bortnick
Brandy
Jeff Bridges
Toni Braxton
Zac Brown
Kristian Bush
Natalie Cole
Harry Connick Jr.
Kid Cudi
Miley Cyrus
Celine Dion
Snoop Dogg
Drake
Earth Wind & Fire
Faith Evans
Melanie Fiona
Jamie Foxx
Sean Garrett
Tyrese Gibson
Josh Groban
Anthony Hamilton
Keri Hilson
Julianne Hough
Jennifer Hudson
Enrique Iglesias
LL Cool J
Janet Jackson
Randy Jackson
Taj Jackson
Taryll Jackson
TJ Jackson
Al Jardine
Joe Jonas
Kevin Jonas
Jonas
Rashida Jones
Gladys Knight
Adam Levine
Jimmy Jean-Louis
Benji Madden
Joel Madden
Mary Mary
Katharine McPhee
Jason Mraz
Mýa
Jennifer Nettles
Orianthi
Freda Payne
P!nk
A. R. Rahman
Nicole Richie
Raphael Saadiq
Carlos Santana
Nicole Scherzinger
Isaac Slade
Trey Songz
Musiq Soulchild
Jordin Sparks
Barbra Streisand
T-Pain
Robin Thicke
Rob Thomas
Usher
Vince Vaughn
Lil Wayne
Kanye West
Will.i.am
Ann Wilson
Brian Wilson
Nancy Wilson
BeBe Winans
Britney Spears
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 06, 2010, 11:16:15 PM
Coincident to this discussion, WCBS-FM has been playing about four Beach Boys songs an hour the past several days.  It's nice hearing their vocals and rich harmonies.  I've always liked sibling harmony.

Help Me Rhonda alternate single version - The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN_t2gPpGDs#normal)

Joost, what's the story behind this alternate mix?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 12:11:15 AM
Coincident to this discussion, WCBS-FM has been playing about four Beach Boys songs an hour the past several days.  It's nice hearing their vocals and rich harmonies.  I've always liked sibling harmony.

Help Me Rhonda alternate single version - The Beach Boys ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN_t2gPpGDs#normal[/url])

Joost, what's the story behind this alternate mix?


Me too. Everly Brothers. Andrews Sisters (seriously). Lennon and McCartney - may as well have been sibs!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 07, 2010, 12:18:56 AM
On par as being as good as the Beatles. Long live Brian Wilson!

Surf's up boys


Right!  Recorded or live, they sound great...

The Beach Boys-Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cts5R6sIQ#normal)

Beach Boys Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 12:28:24 AM
Right!  Recorded or live, they sound great...


Beach Boys high harmony at 27-30 seconds:

The Beach Boys-Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cts5R6sIQ#normal)
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Beatles high harmony at 37-41 seconds:
The Beatles - Because (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE5f4hVMCew#normal)

Coincidence, or influence? 

 :D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 07, 2010, 12:31:46 AM
Me too. Everly Brothers. Andrews Sisters (seriously). Lennon and McCartney - may as well have been sibs!

Alexis, I was thinking of The Everly Brothers and The Andrews Sisters when I posted that.  I was also thinking of The Bee Gees and The Cowsills (seriously  ;)).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 12:33:53 AM
Bee Gees, how could I forget them!!!!  ;sorry

Cowsills - tip of my tongue, but can't remember them too much. Have to do some YTR (youtube research!).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 07, 2010, 12:35:02 AM
Coincidence, or influence?

Influence  ;)  
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 07, 2010, 12:38:21 AM
Cowsills - tip of my tongue, but can't remember them too much.


The Cowsills, yesterday...

"Hair" by the Cowsills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFy-yzj02FE#normal)


...and today...

Hair by The Cowsills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAk8z2PLOmc#normal)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 12:58:09 AM
^^ I know that song! Didn't know they were sibs. Two guys and a girl?

Here's something, don't know if they're sibs ...  ;)
The Four Freshmen - Day by day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANd04Geo1A#normal)

I might be a bit too enamored of stuff like this, but I LOVE drawing lines from really old groups to the groups we love: Four Freshman ... Beach Boys .... +/- Beatles (even though contemporaries, I think the Beach Boys inspired the Lads from Liverpool too). I think one thing that makes the Beatles special is that so many lines can be drawn to them - harmonies like the Everly's, Country/Rockabilly like Carl Perkins, RxB like Little Richard/Chuck Berry/Jerry Lee Lewis/Isley's, harmonies like the Shirelles and Shangri-Las, Soul like Arthur Alexander ... Lots of groups were good, but I think most probably had one or maybe two obvious influences (Stones >> Muddy Water-type blues, for example). But the Beatles were so diverse in their influences, they were untouchable, IMHO.

I've looked a few times for some obvious lines from the Andrews Sisters to the Beatles, maybe via the black girl groups of the mid- to late-50's, but never have been able to do that. Maybe the connection just isn't there, with the black girl groups getting their stuff from gospel music in church, rather than crooning pop radio of the 40s. It's funny, because in the 3 sister's harmonies I hear vocal arrangements that seem almost identical to the way J/P/G would split their duties up.

Now that I think of it, maybe it goes like this: Andrews Sisters >> Teddy Bears >> Beatles?

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 01:01:41 AM
GRADUATION DAY:

The Four Freshman:
Graduation Day By The Four Freshmen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOVOllNHSis&feature=related#normal)

The Beach Boys:
The Beach Boys - Graduation Day [Studio Version] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfGgZIYsock&feature=related#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 07, 2010, 01:16:26 AM
^^ I know that song! Didn't know they were sibs. Two guys and a girl?


The Cowsills, from Newport, Rhode Island, were five brothers (Bill, Bob, Barry, John and Paul) and their sister Susan ("and spaghetti!") along with their mother Barbara Cowsill.

(http://home.comcast.net/~bubblegumusic/cowsillmilk.jpg)

Richard, Bob's twin brother in back, was their road manager.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 01:28:25 AM
^^^ Ah!! Thank you, I had no idea. Hair!!

I just read this:

"I saw the Four Freshmen in Liverpool, UK in 1962 ..." . Some dude posting in the youtube comments for one of the videos above.

I couldn't find the dates ... that would be wild if the Beatles happened to have seen them in their "formative" years!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 07, 2010, 01:55:40 AM
Ah!! Thank you, I had no idea. Hair!!

...and The Rain, The Park And Other Things and Indian Lake.

That's how we got...

(http://cmongethappy.com/blog/uploaded_images/pfmoviephoto-723624.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 07, 2010, 10:55:21 AM
It's nice hearing their vocals and rich harmonies.  I've always liked sibling harmony.
I once read an article by some professor who said that the closer singers grew up together (geographically), the better their harmonies will sound. And you can't get closer than growing up in the same house, of course. Apparently it has something to do with the way people pronounce words.

There's a good example of how "magical" the original Beach Boys vocal blend sounded. Listen to the acapella 'Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring' on the 'Smiley Smile/Wild Honey' 2fer recorded in 1967 by Brian, Carl, Mike and Al, and then listen to the same song on the 'Live In London' album recorded in 1968 by Bruce, Carl, Mike and Al. Bruce really nails his part effortlessly, you hardly even notice that it's him instead of Brian, but somehow the 1968 version just doesn't "sparkle" like the 1967 version. There's just something missing.

Joost, what's the story behind this alternate mix?
Brian first recorded the basic track and then added some overdubs: a 12-string guitar, a piano, castanets and the "wah-wah-wah" falsetto. A few days later he decided that he didn't like these overdubs and recorded new ones and that became the single version. A good choice, I personally HATE the "wah-wah-wah". It really ruined the song for me, I can't listen to the regular version anymore without hearing those "wah-wah-wah"'s in my head. This alternate mix appeared (without the studio chatter) on a compilation called 'Endless Harmony' in 1998.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 07, 2010, 11:26:56 AM
The Cowsills, from Newport, Rhode Island, were five brothers (Bill, Bob, Barry, John and Paul) and their sister Susan ("and spaghetti!") along with their mother Barbara Cowsill.


John Cowsill currently tours with The Beach Boys. He plays drums and he sings lead on some songs. This is him playing drums and singing lead on 'Darlin'':
John Cowsill (The Beach Boys) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0uO0WfGoXs#normal)

His brother Barry Cowsill was living in New Orleans during Hurricane Cathrina. He was missing after the hurricane, although he left some text messages on his sister's phone and has been identified on photos and footage made after the hurricane. His decomposed body was found four months later.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 07, 2010, 05:29:41 PM
Coincidence, or influence? 

 :D


Listen to the chorus of this song (from 1:02 on)... Coincidence, or influence?  ;)
The Beach Boys - Girl Don't Tell Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ztc_lAb5Ws#normal)

(for the record, this song was written after Ticket To Ride was released)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 08:59:07 PM
Listen to the chorus of this song (from 1:02 on)... Coincidence, or influence?  ;)
The Beach Boys - Girl Don't Tell Me ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ztc_lAb5Ws#normal[/url])

(for the record, this song was written after Ticket To Ride was released)


Nice song, but to these novice ears, it's not as Beach Boys-y as others of their songs. It could almost be a Turtles single, c. 1966 or so.

Ticket to Ride ... these guys really did influence each other across the pond (and the continent to boot!)!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 07, 2010, 08:59:48 PM
Joost - do you have any feelings/comments/observations about the Four Freshmen?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 07, 2010, 09:07:58 PM
Nice song, but to these novice ears, it's not as Beach Boys-y as others of their songs. It could almost be a Turtles single, c. 1966 or so.

Ticket to Ride ... these guys really did influence each other across the pond (and the continent to boot!)!

Apparently Brian originally wanted to give this song to The Beatles. I guess he didn't cause someone told him that they already had a Ticket To Ride.  ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 07, 2010, 09:11:32 PM
Joost - do you have any feelings/comments/observations about the Four Freshmen?

They obviously influenced Brian more than anyone else did. But I personally don't really care for their music, too old-fashioned for my taste.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 08, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Brian first recorded the basic track and then added some overdubs: a 12-string guitar, a piano, castanets and the "wah-wah-wah" falsetto. A few days later he decided that he didn't like these overdubs and recorded new ones and that became the single version. A good choice, I personally HATE the "wah-wah-wah". It really ruined the song for me, I can't listen to the regular version anymore without hearing those "wah-wah-wah"'s in my head. This alternate mix appeared (without the studio chatter) on a compilation called 'Endless Harmony' in 1998.


Joost, I agree.  Brian Wilson made a good decision getting rid of the "wah-wah-wahs".  But don't let the memory of them ruin Help Me Rhonda for you.  Think of it as Brian Wilson being influenced by Ronny And The Daytonas' Little GTO.  Hey, The Beach Boys performed Little GTO in 1989 with all the "wah-wah-wahs" appropriately included!    ;)


Ronnie & The Daytonas - 'Little GTO' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_FSicQWimU#normal)

Endless Summer 1989 (8/16) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKiSMAzSmE#normal)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 08, 2010, 08:28:14 PM
Joost, I agree.  Brian Wilson made a good decision getting rid of the "wah-wah-wahs".  But don't let the memory of them ruin Help Me Rhonda for you.  Think of it as Brian Wilson being influenced by Ronny And The Daytonas' Little GTO.  Hey, The Beach Boys performed Little GTO in 1989 with all the "wah-wah-wahs" appropriately included!    ;)

'Rhonda' has never been one of my favorites anyway. Unbelievable that of all the great songs they recorded, that was one of their just four US #1 hits.

Talking about influence:
"We weren't as good as those Beach Boys we were imitating, but we had fun anyway."
- John Buck Wilkin, a.k.a. Ronny Dayton.

The Beach Boys still play 'Little GTO' in concert. Mike, Bruce and David even recorded it for a Union 76 promotion CD featuring re-recordings of Beach Boys hits. They kind of "adopted" the song as one of their own.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 09, 2010, 04:52:02 AM
John Cowsill currently tours with The Beach Boys. He plays drums and he sings lead on some songs. This is him playing drums and singing lead on 'Darlin'':
John Cowsill (The Beach Boys) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0uO0WfGoXs#normal[/url])


Thank you for that bit of information, Joost.  The Cowsills turned out to be an influential force in Rock and Roll.  I remember taking my kid sister to an album signing appearance by The Cowsills at a nearby department store in 1968.  My sister is the same age as Susan Cowsill.  The two of them became instant friends, talking to each other for about half an hour.  Several times Barbara Cowsill had to remind her daughter to sign records.  I got a big kick out of that!  She still has that album.

It's tragic what happened to Barry Cowsill.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 09, 2010, 04:59:55 AM
Listen to the chorus of this song (from 1:02 on)... Coincidence, or influence?  ;)
The Beach Boys - Girl Don't Tell Me ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ztc_lAb5Ws#normal[/url])

(for the record, this song was written after Ticket To Ride was released)


And Help Me Rhonda was recorded a year after Little GTO.

Joost, I like Help Me Rhonda a lot.  I know it's not one of the more meaningful Beach boys songs, but it was a great party song!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 09, 2010, 05:03:45 AM
Oh, and I like that little bit of vocalizing prior to the alternate Help Me Rhonda mix I posted.  Their voices went together so well!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 09, 2010, 05:19:27 AM
Joost,  When I Grow Up To Be A Man was one of The Beach Boys songs that really made me take them seriously back in 1965.  I'm interested in your feelings about this song.

The Beach Boys - When I Grow Up To Be A Man - STEREO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWSMdcpgJsw#normal)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 09, 2010, 05:34:03 AM
In 1964 The Beach Boys recorded Wendy.  But I was a little too young to fully appreciate it, Joost.  I prefered their surf and car music that year.

1965 was a meaningful year for me.  I was maturing as a teenager and Wendy became an extremely significant song for me.  The Beach Boys and The Beatles were maturing in their music.  It was a wonderful time in life...and music.

Beach Boys Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#normal)

The Beach Boys - Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCHOv2kf86A#normal)

 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 09, 2010, 09:37:00 PM
Coincident to this discussion, WCBS-FM has been playing about four Beach Boys songs an hour the past several days.  It's nice hearing their vocals and rich harmonies.  I've always liked sibling harmony.

Help Me Rhonda alternate single version - The Beach Boys ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN_t2gPpGDs#normal[/url])

Joost, what's the story behind this alternate mix?


I kinda enjoy the "wah wah" parts although they sound a bit dated.  Hello Goodbye, you should check out the "Help Me Rhonda" sessions where Brian fights with his dad.  It's cool glimpse into the recording process and group dynamics.

But yeah basically, they had the album version recorded already but Brian realized that this song had lots of potential so he redid the backing track (denser and more enjoyable) and changed the harmonies.  What you hear here is at attempt at reworking the harmony arrangements.


On a side note, my favorite sessions to listen to are the "Please Let Me Wonder" sessions.  I found a torrent for them and wow, those blew me away. How well they blended together. If anyone would like them, let me know and I'll try to send them to you.  I
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 09, 2010, 09:59:23 PM
Hello Goodbye:

Concerning 'Little GTO'/'Help Me, Rhonda':
I don't know if Brian really got his inspiration from 'Little GTO'. High, wordless wails like those were very common in early surf music. I agree that these vocals sound somewhat alike, but I'm sure that there are dozens of surf songs with similar sounding parts.

Concerning 'When I Grow Up (To Be A Man)':
That's a song from 'Today!', which was their first really "mature" album. It was their first one to not feature any songs about surfing, beaches or cars and their first one after Brian retired from touring. Pot was becoming a bigger source of "inspiration" (no LSD yet, Brian didn't start using that until he wrote 'California Girls').
Side A is all cheerful, uptempo songs. I think they're really taking the familiar early Beach Boys sound to a higher level here with much richer and more sophisticated compositions, lyrics and arrangements. Some really groovy stuff on there too. Side B is filled with melancholic ballads and is really a prequel to 'Pet Sounds'. Most of these songs wouldn't be out of place on 'Pet Sounds', actually.
'Today!' is one of my favorite Beach Boys albums. I think it's the "missing link" between the early sun & fun Beach Boys and the 'Pet Sounds' era.

I think it's really cool that you consciously experienced the most important years of The Beach Boys. I was born in 1978 so apart from 'Kokomo', all the important Beach Boys songs were already oldies when I started noticing them. I can't imagine how it must've been to hear them evolving with every new album. From 'All Summer Long' (1964) until ''Holland' (1973) The Beach Boys released at least one new album a year and every album sounded totally different from the previous one. The first albums I heard were their late 60s and early 70s albums ('Pet Sounds', 'Sunflower', 'Surf's Up', 'Friends', '20/20') and from there on I got to the early stuff. That's a bit like seeing the second half of a movie before the first half, I guess.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 10, 2010, 02:39:47 AM
Joost,  I was 15 when California Girls was recorded.  Yes, I experienced The Beach Boys and The Beatles evolving during those years.  It coincided with me maturing as a young adult and I naturally gravitated toward their music as they became more introspective and sensitive in their song writing.  I was influenced by their music; these two groups in particular who seemed to lead the way in the 60s.  They had more of an impact on me than I realized at the time.  It's best summed up by saying that Today! and Rubber Soul were the two albums that made me "feel" music for the first time.  It was a unique point in time which we can retrospectively study, but to "consciously experience" was indeed a wonder!

I remember hearing the opening bars of California Girls for the first time.  It remains, to me, the prettiest opening to a song I've ever heard.

Barry 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 10, 2010, 02:47:04 AM
dcowboys107,

I kind of like the "wah wahs" too.  I smile when I hear this mix.  Brian's fight with his father is difficult to listen to, especially when we know how his dad's problems affected a very sensitive son.

Barry
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 10, 2010, 10:14:13 PM
I agree it is tough in one sense that it highlights how rough Brian had it especially by his father's hands, but from an artist's perspective the recording process is undeniably beautiful. While their harmonies were so tight and beautiful, you still feel the humanity and hear it.  You hear Brian hitting the falsetto shrill, Mike off key a bit, etc.  I just think it's stunning. Unfortunately, Murry had to cause problems but like Joost has been saying, he gave them a kick when they needed it and they're number one hits minus Good Vibrations and Kokomo had a lot to do with him.

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 10, 2010, 10:46:38 PM
Unfortunately, Murry had to cause problems but like Joost has been saying, he gave them a kick when they needed it and they're number one hits minus Good Vibrations and Kokomo had a lot to do with him.

I'm not sure The Beach Boys would've gone anywhere without Murry, and not just because he gave Brian the kick in the ass that he needed. Murry was a semi-professional songwriter, so he had connections in the music business, and he had such an intimidating personality that even the big shots at the big record companies didn't say "no" to him. The Beatles had to struggle for their breakthrough, but for The Beach Boys it was a breeze:

August 2-6, 1961: The group's first proper rehearsals.
September 7, 1961: Their first audition, for music publisher Hite Morgan. He turns them down because they only play cover songs.
September 15, 1961: Second audition for Hite Morgan. They play their very first original composition, 'Surfin''. Morgan likes it and records three demo tracks ('Surfin'', 'Luau' and 'Lavender') with the group right away.
October 3, 1961: The group's first real recording session, the re-record 'Surfin'', 'Luau' and 'Lavender'.
December 8, 1961: The 'Surfin'' b/w 'Luau' single is released.
December 23, 1961: The group's first ever live show.
February 16, 1962: 'Surfin'' enters the Billboard top 100.
May 10, 1962: The Beach Boys get signed to Capitol records.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 11, 2010, 04:55:39 AM
I'm not sure The Beach Boys would've gone anywhere without Murry, and not just because he gave Brian the kick in the ass that he needed. Murry was a semi-professional songwriter, so he had connections in the music business, and he had such an intimidating personality that even the big shots at the big record companies didn't say "no" to him. The Beatles had to struggle for their breakthrough, but for The Beach Boys it was a breeze:

August 2-6, 1961: The group's first proper rehearsals.
September 7, 1961: Their first audition, for music publisher Hite Morgan. He turns them down because they only play cover songs.
September 15, 1961: Second audition for Hite Morgan. They play their very first original composition, 'Surfin''. Morgan likes it and records three demo tracks ('Surfin'', 'Luau' and 'Lavender') with the group right away.
October 3, 1961: The group's first real recording session, the re-record 'Surfin'', 'Luau' and 'Lavender'.
December 8, 1961: The 'Surfin'' b/w 'Luau' single is released.
December 23, 1961: The group's first ever live show.
February 16, 1962: 'Surfin'' enters the Billboard top 100.
May 10, 1962: The Beach Boys get signed to Capitol records.

I want to thank you guys, especially Joost and Hello Goodbye, for teaching me so much about the Beach Boys. I really never knew much about them, and really still don't compared to the Beatles, but I know a heck of a lot more than I used to - thanks!

And ... that chronology is so interesting! A few things that stuck out for me, besides the point being made about how soon they got their single released relative to how long they'd been playing together:

1) The Beatles were a band (J/P/G)  for 5 years longer than the Beach Boys. I think this showed up in their live shows, and the energy they brought to the studio in the early days. At least from what I've heard/seen on the clips from this thread, the Beach Boys were a great vocal group, like the Four Freshmen with an electric sound, but they didn't strike me as a live band that would make people just lose themselves in ecstasy and wild abandon (like the Beatles did). The instrumental musicianship of the early Beatles seems much better/tighter than the Beach Boys to me, thought I admit that my lack of exposure to the early Beach Boys could easily make that a silly statement.

2) The two groups took different routes to success - somehow the Beach Boys get a single released, and get into the Billboard Top 100,  before getting signed to their first big contract (Capitol records). The Beatles had to get signed first. I wonder did the #17 "Love Me Do" peak higher than "Surfin'"?

3) In the States - both groups were on Capitol - wow!

4) Both groups "didn't pass" their first audition, and within a few months of each other.

5) As Joost pointed out, The Beatles paid a lot more dues than the Beach Boys - lots of huddling together in a cold van to keep warm, living in loos, etc.

Thanks again, guys!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 11, 2010, 07:42:14 AM
1) The Beatles were a band (J/P/G)  for 5 years longer than the Beach Boys. I think this showed up in their live shows, and the energy they brought to the studio in the early days. At least from what I've heard/seen on the clips from this thread, the Beach Boys were a great vocal group, like the Four Freshmen with an electric sound, but they didn't strike me as a live band that would make people just lose themselves in ecstasy and wild abandon (like the Beatles did). The instrumental musicianship of the early Beatles seems much better/tighter than the Beach Boys to me, thought I admit that my lack of exposure to the early Beach Boys could easily make that a silly statement.

Brian, Dennis, Carl and Mike (and later on Al) had been singing harmonies together long before they really became a band. Since childhood, actually. So in a way you could say that The Beach Boys pre-date The Beatles.

But I agree that as instrumentalists, they were no match for The Beatles. When The Beach Boys started rehearsing, Carl was a talented guitarist but still just a 14 year old kid, Dennis didn't play any instrument yet and Brian had never played bass guitar before.

I think another reason why the girls didn't go wild for The Beach Boys like they did for The Beatles is because the group's only sex symbol was hidden in the back behind the drum kit. Carl was a chubby kid, Brian was goofy and quickly gaining weight, Mike was already getting bald, Al is just 5' 5" tall... So also in that field, not match for The Beatles.

2) The two groups took different routes to success - somehow the Beach Boys get a single released, and get into the Billboard Top 100,  before getting signed to their first big contract (Capitol records). The Beatles had to get signed first. I wonder did the #17 "Love Me Do" peak higher than "Surfin'"?

Yeah, 'Surfin'' wasn't that big a hit, it peaked at #75. It was released on small, independent local record label Candix and became a national hit pretty much entirely on the strength of record sales in the Los Angeles area. Candix eventually went bankrupt because they couldn't handle such a big selling single.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: alexis on February 11, 2010, 01:46:59 PM


Brian, Dennis, Carl and Mike (and later on Al) had been singing harmonies together long before they really became a band. Since childhood, actually...


 When The Beach Boys started rehearsing, Carl was a talented guitarist but still just a 14 year old kid ...

I was wondering about their vocal harmonies ... surely Carl, and maybe one of the other vocalists, went through puberty, with their voice changing, during this period. It'd be interesting to know if they had to rearrange who sang what part at that time, depending on how their voices "turned out" after puberty. Come to think of it, I guess I'd ask the same question about the Everly Bros. - did Phil always sing the lower harmony, and Don the higher? That high harmony is SO distinctive in the Everly Brothers ...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 11, 2010, 02:24:58 PM
I was wondering about their vocal harmonies ... surely Carl, and maybe one of the other vocalists, went through puberty, with their voice changing, during this period. It'd be interesting to know if they had to rearrange who sang what part at that time, depending on how their voices "turned out" after puberty.

They didn't, Brian always took the highest part, Carl the second highest, Al the second lowest and Mike the lowest.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 14, 2010, 08:10:38 PM
Would Dennis double up with Al on the harmonies?  I'm trying to pick him out, it sounds like he usually did.  For "In My Room" how do the harmonies work especially for the very beginning. I think Brian starts with "there's a world" then Al I think takes "where I can go" then Brian hits the falsetto then the rest fill him from under. Does that sound right?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 14, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
Would Dennis double up with Al on the harmonies?  I'm trying to pick him out, it sounds like he usually did.  For "In My Room" how do the harmonies work especially for the very beginning. I think Brian starts with "there's a world" then Al I think takes "where I can go" then Brian hits the falsetto then the rest fill him from under. Does that sound right?

No, Carl joins in first ("I can go and"), then Dennis ("tell my secrets to"), then Al and Mike (both on "room").

Dennis often wasn't in the blend when they sang harmonies in the early years. If he did sing backing vocals it was often a bass vocal, his range was fairly similar to Mike's. Their voices even sounded somewhat similar. In fact, for many years even some of the most prominent Beach Boys experts believed that Dennis sang 'Catch A Wave' and 'Hawaii', while in fact that was Mike with a heavy cold...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 13, 2010, 12:35:50 AM
Hum dee dum, hum dee daa oh oh....hum dee dum, hum dee daa oh oh....


;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 22, 2010, 01:40:16 AM
Gotta keep those lovin' good vibrations a-happenin' with her,

Gotta keep those lovin' good vibrations a-happenin' with her....


:)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 26, 2010, 12:16:25 AM
Ah my my what a sensation...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on March 30, 2010, 10:10:04 PM
That song has been stuck in my head forever lol. I love it!! I especially love the live in Hawaii version. How precious Brian's voice is in it.  I can't even imagine the turmoil he had been experiencing up to that point and how much he would suffer for the next twenty or so years.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 08, 2010, 03:56:40 AM
That song has been stuck in my head forever lol. I love it!!

Me too.....

Oom bop bop good vibrations....
Oom bop bop excitations....

Ah my my what elation....
I don't know where but she sends me there



:)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on April 14, 2010, 03:38:43 AM
hey joost check out a band called the drums.... The Drums - "Let's Go Surfing" Music Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OsTUnkqSi4&playnext_from=TL&videos=GfvBOCoitkY&feature=grec#)
The Drums-Down By The Water (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI_XUqYhF7U&feature=related#)The Drums-Dont Be a Jerk Jonny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNp4_ayl-Lg&feature=related#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 21, 2010, 03:10:27 AM
(http://www.allaboutjazz.com/photos/profile/The_Beach_Boys_TV.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 21, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
^ This picture was taken in December 1964 while hey were performing 'Dance, Dance, Dance' for a Bob Hope Comedy Special, five days before Brian's much publicized nervous breakdown that made him decide to stop touring.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 22, 2010, 02:28:47 AM
The day before, December 17, 1964, The Beach Boys performed Dance, Dance, Dance on Shindig...

The Beach Boys - "Dance, Dance, Dance" - TV / Dec. 17, 1964 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcuUhB98l54#lq-lq2-hq)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 28, 2010, 03:12:20 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/dz6rgk.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: blackbird_ on April 28, 2010, 03:25:19 AM
The Beach Boys have always been a beloved favourite of mine, but I just can't get enough of them lately. It's hard to pick a favourite song, I suppose right now I really like Heroes and Villains, That's Not Me and Little Surfer Girl.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 28, 2010, 03:48:41 AM
...I just can't get enough of them lately.

Surf's up, blackbird!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: blackbird_ on April 29, 2010, 06:18:53 AM
You've got that song in my head now.
Though there's nothing wrong with that!  ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on April 30, 2010, 01:58:24 AM
hey joost check out a band called the drums.... The Drums - "Let's Go Surfing" Music Video ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OsTUnkqSi4&playnext_from=TL&videos=GfvBOCoitkY&feature=grec#[/url])
The Drums-Down By The Water ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI_XUqYhF7U&feature=related#[/url])The Drums-Dont Be a Jerk Jonny ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNp4_ayl-Lg&feature=related#[/url])
and you wonder why peeps get anal......no acknowledgement...dawn has visited....
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 30, 2010, 11:09:56 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/rte0b9.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on May 06, 2010, 05:55:12 PM
THE BEACH BOYS-` Til I Die (Steve Desper Mix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYjpAqxExPA&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

The falsetto "Until I die" always brings chills down my spine.  Especially in this mix. It seems more emotional.  What a beautiful song in general.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 09, 2010, 08:30:11 PM
THE BEACH BOYS-` Til I Die (Steve Desper Mix) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYjpAqxExPA&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq-vhq[/url])

The falsetto "Until I die" always brings chills down my spine.  Especially in this mix. It seems more emotional.  What a beautiful song in general.


Great song, I prefer this mix over the original too. And to think that the band really didn't want to record it because they though it was too "depressing"... Considered by some to be the last truely great song Brian ever wrote for the Beach Boys.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on May 25, 2010, 03:18:46 PM
Just got my Beach Boys concert tickets!! They're playing Memorial Day at Turner Field in Atlanta. The concert is right after the Atlanta Braves-Philadelphia Phillies game!! I can't wait!  Anything I should expect or look out for?

Surf's up
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 25, 2010, 04:09:40 PM
They have two types of setlists. When they're playing to mostly real fans (like when they're headlining a gig in a theatre or a concert hall) they usually play a two hour mix of the hits and "rarities" (album tracks). However, when it's mostly casual fans (like on state fairs and at sports events and stuff like that), they just do the greatest hits.

This site has hundreds of Beach Boys setlists (often with band line-ups and additional information), if you check out the more recent entries you'll get an idea what to expect.
http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/setlists.html (http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/setlists.html)

Have fun! I hope Mike & Bruce head over to the European mainland again soon... It's been quite a while.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on May 26, 2010, 03:41:55 AM
Thought you'd be interested in these Joost.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1968-Dennis-Wilson-Beach-Boys-/400123383291?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29364dfb (http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1968-Dennis-Wilson-Beach-Boys-/400123383291?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29364dfb)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1970-Jimi-Hendrix-Beach-Boys-/400123384648?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29365348 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1970-Jimi-Hendrix-Beach-Boys-/400123384648?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29365348)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 26, 2010, 06:30:06 AM
Thought you'd be interested in these Joost.

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1968-Dennis-Wilson-Beach-Boys-/400123383291?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29364dfb[/url] ([url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1968-Dennis-Wilson-Beach-Boys-/400123383291?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29364dfb[/url])

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1970-Jimi-Hendrix-Beach-Boys-/400123384648?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29365348[/url] ([url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Record-Mirror-Magazine-1970-Jimi-Hendrix-Beach-Boys-/400123384648?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Magazines&hash=item5d29365348[/url])


Thanks for the suggestion, but $10 as a starting bid for a 40 year old magazine? You can buy a whole stack for that price at any jumble sale...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on May 26, 2010, 05:12:48 PM
I just looked up the tour dates and they'll be in Spain this summer. Idk how easy it will be for you. They seem to go to England a lot lol.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 26, 2010, 08:22:28 PM
I just looked up the tour dates and they'll be in Spain this summer. Idk how easy it will be for you. They seem to go to England a lot lol.

I'm in Holland so Spain is too far away, unfortionately... Brian comes here quite a lot, I believe he played in Holland about ten times since the Smile tour (2004). Mike & Bruce haven't been here once in all those years.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on June 04, 2010, 12:14:37 AM
Ok, so post concert review time. 
The Braves went on to win 9-3 and have swept the Phillies! ;D
The concert was great! Mike's voice has held up and sounds just as it does in the recordings.  Bruce was great and gave acknolegement to Carl after sing "God Only Knows". 
The songs are what you'd expect I guess. Maybe "Do it Again" and "When I Grow Up" were perhaps the only two that I wouldn't have thought of.
Other than that it was a fun show and everyone was dancing and singing.  I'd definitely go again if I had the chance. I just can't wait to see Brian at some point. It's too bad he doesn't tour very far or go down South for that matter.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 04, 2010, 01:45:41 AM
Sounds like you had a great time at that "doubleheader."  That was a nice way to kick off the summer.

And I'm happy to hear that Carl was acknowledged.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 04, 2010, 06:31:59 AM
Ok, so post concert review time.  
The Braves went on to win 9-3 and have swept the Phillies! ;D
The concert was great! Mike's voice has held up and sounds just as it does in the recordings.  Bruce was great and gave acknolegement to Carl after sing "God Only Knows".  
The songs are what you'd expect I guess. Maybe "Do it Again" and "When I Grow Up" were perhaps the only two that I wouldn't have thought of.
Other than that it was a fun show and everyone was dancing and singing.  I'd definitely go again if I had the chance. I just can't wait to see Brian at some point. It's too bad he doesn't tour very far or go down South for that matter.

Good to hear you had a good time and that people still enjoy their concerts. :) The state of Mike's voice seems to depend on the day. Some days he sounds just like he used to, sometimes he sounds unbearably nasal. The two songs you mentioned really aren't such big surprises though - 'Do It Again' was a UK #1 (apart from 'Good Vibrations' their only British chart topper ever), 'When I Grow Up', though often absent on best of-compilations, was a US top 10 hit.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 04, 2010, 06:36:41 AM
Sounds like you had a great time at that "doubleheader."  That was a nice way to kick off the summer.

And I'm happy to hear that Carl was acknowledged.

Both Brian and the Mike & Bruce Band always dedicate 'God Only Knows' to Carl. And sometimes they throw in 'Forever' for Dennis too.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 25, 2010, 05:56:54 PM
Some news from the Beach Boys camp:

Al Jardine's first solo album 'Postcard From California', which was first announced three or four years ago, is finally coming out next week but unfortionately it'll be a download release only. Guest stars include all living Beach Boys members, Steve Miller, Gerry Beckley & Dewey Bunnell (America), David Crosby, Neil Young, Glen Campbell, Flea (Red Hot Chili Peppers) and Alec Baldwin.

Brian's new solo album 'Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin' will be released on August 17. It contains 14 Gershwin compositions, including two that have never been recorded by anyone before. Tracklisting: Rhapsody In Blue (Intro) / The Like In I Love You (unreleased) / Summertime / I Loves You Porgy / I Got Plenty O' Nuttin' / It Ain't Necessarily So / 'S Wonderful / They Can't Take That Away From Me / Love Is Here To Stay / I've Got A Crush On You / I Got Rhythm / Someone To Watch Over Me / Nothing But Love (unreleased) / Rhapsody In Blue (Reprise). Insiders say it's an incredibly good album. Next up will be an album of classic Disney songs.

Mike Love recently said that a reunion with Brian for the Beach Boys' 50th anniversary has been discussed. However, Brian's website released a statement saying that there are no such plans. Insiders believe there indeed will be a reunion of some sort.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on July 13, 2010, 01:51:19 PM
According to Al Jardine, it has been discussed now that all living members might do a few reunion shows in 2011. And apparently, Dennis's son Carl B. and Carl's son Justyn have expressed interest in replacing their dads. Could be really cool if it works out.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: pc31 on July 22, 2010, 03:15:47 PM
sons of a beach...cool band name...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on July 22, 2010, 04:20:11 PM
 ;D

You could form a pretty good band out of the Beach Boys' offspring. Al Jardine used to tour with his sons Matt and Adam and Brian's daughters Carnie and Wendy for a while and when they sang together it really had a bit of that old Beach Boys magic. And if they'd throw Mike's son Christian in the mix too it would be even better, it's eerie how much he sounds like Carl Wilson.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 14, 2010, 03:45:46 AM
The Trashmen - Surfin' Bird (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0GtRI4Ulo#)

The Beach Boys - Papa Om Mow Mow - Lost Concert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DoUEIzWovo#)



 ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 14, 2010, 10:01:10 AM
The Trashmen - Surfin' Bird ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0GtRI4Ulo#[/url])

The Beach Boys - Papa Om Mow Mow - Lost Concert ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DoUEIzWovo#[/url])



 ;)


'Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow' is a song by The Rivingtons from 1962. The Beach Boys covered it in it's original form, The Trashmen combined it with another Rivingtons song, 'The Bird's The Word' (it's kind of like what we today would call a mash-up). So basically they're both covers of the same song.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 14, 2010, 02:58:33 PM
'Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow' is a song by The Rivingtons from 1962. The Beach Boys covered it in it's original form, The Trashmen combined it with another Rivingtons song, 'The Bird's The Word' (it's kind of like what we today would call a mash-up). So basically they're both covers of the same song.


Right, Joost, and another case of R&B covering.  So, here are The Rivingtons...

The Rivingtons - Papa Oom Mow Mow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrQjNNZCAo#)

The Rivingtons - Birds The Word (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edYQiZxyw0I#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 14, 2010, 03:22:03 PM
And here are The Trashmen doing a more familiar surf song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn0guNnXiQk&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn0guNnXiQk&feature=player_embedded#)!


...collarless jackets and all!   ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 14, 2010, 06:25:35 PM
'Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow' is a song by The Rivingtons from 1962. The Beach Boys covered it in it's original form, The Trashmen combined it with another Rivingtons song, 'The Bird's The Word' (it's kind of like what we today would call a mash-up). So basically they're both covers of the same song.


Joost, to emphasize just how unfair R&B covering was, here's Dick Clark making it sound like Surfin' Bird (The Bird Is The Word/Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow) originated with The Trashmen (external embedding is disabled so click on the link)...


T RA SHMEN - Surfi n Bird (1963) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruHQhNe-UM#noexternalembed)

Steve Wahrer had the audacity to say that The Trashmen wrote the song.  Dick Clark didn't refute him.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 14, 2010, 07:03:46 PM
And here are The Trashmen doing a more familiar surf song...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn0guNnXiQk&feature=player_embedded#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn0guNnXiQk&feature=player_embedded#[/url])!


...collarless jackets and all!   ;)


That does sound awfully familiar. :) I hear Roll Over Beethoven, Johnny B. Goode and Shut Down...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 14, 2010, 07:10:52 PM
No band re-wrote Beach Boys songs as obviously as The Fantastic Baggys did... One of the two singer/songwriters behind this studio project was P.F. Sloan, who would go on to write 'Eve Of Destruction' for Barry McGuire...

Wait for the chorus:

The Fantastic Baggys - Surfin´ craze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0LF2VEye4w#)

Beach Boys - Surfin' USA (with Lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMwU30Cw5q8#ws)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 14, 2010, 07:59:44 PM
Wait for the chorus:

Oh yeah!


But, as we know, it started like this...

Chuck Berry Sweet Little 16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxDPUEpLVsE#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 14, 2010, 08:06:24 PM
That does sound awfully familiar. :) I hear Roll Over Beethoven, Johnny B. Goode and Shut Down...


I knew you'd pick up on that, Joost.


The Beach Boys - Shut Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsq4egAV70o#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 14, 2010, 08:54:08 PM
Oh yeah!


But, as we know, it started like this...

On the first pressing of the 'Surfin' USA' single, the song was credited to only Brian Wilson. Of course Chuck Berry didn't take that, as the song was obviously based on 'Sweet Little Sixteen'. So The Beach Boys agreed to give him credit for writing the music... And accidentally gave him the copyrights on the lyrics as well! So until the late 80s, 'Surfin' USA' was credited to only Chuck Berry! Currently the offical credit is Berry/Wilson.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 15, 2010, 12:34:22 AM
On the first pressing of the 'Surfin' USA' single, the song was credited to only Brian Wilson. Of course Chuck Berry didn't take that, as the song was obviously based on 'Sweet Little Sixteen'. So The Beach Boys agreed to give him credit for writing the music... And accidentally gave him the copyrights on the lyrics as well! So until the late 80s, 'Surfin' USA' was credited to only Chuck Berry! Currently the offical credit is Berry/Wilson.

A similar story occured with The Trashmen's Surfin' Bird.  This, from Wikipedia:

The Trashmen's major notable hit was 1963's "Surfin' Bird", which reached #4 on the Billboard Hot 100 in the later part of that year. The song was a combination of two R&B hits by The Rivingtons, "The Bird's the Word" and "Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow". The earliest pressings of the single credit the Trashmen as composers, but following a threat from The Rivingtons' legal counsel, that group was subsequently credited as composers.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 15, 2010, 12:58:59 AM
OK   Here's another original novelty song, this time by the Hollywood Argyles called Alley Oop, a #1 song here in 1960...

THE HOLLYWOOD ARGYLES- "ALLEY OOP" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Q-ZE_Y6es#)



...and covers by Dante & the Evergreens and The Beach Boys..


Alley Oop - Dante & the Evergreens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-lpTKw2mo#)

Alley Oop - Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q3s4n-PwPc#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 15, 2010, 01:04:26 AM
...and another cover by The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band...

The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band - Alley Oop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIXUJ9WE0QY#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys- Help Me, Rhonda
Post by: dcowboys107 on January 23, 2011, 12:15:55 AM
Joost, I'm trying to transcribe the vocal harmonies for "Help Me, Rhonda" and I have a question about Brian and Carl's part.  First of all, I know on the chorus Mike is the bass, and Al is singing right under the brothers per custom. However, is Carl doubling with Brian on the Ab?  I can hear Brian's falsetto but I can't really make out Carl's voice.  Is he just singing that part in his modal voice or what? 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 23, 2011, 01:21:30 AM
Around 1965, Brian and Carl sounded almost identical. It's very hard to tell them apart even when they sang lead, let along when they were harmonizing.

This is all I could find:

"Bow-bowbow-bow-bow": Mike
"Help me Rhonda, yeah!": Al (lowest), Carl (high) and Brian (highest)
"Get her outta my heart!": Mike
First "Come on, Rhonda": Mike
Second "Come on, Rhonda": Mike, Brian, Carl and Dennis
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on January 24, 2011, 02:40:34 AM
I think I've figured it out after a few hours of pounding on the keyboard.

I'll talk specifically about the refrain. 

Mike and Dennis are doing the "Ra -Ra"s" With Mike being the lowest and Dennis a minor 3rd above him.

I have 3 tenors, Al, Carl and Brian.

Al is the lowest and carries the main melody line notes, Carl and Brian double the high part here.  You can tell the distinction but it's the same line.  Brian has a more shrill, powerful tone and Carl is softer.  Same melody all the same though.

I'll work on the verses next.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 04:34:16 AM
Does this help?

The Beach Boys - Help Me Rhonda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Te_lCF69Aw#)

The Beach Boys - Help Me Rhonda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUxMupNEno4#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 24, 2011, 10:51:59 AM
Maybe this helps:
http://www.tiptopwebsite.com/custommusic2/craigslowinskicom3.pdf (http://www.tiptopwebsite.com/custommusic2/craigslowinskicom3.pdf)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nyfan(41) on January 24, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
Mike Love's dance moves are classic in that video !  ;yes
I have a new appreciation of his talents
GO MIKE GO !  hahaHA  ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 24, 2011, 12:00:08 PM
Mike Love's dance moves are classic in that video !  ;yes
I have a new appreciation of his talents
GO MIKE GO !  hahaHA  ;D

Worst thing is that he never stopped dancing like that. Not when he had that long beard and wore turbans and robes, and now that he's almost 70 he's still doing it.  ha2ha
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 03:41:45 PM
Mike Love's dance moves are classic in that video !  ;yes
I have a new appreciation of his talents
GO MIKE GO !  hahaHA  ;D

That's "The Frug!"

;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 03:46:46 PM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/59407915_04950f89fd_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 04:08:46 PM
The Beach Boys on Shindig!

Doing The Frug...

The Beach Boys - Do You Wanna Dance? (Shindig! 1965) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJQRxExlmy8#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 04:25:21 PM
^

A bit of Moonwalking there by Mike!

;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 07:50:28 PM
Do You Wanna Dance...I always loved that song.  But it's necessary to honor the author...

Bobby Freeman - Do You Want (Wanna) To Dance (Original) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8o5s2U5gK8#)
Bobby Freeman   1958
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 07:53:57 PM
Two great covers...

Cliff Richard & the Shadows - Do You Wanna Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ957Ca8Eo4#)

Del Shannon - Do You Wanna Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2kLR-9Hu-U#)

Del Shannon - Do You Wanna Dance (1965) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7m9peH8QA#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 24, 2011, 07:56:25 PM
Now you all know how to do The Frug.  ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 24, 2011, 08:37:48 PM
This is supposed to be a big year for The Beach Boys, it's their 50th anniversary. There still isn't any official news about a reunion or new releases. But I suppose that it's a good sign that a whole lot of unreleased Beach Boys songs (especially Smile material) that had been on YouTube for years without any problem have now been taken down by the band's lawyers.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nyfan(41) on January 24, 2011, 10:30:04 PM
does Frug mean you're Freaked on Drugs?  ha2ha
or is it the dance so hot that you Fry the Rug ?
.. or is it  frog + bug ??
-
wow, never realized how many people covered this song!
John Lennon - Do You Want To Dance (2010 Official Remaster) |STEREO| (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YElOgLQ49q8#)
Johnny Rivers - Do you wanna dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoOx0omJHg#)
The Mamas and The Pappas Do You Wanna Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIcIJt0tlEk#)
Ramones - Do You Wanna Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KfHpm4s4w#)
Marc Bolan & T.Rex - Do you wanna dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4_GSDVRcdQ#)
Bette Midler - Do You Want To Dance? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV5KGvQGaMY#)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2011, 05:24:43 AM
does Frug mean you're Freaked on Drugs?  ha2ha
or is it the dance so hot that you Fry the Rug ?
.. or is it  frog + bug ??

 ;D

Nah!  It's just The Frug.

You can read about all the 60s dances here:  http://www.sixtiescity.com/Culture/dance.shtm (http://www.sixtiescity.com/Culture/dance.shtm)

They didn't list The Wampo...

The Wanderers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5hN9cXNm4s#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2011, 05:36:29 AM
This is supposed to be a big year for The Beach Boys, it's their 50th anniversary. There still isn't any official news about a reunion or new releases. But I suppose that it's a good sign that a whole lot of unreleased Beach Boys songs (especially Smile material) that had been on YouTube for years without any problem have now been taken down by the band's lawyers.

I really hope there will be a reunion, Joost.  It would be an historic event for sure!


The Beach Boys on Shindig!

Doing The Frug...

The Beach Boys - Do You Wanna Dance? (Shindig! 1965) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJQRxExlmy8#[/url])

The Beach Boys looked so great there!  I miss Dennis and Carl.

The Shindig Dancers were the best.  Girls used to watch the show and learn the dances.  They blew the boys away at parties.  What a time that was!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 25, 2011, 11:54:05 AM
I really hope there will be a reunion, Joost.  It would be an historic event for sure!

It certainly would be cool. The last time Brian and Al performed live with Mike and Bruce was 14 and 13 years ago, respectively.

I'm also hoping for the long promised 'Smile' box set and/or a rarities compilation. There's still so much great unreleased stuff in the vaults...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nyfan(41) on January 25, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
interesting stuff hello goodbye
those dances look like fun but truthfully . .  kind of tame or i'd say easy to do
these kids today make new dances up all the time and they get creative, insane and acrobatic with it lol
i think the latest one is called 'the dougie'... before that was the 'you're a jerk' and the other year harlem came back on the map with 'the chicken noodle soup'  ha2ha
at first i wanna think it's just evolution or the influence of the break dance era that has new dances so athletic - i mean these kids pretzel themselves up and get pretty original ! ...
but looking back at the lindy hop... the jitterbug and the charleston -> kids were doing all kinds of backflips, rubber band limbs and one of a kind moves
for some reason i never see that era of 60s dance really let loose, freestyle and pour sweat  ???
must have not been the style (?) - or maybe i've never seen the right footage - (or it wasn't 'about' that)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2011, 10:49:20 PM
Do You Wanna Dance...I always loved that song.


This is how it sounded at parties in 1965...

The Beach Boys-Do You Wanna Dance? 45 RPM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PR_K1T2PAM#ws)


 ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 25, 2011, 11:08:10 PM
It sounds like Dennis had fun singing lead vocal on that.  I liked his voice and wish he had more lead vocals during that period.


(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/33257563/Dennis+Wilson+dennis.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nyfan(41) on January 25, 2011, 11:17:57 PM
It sounds like Dennis had fun singing lead vocal on that.  I liked his voice and wish he had more lead vocals during that period.

he had an awesome solo album in 1977
Dennis Wilson - Thoughts of You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtbElnRX0g#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 25, 2011, 11:49:42 PM
It sounds like Dennis had fun singing lead vocal on that.  I liked his voice and wish he had more lead vocals during that period.

He got a fair amount of lead vocals in the late 60s and early 70s. Although he was never the best singer technically, and was usually excluded from singing harmonies with the group, he had a really cool voice. Very raw and very gentle at the same time.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 25, 2011, 11:58:04 PM
he had an awesome solo album in 1977
Dennis Wilson - Thoughts of You ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtbElnRX0g#[/url])


That album was re-released in 2008, with a bonus disc that includes his unreleased second album 'Bambu'. Highly recommended.

My best moment ever as a record collector was when I found my original copy of 'Pacific Ocean Blue'. I'd been searching for it for years, it usually went for about $100, and I was willing to spend that much for it. One day I was at a very small, dissapointing record fair when I saw someone with that record in his hands. I heard him say that it wasn't really what he was looking for, because he was looking for records by Brian Wilson, not Dennis. So I asked him if I could have that Dennis Wilson record. He just said, "OK, but be quick, before I change my mind." I got it for 7,50. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 26, 2011, 05:58:17 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/34qkbwy.jpg)

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2v3n9sz.jpg)


Well, maybe a little bit.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 26, 2011, 06:37:00 AM
Just when you think it's a love song...

The Beach Boys - Don't Worry Baby (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QCZ_bv9aLc#)

...it turns out to be about a car race.


The 60s was great...girls and cars!

Brian is brilliant!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 30, 2011, 04:36:01 AM
Johnny B. Good

The Beach Boys - Johnny B. Good (Shindig) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsyL4O5ej_Y#)

...on Shindig!    With the Shindig Dancers!  ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 30, 2011, 05:00:59 AM
Fun, Fun, Fun

The Beach Boys - "Fun, Fun, Fun" - TV Show - March 12, 1964 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYO8-RqNTxk#)

Mike Love dances again.  This time he's doing The Bird.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 31, 2011, 04:58:24 AM
Mike Love is one mean dancing machine here...

THE BEACH BOYS on Shindig! (1964) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We41bCkszOs#)

...on Shindig!    With the Shindig Dancers!  :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nyfan(41) on January 31, 2011, 05:23:05 AM
(http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/1858410/mad-mike-love-o.gif)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 31, 2011, 05:38:51 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 31, 2011, 05:47:28 AM
The Monkey's Uncle

The Beach Boys: The Monkey's Uncle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQG10A-ymtg#)

Mike and Annette do The Swim
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on February 01, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Mike Love dances again.  This time he's doing The Bird.

Did he ever do the Watusi?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 02, 2011, 12:51:28 AM
Some Beach Boys news:

- Al Jardine will be performing live with Mike Love and Bruce Johnston this Saturday for a Ronald Reagan tribute. This will be the first time since 1998 that founding members Al Jardine and Mike Love will be on a stage together. Brian Wilson has also been invited, but chances that he'll show up are apparently small.

- Unreleased Beach Boys songs that had been on YouTube for ages have now been taken down by the band's lawyers. Unreleased songs that sounded very muddy on every bootleg on which they appeared are all of a sudden appearing online with near-master sound quality. Lots of previously unseen live videos are all of a sudden "found", which means that people appear to be going through archives. These are all signs that we finally might get some previously unreleased material again... I really hope so, cause there's still so much excellent stuff in the vaults. Hundreds of songs, literally.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 03, 2011, 04:19:46 PM
Al Jardine has announced in an interview that there will finally be an official release of 'Smile' this Summer!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 03, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Some Beach Boys news:

- Al Jardine will be performing live with Mike Love and Bruce Johnston this Saturday for a Ronald Reagan tribute. This will be the first time since 1998 that founding members Al Jardine and Mike Love will be on a stage together. Brian Wilson has also been invited, but chances that he'll show up are apparently small.


Yes, Joost and thank you for the heads up.  Their appearance on “A Concert for America: A Tribute to Ronald Reagan,” will be shown in a live webcast on Saturday February 5, 2011 7-9 PST on The Ronald Reagan Foundation Website:    http://www.reaganfoundation.org/live-webcasts.aspx (http://www.reaganfoundation.org/live-webcasts.aspx)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 03, 2011, 07:15:47 PM
Did he ever do the Watusi?


I think he threw in bits of The Watusi often, Bobber.

Here's how it's done...

The Lawrence Welk Show: Wah Wahtusi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPymmD3r3K8#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on February 03, 2011, 07:59:17 PM
I think he threw in bits of The Watusi often, Bobber.


I had never heard of the Wahtusi until I listened to the lyrics of Revolution #9.


Here's how it's done...

The Lawrence Welk Show: Wah Wahtusi ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPymmD3r3K8#noexternalembed[/url])


Note that the Lennon Sisters were a substantial part of this show.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 04, 2011, 04:16:37 AM
Note that the Lennon Sisters were a substantial part of this show.

The whole country was in love with them...for years!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 04, 2011, 05:58:17 AM
Bobber, you might think The Lennon sisters were square.  But they were pretty hip in 1968 (play both at the same time)...

The Lennon Sisters - Green Tambourine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-Ad2TwFZQ#)

The Joshua Light Show - Liquid Loops (1969) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW733Ut5zE0#)

Far out, man!

;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on February 04, 2011, 08:17:23 AM
I can imagine the whole country being in love with them. I think they're pretty cool actually! ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 04, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
They were cute too...

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2chamq8.jpg)


;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 04, 2011, 07:37:48 PM
I think they're pretty cool actually! ;D


A whole lot cooler than The Lemon Pipers, Cor...

Lemon Pipers - Green Tambourine ('69) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxm19NBAcfc#)


;)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 04, 2011, 07:42:35 PM
Back on topic now...

Joost, tomorrow is their big night.  Any guesses which songs they'll include in their set?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 04, 2011, 08:12:20 PM
Back on topic now...

Joost, tomorrow is their big night.  Any guesses which songs they'll include in their set?

My guess: Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring, Good Vibrations, California Girls, Barbara Ann, plus one or two more of their greatest hits. They've got just 20 minutes.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 05, 2011, 04:19:30 AM
I hope they sing Help Me Rhonda too, Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 05, 2011, 11:46:59 AM
I hope they sing Help Me Rhonda too, Joost.

Seems to me that it was never one of their favorites to do, as throughout their history they often either didn't play it, or completely rearranged it (they did a heavier blues arrangement for a while, they changed the lyrics from first person to second person, they got Dennis to sing it instead of Al, etc.). But who knows, it would be cool if they'd let Al sing a song and Rhonda is his best known lead.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 05, 2011, 05:19:30 PM
...it would be cool if they'd let Al sing a song and Rhonda is his best known lead.

That's just what I was thinking, Joost.  Anyway, tonight's the night!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 06, 2011, 05:30:34 AM
(http://i56.tinypic.com/34hxnkj.jpg)

(http://i54.tinypic.com/2wbuo92.jpg)

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2f0aozm.jpg)

(http://i56.tinypic.com/s6rjvm.jpg)


California Girls
Sloop John B
Good Vibrations
Kokomo
Help Me Rhonda
Fun, Fun, Fun


Thank you Beach Boys!

...and thank you Reagan Foundation
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 06, 2011, 01:05:24 PM
Great to see Al on stage with those guys again, for the first time in 13 years. But the show was not very good. I thought they all looked just tired and not very into it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 12, 2011, 06:41:00 AM
GO!

the beach boys - Little Honda - The Platinum Collec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m1rrMB3JdA#)

The Beach Boys - Little Honda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eGYBPP-Ym4#)



Hondells - Little Honda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqKi_9p1zks#)

The Hondells


The Shindig Dancers, again!  ;)

I think that's Teri Garr on the right

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3JckQQgTbxE/TGQ3WTa-sQI/AAAAAAAABJQ/gl68sVHQkcM/s1600/terri%2520garr.jpg)

(http://www.celebs101.com/gallery/Teri_Garr/96807/teri_garr_photo_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 12, 2011, 07:04:04 AM
The Beach Boys - Sloop John B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdov2UIjUpY#)

Sloop John B by The Beach Boys live (1980) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Uc_Gi7gdM#)


And from 1958...

The Wreck Of The John B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE99lfjliaI#)

The Kingston Trio
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 12, 2011, 08:47:03 PM
GO!

The Beach Boys - Little Honda (stereo) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7z2ktb3ay0#[/url])

The Beach Boys - Little Honda ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eGYBPP-Ym4#[/url])

Hondells - Little Honda ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqKi_9p1zks#[/url])


The Beach Boys were originally going to release 'Little Honda' as a single, but then a friend told Brian that he didn't think it would be a hit. Brian, insecure as ever, then decided to not release it as a single. So it was picked up by studio project The Hondells, who had a #9 hit with it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 12, 2011, 10:33:53 PM
And Joost I, like many others at the time, thought we were listening to The Beach Boys when we heard The Hondells' Little Honda on the radio.  A similar thing happened in early 1970 when we heard Come And Get It played on the radio.  We all thought it was The Beatles.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 12, 2011, 10:41:37 PM
Histe Up The John B Sail

Cleveland Simmons Group - Sloop John B (1935) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEfki4mZpcI#)

Cleveland Simmons Group   1935


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/SpongeFleetNassauBahamas-c1900.jpg)

Nassau, Bahamas  ca. 1900
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 13, 2011, 12:10:43 AM
And Joost I, like many others at the time, thought we were listening to The Beach Boys when we heard The Hondells' Little Honda on the radio.

Well, The Hondells were very closely related to The Beach Boys. They had the same producer, used some of the same session musicians, and the whole project was the brainchild of Gary Usher, a good friend of Brian who co-wrote several songs (including 'In My Room' and '409') with him. Brian Wilson himself even sang backups on The Hondells' second single, 'My Buddy Seat'.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 13, 2011, 12:26:28 AM
Histe Up The John B Sail

Cleveland Simmons Group - Sloop John B (1935) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEfki4mZpcI#[/url])

Cleveland Simmons Group   1935


([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/SpongeFleetNassauBahamas-c1900.jpg[/url])

Nassau, Bahamas  ca. 1900


Another thing about 'Sloop John B.':
Almost every article you'll ever read about The Beach Boys' version of 'Sloop John B.' mentions that Brian Wilson (never a fan of folk music) recorded the song on the instigation of Al Jardine (a big Kingston Trio fan). And although that might be true, it is certainly not true that Al introduced him to the song. At best, he just refreshed Brian's memory, because the song had already been part of the group's repertoir five years earlier. I have a recording of a Beach Boys rehearsal from 1961 and they're already goofing around with the song, and it's been documented that they performed it during their first audition for record producer/publisher Hite Morgan that same year.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 14, 2011, 02:52:41 AM
Thank you, Joost.  Sloop John B was a good song for The Beach Boys to perform.  Even the 1935 recording by The Cleveland Simmons Group featured harmonies and canons typical of The Beach Boys.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 14, 2011, 02:57:01 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51uGQkuQFtL.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zSBav7yXqqg/TPqEuaegFWI/AAAAAAAAAEo/WtCFav1S3sI/S374/CarlSandburg_400.jpg)

Here are the lyrics to The John B Sails published by Carl Sandburg in 1927...

THE JOHN B SAILS

O we come on the sloop John B.,
My gran'fadder an' me.
Round Nassau Town we did roam,
Drinking all night, we got in a fight,
I feel so break-up I want to go home!

REFRAIN
So hoist up the John B. sails,
See how de main-s'l set,
Send for de Capt'n ashore, Lemme go home!
Lemme go home! Lemme go home!
I feel so break-up I want to go home!

De first mate he got drunk,
Break up de people's trunk.
Constable come aboard an' take him away.
Mr. Johnstone, please let me alone.
I feel so break-up I want to go home! Refrain

De poor cook he got fits,
Tro' 'way all de grits,
Den he took an' eat up all o' my corn!
Lemme go home, I want to go home!
Dis is de worst trip since I been born! Refrain



Notes: John T. McCutcheon, cartoonist and kindly philosopher, and his wife Evelyn Shaw McCutcheon, mother and poet, learned to sing this on their Treasure Island in the West Indies. They tell of it, "Time and usage have given this song almost the dignity of a national anthem around Nassau. The weathered ribs of the historic craft lie imbedded in the sand at Governor's Harbor, whence an expedition, especially sent up for the purpose in l926, extracted a knee of horseflesh and a ring-bolt. These relics are now preserved and built into the Watch Tower, designed by Mr. Howard Shaw and built on our southern coast a couple of points east by north of the star Canopus."
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 22, 2011, 01:32:25 AM
Ok, I finally figured out the vocals for "Help Me, Rhonda" after giving myself sometime to let it all clear up.

Carl wasn't doubling with Brian but keeps his modal voice on the high tenor.  I've always loved Carl but finally I can hear him in the mix but he mixes in a lot with Brian so he gets drowned out.

Man, it's beautiful hearing Carl sing his heart out in that song, such a sweet voice.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 27, 2011, 06:04:45 AM
In 1966, we had...

I Can Hear Music- Ronettes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6bjwgv5l18#)



But then in 1969...

I Can Hear Music- The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlH3bZt9ooU#)

The Beach Boys - I Can Hear Music - Never Learn Not To Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTY9BRCg-Ec#)


Carl's voice was so beautiful
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 27, 2011, 08:15:14 AM
'I Can Hear Music' was the first Beach Boys song recorded in Brian's absence. The production's entirely Carl's work.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 01, 2011, 04:00:21 AM
...and 27 years later...

The Beach Boys-I Can Hear Music- Live 1996 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWwDSf-XlSA#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on March 02, 2011, 01:22:34 PM
I like "You Still Believe In Me" from Pet Sounds, nice song.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Badgirl66 on March 15, 2011, 04:59:14 PM
happy 50 Anniversary this Year Yer
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: PaulieBear on March 15, 2011, 07:21:27 PM
I've always had a few Beach Boys songs on my iPod, but I recently purchased their Pet Sounds album. I've listened to it, and it's great and all, but I just don't understand why it was so great. I'm taking a Music of The Beatles course right now, and my teacher explained a few things about the sound of the album which were interesting. I've always loved "God Only Knows", but can someone tell me what is extraordinary about it?

I realize I sound like a kid, which I am to most of you(no offense). I just want to know more about its influence other than its impact on Sgt. Pepper's.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 15, 2011, 07:46:50 PM
PaulieBear, I'm sure several other members will respond to your question and each will have their own chronologic frame of reference.  But for me, someone who first heard Pet Sounds as a 16 year old when it was first released, this album was innovative on the part of Brian Wilson and rivaled Rubber Soul when it was released.  We were listening to music that was changing during the mid-60s and The Beatles, Brian Wilson, and several other groups were paving the way.  1966 remains my favorite year as far as music is concerned.

I'm sure Joost will spot your post and will elaborate further and far more eloquently than I can.  I'll defer to him.

And no, you don't sound like a kid by asking about Pet Sounds.  A kid would never have noticed.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on March 16, 2011, 01:26:15 AM
I don't think it's possible to explain to someone why an album is great. You either hear it or you don't.

I've got to admit that it took me a while to see what's so great about 'Pet Sounds'. I definately didn't hear it the first few times I played it. The album's certainly a "grower". But once it has grown on you, Pet Sounds will stay with you forever. You'll never get bored of it. I've heard it hundreds of times the last few years, but I could listen to it five times in a row right now without getting tired of it. It's just so sophisticated, deep, rich and magical. If there's a heaven, this should be it's soundtrack.

If you want to explore the Beach Boys' music beyond the familiar hits, I recommend you to not start with 'Pet Sounds' but with their 1970 album 'Sunflower'. I think that's a better and more accessible bridge between their hit material and their "deeper" stuff.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on March 16, 2011, 01:30:24 AM
Some pretty exciting Beach Boys news:

Recently it has been officially announced that the legendary unreleased 1967 album 'SMiLE', which was supposed to be the Beach Boys' answer to 'Revolver', will be released later this year. Probably around August/September.

There will be two versions: a double CD, and a box set with four CDs, two LPs, two vinyl singles and a book.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: PaulieBear on March 16, 2011, 01:34:37 AM
Thanks for your insight! Great responses!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 16, 2011, 01:39:34 AM
Which version will you get, Joost?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on March 16, 2011, 05:10:53 PM
The box set, obviously. I just hope it won't be too expensive.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 17, 2011, 04:38:03 AM
Well, until the box set comes out, we can enjoy what we have.

I like watching Carl in this video...

The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2WWw7nMhw4#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 17, 2011, 04:51:57 AM
Spotlight on Dennis here...

The Beach Boys - Dance Dance Dance [1964 T.A.M.I.] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F74pEzgTA8I#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 17, 2011, 05:38:06 AM
Beach Boys - Dance, Dance, Dance [II] (Rare clip) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug0riKTwSaE#)


The Alternate Dance, Dance, Dance...

The Beach Boys - Dance, Dance, Dance (alternate track) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iICNqRHY81U#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: PaulieBear on March 18, 2011, 01:39:13 AM
My mom told me the other day that one of The Beach Boys drowned? Is that true? If so, isn't that a bit ironic?  :-\
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on March 18, 2011, 11:28:21 AM
Yeah, Dennis Wilson. One day in December 1983 he was drunk (as usual) and he decided to dive into the water of the marina where his old houseboat used to be. He remembered that he'd thrown quite some valuable stuff overboard in better times and wanted to go look for these things. First time he went under he returned with a silver photo frame. Second time he drowned.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on March 19, 2011, 10:47:16 AM
One of my friends on facebook who is OBSESSED with Paul McCartney (a bit too much in my opinion) posted the duet performance of God Only Knows with Paul & Brian Wilson. She made a comment about telling Brian Wilson to shut up so she could listen to Paul.

I thought to myself, "Really? You're going to tell Brian Wilson to shut up during his freaking song? That's like telling McCartney to shut up during Hey Jude or something. Have some respect.  roll:)"

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on March 19, 2011, 03:47:50 PM
One of my friends on facebook who is OBSESSED with Paul McCartney (a bit too much in my opinion) posted the duet performance of God Only Knows with Paul & Brian Wilson. She made a comment about telling Brian Wilson to shut up so she could listen to Paul.

I thought to myself, "Really? You're going to tell Brian Wilson to shut up during his freaking song? That's like telling McCartney to shut up during Hey Jude or something. Have some respect.  roll:)"

I agree of course, but I can understand if people don't care for Brian's current voice. Objectively speaking he's just not a very good singer anymore. I think that you have to know a bit about Brian's story and see things within a certain context to fully appreciate what he's doing nowadays.

I think you can compare him to a world class sportsman who gets so seriously injured that the doctors say that he'll never walk again, but who manages to make a comeback several years later as a decent player in a second division team. That's probably the context that you've got to see him in.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 09, 2011, 09:38:29 PM
Responses to comments in the "Groups you're glad with just a greatest hits collection" topic...

I could readily make do with just a Beach Boys Greatest Hits but I really must listen again to Pet Sounds which I do own... although I always feel it is a very overpraised album (yes, I know it was hugely influential - not least upon Paul McCartney). Apart from "God Only Knows" which I regard as one of the most perfectly crafted masterpieces in the history of rock & pop, nothing much else on there really grabs me. But I'm going to give it another go for sure.
I guess that 'Pet Sounds' just has a certain kind of mood that you either get, or don't get. Probably a matter of taste. And then again, you should give it another chance because I do think it's an album that just needs a while to sink in. I also wasn't impressed the first few times I heard it. But once the quarter dropped, it became my favorite album of all time and now I can easily listen to it several times in a row without getting bored of it.

In the mid 70s I had an unusual compilation album of theirs called "Spirit Of America" and I absolutely loved it. It had a mixture of interesting tracks, many of them very, very good (I became obsessed with the brilliant "Break Away") but included a pretty awful rendition of The Beatles' song "Tell Me Why".
That is indeed a strange album. It was released as the "volume 2" to the 'Endless Summer' double LP, which compiled their best songs from 1961-1965. So 'Spirit of America' is basically no. 21 to 43 of the band's top 43 of their first four years (plus 'Break Away', which is from 1969).
'Tell Me Why' is indeed pretty bad, but that one's from the 'Party!' album, which was a live-in-the-studio acoustic cover album that was only made to bridge the gap between 'Summer Days' and 'Pet Sounds'.

I've just heard a couple of hits from 20/20 ("I Can Hear Music" and "Do It Again"), they certainly sound different. Soon or later I will hear those records.
'20/20' is comparable to the full length version of 'Magical Mystery Tour'. It's a very mixed bag, a mixture of new material and recent non-album singles (like 'I Can Hear Music' and 'Do It Again').

If you want to check out some highlights from the post-'Pet Sounds' era, look for these songs on YouTube or somewhere else:

From 'Friends':
Friends Most brilliant albums have a few specific songs that make it stand out. 'Friends' doesn't. It has an overall warm, rich, soft and gentle mood that makes it stand out. The title track might be the best example of this mood, so if you do have to appoint a standout track, this one's probably it. If the early Beach Boys albums represented a hot summer day that you spend with hot girls on the beach, cruisin' down the boulevard and surfing the waves, than 'Friends' represents a hot summer that you spend lying in your back yard with a cool drink, without a care in the world. Both can be equally pleasant and satisfying, just in an entirely different way.
Wake The World A simple song that carries on in the same mood as the previous one. 'Wake the World' makes simply waking up and going to sleep each day sound like something magical.
Be Here In The Morning Although this song is a strange mix of quasi-Hawaiian sections, castrato vocals and wobbly vocal effects, it still keeps the mood of the previous two songs.

From '20/20':
Time To Get Alone Originally given away to Redwood (a band that would later become famous as Three Dog Night), but The Beach Boys took it back when they heard how great it was. Definately one of their most atmospheric and magical songs.
Our Prayer No words and no music, just oh's, ah's and mmm's. Probably the best example of how brilliant The Beach Boys were vocally. Originally recorded as the intro for the 'Smile' album.
Cabinessence One of the highlights of the abandonned 'Smile' album, finally released on this album.

From 'Sunflower':
This Whole World Anyone who thinks that Brian Wilson "lost it" after the 'Smile' debacle should just listen to this. It has so much chord and key changes that purely theoretically it's a big mess, and yet it works perfectly. Probably one of their richest songs.
All I Wanna Do Very mystical, and probably the most moving lead vocal Mike Love ever recorded.
Forever I always saw this as Dennis Wilson's response to his brother Brian's 'God Only Knows'.

From 'Surf's Up':
Long Promised Road Carl Wilson's first major composition, and probably his best.
Surf's Up Another recycled 'Smile' track. Without a doubt my favorite Beach Boys song after 'God Only Knows'.

From 'Carl & The Passions - So Tough':
All This Is That A very gentle, slightly mystical song that might take a while to sink in, but it's absolutely beautiful.
Cuddle Up If there's a heaven, this should be the "theme song" playing at the gates.

From 'Holland':
Sail On, Sailor Some people say that The Beach Boys couldn't rock, and that they were the whitest sounding group ever. They should listen to this.
California Saga/Big Sur Mike Love was never a great songwriter, but he did write one great song: this one. A beautiful tribute to one of California's most beautiful places.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on May 10, 2011, 01:11:44 AM
Responses to comments in the "Groups you're glad with just a greatest hits collection" topic...
I guess that 'Pet Sounds' just has a certain kind of mood that you either get, or don't get. Probably a matter of taste. And then again, you should give it another chance because I do think it's an album that just needs a while to sink in. I also wasn't impressed the first few times I heard it. But once the quarter dropped, it became my favorite album of all time and now I can easily listen to it several times in a row without getting bored of it.

It took me a time to dig Pet Sounds as well. Actually it took me several years. I've listened to it for first time about 10 years ago, and only listened to it again a couple of times until last year, when I started to see how wonderful it is. It wasn't like other albums like Forever Changes and Odessey And Oracle that got an almost instant love from me, but now I love Pet Sounds as well.

'20/20' is comparable to the full length version of 'Magical Mystery Tour'. It's a very mixed bag, a mixture of new material and recent non-album singles (like 'I Can Hear Music' and 'Do It Again').

If you want to check out some highlights from the post-'Pet Sounds' era, look for these songs on YouTube or somewhere else:

From 'Friends':
Friends Most brilliant albums have a few specific songs that make it stand out. 'Friends' doesn't. It has an overall warm, rich, soft and gentle mood that makes it stand out. The title track might be the best example of this mood, so if you do have to appoint a standout track, this one's probably it. If the early Beach Boys albums represented a hot summer day that you spend with hot girls on the beach, cruisin' down the boulevard and surfing the waves, than 'Friends' represents a hot summer that you spend lying in your back yard with a cool drink, without a care in the world. Both can be equally pleasant and satisfying, just in an entirely different way.
Wake The World A simple song that carries on in the same mood as the previous one. 'Wake the World' makes simply waking up and going to sleep each day sound like something magical.
Be Here In The Morning Although this song is a strange mix of quasi-Hawaiian sections, castrato vocals and wobbly vocal effects, it still keeps the mood of the previous two songs.

From '20/20':
Time To Get Alone Originally given away to Redwood (a band that would later become famous as Three Dog Night), but The Beach Boys took it back when they heard how great it was. Definately one of their most atmospheric and magical songs.
Our Prayer No words and no music, just oh's, ah's and mmm's. Probably the best example of how brilliant The Beach Boys were vocally. Originally recorded as the intro for the 'Smile' album.
Cabinessence One of the highlights of the abandonned 'Smile' album, finally released on this album.

From 'Sunflower':
This Whole World Anyone who thinks that Brian Wilson "lost it" after the 'Smile' debacle should just listen to this. It has so much chord and key changes that purely theoretically it's a big mess, and yet it works perfectly. Probably one of their richest songs.
All I Wanna Do Very mystical, and probably the most moving lead vocal Mike Love ever recorded.
Forever I always saw this as Dennis Wilson's response to his brother Brian's 'God Only Knows'.

From 'Surf's Up':
Long Promised Road Carl Wilson's first major composition, and probably his best.
Surf's Up Another recycled 'Smile' track. Without a doubt my favorite Beach Boys song after 'God Only Knows'.

From 'Carl & The Passions - So Tough':
All This Is That A very gentle, slightly mystical song that might take a while to sink in, but it's absolutely beautiful.
Cuddle Up If there's a heaven, this should be the "theme song" playing at the gates.

From 'Holland':
Sail On, Sailor Some people say that The Beach Boys couldn't rock, and that they were the whitest sounding group ever. They should listen to this.
California Saga/Big Sur Mike Love was never a great songwriter, but he did write one great song: this one. A beautiful tribute to one of California's most beautiful places.

I'll give those songs a listen. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on May 10, 2011, 01:35:33 AM
I guess you know this Beach Boys-like song by Sagittarius, produced by Gary Usher who wrote some lyrics for early Brian Wilson's songs.

Sagittarius - My World Fell Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs-oGEhDP0E#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on May 10, 2011, 04:28:59 AM
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I guess that 'Pet Sounds' just has a certain kind of mood that you either get, or don't get. Probably a matter of taste. And then again, you should give it another chance because I do think it's an album that just needs a while to sink in. I also wasn't impressed the first few times I heard it. But once the quarter dropped, it became my favorite album of all time and now I can easily listen to it several times in a row without getting bored of it.



That's just how I feel about it Joost. I kind of lurked here at first, reading old threads that interested me and I came across a discussion on Pet Sounds. I decided to give it a try and it and like you said it had to sink in. It took me about 2 times through then I couldn't wait to get home from work to listen to it. :) It's definitely a favorite now. I give you the credit for that.  ;)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on May 10, 2011, 06:23:41 AM
Pet Sounds takes more than one listen that is for sure. I remember downloading it for 5 bucks off itunes about two and a half years ago.  I had heard only a few songs before but listenen to the whole thing. Nothing really stuck with me the first time (I was 17).  I had promised to meet a friend for a movie, so I made a copy, and listened to it an a cold December night. No one on the road for the 15 minute drive up to the theater. 

Once it got to "You Still Believe in Me" (the stereo "velvet green" version which is the best), the outro send chills down my whole body. Little by little each songs hits a spot with you. At first listen only two songs might strike your fancy but after the 5th or 6th the ones you thought you didn't like actually are awesome like "I Know. . ."


Anyways, Joots. I have the Pet Sounds on LP, one from 1966 and one a repress.  The "You Still. . ." are different however. On the original I don't hear the double on the lead but on the represss it's very obvious.  Am I just hearing wrong?  The 1966 sounds very similar to the stereo just Brian singing version.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 10, 2011, 10:28:28 AM
I guess you know this Beach Boys-like song by Sagittarius, produced by Gary Usher who wrote some lyrics for early Brian Wilson's songs.

Sagittarius - My World Fell Down ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs-oGEhDP0E#[/url])


Yeah, that's a great song. Beach Boy Bruce Johnston sings on it, most notably on the first "My world fell down" line on every chorus.

Anyways, Joots. I have the Pet Sounds on LP, one from 1966 and one a repress.  The "You Still. . ." are different however. On the original I don't hear the double on the lead but on the represss it's very obvious.  Am I just hearing wrong?  The 1966 sounds very similar to the stereo just Brian singing version.

I don't know, I never noticed that, but it could be true. Some remixed/remastered 'Pet Sounds' songs are not exactly the same as the originals for some technical reasons. The most obvious difference is the "Maybe if we think and hope and pray..." section on 'Wouldn't It Be Nice'. Mike originally sings that, but when the song was remixed for the 'Made in USA' compilation in the mid-80s, that vocal was apparantely not on the multitrack tapes. So they used Brian's guide vocal instead.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on July 31, 2011, 02:27:02 AM
Yeah, that's a great song. Beach Boy Bruce Johnston sings on it, most notably on the first "My world fell down" line on every chorus.
I don't know, I never noticed that, but it could be true. Some remixed/remastered 'Pet Sounds' songs are not exactly the same as the originals for some technical reasons. The most obvious difference is the "Maybe if we think and hope and pray..." section on 'Wouldn't It Be Nice'. Mike originally sings that, but when the song was remixed for the 'Made in USA' compilation in the mid-80s, that vocal was apparantely not on the multitrack tapes. So they used Brian's guide vocal instead.

How's it going "Joost?" I hope all is well with you. I understand that you know people from The Beach Boys camp. So do I! The Beach Boys and I have a little history together. When I introduced myself on the Introduction thread, I stated that I knew and partied with famous Rock stars. The Beach Boys were one of them. Through Ed Roach, I met Denny (Dennis Wilson) at a party on my 20th "B" day which was on 7 April 1981. I partied with Denny the last two years of his life. I met author Jon Stebbins (The Real Beach Boy, Dennis Wilson) and he is supposed to put some of my many "Denny" stories in his next edition. As for Brian, I still keep in touch with Brian to this very day. I have also met Billy Hinsche and have spoken with him through the years up to now. I would like to converse with you about The Beach Boys sometime especially about the SMiLE sessions. I own so many SMiLE bootlegs that its not even funny. What do you think about Capitol Records FINALLY releasing the SMiLE sessions in a Boxset in December 2011? I can't wait.

As for the Pet Sounds album , have you ever heard both the DCC Compact Classics 24 KT. Gold CD (GZS-1035) 1993 release version as well as the Audio Fidelity 24 KT. Gold CD (AFZ 031) 2009 release version? In my opinion, the Audio Fidelity release sounds so much better than the DCC Compact Classics release especially since the Audio Fidelity release is HDCD encoded. Steve Hoffman mastered both releases but he really did a great job with the newer Audio Fidelity release. Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL) is FINALLY going to release the Pet Sounds album SOON in the 24 KT. Gold CD ULTRADISC UHR series using the Gain 2 technology process. I can't wait till the MFSL release arrives, I've already pre-ordered it. I hope to talk with you soon, take care.         
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on July 31, 2011, 09:46:36 AM
Hi BeatlesForever,

Always good to meet other Beach Boys fans here. :)

No, I don't know anyone from the Beach Boys camp. I'm just a fan, I got all my information from books, websites and forums. But it's really cool that you('ve) know(n) Dennis and Brian! It's funny that one of your stories will be in Jon Stebbins' book, my name will be in there too. Jon found some lists that I'd made and asked my permission to use them in his book, with a "courtesy of..." credit.

About the SMiLE box set: I'm obviously very much looking forward to hearing all those fresh new mixes and unreleased takes and all that. But the most important thing to me is that there's finally going to be an official SMiLE by The Beach Boys. It's been one of the best albums ever made for the past 45 years and yet it officially doesn't even excist. I'm glad that's finally going to change. (BTW: where did you get the December 2011 release date from? Last thing I read was that it will be out on October 4)

Can't give you an opinion about the different Pet Sounds versions, I'm not an "audiophile" at all.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on July 31, 2011, 11:26:21 AM
How's it going Joost? I read on one of the many SMiLE release websites that December 2011 would be the release date seeing that the original SMiLE album was supposed to be released in December 1966, then the release date was moved up to January 1967 and so on. I will confess, I love the 4 October 2011 release date better. I understand that Brian has really been working hard in trying to find suitable tracks for the boxset, I'm just glad that the SMiLE sessions is finally going to be released. We'll just have to wait and see.

As for my opinion of the Pet Sounds albums with Audiophile sound quality, the DCC Compact Classics 1993 release version had lots of distortion and the high treble sounds are weak. You could not raise the volume to higher decibals without hearing more distortion.

Steve Hoffman fixed that in the Audio Fidelity 2009 release version. The distortion is gone and you can raise the volume to higher decibals and hear beautiful crisp high trebles with powerful pounding bass sounds.

Both Pet Sounds albums were prepared with the unequalized full-track Monophonic master mixes.

I understand that MFSL will use the best Stereophonic mix source for their upcoming release. In my opinion and I'm really going out on a limb here, the MFSL release will be the best overall sound quality ever! I have been a MFSL fan since the 1970's and I truly believe in MFSL.

I also have the Pet Sounds album in the DVD Audio Advanced Resolution format (72434-77937-9-0) and it sounds fantastic. I'm listening to the DVD Audio version of Pet Sounds as we speak. The DVD Audio version will play different ways: Advanced Resolution Surround, Advanced Resolution Stereo, Advanced Resolution Mono, DTS 5.1 Surround Sound and DVD-Video Compatible Dolby Digital 5.1. All I will say is this format gave the Pet Sounds album a whole new life of its own. Pet Sounds NEVER sounded better. The sound clarity is unsurpassed with crisp clear high trebles (No Hisses) with powerful bass. There is NO distortions at all in the DVD-Audio release. MFSL has a little competition here but I feel confident that MFSL will top this one. Take care.               
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on July 31, 2011, 05:43:49 PM
I understand that Brian has really been working hard in trying to find suitable tracks for the boxset               

It is my understanding that Mark Linett (engineer) and Alan Boyd (archivist) have done all the research and that Brian's role was basically limited to just giving his approval.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on July 31, 2011, 06:15:39 PM
I started to listen to "Pet Sounds" about a month ago and I've loved it since. I have a few questions about some songs here :

Is Brian singing lead on all of the "I'm Waiting For The Day"? The voice(s) seem so different, the "I came along..." verse sounds to me a bit different from the "I kissed your lips". The whole song is sung by Brian or is there another Beach Boy singing lead?

Is Brian the one who sings in high voice "without you" at the end of "God Only Knows" ? Also, God Only Knows seems to be the most appreciated song here, is there any particular reason why Brian let Carl Wilson sing the lead?

And my last question, what Beach Boys album should I listen to next?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on July 31, 2011, 06:37:43 PM
It is my understanding that Mark Linett (engineer) and Alan Boyd (archivist) have done all the research and that Brian's role was basically limited to just giving his approval.

How's it going Joost, my fellow Beach Boys fan? You are right, Mark Linett and Alan Boyd have played a vital role in the SMiLE project but Brian's input turned out to be much more than he expected. As you well know, Brian and Darian Sahanaja went through the original SMiLE tapes for Brian's solo 2004 SMiLE release. Brian was pretty familiar with the SMiLE master tapes and decided to assist both Linett and Boyd. Brian is really getting more involved with the project as he should be which will give SMiLE fans more to look forward to. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on July 31, 2011, 06:51:20 PM
I started to listen to "Pet Sounds" about a month ago and I've loved it since. I have a few questions about some songs here :

Is Brian singing lead on all of the "I'm Waiting For The Day"? The voice(s) seem so different, the "I came along..." verse sounds to me a bit different from the "I kissed your lips". The whole song is sung by Brian or is there another Beach Boy singing lead?

Is Brian the one who sings in high voice "without you" at the end of "God Only Knows" ? Also, God Only Knows seems to be the most appreciated song here, is there any particular reason why Brian let Carl Wilson sing the lead?

And my last question, what Beach Boys album should I listen to next?

How's it going "The 5th Beatle?" I hope all is well with you. You have great taste in albums, Pet Sounds is one of the Top 10 all-time greatest albums ever. I feel confident that Joost could answer your questions here but I'll help him out on this one. The answer to your first two questions is yes! As for your last question, "what Beach Boys album should I listen to next?" That's a hard one. In my opinion, it would be Friends, 20/20 or Sunflower. Sunflower has always been one of my personal favorites, The Beach Boys have always called the Sunflower album their "Sgt. Pepper" album. I hope that this helps you. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on July 31, 2011, 07:28:58 PM
How's it going "The 5th Beatle?" I hope all is well with you. You have great taste in albums, Pet Sounds is one of the Top 10 all-time greatest albums ever. I feel confident that Joost could answer your questions here but I'll help him out on this one. The answer to your first two questions is yes! As for your last question, "what Beach Boys album should I listen to next?" That's a hard one. In my opinion, it would be Friends, 20/20 or Sunflower. Sunflower has always been one of my personal favorites, The Beach Boys have always called the Sunflower album their "Sgt. Pepper" album. I hope that this helps you. Take care.

Thanks very much for the answers. I love "Pet Sounds".I think Brian said that if you want to get and to like Pet Sounds you have to listen to it in a dark room with headphones on (correct me if I'm wrong). About a month ago, I couldn't sleep one night at all, so I took my mp3 player and I just listened to album after album. I was staying in bed, just listening to the songs and really seeking them. It was about 5 a.m. when I decided I should give "Pet Sounds" a listen to see if I can "get it". I also had a bit of a background, I have heard both "God Only Knows" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice" before. It was an amazing experience. While the album was playing, the night turned into day, and I remember me watching the sunrise on the window while listening to "I'm Waiting For The Day". It was the best thing that happened to me this summer by far. Of course after that, I listened to the album about 4 times that day. I'm willing to explore the Beach Boys world more, and I've decided to go with "Sunflower". Thanks again for the replay.  :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on July 31, 2011, 08:02:18 PM
In addition to BeatlesForever's answers:

Apparently, Brian didn't just sing all the leads on 'I'm Waiting For The Day', but all the backing vocals as well.

The final section of 'God Only Knows' is sung by Brian (2x) and Bruce. Carl doesn't sing on that section, he'd already gone home.

My choice for the album to listen to next: I agree that 'Sunflower' is the best one, and that 'Friends' and '20/20' are really good too. 'The Beach Boys Today!' is also an interesting one as it is the "missing link" between early Beach Boys and 'Pet Sounds'. Side A (uptempo songs) of that LP lifts the early BB sound to a higher level, side B (mostly ballads) already sounds pretty similar to 'Pet Sounds'.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on July 31, 2011, 08:21:01 PM
Thanks very much for the answers. I love "Pet Sounds".I think Brian said that if you want to get and to like Pet Sounds you have to listen to it in a dark room with headphones on (correct me if I'm wrong). About a month ago, I couldn't sleep one night at all, so I took my mp3 player and I just listened to album after album. I was staying in bed, just listening to the songs and really seeking them. It was about 5 a.m. when I decided I should give "Pet Sounds" a listen to see if I can "get it". I also had a bit of a background, I have heard both "God Only Knows" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice" before. It was an amazing experience. While the album was playing, the night turned into day, and I remember me watching the sunrise on the window while listening to "I'm Waiting For The Day". It was the best thing that happened to me this summer by far. Of course after that, I listened to the album about 4 times that day. I'm willing to explore the Beach Boys world more, and I've decided to go with "Sunflower". Thanks again for the replay.  :)

Hello again "The 5th Beatle?" Brian did mention about listening to Pet Sounds in a dark room with headphones on. He also loved to put his face in from of either the right or left speaker in order to feel the music. Placing his face in front of either the right or left speaker due to being deaf in one ear, is one of the main reasons why he recorded The Beach Boys music in Mono. Doing this, he could hear the same sounds from both speakers. Prior to Brain taking over the reins in the studio, other producers (Other than Brian's father Murry) recorded some of the earlier Beach Boys songs in Stereo.

As for choosing the Sunflower album as your next choice, I feel confident that you will enjoy the album. Enjoy and take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on July 31, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
In addition to BeatlesForever's answers:

Apparently, Brian didn't just sing all the leads on 'I'm Waiting For The Day', but all the backing vocals as well.

The final section of 'God Only Knows' is sung by Brian (2x) and Bruce. Carl doesn't sing on that section, he'd already gone home.

My choice for the album to listen to next: I agree that 'Sunflower' is the best one, and that 'Friends' and '20/20' are really good too. 'The Beach Boys Today!' is also an interesting one as it is the "missing link" between early Beach Boys and 'Pet Sounds'. Side A (uptempo songs) of that LP lifts the early BB sound to a higher level, side B (mostly ballads) already sounds pretty similar to 'Pet Sounds'.

Thanks Joost, I couldn't have said it better myself. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on August 01, 2011, 08:45:18 AM
As The Beatles were changing their musical directions right after Beatlemania (1964), I think their fanbase changed somewhat. Did The Beach Boys encounter a same experience?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 01, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
As The Beatles were changing their musical directions right after Beatlemania (1964), I think their fanbase changed somewhat. Did The Beach Boys encounter a same experience?

How's it going Bobber? I hope all is well with you. In my opinion, each time The Beatles changed their musical direction, their fanbase grew more as years wore on. The Beatles were leading the way in changing music forever and other bands were following them and changing with the times. However, it was John's 1966 "we are more popular than Jesus" quote (Which is fact) that changed their fanbase just a little but not for long. Another was when Magical Mystery Tour was released for British television in black and white in 1967. When Brian died, The Beatles were lost with no direction. The Beatles were not businessmen or managers, they were musicians. When Magical Mystery Tour was shown on British television in black and white in 1967, the music critics HATED it! When the BBC showed Magical Mystery Tour again one week later, this time in color, it was too late. The damage was done. However, the Magical Mystery Tour album made up for it, its a great album. In my opinion, showing the film in black and white did not help, there were so many beautiful images in the film that it deserved to or should have been showed in color rather than in black and white. I have to admit, the plot was kind of weak but the music video scenes made up for it. I read later that when film maker Steven Spielberg was lecturing and teaching what great film making is in college, he would use the Magical Mystery Tour film as a great tool for great film making. Isn't that interesting?       

As for The Beach Boys, they encountered the same experience but in a different way. When Brian had a nervous breakdown in 1964 and was later replaced by Glen Campbell to tour with The Beach Boys, their fanbase changed somewhat but not by much. When Pet Sounds was released in 1966, it would generate a different fanbase seeing that Brian was trying to deviate from the original "Beach Boys surf sound formula" in order to be more competitive with The Beatles. What REALLY changed The Beach Boys' fanbase forever was when Brian cancelled the much anticipated SMiLE album in 1967. The world was hearing so much about the SMiLE album before it was even released. When Brian cancelled the SMiLE album as well as The Beach Boys' appearance at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967, their chances of being recognized as a real legitimate Rock band (And not a surf band) as well as their fanbase suffered. You can almost say that their popularity changed overnight. The fact of Brian being a genius was starting to change for the worse. Bruce Johnston would be quoted as saying that The Beach Boys will forever be known as "surfin' Doris Day's!" I have heard many people refer The Beach Boys as an oldies band rather than a classic Rock band like The Beatles. That is so sad. I hope that this helps, I feel confident that Joost can add more. Take care.               
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 01, 2011, 07:16:30 PM
As The Beatles were changing their musical directions right after Beatlemania (1964), I think their fanbase changed somewhat. Did The Beach Boys encounter a same experience?

My view:

I think that around 1967 their fanbase pretty much vanished rather than changed (only in the US though, in Europe their popularity remained fairly constant until will into the 70s). 'Friends' (1968) and 'Sunflower' (1970) are now universally regarded as two of the band's best albums, but at the time they didn't even come close to the Billboard Album Top 100. Almost all their late 60s and early 70s singles missed the charts. And the band played concerts for as little as 300 people. The Beach Boys were still playing Fun Fun Fun and Little Deuce Coupe in their identical striped shirts when Hendrix, the Death and Dylan were already at their top, so despite Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations the Beach Boys were quickly regarded as irrelevant has-beens. That didn't really change until the first wave of early 60s nostalgia in the mid 70s.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 01, 2011, 09:21:35 PM
My view:

I think that around 1967 their fanbase pretty much vanished rather than changed (only in the US though, in Europe their popularity remained fairly constant until will into the 70s). 'Friends' (1968) and 'Sunflower' (1970) are now universally regarded as two of the band's best albums, but at the time they didn't even come close to the Billboard Album Top 100. Almost all their late 60s and early 70s singles missed the charts. And the band played concerts for as little as 300 people. The Beach Boys were still playing Fun Fun Fun and Little Deuce Coupe in their identical striped shirts when Hendrix, the Death and Dylan were already at their top, so despite Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations the Beach Boys were quickly regarded as irrelevant has-beens. That didn't really change until the first wave of early 60s nostalgia in the mid 70s.

How's it going Joost? We pretty much summed up that topic. Thank God that Capitol Records released The Beach Boys' Endless Summer (1974) and Spirit of America (1975) Greatest Hits compilation albums, it resurrected The Beach Boys' career. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on August 02, 2011, 07:16:16 AM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 02, 2011, 12:47:45 PM
Thanks for the info.

Hi Bobber! How are you? I hope all is well with you. You're very welcome. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 02, 2011, 05:46:15 PM
How's it going Joost? We pretty much summed up that topic. Thank God that Capitol Records released The Beach Boys' Endless Summer (1974) and Spirit of America (1975) Greatest Hits compilation albums, it resurrected The Beach Boys' career. Take care.

Doing great, how about you?

I think those compilations were a blessing and a curse at the same time. A blessing because it made them popular again. A curse because it proved what Mike Love had been saying all along: people weren't interested in hearing The Beach Boys making progress and doing new things, they just wanted the old sun & fun hits. Up until 'Endless Summer' came out, The Beach Boys were still making excellent albums, but after that they went drastically downhill creatively and artistically.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 02, 2011, 06:55:29 PM
Doing great, how about you?

I think those compilations were a blessing and a curse at the same time. A blessing because it made them popular again. A curse because it proved what Mike Love had been saying all along: people weren't interested in hearing The Beach Boys making progress and doing new things, they just wanted the old sun & fun hits. Up until 'Endless Summer' came out, The Beach Boys were still making excellent albums, but after that they went drastically downhill creatively and artistically.

Hi Joost! I'm doing great, I'm just about to finish lunch. Its tough being a manager. Its really interesting how you mentioned that it was a curse because it proved what Mike Love had been saying all along: people weren't interested in hearing The Beach Boys making progress and doing new things, people just wanted to hear the old sun & fun hits. I'd like to say something different. Actually, people (Fans) and the music critics were interested in The Beach Boys making progress and doing new things such as Brian experimenting in the studio with new sounds like he did with Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations and the unreleased SMiLE album. The truth here Joost is that Mike Love was NOT in favor of Brian experimenting in the studio and/or releasing the Pet Sounds album as well as the Good Vibrations single. Mike Love hated SMiLE, Mike Love did not want Brian to mess with or alter The Beach Boys trademark "surf sound" music formula. Mike Love was one of the main reasons why Brian gave up his musical creativity in the studio thus halting any chances of The Beach Boys making any progress with different music sounds in the recording studio. The other reasons were the label (Capitol Records which hated both Pet Sounds and SMiLE), Carl Wilson (Brian's Brother) and Murry Wilson (Brian's Father). Both Murry and Carl, other than Mike, were against the SMiLE project as was Capitol Records. Rather than fight them all, Brian just abandoned the SMiLE project all together. If The Beach Boys got stuck and labeled as an Oldies surf band, Mike Love was one of the many reasons why. Take care.             
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 02, 2011, 08:17:53 PM
Although I hate to say it, I think that Mike Love was in fact right - the people didn't want The Beach Boys to make progress and do new things. 'Pet Sounds' sold worse than the last six albums that The Beach Boys released before it. 'Heroes and Villains' was relatively a flop, going to just #12. I'm afraid that 'SMiLE' wouldn't have been a big commercial success either. Everything new that The Beach Boys tried after 1967 was by definition commercially unsuccesful.

Every hit they scored after 1967 was either a retro song trying to recreate the old sound (Do It Again, It's OK, Good Timin', Getcha Back), a cover of an oldie (I Can Hear Music, Rock & Roll Music, Come Go With Me, Wipe Out), a piece of musical plastic (Kokomo) or a re-release of older material (like the Endless Summer and Spirit of America compilations). Brilliant albums like 'Wild Honey', 'Sunflower', 'Holland' and 'Friends' all flopped. Brilliant singles like 'Friends', 'Break Away', 'Long Promised Road' and 'Surf's Up' flopped.

I agree completely with what you write about Mike Love. He didn't want progress, he wanted to stick to the formula. To this day, he himself won't even try to deny that.

I think that The Beach Boys in the mid 70s had two options. One: continuing as a cult band, making excellent new and progressive albums for a relatively small audience. Two: giving up on that and becoming a flesh-made oldies jukebox. The Wilsons wanted to go in the first direction, Mike Love (and probably Al Jardine and Bruce Johnston too) wanted to go in the second direction. By making Endess Summer and Spirit Of America so hugely successful, the American public basically voted for Mike.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 02, 2011, 09:05:43 PM
Although I hate to say it, I think that Mike Love was in fact right - the people didn't want The Beach Boys to make progress and do new things. 'Pet Sounds' sold worse than the last six albums that The Beach Boys released before it. 'Heroes and Villains' was relatively a flop, going to just #12. I'm afraid that 'SMiLE' wouldn't have been a big commercial success either. Everything new that The Beach Boys tried after 1967 was by definition commercially unsuccesful.

Every hit they scored after 1967 was either a retro song trying to recreate the old sound (Do It Again, It's OK, Good Timin', Getcha Back), a cover of an oldie (I Can Hear Music, Rock & Roll Music, Come Go With Me, Wipe Out), a piece of musical plastic (Kokomo) or a re-release of older material (like the Endless Summer and Spirit of America compilations). Brilliant albums like 'Wild Honey', 'Sunflower', 'Holland' and 'Friends' all flopped. Brilliant singles like 'Friends', 'Break Away', 'Long Promised Road' and 'Surf's Up' flopped.

I agree completely with what you write about Mike Love. He didn't want progress, he wanted to stick to the formula. To this day, he himself won't even try to deny that.

I think that The Beach Boys in the mid 70s had two options. One: continuing as a cult band, making excellent new and progressive albums for a relatively small audience. Two: giving up on that and becoming a flesh-made oldies jukebox. The Wilsons wanted to go in the first direction, Mike Love (and probably Al Jardine and Bruce Johnston too) wanted to go in the second direction. By making Endess Summer and Spirit Of America so hugely successful, the American public basically voted for Mike.

Hi Joost! I really truly believe that you and I are seeing eye to eye, its just that we are wording it differently. It is true, Pet Sounds did not sell as well as Brian would have hoped, however, Good Vibrations was the band's first worldwide million selling number 1 single. Thinking about it now, as much as I hate to admit it, we are both right! Some fans did not want the creative sounds of Pet Sounds or SMiLE. However, serious musicians, producers (Such as George Martin) and important people in the music industry, wanted creative sounds from The Beach Boys such as Pet Sounds and SMiLE. Many important people in the music industry (The Beatles included) respected Brian as an equal and considered him somewhat of a threat for what he was recording and accomplishing in the studio.

You know what's really funny Joost, here we are talking about what Brian was recording in the studio and that certain fans were not very responsive to his creative sounds that were considered by many music critics, too far ahead of its time. In my opinion, Pet Sounds and the unreleased SMiLE were too far ahead of their time. Yet, Pet Sounds is considered one of popular music's all-time greatest achievements to this very day.

Why is it that no one thought badly of The Beatles when they changed the music world forever with Rubber Soul, (1965), Revolver (1966) and Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)? The Beatles were far ahead of their time and were not afraid to explore and experiment with different sounds in the studio. Maybe its because The Beatles were the exception to the rule and/or The Beatles had all of the support they needed in order for them to accomplish whatever they wanted in the studio which was not the case with Brian and The Beach Boys. What's your make on this Joost? Take care.       
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 02, 2011, 10:34:27 PM
Why is it that no one thought badly of The Beatles when they changed the music world forever with Rubber Soul, (1965), Revolver (1966) and Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)? The Beatles were far ahead of their time and were not afraid to explore and experiment with different sounds in the studio. Maybe its because The Beatles were the exception to the rule and/or The Beatles had all of the support they needed in order for them to accomplish whatever they wanted in the studio which was not the case with Brian and The Beach Boys. What's your make on this Joost? Take care.     

I think that Brian was in exactly the wrong time at exactly the wrong place (which makes the song 'I Just Wasn't Made for These Times' pretty ironic). 'Pet Sounds' did great pretty much everywhere except for where it mattered the most to him, in the USA. And nobody ever questioned how great it was, except for when it came out in 1966.

Brian was also working under entirely different circumstances than John & Paul. John & Paul had each other and were both progressive musicians and songwriters. They had George Martin who was willing to follow them where ever they would go. And they had enough credit with their record company to do whatever they wanted. Brian on the other hand was The Beach Boys' John, Paul and George Martin all combined into one person. He was on his own. And not just that, he had to deal with a band that wasn't quite as progressive as he was.

I think you should imagine John Lennon presenting 'Strawberry Fields Forever' to The Beatles, and having Paul, George and Ringo say something like, "Wow, that's pretty weird... Can't you just write something like 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' or 'Please Please Me'?". That's pretty much the situation that Brian Wilson had to deal with.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 02, 2011, 11:03:13 PM
I think that Brian was in exactly the wrong time at exactly the wrong place (which makes the song 'I Just Wasn't Made for These Times' pretty ironic). 'Pet Sounds' did great pretty much everywhere except for where it mattered the most to him, in the USA. And nobody ever questioned how great it was, except for when it came out in 1966.

Brian was also working under entirely different circumstances than John & Paul. John & Paul had each other and were both progressive musicians and songwriters. They had George Martin who was willing to follow them where ever they would go. And they had enough credit with their record company to do whatever they wanted. Brian on the other hand was The Beach Boys' John, Paul and George Martin all combined into one person. He was on his own. And not just that, he had to deal with a band that wasn't quite as progressive as he was.

I think you should imagine John Lennon presenting 'Strawberry Fields Forever' to The Beatles, and having Paul, George and Ringo say something like, "Wow, that's pretty weird... Can't you just write something like 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' or 'Please Please Me'?". That's pretty much the situation that Brian Wilson had to deal with.

Hi Joost! I look forward to reading your posts. Everything you said, I'm on the same wave length with you. I would like to add that both The Beatles and The beach Boys were both on the Capitol Records label. However, both bands were from different countries and The Beatles worked for EMI, which owned Capitol Records. In England, it was easy for The Beatles to get all of the support they needed which was not the case for Brian. Pet Sounds was extremely loved, accepted and successful in England. Like you said, The Beach Boys were more popular everywhere else (Including England) except where it mattered the most, in the U.S.A. That is so sad.

Which brings up the next question, why is it that the British bands had more success and were more popular in the U.S. more than they were in their own homeland which is England? And vice versa? The Beach Boys were more popular in England than they ever were here in America. Thats really puzzled me. Whats really funny is that The Beach Boys were once called America's band, yet they were never treated that way.

When you think about it, Brian was an engineer, an arranger, a songwriter and a producer all in one! Isn't that incredible? Brian had no one! The Beatles (John and Paul) had it all including the support of the record label and George Martin. I really wish that the certain people that were involved with the SMiLE project, would have let Brian do whatever he wanted to do in the studio and let him stay competitive with The Beatles. If that would have happened, no telling what Brian would have achieved or accomplished. Then again, now its only speculation.

Coincidently, it was "Strawberry Fields Forever" that made Brian feel that he lost his musical race with The Beatles. Brian would feel that The Beatles were truly the first to incorporate the "new sound." It was at that point (At least one of them), that Brian slowly started to lose his confidence in finishing SMiLE. What do you think Joost?         
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on August 04, 2011, 07:32:26 AM
Hi Bobber! How are you? I hope all is well with you. You're very welcome. Take care.

I'm fine John, thanks. You too?
You and Joost have given me a nice view into the Beach Boys state of mind of the late /60's. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 04, 2011, 12:44:01 PM
Which brings up the next question, why is it that the British bands had more success and were more popular in the U.S. more than they were in their own homeland which is England? And vice versa? The Beach Boys were more popular in England than they ever were here in America. Thats really puzzled me. Whats really funny is that The Beach Boys were once called America's band, yet they were never treated that way.

Brian Wilson and Mike Love have always said that British people just have a more delicate taste, but I don't think that would explain everything. I think that what makes the difference is that The Beach Boys were famous in America since early 1962, when they were still a surf band. They got big in America as a surf band, and they never really succeeded in getting rid of that image. So when they started trying different things, the American fans were like, "Hey, wait a minute... This doesn't sound like The Beach Boys!". In most European countries however, The Beach Boys didn't start having major hit singles until 1964 or 1965 (here in The Netherlands they didn't even have their first top ten hit until mid 1966), when they were already past the surf thing and making more advanced music. So I think that's why the European people were much more open to the changes.

If that would have happened, no telling what Brian would have achieved or accomplished. Then again, now its only speculation.

That is indeed hard to say. If he would've finished 'SMiLE' and it would've been a hit, it might have given his ego a big enough boost to keep going. But on the other hand, with Brian's naturally fragile mental health and his drug use, I think that it was bound to go wrong anyway...

Coincidently, it was "Strawberry Fields Forever" that made Brian feel that he lost his musical race with The Beatles. Brian would feel that The Beatles were truly the first to incorporate the "new sound." It was at that point (At least one of them), that Brian slowly started to lose his confidence in finishing SMiLE. What do you think Joost?         

I personally think that the effect that the 'Strawberry Fields Forever' b/w 'Penny Lane' single and the 'Sgt. Pepper' album had on Brian's mental state has been hugely overrated. I love 'Strawberry Fields' as much as anyone else, it's one of the greatest singles of the 1960s, but is it so good that it could make a guy who still had songs like 'Surf's Up', 'Cabin Essence' and 'Wonderful' up his sleeve just lose his self-confidence? I find that hard to believe. There was a lot more going on.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 04, 2011, 06:38:16 PM
I'm fine John, thanks. You too?
You and Joost have given me a nice view into the Beach Boys state of mind of the late /60's. Thanks.

Hi Bobber! I hope all is well with you and your family. I'm doing great Bobber, thank you. I'm really glad that Joost and I posted comments on The Beach Boys like we did, I feel it really gave the members here on the forum a more overall view of what really happened during those crucial years (1966-67). I'm glad you enjoyed it. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 04, 2011, 07:24:51 PM
Brian Wilson and Mike Love have always said that British people just have a more delicate taste, but I don't think that would explain everything. I think that what makes the difference is that The Beach Boys were famous in America since early 1962, when they were still a surf band. They got big in America as a surf band, and they never really succeeded in getting rid of that image. So when they started trying different things, the American fans were like, "Hey, wait a minute... This doesn't sound like The Beach Boys!". In most European countries however, The Beach Boys didn't start having major hit singles until 1964 or 1965 (here in The Netherlands they didn't even have their first top ten hit until mid 1966), when they were already past the surf thing and making more advanced music. So I think that's why the European people were much more open to the changes.

That is indeed hard to say. If he would've finished 'SMiLE' and it would've been a hit, it might have given his ego a big enough boost to keep going. But on the other hand, with Brian's naturally fragile mental health and his drug use, I think that it was bound to go wrong anyway...

I personally think that the effect that the 'Strawberry Fields Forever' b/w 'Penny Lane' single and the 'Sgt. Pepper' album had on Brian's mental state has been hugely overrated. I love 'Strawberry Fields' as much as anyone else, it's one of the greatest singles of the 1960s, but is it so good that it could make a guy who still had songs like 'Surf's Up', 'Cabin Essence' and 'Wonderful' up his sleeve just lose his self-confidence? I find that hard to believe. There was a lot more going on.

Hello Joost, my fellow Beach Boys fan! How's it going in the Netherlands? I hope all is well with you. Thinking about it now, during those early Beach Boys years (1961-1962), Brian was really hesitant in recording Surf music. In reality, Brian hated Surf music. With that in mind, there was a verbal deal between Brian and Mike that after The Beach Boys become famous, Brian can change The Beach Boys' sound into anything he wanted. Of course, that would really never happen. With the pressure that Brian was dealing with (The Record label, Father Murry and Certain Beach Boys Members ), in my opinion, its really a wonder that Brian was permitted to record the Pet Sounds album as well as the "Good Vibrations" single.

Brian was dealing with severe depression throughout his whole career. With this in mind, Brian was always trying to please his Father as well as the band. When it came to family, Brian never wanted to offend anyone. As far as Drugs in the Brian Wilson story, LSD would play one of the vital roles as to why Brian was suffering from Auditory Halucinations. The late Syd Barrett (Pink Floyd), Peter Green (Fleetwood Mac) and Brian Wilson would suffer the same fate as a result of being a victim to LSD. LSD really destroyed Syd Barrett forever and it nearly destroyed both Peter Green and Brian Wilson. Its really a miracle that Brian and Peter came back from the depths of hell.

When Brian heard "Strawberry Fields Forever" for the first time, he believed that The Beatles had done what he had been trying to do with SMiLE and therefore, he felt like he lost the musical race with The Beatles. According to Brian, it was important to be the first one to incorporate the "new sound." When Brian didn't release the SMiLE album by the original due date (December 1966), and than heard "Strawberry Fields Forever," it would play some of the many vital factors as to why Brian just withdrew from taking SMiLE seriously. Also, in December 1966, when The Beach Boys arrived and came back to L.A. after having a successful tour in England, The Beach Boys (With the exception of Denny) hated SMiLE! When Brian tried to explain SMiLE to certain members of The Beach Boys, that would be one of the many contributing factors that would make Brian slowly lose his confidence in not finishing SMiLE. When Van Dyke Parks abandoned the SMiLE project after not being able to explain the meaning of the lyric "Columnated Ruins Domino" (From the song Surf's Up) to Mike Love, in my opinion, it would be one of the fatal blows that would permanently kill SMiLE. Like you said Joost, there was a lot more going on. Take care.             
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 04, 2011, 09:15:04 PM
Hello Joost, my fellow Beach Boys fan! How's it going in the Netherlands?
Great, thanks. How are you?

in my opinion, its really a wonder that Brian was permitted to record the Pet Sounds album as well as the "Good Vibrations" single.
Well, by the time he began recording 'Pet Sounds', Brian had already written 25 hit singles in 4 1/2 years, so they had to give him some credit. And Capitol was used to getting three new Beach Boys albums per year, so once Brian started recording 'Pet Sounds', they couldn't let him ditch it and start over from scratch. It would've ruined their release scedule. And it's not like 'Pet Sounds' was that much of a commercial disaster. After all, it did have 'Wouldn't It Be Nice', 'God Only Knows' and 'Sloop John B.'.

But nevertheless, Capitol released 'Best of the Beach Boys' quickly after 'Pet Sounds', just so that they could sell something is the new album wouldn't sell. Which was a pretty lousy move.

Also, in December 1966, when The Beach Boys arrived and came back to L.A. after having a successful tour in England, The Beach Boys (With the exception of Denny) hated SMiLE!         
Did they actually all hate 'SMiLE'? I'm sure Brian experienced it that way, and he might still feel that they did, but I'm not sure if that in fact is the truth. I think that Mike was the only one who was really against it. Carl called 'Smiley Smile' "A bunt instead of a grand slam", which suggests that he thought of 'SMiLE' as a potential grand slam. And after all, it was Carl who finished 'Our Prayer', 'Cabinessence' and 'Surf's Up' so that they could be released on '20/20' and 'Surf's Up'. Al sang on quite a lot of the 'SMiLE' material, much more than any of the other Beach Boys besides Brian himself. And Bruce was always very supportive of Brian and as an trained musician, he had a pretty open mind for more progressive and complex material.

When Van Dyke Parks abandoned the SMiLE project after not being able to explain the meaning of the lyric "Columnated Ruins Domino" (From the song Surf's Up) to Mike Love, in my opinion, it would be one of the fatal blows that would permanently kill SMiLE.
I could be wrong, but I believe it was an argument about "Over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield" (from 'Cabinessence') that made Van Dyke walk out. Brian actually once explained the lyrics of 'Surf's Up'. I'd have to look up the exact explanation, it's somewhere in Domenic Priore's 'SMiLE' book.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 04, 2011, 09:48:41 PM
Great, thanks. How are you?
Well, by the time he began recording 'Pet Sounds', Brian had already written 25 hit singles in 4 1/2 years, so they had to give him some credit. And Capitol was used to getting three new Beach Boys albums per year, so once Brian started recording 'Pet Sounds', they couldn't let him ditch it and start over from scratch. It would've ruined their release scedule. And it's not like 'Pet Sounds' was that much of a commercial disaster. After all, it did have 'Wouldn't It Be Nice', 'God Only Knows' and 'Sloop John B.'.

But nevertheless, Capitol released 'Best of the Beach Boys' quickly after 'Pet Sounds', just so that they could sell something is the new album wouldn't sell. Which was a pretty lousy move.
Did they actually all hate 'SMiLE'? I'm sure Brian experienced it that way, and he might still feel that they did, but I'm not sure if that in fact is the truth. I think that Mike was the only one who was really against it. Carl called 'Smiley Smile' "A bunt instead of a grand slam", which suggests that he thought of 'SMiLE' as a potential grand slam. And after all, it was Carl who finished 'Our Prayer', 'Cabinessence' and 'Surf's Up' so that they could be released on '20/20' and 'Surf's Up'. Al sang on quite a lot of the 'SMiLE' material, much more than any of the other Beach Boys besides Brian himself. And Bruce was always very supportive of Brian and as an trained musician, he had a pretty open mind for more progressive and complex material.
I could be wrong, but I believe it was an argument about "Over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield" (from 'Cabinessence') that made Van Dyke walk out. Brian actually once explained the lyrics of 'Surf's Up'. I'd have to look up the exact explanation, it's somewhere in Domenic Priore's 'SMiLE' book.

I'm doing great Joost, thanks for asking. Like Denny once said, "Brian is The Beach Boys!" In my opinion, The Beach Boys, especially Mike Love, should thank Brian everyday for making him rich.

As for all of The Beach Boys hating SMiLE, we both know Mike Love did, Carl did because Mike had control over Carl which made Brian feel betrayed. Bruce Johnston and Al Jardine, being outside of the family bubble, tried to be partially neutral to the SMiLE project but Al would slightly be on both Mike's and Carl's side just to keep the peace with Mike.

I do remember the lyric "Over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield" as being another clash between Mike Love and Van Dyke Parks. However, it was "Columnated Ruins Domino" that made Parks walk out and abandon SMiLE.

I love both the LOOK LISTEN VIBRATE SMiLE and THE STORY OF BRIAN WILSON'S LOST MASTERPIECE, SMiLE books by Domenic Priore. Those books are interesting. Take care.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 05, 2011, 11:18:41 PM
How's it going Joost? I hope that your Friday went well. On the way home from work, I stopped by Borders to check out their "going out of business" sale. I am glad that I did because I bought the last issue of MOJO Magazine entitled MOJO 60's, THE ULTIMATE COLLECTOR'S EDITION. The main topic of this magazine issue is The Beach Boys SMiLE album. The front cover states "The Beach Boys SMiLE, its here! At last! THE FULL STORY. This MOJO magazine issue contains a 20 page spectacular! It includes NEW interviews with Brian, Wilson, Mike Love, Van Dyke Parks, Al Jardine and much more!!! This special issue also includes a special exclusive Beach Boys 7-inch single inside. The vinyl is yellow and the two tracks are "Cabin Essence" (Side A) and "Wonderful" (Side B). These two tracks are from the forthcoming Capitol release "The SMiLE Sessions." The two tracks sound incredible! I hope that you can find this issue, its a good issue for Beach Boys diehards such as yourself. Take care Joost.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 06, 2011, 12:33:58 PM
I already got it last week, but thanks for the tip! I thought the articles were not all that great (nothing new really, and some pretty big mistakes... never knew Brian had a sister named Maureen, for instance...) but the 7" is a very cool collector's item.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 06, 2011, 01:39:01 PM
I already got it last week, but thanks for the tip! I thought the articles were not all that great (nothing new really, and some pretty big mistakes... never knew Brian had a sister named Maureen, for instance...) but the 7" is a very cool collector's item.

You're welcome Joost. I read the whole article last night and I was somewhat disappointed. I can't believe how much Mike Love was lying in that article. Joost, I met Mike Love in 1981 and let me say, I really don't think very highly of him. I never met Maureen but I heard that she was a Step-sister. One thing's for certain, she was never talked about later nor was she hardly ever a part of the Wilson family. I'll have to find out more on this. Take care Joost.       
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 06, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
You're welcome Joost. I read the whole article last night and I was somewhat disappointed. I can't believe how much Mike Love was lying in that article. Joost, I met Mike Love in 1981 and let me say, I really don't think very highly of him. I never met Maureen but I heard that she was a Step-sister. One thing's for certain, she was never talked about later nor was she hardly ever a part of the Wilson family. I'll have to find out more on this. Take care Joost.       

The Maureen that's mentioned in the article was very likely Mike's sister Maureen Love, who did indeed sing with her brother and cousins before they were The Beach Boys. She later became a professional harp player.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on August 06, 2011, 02:40:39 PM
I was listening to Friends and Sunflower lately. It looks like Brian gave up about making his all time pretentious masterpiece and the band just recorded some well crafted interesting music.

About the Smile project, it seems that Brian wasn't all that happy with Pet Sounds and wanted to go for more, but I don't blame him for being an obsessive genius.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 06, 2011, 03:03:11 PM
The Maureen that's mentioned in the article was very likely Mike's sister Maureen Love, who did indeed sing with her brother and cousins before they were The Beach Boys. She later became a professional harp player.

Now you really have my curiosity! Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 06, 2011, 03:36:31 PM
I was listening to Friends and Sunflower lately. It looks like Brian gave up about making his all time pretentious masterpiece and the band just recorded some well crafted interesting music.

About the Smile project, it seems that Brian wasn't all that happy with Pet Sounds and wanted to go for more, but I don't blame him for being an obsessive genius.

How's it going Hombre_de_ningun_lugar? I hope all is well with you and welcome to the discussion. Brian did lose the love and passion for recording advanced technological albums after SMiLE was cancelled. In the late 1960's and prior to the 1976 album 15 BIG ONES, Mike Love, Carl Wilson and sometimes Al Jardine would limit the time and access that Brian would spend in the studio. Since Brian would spend less time in the studio with The Beach Boys, he would spend time recording another band. A perfect example of this is detailed on page 128 of the book THE STORY OF BRIAN WILSON'S LOST MASTERPIECE SMiLE by Domenoc Priore. I know that Joost is very familiar with this story as told by Three Dog Night member Chuck Negron. The songs "Time To Get Alone" and "Darlin'" were songs that Brian wanted REDWOOD (Later changed to Three Dog Night) to record. Brian really wanted to sign REDWOOD to The Beach Boys' "Brother Records" label. Then Mike Love, Carl Wilson and Al Jardine walked in on the sessions and cornered Brian in the booth of the studio and tore him a new a*s! The mental abuse that Brian was taking from his own Cousin Mike, his own Brother Carl and his good friend Al was extremely too much to bare. All three would block Brian from walking away from them and eventually break Brian. Brian would be reduced to tears. Then Mike, Carl and Al would take the REDWOOD session tapes away from Brian in order to use the songs on future Beach Boys albums. Mike would also tell Brian that REDWOOD was not a good band and they're nothing! Mike would say no to signing REDWOOD. REDWOOD would sign on to a record label and change their name to Three Dog Night. And as the saying goes, as all of you know, the rest is Rock n' Roll history. Three Dog Night would become a very successful band in the 1970's.

In reality, Mike, Carl and sometimes Al, would play vital roles in keeping Brian from being the big genius that he really is. That's why Brian would no longer be allowed to participate in or be more creative behind the soundboard in the studio and produce another Beach Boys album until 1976 thanks mainly to Mike. The "Brian Is Back" campaign in 1976 was really BS! There is so much to The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson story that you have to read it to believe it. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on August 06, 2011, 03:48:18 PM
Hi BeatlesForever, thanks for the explanation, I didn't know the story of Brian behind Three Dog Night. I don't pretend to be much involved in the discussion since I'm not a Beach Boys expert like you both. I'm just familiar with Pet Sounds and most of their Top 40 hits. But I was reading your discussion with Joost and learnt some interesting things about the band!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 06, 2011, 04:51:13 PM
Hi BeatlesForever, thanks for the explanation, I didn't know the story of Brian behind Three Dog Night. I don't pretend to be much involved in the discussion since I'm not a Beach Boys expert like you both. I'm just familiar with Pet Sounds and most of their Top 40 hits. But I was reading your discussion with Joost and learnt some interesting things about the band!

You're very welcome. There is so much fatalities in The Beach Boys story that its a tragedy. The Beach Boys (With leader Brian) had all the potential in the world of becoming more successful than they were. In my opinion, when SMiLE died in 1967, I guess that it is fair to say that a part of Brian and the band died with it. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on August 17, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
This Whole World Anyone who thinks that Brian Wilson "lost it" after the 'Smile' debacle should just listen to this. It has so much chord and key changes that purely theoretically it's a big mess, and yet it works perfectly. Probably one of their richest songs.

I'm so in love with that song right now.It's incredibly catchy and good.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 19, 2011, 01:56:43 PM
Good but expensive times ahead for Beach Boys fans. This is all sceduled for release later this year:

Oct. 4: Al Jardine - A Postcard from California (released in 2010 as a download only release, will now be available on CD with bonus tracks)

Oct. 25: Brian Wilson - Songs in the Key of Disney (new album, covers of songs from classic Disney movies)

Nov. 1: SMiLE box set.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 21, 2011, 06:44:51 PM
I'm so in love with that song right now.It's incredibly catchy and good.

How's it going 5th Beatle? I hope all is well with you. "This Whole World" is a great song! In my opinion, the SUNFLOWER album is one of The Beach Boys' all-time greatest albums ever along side the PET SOUNDS album and the "Good Vibrations" single although SUNFLOWER never got the true recognition that it deserved. My favorite Dennis Wilson songs on this album are "Slip On Through" and "Forever." Take care.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 21, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
Good but expensive times ahead for Beach Boys fans. This is all sceduled for release later this year:

Oct. 4: Al Jardine - A Postcard from California (released in 2010 as a download only release, will now be available on CD with bonus tracks)

Oct. 25: Brian Wilson - Songs in the Key of Disney (new album, covers of songs from classic Disney movies)

Nov. 1: SMiLE box set.

How's it going Joost, my fellow Beach Boys fanatic? I hope all is well with you. I heard about these release dates also but December 2011 still keeps popping up for the SMiLE Box Set. However, I love the 1 November 2011 release date better. Lets see what happens. Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 26, 2011, 08:57:31 PM
(http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/TheGenuinePig/smileboxset.jpg)

The SMiLE Sessions box is now available for pre-order on Amazon. Release date will be November 1. Price will be $110 (very reasonable, I expected it to be at least $200).

Box (3D shadow box lid, 13" x 13" x 2,5"), will contain:
- 5 CD's (in a 6 panel folder)
- 2 LP's (in gatefold sleeve)
- 2 Vinyl singles (Heroes & Villains and Vegetables)
- 60 Page hardcover book with liner notes by Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, Frank Holmes, Peter Reum, Tom Nolan and Dominic Priore, anecdotes, a timeline, sessionography, lyrics, Frank Holmes drawings, producer's notes and more than 60 previously unreleased photo's.
- Reproduction of the original 12" x 12" booklet.
- 24" x 36" poster.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 27, 2011, 04:52:47 AM
([url]http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/TheGenuinePig/smileboxset.jpg[/url])

The SMiLE Sessions box is now available for pre-order on Amazon. Release date will be November 1. Price will be $110 (very reasonable, I expected it to be at least $200).

Box (3D shadow box lid, 13" x 13" x 2,5"), will contain:
- 5 CD's (in a 6 panel folder)
- 2 LP's (in gatefold sleeve)
- 2 Vinyl singles (Heroes & Villains and Vegetables)
- 60 Page hardcover book with liner notes by Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, Frank Holmes, Peter Reum, Tom Nolan and Dominic Priore, anecdotes, a timeline, sessionography, lyrics, Frank Holmes drawings, producer's notes and more than 60 previously unreleased photo's.
- Reproduction of the original 12" x 12" booklet.
- 24" x 36" poster.


How's it going Joost? I hope all is well in the Netherlands! I already pre-ordered mine on Amazon, I can't wait till it comes out. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 27, 2011, 01:16:57 PM
^ Good thing if you already ordered it, the price just went up to almost $150.

The tracklistings for the 2CD version and the 2LP version have been released. No tracklisting for the box set yet.

2cd

Disc: 1
1. Our Prayer
2. Gee
3. Heroes And Villains
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock)
5. I'm In Great Shape
6. Barnyard
7. My Only Sunshine (The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine)
8. Cabin Essence
9. Wonderful
10. Look (Song For Children)
11. Child Is Father Of The Man
12. Surf's Up
13. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop
14. Vega-Tables
15. Holidays
16. Wind Chimes
17. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow)
18. Love To Say Dada
19. Good Vibrations
20. You're Welcome (Bonus Track)
21. Heroes And Villains (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
23. Vega-Tables Demo (Bonus Track)
24. He Gives Speeches (Bonus Track)
25. Smile Backing Vocals Montage (Bonus Track)
26. Surf's Up 1967 (Solo version) (Bonus Track)
27. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Piano (Bonus Track)
Disc: 2
1. Our Prayer "Dialog" (9/19/66) 3:02
2. Heroes and Villains (Part 1) 3:08
3. Heroes and Villains (Part 2) 4:18
4. Heroes and Villains: Children Were Raised (1/27/67) 2:07
5. Heroes and Villains: Prelude to Fade (2/15/67) 3:42
6. My Only Sunshine (11/14/66) 6:52
7. Cabin Essence (10/3/66) 5:19
8. Surf's Up: 1st Movement (11/4/66) 4:55
9. Surf's Up Piano Demo (12/15/66) 3:53
10. Vegetables Fade (4/12/67) 5:25
11. The Elements: Fire session (11/28/66) 8:27
12. Cool Cool Water version 2 (10/26-10/29/67) 3:32
13. Good Vibrations Session Highlights 8:20
14. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Microphone (11/4/66) 1:10 (Hidden Track)


2LP

Disc: 1
1. Our Prayer (Side One)
2. Gee (Side One)
3. Heroes and Villains (Side One)
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock) (Side One)
5. I'm In Great Shape (Side One)
6. Barnyard (Side One)
7. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (Side One)
8. Cabin Essence (Side One)
9. Wonderful (Side Two)
10. Look (Song for Children) (Side Two)
11. Child Is Father of the Man (Side Two)
12. Surf's Up (Side Two)
Disc: 2
1. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop (Side Three)
2. Vega-Tables (Side Three)
3. Holidays (Side Three)
4. Wind Chimes (Side Three)
5. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire) (Side Three)
6. Love to Say Dada (Side Three)
7. Good Vibrations (Side Three)
8. Your Welcome - Stereo Mix (Side Four)
9. Vega-Tables - Stereo Mix (Side Four)
10. Wind Chimes - Stereo Mix (Side Four)
11. Cabin Essence - Session Highlights and Stereo Backing Track (Side Four)
12. Surf's Up - Session Excerpt and Stereo Mix (Side Four)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 27, 2011, 06:56:22 PM
^ Good thing if you already ordered it, the price just went up to almost $150.

The tracklistings for the 2CD version and the 2LP version have been released. No tracklisting for the box set yet.

2cd

Disc: 1
1. Our Prayer
2. Gee
3. Heroes And Villains
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock)
5. I'm In Great Shape
6. Barnyard
7. My Only Sunshine (The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine)
8. Cabin Essence
9. Wonderful
10. Look (Song For Children)
11. Child Is Father Of The Man
12. Surf's Up
13. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop
14. Vega-Tables
15. Holidays
16. Wind Chimes
17. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow)
18. Love To Say Dada
19. Good Vibrations
20. You're Welcome (Bonus Track)
21. Heroes And Villains (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
23. Vega-Tables Demo (Bonus Track)
24. He Gives Speeches (Bonus Track)
25. Smile Backing Vocals Montage (Bonus Track)
26. Surf's Up 1967 (Solo version) (Bonus Track)
27. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Piano (Bonus Track)
Disc: 2
1. Our Prayer "Dialog" (9/19/66) 3:02
2. Heroes and Villains (Part 1) 3:08
3. Heroes and Villains (Part 2) 4:18
4. Heroes and Villains: Children Were Raised (1/27/67) 2:07
5. Heroes and Villains: Prelude to Fade (2/15/67) 3:42
6. My Only Sunshine (11/14/66) 6:52
7. Cabin Essence (10/3/66) 5:19
8. Surf's Up: 1st Movement (11/4/66) 4:55
9. Surf's Up Piano Demo (12/15/66) 3:53
10. Vegetables Fade (4/12/67) 5:25
11. The Elements: Fire session (11/28/66) 8:27
12. Cool Cool Water version 2 (10/26-10/29/67) 3:32
13. Good Vibrations Session Highlights 8:20
14. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Microphone (11/4/66) 1:10 (Hidden Track)


2LP

Disc: 1
1. Our Prayer (Side One)
2. Gee (Side One)
3. Heroes and Villains (Side One)
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock) (Side One)
5. I'm In Great Shape (Side One)
6. Barnyard (Side One)
7. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (Side One)
8. Cabin Essence (Side One)
9. Wonderful (Side Two)
10. Look (Song for Children) (Side Two)
11. Child Is Father of the Man (Side Two)
12. Surf's Up (Side Two)
Disc: 2
1. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop (Side Three)
2. Vega-Tables (Side Three)
3. Holidays (Side Three)
4. Wind Chimes (Side Three)
5. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire) (Side Three)
6. Love to Say Dada (Side Three)
7. Good Vibrations (Side Three)
8. Your Welcome - Stereo Mix (Side Four)
9. Vega-Tables - Stereo Mix (Side Four)
10. Wind Chimes - Stereo Mix (Side Four)
11. Cabin Essence - Session Highlights and Stereo Backing Track (Side Four)
12. Surf's Up - Session Excerpt and Stereo Mix (Side Four)

How's it going Joost? Yes, I am glad that I ordered it sooner before the price jumped up. Then again, I figured that I had better pre-order it that way Capitol can't cancel it. Do you own any bootlegs on SMiLE Joost? I own at least 20 different versions of SMiLE. Some of these collections actually have great sound quality. I'll name off some and the tracks as follows:

The Beach Boys - SMiLE - T 2580-2 - No Label or date - Great sound quality

(1.) Good Vibrations (14:59)
(2.) Holidays (2:37)
(3.) Vegetables ((3:33)
(4.) Child Is Father Of The Man (1:55)
(5.) Wonderful (2:09)
(6.) Been Way Too Long (1:48)
(7.) Barnyard (0:55)
(8.) Cabinessence (2:31)
(9.) Our Prayer (1:08)
(10.) Tones (0:57)
(11.) Barnyard (0:52)
(12.) Heroes And Villians (7:04)
(13.) Do You Like Worms (3.55)
(14.) Wind Chimes (2:22)
(15.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (2:06)
(16.) George Fell Into His French Horn (3:02)
(17.) Surf's Up (5:16)
(18.) The Old Master Painter (0:16)
(19.) You Are My Sunshine (0:53)
(20.) Cool Cool Water (3:01)   

The Beach Boys - SMiLE - ST-9002 - Odeon Label - No date - Great sound quality

(1.) Our Prayer (1:05) Stereo rough mix
(2.) The Heroes And Villians Suite (10:02) A musical comedy, Stereo/Mono alternative
(3.) Do You Like Worms (4:04) Stereo
(4.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (2:40) The "Fire" Section in Stereo
(5.) Child Is Father Of The Man (3:54) Mono/Stereo alternative version
(6.) Cabinessence (3:33) Stereo
(7.) I Love To Say Da Da (1:31) Mono
(8.) Look (2:40) Stereo mix of Take 20
(9.) The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (1:07) Mono mix of vocal version
(10.) Wind Chimes (2:39) The "Air" section in Stereo
(11.) Barnyard (0:56) Mono
(12.) Vega-tables (4:10) The "Earth" section (Alternative version in Stereo)
(13.) Friday Night (aka "Woodchop Song") (1:38) Stereo
(14.) He Gives Speeches (0:56) Stereo
(15.) Holidays (aka "Tones/Tune X") (2:20) Mono
(16.) With Me Tonight (1:54) Stereo rough mix
(17.) Wonderful (Two versions) (3:25) Mono/Stereo
(18.) A "Wonderful" Insert (0:45) Stereo
(19.) Three Blind Mice (1:03) Stereo
(20.) Water/Cool, Cool Water (2:12) (The "Water" section) Stereo
(21.) Surf's Up (5:07) Stereo
(22.) You're Welcome (1:04) Mono rough mix
(23.) George Fell Into His French Horn (1:31) Tracking session excerpts in Mono
(24.) Bicycle Rider Theme (1:31) Stereo
(25.) Can't Wait Too Long (6:07) Mono
(26.) Wind Chimes (0:45) Alternative ending in Stereo
(27.) Cabinessence (3:57) (Backing Track) Stereo
(28.) Heroes And Villians/I'm In Great Shape/Barnyard (2:22) Piano demo in Mono
(29.) Good Vibrations closing-bit (0:55) Stereo
(30.) Smile Promo-advert (1:15) Mono

If you don't have The Beach Boys Archaeology 5-CD Set, The Beach Boys Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 16 (1966-1967) and The Beach Boys Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 (1966-1967) 3-CD Set, let me know and I'll list all of the tracks here on your thread. Take care Joost.       
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 27, 2011, 07:25:19 PM
Doing OK, how about you?

I have two SMiLE bootlegs. I have the Odeon CD that you mentioned, and an LP on green vinyl on Sea of Tunes, LP001 (although I'm pretty sure it wasn't made by the people who were responsible for the Sea of Tunes CDs).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 27, 2011, 07:59:51 PM
Beach Boys - The SMiLE Sessions (promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ruAQqMnrU#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 27, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
I think it's a good value even at Amazon's price of $147   But I'm happy you posted this information, Joost, as I pre-ordered mine yesterday.  And thank you for posting the additional information and promo video, Joost.

Barry
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 28, 2011, 12:42:52 AM
Doing OK, how about you?

I have two SMiLE bootlegs. I have the Odeon CD that you mentioned, and an LP on green vinyl on Sea of Tunes, LP001 (although I'm pretty sure it wasn't made by the people who were responsible for the Sea of Tunes CDs).

I'm doing great Joost, thanks for asking. The green LP/Vinyl by Sea Of Tunes (LP001) and the Sea Of Tunes CD's are two different distributors. In my opinion, the Sea Of Tunes CD's, especially the Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 16 and Vol. 17, have the ultimate SMiLE Sessions! The tracks on both Volumes are as follows:

The Beach Boys - SMiLE - Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 16 (1966-1967) - Sea Of Tunes Label - 1999 - C 9949 - Great sound quality

(1.) Prayer (1:05)
(2.) Heroes And Villains (2:55)
(3.) Barnyard (0:54)
(4.) Do You Like Worms (4:04)
(5.) The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (1:10)
(6.) He Gives Speeches (0:54)
(7.) Wonderful (2:05)
(8.) Child Is Father Of The Man (1:45)
(9.) Cabinessence (3:30)
(10.) Look (2:39)
(11) Good Vibrations (3:39)
(12.) I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night (1:35)
(13.) Vega-tables (3:27)
(14) Wind Chimes (2:26)
(15.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (2:34)
(16.) I love To Say Da Da (2:24)
(17.) You're Welcome (1:05)
(18.) Surf's Up (5:15)


The Beach Boys - SMiLE Sessions - Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 (1966-1967) - 3-CD Set - Sea Of Tunes Label - 1999 - C 9950, C 9951 & C 9952 - In my opinion, the BEST of them all!

Disc 1

(1.) Heroes And Villains Theme (Take 14) (0:51)
(2.) Heroes And Villains Theme (Take Unknown) (1:06)
(3.) Heroes And Villains (Part 1, 1st Vocal Overdub) (0:52)
(4.) Heroes And Villains (Part 1, 2nd Vocal Overdub) (0:46)
(5.) Heroes And Villains (Part 1, 3rd Vocal Overdub) (0:46)
(6.) Heroes And Villains (Part 1, 4th Vocal Overdub) (0:47)
(7.) Heroes And Villains (Part 1, 5th Vocal Overdub) (0:47)
(8.) In The Cantina (Vocal Overdub, Take Unknown) (0:38)
(9.) My Children Were Raised (Vocal Overdub, Take Unknown) (0:18)
(10.) How I Love My Girl (Vocal Overdub, Take 10) (1:59)
(11.) Heroes And Villains (Last Part, Mono Mix) (1:13)
(12.) Heroes And Villains (Last Part, Stereo Mix) (0:40)
(13.) Heroes And Villains (Last Part, Stereo Mix) (1:09)
(14.) Heroes And Villains (Mono Mix Attempt) (1:55)
(15.) Heroes And Villains (Mono Mix Attempt) (0:52)
(16.) Heroes And Villains (Mono Mix Attempt) (1:21)
(17.) Heroes And Villains (Part 2, Takes 1 & 2) (1:40)
(18.) Heroes And Villains (Part 2, Takes 4-8) (2:35)
(19.) Heroes And Villains (Part 2, Takes 14 & 15) (1:45)
(20.) Bicycle Rider (1st Vocal Overdub) (0:33)
(21.) Bicycle Rider (2nd Vocal Overdub) (0:32)
(22.) Bicycle Rider (3rd Vocal Overdub) (0:36)
(23.) Do You Like Worms (Part 1, Takes 23 & 24) (1:09)
(24.) Do You Like Worms (Part 1, 1st Vocal Overdub) (1:19)
(25.) Do You Like Worms (Part 1, 2nd Vocal Overdub) (1:19)
(26.) Do You Like Worms (Part 2, Rehearsal Final Part) (1:04)
(27.) Do You Like Worms (Part 2, 1st Vocal Overdub) (2:56)
(28.) Do You Like Worms (Part 2, 2nd Vocal Overdub) (2:55)
(29.) The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (Takes 1 & 2) (1:41)
(30.) The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (Take 4) (1:27)
(31.) The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (Takes 6 & 7) (2:47)
(32.) The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (Takes 10 & 11) (1:11)
(33.) The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (Mono Mix) (1:07)
(34.) He Gives Speeches (Take Unknown) (1:04)
(35.) He Gives Speeches (Lead Vocal Overdub) (1:09)
(36.) He Gives Speeches (Backing Vocal Overdub) (1:12)
(37.) Wonderful (Takes 1-3) (2:52)
(38.) Wonderful (Takes 6-8) (2:48)
(39.) Wonderful (Takes 16-18) (0:51)
(40.) Wonderful (Take Unknown) (2:14)
(41.) Wonderful (Instrumental Overdub) (2:13)
(42.) Wonderful (1st Vocal Overdub) (2:13)
(43.) Wonderful (Vocal Insert Rehearsals) (6:27)
(44.) Wonderful (1st Vocal Insert) (0:56)
(45.) Wonderful (2nd Vocal Insert) (0:55)
(46.) Wonderful (Vocal Insert, Stereo Mix) (1:05)

I'm going to break these 3 CD's up since there is a lot of typing. I'll type Disc 2 on the next post. Talk to you soon Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 28, 2011, 01:15:52 AM
Doing OK, how about you?

I have two SMiLE bootlegs. I have the Odeon CD that you mentioned, and an LP on green vinyl on Sea of Tunes, LP001 (although I'm pretty sure it wasn't made by the people who were responsible for the Sea of Tunes CDs).

Hi Joost! Here is Disc 2 as follows:


Disc 2

(1.) Child Is Father Of The Man (Part 1, Takes 1-4) (4:51)
(2.) Child Is Father Of The Man (Part 1, Take 8) 8 (0:40)
(3.) Child Is Father Of The Man (Verse, Takes 1-10) (1:36)
(4.) Child Is Father Of The Man (Take Unknown) (0:59)
(5.) Look (Takes 1 & 2) (1:22)
(6.) Look (Takes 4 & 5) (1:08)
(7.) Look (Takes 6-13) (2:10)
(8.) Look (Takes 14-19) (1:06)
(9.) Look (Take 20) (2:49)
(10.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Phono Track) (1:29)
(11.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Vocal overdub) (1:31)
(12.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Vocal Overdub Attempt) (1:28)
(13.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Instrumental & Vocal Overdub Attempt) (1:30)
(14.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Instrumental & 2nd Vocal Overdub Attempt) (1:30)
(15.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Instrumental & 3rd Vocal Overdub Attempt) (1:31)
(16.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Vocal Overdub Attempts) (1:35)
(17.) Vega-tables (Part 1, 2nd Vocal Overdub Attempts) (1:35)
(18.) Vega-tables (Part 1, 3rd Vocal Overdub Attempts) (1:33)
(19.) Vega-tables (Part 1, 4th Vocal Overdub Attempts) (1:34)
(20.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Instrumental Insert Takes 1-8) (5:13)
(21.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Vocal Insert Rehearsals) (1:08)
(22.) Vega-tables (Part 1, Mono Mix Rehearsals) (2:33)
(23.) Vega-tables (Part 2, Take Unknown) (1:22)
(24.) Vega-tables (Part 2, 1st Vocal Overdub) (1:30)
(25.) Vega-tables (Part 2, 2nd Vocal Overdub) (1:25)
(26.) Vega-tables (Part 2, Track Rehearsal) (2:18)
(27.) Vega-tables (Part 2, 1st Vocal Overdub) (1:27)
(28.) Vega-tables (Part 2, 2nd Vocal Overdub) (1:28)
(29.) Vega-tables (Part 2, 3rd Vocal Overdub) (1:29)
(30.) Vega-tables (Part 2, 4th Vocal Overdub) (1:28)
(31.) Vega-tables (Part 2, Mono Mix) (1:20)
(32.) Vega-tables (Part 3, Take 12) (1:44)
(33.) Vega-tables (Part 3, 1st Vocal Overdub) (1:46)
(34.) Vega-tables (Part 3, 2nd Vocal Overdub) (1:49)
(35.) Vega-tables (Part 3, Mono Mix) (1:15)
(36.) Vega-tables (Various Mix Rehearsals) (1:53)

I'll post Disc 3 later tonight, take care and I'll be talking to you soon Joost.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 28, 2011, 10:26:18 AM
Doing OK, how about you?

I have two SMiLE bootlegs. I have the Odeon CD that you mentioned, and an LP on green vinyl on Sea of Tunes, LP001 (although I'm pretty sure it wasn't made by the people who were responsible for the Sea of Tunes CDs).

How's it going Joost? Here are the tracks for Disc 3 as follows:


Disc 3


(1.) Wind Chimes (Takes 1-3) (2:43)
(2.) Wind Chimes (Take 4) (1:45)
(3.) Wind Chimes (Take 5) (3:19)
(4.) Wind Chimes (Takes 6 & 7) (1:32)
(5.) Wind Chimes (Pick-up takes 1-5) (4:04)
(6.) Wind Chimes (Takes 8 & 9) (1:59)
(7.) Wind Chimes (Track) (3:01)
(8.) Wind Chimes (1st Vocal Overdub) (2:58)
(9.) Wind Chimes (Last Part Take 3) (0:35)
(10.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Take Unknown) (0:56)
(11.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Take 1) (0:53)
(12.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Take 2) (2:21)
(13.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Takes 3-7) (3:14)
(14.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Takes 11 & 12) (1:28)
(15.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Takes 15-18) (2:11)
(16.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Overdub take 1) (1:45)
(17.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (Mono Mix) (1:47)
(18.) Friday Night (Take 1) (2:17)
(19.) Friday Night (Take 2) (1:22)
(20.) Friday Night (Takes 6-10) (2:24)
(21.) Water (1st Vocal Overdub) (0:58)
(22.) Water (2nd Vocal Overdub) (0:57)
(23.) Water (3rd Vocal Overdub) (0:59)
(24.) Water (4th Vocal Overdub) (0:57)
(25.) Water (Stereo Mix) (0:59)
(26.) Vega-tables Radio Spot Rehearsals (22:43)


In my opinion, The Beach Boys SMiLE Sessions Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17  (1966-1967) 3-CD set is one of the greatest SMiLE compilations ever put out. You really get an idea of what Brian was doing in the studio with SMiLE. Take care Joost.       
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 28, 2011, 10:03:50 PM
The tracklisting of the SMiLE Sessions box set has been revealed:

CD 1
1. Our Prayer
2. Gee
3. Heroes And Villains
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock)
5. I'm In Great Shape
6. Barnyard
7. My Only Sunshine (The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine)
8. Cabin Essence
9. Wonderful
10. Look (Song For Children)
11. Child Is Father Of The Man
12. Surf's Up
13. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop
14. Vega-Tables
15. Holidays
16. Wind Chimes
17. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow)
18. Love To Say Dada
19. Good Vibrations
20. You're Welcome (Bonus Track)
21. Heroes And Villains (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
23. Vega-Tables Demo (Bonus Track)
24. He Gives Speeches (Bonus Track)
25. Smile Backing Vocals Montage (Bonus Track)
26. Surf's Up 1967 (Solo version) (Bonus Track)
27. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Piano (Bonus Track)

CD 2
1. Our Prayer "Dialog" 9/19/66
2. Our Prayer 10/4/66
3. Heroes And Villains: Verse (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Session: 10/20/66]
4. Heroes And Villains: Barnyard (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Session: 10/20/66]
5. Heroes And Villains: I'm In Great Shape 10/27/66
6. Heroes and Villains Intro (Early Version) circa 12/66
7. Heroes And Villains: Do A Lot [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
8. Heroes And Villains: Bag Of Tricks [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
9. Heroes And Villains: Mission Pak [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
10. Heroes And Villains: Bridge To Indians [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
11. Heroes And Villains: Part 1 Tag [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
12. Heroes And Villains: Pickup To 3rd Verse [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
13. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
14. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Cantina track) [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
15. Heroes And Villains: Whistling Bridge [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
16. Heroes And Villains: Cantina [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
17. Heroes And Villains: All Day [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
18. Heroes And Villains: Verse Edit Experiment [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
19. Heroes And Villains: Prelude To Fade [Heroes And Villains Session: 2/15/67]
20. Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme [Heroes And Villains Session: 2/15/67]
21. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
22. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Gee) (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
23. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
24. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
25. Heroes And Villains: Part 3 (Animals) (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
26. Heroes And Villains: Part 4 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
27. Heroes And Villains: Part Two (Master Take) 2/27/67 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/27/67]
28. Heroes And Villains: Fade 2/28/67 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/27/67]
29. Heroes And Villains: Verse remake [Heroes And Villains Session: 3/1/67]
30. Heroes And Villains: Organ Waltz / Intro [Heroes And Villains Session: 3/1/67]
31. Heroes And Villains: Chorus Vocals [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
32. Heroes And Villains: Barbershop [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
33. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Remake) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
34. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take Overdubs Mix 1) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
35. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take A Capella) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
36. Heroes And Villains Piano Demo (incorporating "I'm In Great Shape" and "Barnyard") Brian with Van Dyke Parks and "Humble Harve" Miller, KHJ Radio 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)
37. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Microphone 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)
38. Psycodelic Sounds: Moaning Laughing 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)

CD 3
1. Do You Like Worms: Part 1 [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
2. Do You Like Worms: Part 2 (Bicycle Rider) [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
3. Do You Like Worms: Part 3 [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
4. Do You Like Worms: Part 4 (Bicycle Rider) [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
5. Do You Like Worms: Bicycle Rider Overdubs (Heroes And Villains Part 2) 1/5/67 [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
6. My Only Sunshine: Parts 1 & 2 11/14/66 [MY ONLY SUNSHINE (THE OLD MASTER PAINTER / YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE)]
7. My Only Sunshine: Part 2 (Master Take With Vocal Overdubs) 2/10/67 [MY ONLY SUNSHINE (THE OLD MASTER PAINTER / YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE)]
8. Cabin Essence: Verse [Cabin Essence Session: 10/3/66]
9. Cabin Essence: Chorus [Cabin Essence Session: 10/3/66]
10. Cabin Essence: Tag [Cabin Essence Session: 10/3/66]
11. Wonderful (Version 1) 8/25/66
12. Wonderful (Version 2) [Wonderful (Version 2 "Rock With Me Henry") Session: 1/9/67]
13. Wonderful (Version 2 Tag) [Wonderful (Version 2 "Rock With Me Henry") Session: 1/9/67]
14. Wonderful (Version 3) 4/10/67 ? [Wonderful (Version 2 "Rock With Me Henry") Session: 1/9/67]
15. Look 8/12/66 [LOOK (SONG FOR CHILDREN)]
16. Child Is Father Of The Man (Version 1) 10/7/66
17. Child Is Father Of The Man (Version 2) 10/11/66
18. Surf's Up: 1ST Movement 11/4/66
19. Surf's Up: Talking Horns 11/7/66
20. Surf's Up: Piano Demo (Master Take) 12/15/66
21. I Wanna Be Around 11/29/66 [I WANNA BE AROUND / WORKSHOP (FRIDAY NIGHT)]
22. Vegetables: Verse (Master Take Track) 4/4 - 4/11/67 [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
23. Vegetables: Sleep A Lot (Chorus) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
24. Vegetables: Chorus 1 (Master Take) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
25. Vegetables: 2nd Chorus (Master Take Track And Backing Vocals) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
26. Vegetables: Insert (Part 4) (Master Take) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]

CD 4
1. Vegetables: Fade 4/12/67 [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) (continued)]
2. Vegetables: Ballad Insert 4/14/67 [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) (continued)]
3. Holidays 9/8/66
4. Wind Chimes (Version 1) 8/3/66
5. Wind Chimes (Version 2) [Wind Chimes (Version 2) Session: 10/5/66]
6. Wind Chimes (Version 2 Tag) [Wind Chimes (Version 2) Session: 10/5/66]
7. The Elements: Fire 11/28/66 [THE ELEMENTS: FIRE (MRS. O'LEARY'S COW)]
8. Da Da (Taped Piano Strings) [LOVE TO SAY DADA / COOL, COOL WATER; Da Da Session: 12/22/66]
9. Da Da (Fender Rhodes) [LOVE TO SAY DADA / COOL, COOL WATER; Da Da Session: 12/22/66]
10. Love To Say Dada: Part 1 5/16/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
11. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 5/17/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
12. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 (Master Take) 5/17/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
13. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 (Second Day) 5/18/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
14. Cool, Cool Water (Version 1) 6/7/67
15. Cool, Cool Water (Version 2) 10/26/67 & 10/29/67
16. You're Welcome 12/15/66 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
17. You're With Me Tonight 6/6-6/7/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
18. Tune X (Carl Wilson) 3/3/67-3/31/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
19. I Don't Know (Dennis Wilson) 1/12/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
20. Three Blind Mice 10/15/65 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
21. Teeter Totter Love (Jasper Dailey) 1/25/67 & 2/9/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
22. Psycodelic Sounds - Underwater Chant 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)
23. Hal Blaine Vega-Tables Promo Session 11/11/66 (Bonus Track)
24. Heroes And Villains: Early Version Outtake Sections 1/67 - 2/67 (Bonus Track)

CD 5
1. Good Vibrations: Gold Star 2/18/66 (The Pet Sounds Session)
2. Good Vibrations: Gold Star 4/9/66
3. Good Vibrations: Western 5/4/66 (First Chorus)
4. Good Vibrations: Western 5/4/66 (Second Chorus & Fade)
5. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Part 1)
6. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Parts 2 & 3)
7. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Part 4)
8. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Part C)
9. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Chorus)
10. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Fade Sequence)
11. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 1)
12. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 3)
13. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 4)
14. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 1)
15. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 2 & verse)
16. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 2 continued)
17. Good Vibrations: Western 6/18/66 (Part 1)
18. Good Vibrations: Western 6/18/66 (Part 2)
19. Good Vibrations (Persuasion): Western 9/1/66
20. Good Vibrations: Western 9/1/66 (new bridge)
21. Good Vibrations: Session Masters
22. Good Vibrations single version stereo track
23. Good Good Good Vibrations (first version with overdubs) 3/66
24. Good Vibrations: Alternate Edit 8/24/66

LP 1
1. Our Prayer (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
2. Gee (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
3. Heroes and Villains (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock) (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
5. I'm In Great Shape (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
6. Barnyard (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
7. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
8. Cabin Essence (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
9. Wonderful (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]
10. Look (Song for Children) (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]
11. Child Is Father of the Man (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]
12. Surf's Up (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]

LP 2
1. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
2. Vega-Tables (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
3. Holidays (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
4. Wind Chimes (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
5. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire) (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
6. Love to Say Dada (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
7. Good Vibrations (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
8. Your Welcome - Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
9. Vega-Tables - Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
10. Wind Chimes - Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
11. Cabin Essence - Session Highlights and Stereo Backing Track (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
12. Surf's Up - Session Excerpt and Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]

Single 1
1. A side: HEROES AND VILLAINS Part One [Vinyl 45]
2. B side: HEROES AND VILLAINS Part Two [Vinyl 45]

Single 2
1. A side: VEGA-TABLES [Vinyl 45]
2. B Side: SURF'S UP [Vinyl 45]
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on August 28, 2011, 11:22:27 PM
Hi Joost! I can't wait to get the Boxset, I've heard that the tracks in the Boxset are going to be completely different from all of the SMiLE bootlegs. I also understand that the tracks in the Boxset is only a fraction of what is in the vaults. Maybe Capitol will release another SMiLE Boxset later in the future depending on how well the SMiLE Boxset sells in November. In my opinion, without a doubt in my mind, the SMiLE Boxset is going to sell extremely well seeing how big the SMiLE legend really is. SMiLE IS THE MOST FAMOUS UNRELEASED (Soon to be released AT LAST!) ALBUM IN ROCK N' ROLL HISTORY! Joost, the question that is on every music critic's mind is will SMiLE live up to its glorious legend? That question will FINALLY be answered in November and beyond. In my opinion Joost, my answer would be yes and more. Take care Joost.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on September 12, 2011, 02:20:35 PM
Question about "Surf's Up" (the song) : On wikipedia it says that the vocals are performed by Carl Wilson/Brian Wilson/Al Jardine. Can any one of you clarify which one of them sings which part? And I'd love to know some more interesting facts about the song. Brilliant song by the way. I also saw Brian's "Home Demo" of the song, and it was one of the most emotional things I've seen lately. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 12, 2011, 09:07:27 PM
Question about "Surf's Up" (the song) : On wikipedia it says that the vocals are performed by Carl Wilson/Brian Wilson/Al Jardine. Can any one of you clarify which one of them sings which part? And I'd love to know some more interesting facts about the song. Brilliant song by the way. I also saw Brian's "Home Demo" of the song, and it was one of the most emotional things I've seen lately. Thanks in advance.

The "home demo" that you saw was recorded for an NBC TV special hosted by Leonard Bernstein (a classical conductor/composer who was impressed with Brian's music).

The released version was ensembled by Carl in 1971 (because Brian could hardly be bothered to do anything productive at the time) and is a combination of unfinished 1966/1967 recordings, and newly recorded vocals and instruments. The first section (the one that Carl sings) combines a finished 1966/1967 backing track that was left instrumental with a 1971 lead vocal by Carl. The second and third sections are a 1966/1967 lead vocal and piano track (not from the NBC special) with everything else added in 1971.

The third section is a "reprise" of another 'SMiLE' song called 'Child is Father of the Man'.

'Surf's Up' is even more impressive if you hear it in it's original "cycle of life section" context (as you can hear on Brian Wilson's 2004 version of the 'SMiLE' album). It starts with 'Wonderful' which then, through 'Song for Children' and 'Child is Father of the Man', seamlessly, slowly and very gracefully morphs into/builds up to 'Surf's Up'. Really one of the most amazing things I've ever heard and probably one of the best examples of Brian Wilson's brilliance.

CARL:
A diamond necklace played the pawn
Hand in hand some drummed along, oh
To a handsome mannered baton
A blind class aristocracy
Back through the opera glass you see
The pit and the pendulum drawn
Columnated ruins domino

Canvass the town and brush the backdrop
Are you sleeping?

Hung velvet overtaken me
Dim chandelier awaken me
To a song dissolved in the dawn
The music hall a costly bow
The music all is lost for now
To a muted trumpeter swan
Columnated ruins domino

Canvass the town and brush the backdrop
Are you sleeping, Brother John?

BRIAN:
Dove nested towers the hour was
Strike the street quicksilver moon
Carriage across the fog
Two-Step to lamp lights cellar tune
The laughs come hard in Auld Lang Syne

The glass was raised, the fired-roast
The fullness of the wine, the dim last toasting
While at port adieu or die

A choke of grief heart hardened I
Beyond belief a broken man too tough to cry

Surf's Up
Aboard a tidal wave
Come about hard and join
The young and often spring you gave
I heard the word
Wonderful thing
A children's song

GROUP:
Child, child, child, child, child
A child is the father of the man
Child, child, child, child, child
A child is the father of the man

AL:
A children's song
Have you listened as they played
Their song is love
And the children know the way

GROUP:
Child, child, child, child, child
Child, child, child, child, child
Na na na na na na na na
Child, child, child, child, child
That's why the child is the father to the man
Child, child, child, child, child
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 12, 2011, 09:23:48 PM
Hi Joost! I can't wait to get the Boxset, I've heard that the tracks in the Boxset are going to be completely different from all of the SMiLE bootlegs. I also understand that the tracks in the Boxset is only a fraction of what is in the vaults. Maybe Capitol will release another SMiLE Boxset later in the future depending on how well the SMiLE Boxset sells in November. In my opinion, without a doubt in my mind, the SMiLE Boxset is going to sell extremely well seeing how big the SMiLE legend really is. SMiLE IS THE MOST FAMOUS UNRELEASED (Soon to be released AT LAST!) ALBUM IN ROCK N' ROLL HISTORY! Joost, the question that is on every music critic's mind is will SMiLE live up to its glorious legend? That question will FINALLY be answered in November and beyond. In my opinion Joost, my answer would be yes and more. Take care Joost.   

Hi! Apparently, presales for the box set are going extremely well. And since the reissue of Dennis Wilson's 'Pacific Ocean Blue' sold very well too, I hope that Capitol picks up the signals and finally opens up the vaults. It's just painful to realize how much great, unreleased stuff is still in there.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on September 13, 2011, 01:00:42 PM
Thanks very much for the info Joost. I'm listening right now to Brian Wilson's "SMiLE". I like the song very much and I didn't know that Carl Wilson had such a good voice. It's a great song, I love the lyrics, whatever they are about.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 13, 2011, 09:25:16 PM
I love the lyrics, whatever they are about.

Brian Wilson once explained that the lyrics are about a trip, or a dream. The protagonist lives in Europe some centuries ago, in a depressing world plagued by poverty and wars. Then he hears God's voice through music and through the children.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: peterbell1 on September 14, 2011, 11:09:18 AM
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The SMiLE Sessions box is now available for pre-order on Amazon. Release date will be November 1. Price will be $110 (very reasonable, I expected it to be at least $200).

Box (3D shadow box lid, 13" x 13" x 2,5"), will contain:
- 5 CD's (in a 6 panel folder)
- 2 LP's (in gatefold sleeve)
- 2 Vinyl singles (Heroes & Villains and Vegetables)
- 60 Page hardcover book with liner notes by Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, Frank Holmes, Peter Reum, Tom Nolan and Dominic Priore, anecdotes, a timeline, sessionography, lyrics, Frank Holmes drawings, producer's notes and more than 60 previously unreleased photo's.
- Reproduction of the original 12" x 12" booklet.
- 24" x 36" poster.



That looks amazing!
There's a similar box set package about to come out for The Who's Quadrophenia album as well.

Am I the only one left thinking "If they can produce a package as good as this for The Beach Boys or The Who, why can't they do it for The Beatles too"?!?!

Yes, box sets like this are aimed at true hardcore fans rather than the general CD buyer, but the price reflects that and the record company still makes money on them, even though they will sell in the thousands rather than the millions. I doubt the early Beatles albums would warrant such a lavish set, but can you imagine having a package like this for the likes of Rubber Soul, Revolver, Pepper, The White Album, Abbey Road or Let It Be? Unfortunately, I think "imagine" is as close as we will get, given EMI/Apple's track record!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 16, 2011, 03:29:02 AM
The "home demo" that you saw was recorded for an NBC TV special hosted by Leonard Bernstein (a classical conductor/composer who was impressed with Brian's music).

The released version was ensembled by Carl in 1971 (because Brian could hardly be bothered to do anything productive at the time) and is a combination of unfinished 1966/1967 recordings, and newly recorded vocals and instruments. The first section (the one that Carl sings) combines a finished 1966/1967 backing track that was left instrumental with a 1971 lead vocal by Carl. The second and third sections are a 1966/1967 lead vocal and piano track (not from the NBC special) with everything else added in 1971.

The third section is a "reprise" of another 'SMiLE' song called 'Child is Father of the Man'.

'Surf's Up' is even more impressive if you hear it in it's original "cycle of life section" context (as you can hear on Brian Wilson's 2004 version of the 'SMiLE' album). It starts with 'Wonderful' which then, through 'Song for Children' and 'Child is Father of the Man', seamlessly, slowly and very gracefully morphs into/builds up to 'Surf's Up'. Really one of the most amazing things I've ever heard and probably one of the best examples of Brian Wilson's brilliance.

CARL:
A diamond necklace played the pawn
Hand in hand some drummed along, oh
To a handsome mannered baton
A blind class aristocracy
Back through the opera glass you see
The pit and the pendulum drawn
Columnated ruins domino

Canvass the town and brush the backdrop
Are you sleeping?

Hung velvet overtaken me
Dim chandelier awaken me
To a song dissolved in the dawn
The music hall a costly bow
The music all is lost for now
To a muted trumpeter swan
Columnated ruins domino

Canvass the town and brush the backdrop
Are you sleeping, Brother John?

BRIAN:
Dove nested towers the hour was
Strike the street quicksilver moon
Carriage across the fog
Two-Step to lamp lights cellar tune
The laughs come hard in Auld Lang Syne

The glass was raised, the fired-roast
The fullness of the wine, the dim last toasting
While at port adieu or die

A choke of grief heart hardened I
Beyond belief a broken man too tough to cry

Surf's Up
Aboard a tidal wave
Come about hard and join
The young and often spring you gave
I heard the word
Wonderful thing
A children's song

GROUP:
Child, child, child, child, child
A child is the father of the man
Child, child, child, child, child
A child is the father of the man

AL:
A children's song
Have you listened as they played
Their song is love
And the children know the way

GROUP:
Child, child, child, child, child
Child, child, child, child, child
Na na na na na na na na
Child, child, child, child, child
That's why the child is the father to the man
Child, child, child, child, child

How's it going Joost? I hope all is well with you. I love the way you explain the sections of "Surf's Up" in detail, it really gives the listener a better overall understanding of the song. If it is alright with you, I would like to add more to your post.

As we all know, "Surf's Up" was one of the great masterpieces that was to be the main centerpiece of SMiLE other than "Heroes And Villains" and "The Elements." When SMiLE was shelved in 1967, so was "Surf's Up" until late 1970 and into 1971.

In 1966, Denny once said that Brian Wilson was THE BEACH BOYS and the rest of the band were his messengers. In reality, Brian's Cousin Mike Love, Brian's Brother Carl and Brian's dear friend Al Jardine resented that fact. And because of that fact, Mike, Carl and sometimes Al did not want Brian in the studio anymore. This would make Brian feel depressed and unwanted making him not want to come out of his room for 2-3 years. Mike, Carl and Al wanted to prove to everyone, including Brian, that THE BEACH BOYS was NOT Brian Wilson.   

In late 1970 and into 1971, THE BEACH BOYS (Minus Brian) were working on an album called LANDLOCKED. The band's label, Warner Brothers, were not happy with many of the songs that were on the LANDLOCKED album and were thinking of shelving the album indefinitely. In reality, Warner Brothers wanted SMiLE finished for release as it was part of the deal that THE BEACH BOYS agreed to. However, since Brian was not permitted any studio time in the studio, including his own home studio, thanks to Mike, Carl and Al, Brian would just stay away from the studio all together.

THE BEACH BOYS were in a bad situation and really needed help on the LANDLOCKED album. Carl was in full charge (Mike appointed him in charge) of the entire LANDLOCKED album but was having problems finishing the album since there was not enough great songs to complete the LANDLOCKED album. Carl asked Brian for help but Brian refused since he knew that he was not really wanted.

In reality, certain band members within THE BEACH BOYS did NOT like the three Brian Wilson songs "Day In The Life Of A Tree," "'Til I Die" and "Surf's Up." In my opinion, had there been enough songs for the LANDLOCKED album, all three Brian Wilson compositions would have never made it on the album.

The story of how "Surf's Up" was resurrected, was done out of desperation. It was Mike's and Carl's idea to bring back "Surf's Up" in order to satisfy Warner Brothers desire in bringing back SMiLE. However, Brian was not in favor of bringing back SMiLE nor was he ever in favor of bringing back "Surf's Up." Carl, without Brian's consent as well as against Brian's wishes when he found out, Carl would set out and start working on "Surf's Up" in Brian's home studio. The new version of "Surf's Up" was all Carl's work until the very end. Carl was having difficulty finding a suitable ending for "Surf's Up" and was even considering dropping the song from the album. It was at this time when Brian stepped up and told Carl that he needed to add something to the final movement in order to finish the song.

It was a lyric that no one knew about except Brian and Van Dyke Parks. It would be the final piece to the "Surf's Up" puzzle. The lyric was:

A Children's song, have you listened as they play?
Their song is love, and the children know the way.

In my opinion, Brian should have finished "Surf's Up" and not Carl. It is also my opinion that had Brian worked on "Surf's Up" from start to finish, the song would have sounded completely different.

Carl would also make the final decision in adding Brian's songs "Day In The Life Of A Tree," "'Til I Die" and "Surf's Up" to the new album since the new album desperately needed more songs. Carl would also change the name of the album from LANDLOCKED to SURF'S UP.

Some of the many decisions that Carl made for the SURF'S UP album angered Brian and would be ONE of the main markers that would break up the relationship between Brian and Carl. Another marker was that Brian felt betrayed by his own Brother Carl seeing that Carl was brainwashed by his own cousin Mike. There was another serious and deep marker that would truly come between Brian and Carl but I choose to keep that one to myself out of respect for Brian. In my opinion, Mike turned Brother against Brother, Cousin against Cousin and friend against friend. However, Brian and Carl would iron out their differences prior to Carl's death in February 1998. Please do not get me wrong, I mean no disrespect to the late great Carl Wilson in any way. In some ways, like Brian, Carl Wilson was blessed with a God-given talent along with being gifted with a beautiful angelic voice. Carl was also very talented in the studio as well as performing live on stage but he was no Brian Wilson by a long shot. There is so much to this story Joost that I can write a book on the song "Surf's Up" alone. Take care Joost.                             
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 16, 2011, 03:50:48 AM
The released version was ensembled by Carl in 1971 (because Brian could hardly be bothered to do anything productive at the time) and is a combination of unfinished 1966/1967 recordings, and newly recorded vocals and instruments. The first section (the one that Carl sings) combines a finished 1966/1967 backing track that was left instrumental with a 1971 lead vocal by Carl. The second and third sections are a 1966/1967 lead vocal and piano track (not from the NBC special) with everything else added in 1971.

The third section is a "reprise" of another 'SMiLE' song called 'Child is Father of the Man'.

'Surf's Up' is even more impressive if you hear it in it's original "cycle of life section" context (as you can hear on Brian Wilson's 2004 version of the 'SMiLE' album). It starts with 'Wonderful' which then, through 'Song for Children' and 'Child is Father of the Man', seamlessly, slowly and very gracefully morphs into/builds up to 'Surf's Up'. Really one of the most amazing things I've ever heard and probably one of the best examples of Brian Wilson's brilliance.

If only it had been released in 1967...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 16, 2011, 02:37:53 PM
If only it had been released in 1967...

I totally agree with you Hello Goodbye! In my opinion, SMiLE was Brian's greatest masterpiece, and yet, it was denied GREATNESS (Except in bootleg form in the underground)...until now. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 16, 2011, 04:45:51 PM
I totally agree with you Hello Goodbye! In my opinion, SMiLE was Brian's greatest masterpiece, and yet, it was denied GREATNESS (Except in bootleg form in the underground)...until now. Take care. 

Yes and it would have changed the course of music.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 16, 2011, 06:40:56 PM
Yes and it would have changed the course of music.

Most DEFINITELY with a capital "D!" In my opinion, SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND and SMiLE could have singlehandedly changed the course of popular music forever! But it was not to be. Instead, SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND would be the album that would change the course of music forever while SMiLE would be shelved indefinitely thus being cheated out of Rock n' Roll history which would result in disappointing all of the music fans as well as THE BEACH BOYS' peers in the music industry including THE BEATLES and George Martin. The world was waiting for SMiLE, it was a real tragedy when it was cancelled and not released as planned in December 1966 and later in January 1967. In my opinion, cancelling SMiLE was a REAL MAJOR loss for Rock n' Roll. Take care.         
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 17, 2011, 07:11:49 AM
I have to say that I can somewhat understand Carl's attitude towards Brian in the early 70s.

First of all, we know now that Brian was and is mentally ill, but nobody knew that yet at the time. For all Carl knew in 1970/1971, Brian was just acting weird and doing too much drugs. It must have been very painful for Carl to see his big brother in the state that he was in.

Second, The Beach Boys were everything to Carl. Ever since he was 14 years old, that band had been his friends, his family, his whole social circle, his source of income, his carreer, his creative outlet, the reason why he was famous, the reason why he travelled the world, all rolled into one. It must have been incredibly frustrating to see all of that going down.

With all of the above in mind, I think I can see why Carl wasn't like "It's OK, Brian. Just stay in bed and do whatever you want".
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 17, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
I have to say that I can somewhat understand Carl's attitude towards Brian in the early 70s.

First of all, we know now that Brian was and is mentally ill, but nobody knew that yet at the time. For all Carl knew in 1970/1971, Brian was just acting weird and doing too much drugs. It must have been very painful for Carl to see his big brother in the state that he was in.

Second, The Beach Boys were everything to Carl. Ever since he was 14 years old, that band had been his friends, his family, his whole social circle, his source of income, his carreer, his creative outlet, the reason why he was famous, the reason why he travelled the world, all rolled into one. It must have been incredibly frustrating to see all of that going down.

With all of the above in mind, I think I can see why Carl wasn't like "It's OK, Brian. Just stay in bed and do whatever you want".

How's it going Joost, my fellow Beach Boys fanatic! How's the weather in The Netherlands?

In my opinion, Brian would become mentally ill for the following reasons:

(1.) Murry Wilson - Brian tried his whole life in gaining his Father's approval that when SMiLE collapsed, Brian really felt like a failure.

(2.) L.S.D. - Like Syd Barrett and Peter Green, L.S.D. got the best of Brian. Joost, I take it that you have seen the BEAUTIFUL DREAMER, BRIAN WILSON & THE STORY OF SMiLE DVD. According to both Van Dyke Parks and Mike Vosse, Drugs did not play a big part in the Brian Wilson story. If anything, Parks and Vosse both believed that the drugs helped speed up the progress of SMiLE although I find that very hard to believe. The paranoia began during the recording of the infamous "Fire" tracks. 

(3.) Mike Love - In my opinion, Mike played a very vital role in Brian's downfall. Although I must confess, I must give some of that responsibility to Brian himself. Brian, being the leader of THE BEACH BOYS, should have stood up to Mike and put him in his place. Brian was not a confrontational person, he did not know how to stand up for himself. If Brian would have stood up to Mike alone, the course of THE BEACH BOYS would have been completely different.

I do agree with you Joost when you say that you can understand Carl's attitude toward's Brian in the early 70's. I truly believe that Carl was put in a very bad situation thanks partly to both Mike and Brian.

Denny always said that he had three deep regrets in his life, they were:

(1) How he treated his second wife Barbara. Barbara was the perfect woman and Denny screwed it up.

(2.) Watching Brian going through his inner turmoil. Denny would cry and say that it was so painful to watch.

(3.) Charles Manson - I need not go any further with that.

I would hear Denny punishing and torturing himself by mentioning these three regrets the last two years of his life. Take care Joost.   
                                               
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 17, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
I'm doing good, how about you? The weather here has been terrible for the last few months, pretty much the whole summer has been rainy and relatively cold.

Although I'm not an expert on the subject, I think that mental illness is, at least partially, something you're born with. The drugs and the pressure probably didn't help.

I recently read an interesting observation about Brian. I'm not sure by who, but I think it was Andrew G. Doe. It seems that Brian just needs and maybe even wants some kind of "bully" to tell him what to do. Someone who tells him to get off his ass and get things done, someone who makes his decisions for him, someone he can hide behind. First it was Murry Wilson, then Eugene Landy and now Melinda. It seems like he just can't function without someone like that. Just think about it, when was Brian at his very worst? At the times when neither Murry, Landy nor Melinda was in his life.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 17, 2011, 10:08:21 PM
I'm doing good, how about you? The weather here has been terrible for the last few months, pretty much the whole summer has been rainy and relatively cold.

Although I'm not an expert on the subject, I think that mental illness is, at least partially, something you're born with. The drugs and the pressure probably didn't help.

I recently read an interesting observation about Brian. I'm not sure by who, but I think it was Andrew G. Doe. It seems that Brian just needs and maybe even wants some kind of "bully" to tell him what to do. Someone who tells him to get off his ass and get things done, someone who makes his decisions for him, someone he can hide behind. First it was Murry Wilson, then Eugene Landy and now Melinda. It seems like he just can't function without someone like that. Just think about it, when was Brian at his very worst? At the times when neither Murry, Landy nor Melinda was in his life.

Hi Joost! I'm doing great, thanks for asking. The weather has been very hot here in San Antonio, Texas although it wants to rain. Last month, Texas had the hottest August in U.S. history.

You make some very good points Joost and I especially like how you express them in full detail. I know the article you are talking about. In my opinion, the guy is partially wrong!

It is true, to an extent, that Brian does needs someone to motivate him in getting things done. However, think about it, Murry would always bully and make Brian feel that he needed him and that he couldn't do anything without him. Brian would always try to stand up to Murry like a man only to be broken down to nothing.

Think about it Joost, After Brian fired his own Father Murry, Brian only had to deal with Mike. With this in mind, Brian now had all of the freedom in the studio and would finally get to do what he really wanted to do. Without Murry, Brian would mastermind the PET SOUNDS album, then the 45 R.P.M. single "Good Vibrations." In 1966, Brian was on top of the world and was at his most creative peak EVER! Brian didn't need anyone for that.

Then came SMiLE! With THE BEACH BOYS on tour in England in 1966, Brian was back in L.A. with Van Dyke Parks putting together his greatest masterpiece yet! The album was making great progress and was moving smoothly. Yes, the Paranoia during the "Fire" tapes was a marker. But lets face it, When THE BEACH BOYS returned back to L.A. from England, that's when the sh*t really hit the fan. The fact of the matter here Joost is that Mike, Carl and Al did not like SMiLE. Mike HATED SMiLE! Brian hated rejection! Mike told Brian not to f*c* with the formula. To make matters worse, Murry would bully his way into the studio and tell Brian that the album is no good, that he is destined for failure. Then Capitol Records told Brian that the album does not sound like THE BEACH BOYS, record a typical BEACH BOYS album. THE BEACH BOYS were also filing a lawsuit against Capitol Records over a Royalties dispute which would strain the relationship between THE BEACH BOYS and Capitol Records.

Joost, I know that you are very familiar with all of these facts seeing that you are very knowledgeable and know your BEACH BOYS history extremely well. In my opinion Joost, Brian desperately needed help mentally after SMiLE was cancelled. I really don't believe for a moment Joost that Brian was born with mental problems nor did he have mental problems until after SMiLE. This was not mental problems that Brian was born with, it was extreme pressure that was put upon him by Murry as well as certain members of THE BEACH BOYS not to mention Capitol Records. Brian's nervous breakdown in 1964 was the result of all of the extreme pressure put on him by Murry. 

Denny said it best: In the beginning, Murry would physically beat Denny and mentally beat Brian. Carl was the youngest and usually avoided everything. Denny didn't have a mental problem, he didn't put up with Murry's sh*t! Denny NEVER let Murry break him mentally. In Denny's opinion, Denny always felt that he received attention and affection when Murry beat him. In my opinion, I think Denny loved it. Murry broke Brian mentally, lets face it. Mike didn't help either, he was a very big contribution.

The guy that wrote the article was partially right, but he was wrong in many ways also. What do you think Joost? Take care.                     

 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 18, 2011, 09:35:11 PM
Like I said, I'm not an expert on the field of mental illness. But it's a fact that mental illness is often genetically determined, and it's also a fact that Brian comes from a family where almost everyone seems to have some issues. Brian, Dennis and Carl were all at some point drug and alcohol addicts. Their father physically and mentally abused his sons and their mother was an alcoholic. And by all accounts, Murry was still a saint compared to his own father. And Brian's daughter Carnie has been struggling with weight problems for her whole life.

Of course the pressure, the drugs and his upbringing didn't help, but it's my impression that Brian was mentally never a very stable person to begin with.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 18, 2011, 09:48:08 PM
Hi Joost! How's it going? I've been getting into THE BEACH BOYS' SMiLE era by listening to another SMiLE bootleg that I failed to mention in your thread earlier. In my opinion, this is another great SMiLE bootleg from 1993. It is the 2-CD Vigotone release, Matrix ID # VIGO 110/111. The tracks are as follows:

DISC 1

(1.) Heroes And Villains
(2.) Do You Like Worms
(3.) Medley: The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine
(4.) Wonderful
(5.) Child Is Father Of The Man
(6.) Prayer
(7.) Cabin-Essence
(8.) Good Vibrations
(9.) Vege-Tables/I'm In Great Shape
(10.) Wind Chimes
(11.) Mrs. O' Leary's Cow
(12.) Cool Cool Water
(13.) Surf's Up
(14.) Prayer
(15.) I love To Say Dada
(16.) Untitled (She's Goin' Bald)
(17.) Untitled (With Me Tonight)
(18.) Wonderful
(19.) Child Is Father Of The Man
(20.) You're Welcome
(21.) through (25.) Heroes And Villains/Do You Like Worms

DISC 2

(1.) Good Vibrations
(2.) Cabin-Essence
(3.) Surf's Up
(4.) and (5.) Tones/Tune X
(6.) Medley: The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine
(7.) George Fell Into His French Horn
(8.) Mrs. O'Leary's Cow
(9.) Barnyard
(10.) The Woodshop Song
(11.) Holidays
(12.) Prayer
(13.) Surf's Up
(14.) Smile Era Party

The sound quality of this 2-CD set is outstanding! Take care Joost.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 18, 2011, 09:52:12 PM
How about some personal favorites lists? Let's see those top 5/10/15/whatever lists, people! :)

Mine:

Songs
1. God Only Knows
2. Surf's Up
3. Time To Get Alone
4. Forever
5. This Whole World
6. Wouldn't It Be Nice
7. Break Away
8. I Get Around
9. Our Prayer
10. Cabinessence
11. Good Vibrations
12. Friends
13. All I Wanna Do
14. Aren't You Glad
15. Winter Symphony

Albums
1. Sunflower
2. Pet Sounds
3. SMiLE
4. Friends
5. The Beach Boys Today!
6. Wild Honey
7. Smiley Smile
8. 20/20
9. All Summer Long
10. Surf's Up
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 18, 2011, 10:25:21 PM
Like I said, I'm not an expert on the field of mental illness. But it's a fact that mental illness is often genetically determined, and it's also a fact that Brian comes from a family where almost everyone seems to have some issues. Brian, Dennis and Carl were all at some point drug and alcohol addicts. Their father physically and mentally abused his sons and their mother was an alcoholic. And by all accounts, Murry was still a saint compared to his own father. And Brian's daughter Carnie has been struggling with weight problems for her whole life.

Of course the pressure, the drugs and his upbringing didn't help, but it's my impression that Brian was mentally never a very stable person to begin with.

Hi Joost, my fellow BEACH BOYS fanatic! How are ya? Joost, I really can understand your point and why you would come to your conclusion about Brian. If I were you, I would probably feel the same way. However, spending time with Brian, I once thought that there was something wrong with him mentally seeing that he talks weird when he lifts one side of his lip. As we both know Joost, Brian was hit on one side of his face (Right side) with a two-by-four by Murry which would result in damaging Brian's right ear thus making him permanently deaf. Because of this, along with how Brian expresses himself, one might think that he was mentally unstable. Believe me when I say that Brian is sharp as can be despite being heavily medicated for Auditory Halucinations as a result of excessive L.S.D. abuse.

Denny told me on a couple of occasions that he hated his Grandfather (Murry's Dad), he said that he was worse than Murry. In my opinion, after partying with Denny the last two years of his life, Denny was in far worse shape than Brian ever was. Witnessing seeing Denny go through his violent seizures, there are no horrific words that can describe it.

Carnie has mental issues as a result of not having her Father around when she was younger. Carnie LOVES to eat just like Brian! Did you hear a while back about Carnie's home going into foreclosure?

I used to date Wendy in the early 80's, she is such a sweetheart. She caught me with another woman and dumped me. MY LOSS! Take care Joost.   

           
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 18, 2011, 10:52:39 PM
How about some personal favorites lists? Let's see those top 5/10/15/whatever lists, people! :)

Mine:

Songs
1. God Only Knows
2. Surf's Up
3. Time To Get Alone
4. Forever
5. This Whole World
6. Wouldn't It Be Nice
7. Break Away
8. I Get Around
9. Our Prayer
10. Cabinessence
11. Good Vibrations
12. Friends
13. All I Wanna Do
14. Aren't You Glad
15. Winter Symphony

Albums
1. Sunflower
2. Pet Sounds
3. SMiLE
4. Friends
5. The Beach Boys Today!
6. Wild Honey
7. Smiley Smile
8. 20/20
9. All Summer Long
10. Surf's Up

Hi Joost! WOW, this is a tough one! I love all of THE BEACH BOYS' music! Okay, here we go as follows (Not in any particular order):

SONGS

(1.) God Only Knows
(2.) Forever
(3.) Surf's Up
(4.) Slip On Through
(5.) All I Wanna Do
(6.) Susie Cincinnati (From the LANDLOCKED bootleg)
(7.) 'Til I Die (The 5:01 version from the LANDLOCKED bootleg)
(8.) All I Want To Do
(9.) Break  Away
(10.) Do It Again
(11.) Darlin'
(12.) Kokomo
(13.) Student Demonstration Time
(14.) The Little Girl I Once Knew
(15.) Good To My Baby
(16.) Please Let Me Wonder
(17.) You're So Good To Me
(18.) Let Him Run Wild
(19.) Good Vibrations
(20.) California Girls

ALBUMS

(1.) SMiLE
(2.) PET SOUNDS
(3.) SUNFLOWER
(4.) 20/20
(5.) THE BEACH BOYS TODAY!
(6.) FRIENDS
(7.) All SUMMER LONG
(8.) SURF'S UP
(9.) WILD HONEY
(10.) SMILEY SMILE

Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: tkitna on September 19, 2011, 12:43:06 AM
How about some personal favorites lists? Let's see those top 5/10/15/whatever lists, people! :)

This took a little while, but here's my top 10.

1. Little Bird
2. Bluebirds Over The Mountain
3. God Only Knows
4. I Can Hear Music
5. The Warmth Of The Sun
6. Thats Not Me
7. In My Room
8. All Summer Long
9. Surfin'
10. Deidre
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 19, 2011, 01:24:53 AM
I need to add three honorable mention songs that did not make my list, they are:

(1.) Wouldn't It Be Nice
(2.) Sail On Sailor
(3.) Kiss Me Baby

P.S. If Brian would have sang "Still I Dream Of It" much better, I would have included the song on my list. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 19, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
P.S. If Brian would have sang "Still I Dream Of It" much better, I would have included the song on my list. Take care.

I think his voice fits the song perfectly. I always though the song was about a damaged, depressed man trying hard to think happy thoughts. And that's what he sounds like.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on September 19, 2011, 11:44:39 AM
Songs:

01.Surf's Up
02.Good Vibrations
03.I'm Waiting For The Day
04.God Only Knows
05.Caroline, No
06.Sloop John B
07.Forever
08.Heroes and Villains
09.Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)
10.In My Room

As for albums, I've only listened to "Sunflower" and "Pet Sounds". I like them both, but I prefer the latter.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 19, 2011, 01:56:10 PM
I think his voice fits the song perfectly. I always though the song was about a damaged, depressed man trying hard to think happy thoughts. And that's what he sounds like.

Hi Joost! I never thought about it that way Joost! There are some photographs of Brian in the studio during the recording of the "Still I Dream Of It" sessions, one photo shows Brian sleeping at the piano. Brian really looked out of it during those moments but he did get through it. This was also one of the first songs that Brian sang without his infamous trademark falsetto voice. I take it that you know that Brian originally wrote "Still I Dream Of It" for FRANK SINATRA to record? Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 19, 2011, 05:14:34 PM
I used to date Wendy in the early 80's, she is such a sweetheart. She caught me with another woman and dumped me. MY LOSS! Take care Joost.   

Are you sure it was in the early 80s? As Wendy Wilson was born in 1969, she was in her early teens at the time.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on September 19, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
I don't know the whole Beach Boys' discography, so you won't find big surprises in my Top 10 list.

1. God Only Knows
2. Good Vibrations
3. I Get Around
4. Dance, Dance, Dance
5. California Girls
6. Sloop John B.
7. You Still Believe In Me
8. Help Me, Rhonda
9. Don't Worry Baby
10. Here Today
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 19, 2011, 06:56:15 PM
Are you sure it was in the early 80s? As Wendy Wilson was born in 1969, she was in her early teens at the time.

Hi Joost! I was a very bad boy at the time. Wendy was 14 years old going on 20 and I was 22 at the time. If you thought this was bad, Denny, at age 38, asked out my 14 year sister which she accepted without my mother knowing of course. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 19, 2011, 07:12:01 PM
I don't know the whole Beach Boys' discography, so you won't find big surprises in my Top 10 list.

1. God Only Knows
2. Good Vibrations
3. I Get Around
4. Dance, Dance, Dance
5. California Girls
6. Sloop John B.
7. You Still Believe In Me
8. Help Me, Rhonda
9. Don't Worry Baby
10. Here Today

How's it going Hombre_de_ningun_lugar? Great list! Now I wish I would have added "Barbara Ann (My Girlfriend's name is Barbara Ann, no lie!)," "Do You Wanna Dance," "Dance Dance Dance," "Pet Sounds," "I Get Around," "Don't Worry Baby," "Help Me Rhonda" and "Sloop John B." Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 19, 2011, 07:14:11 PM
This took a little while, but here's my top 10.

1. Little Bird
2. Bluebirds Over The Mountain
3. God Only Knows
4. I Can Hear Music
5. The Warmth Of The Sun
6. Thats Not Me
7. In My Room
8. All Summer Long
9. Surfin'
10. Deidre

Cool list tkitna! I wish I would have added "I Can Hear Music" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" to my list. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 19, 2011, 10:10:31 PM
Joost, did a Wendy figure significantly in either Brian or Mike's life in 1964?


Beach Boys Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on September 19, 2011, 10:54:53 PM
How's it going Hombre_de_ningun_lugar? Great list! Now I wish I would have added "Barbara Ann (My Girlfriend's name is Barbara Ann, no lie!)," "Do You Wanna Dance," "Dance Dance Dance," "Pet Sounds," "I Get Around," "Don't Worry Baby," "Help Me Rhonda" and "Sloop John B." Take care.

Hi BeatlesForever, I'm fine and you? You may have noticed that my list mostly includes well known songs. I know I must listen to more Beach Boys records.

Greetings to Babara Ann (was she named after the song?).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 19, 2011, 11:20:45 PM
Hi BeatlesForever, I'm fine and you? You may have noticed that my list mostly includes well known songs. I know I must listen to more Beach Boys records.

Greetings to Babara Ann (was she named after the song?).

I'm doing great Hombre_de_ningun_lugar, thanks for asking. Its the well known BEACH BOYS songs that draws you in and makes you want to listen to more different BEACH BOYS songs. Yes, my Girlfriend was named Barbara Ann after her parents heard THE BEACH BOYS' version. The original version was by THE REGENTS. Take care.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on September 20, 2011, 02:20:08 AM
I'm doing great Hombre_de_ningun_lugar, thanks for asking. Its the well known BEACH BOYS songs that draws you in and makes you want to listen to more different BEACH BOYS songs. Yes, my Girlfriend was named Barbara Ann after her parents heard THE BEACH BOYS' version. The original version was by THE REGENTS. Take care.     

I absolutely love Pet Sounds. I gave a listen to other albums like Today, Friends and Sunflower, but I should go deeper into their stuff.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 20, 2011, 02:29:19 AM
I absolutely love Pet Sounds. I gave a listen to other albums like Today, Friends and Sunflower, but I should go deeper into their stuff.

I feel confident that you are going to love THE BEACH BOYS' music when your mind expands further and deeper into their music. You're really off to a great start. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on September 20, 2011, 04:20:01 AM
I feel confident that you are going to love THE BEACH BOYS' music when your mind expands further and deeper into their music. You're really off to a great start. Take care.

I guess you're right since I really love what I know now.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on September 20, 2011, 04:25:33 AM
I love Pet Sounds too and I probably wouldn't have ever listened to it if not for the things I've read about it here on the forum.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 20, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
I guess you're right since I really love what I know now.

There's always curiosity about THE BEACH BOYS' music especially after you hear the band's more popular songs. How's the weather in Argentina? Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 20, 2011, 11:04:58 AM
I love Pet Sounds too and I probably wouldn't have ever listened to it if not for the things I've read about it here on the forum.

Hi In My Life! I'm very thankful that Joost wrote a thread about THE BEACH BOYS here on the forum. PET SOUNDS is ranked as one of the Top 10 all-time greatest masterpieces ever! Take care.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on September 20, 2011, 03:28:45 PM
There's always curiosity about THE BEACH BOYS' music especially after you hear the band's more popular songs. How's the weather in Argentina? Take care.

Today is a sunny day here, thanks God. What about your place?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on September 20, 2011, 03:30:01 PM
Hi In My Life! I'm very thankful that Joost wrote a thread about THE BEACH BOYS here on the forum. PET SOUNDS is ranked as one of the Top 10 all-time greatest masterpieces ever! Take care.

Pet Sounds is even included at the very top on some lists.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 20, 2011, 05:30:10 PM
Pet Sounds is even included at the very top on some lists.

Hi Hombre_de_ningun_lugar! I think that the VH-1 and Rolling Stone lists had PET SOUNDS at 2 or 3 with REVOLVER at number 1. One of those lists had PET SOUNDS at number 3 with REVOLVER at number 1 and NIRVANA's Nevermind album at number 2. In my opinion, I truly believe that PET SOUNDS should have been at number 2. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on September 20, 2011, 06:22:01 PM
Hi Hombre_de_ningun_lugar! I think that the VH-1 and Rolling Stone lists had PET SOUNDS at 2 or 3 with REVOLVER at number 1. One of those lists had PET SOUNDS at number 3 with REVOLVER at number 1 and NIRVANA's Nevermind album at number 2. In my opinion, I truly believe that PET SOUNDS should have been at number 2. Take care.

From the top of my head, I remember that the Rolling Stone 500 greatest albums list has Sgt. Pepper's at #1, Pet Sounds at #2 and Revolver at #3, while Mojo Magazine Top 100 list has Pet Sounds at #1.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 20, 2011, 06:27:53 PM
It's time to post this again because I love this song, the way Dennis sings it and the Shindig! Dancers...

The Beach Boys - Do You Wanna Dance? (Shindig! 1965) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJQRxExlmy8#)


Another question for Joost...could that be Billy Preston on piano?  I know he was with Shindig! in 1965.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 20, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
From the top of my head, I remember that the Rolling Stone 500 greatest albums list has Sgt. Pepper's at #1, Pet Sounds at #2 and Revolver at #3, while Mojo Magazine Top 100 list has Pet Sounds at #1.

I do remember something like that, at least all three albums made the top 3. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 20, 2011, 07:45:51 PM
Another question for Joost...could that be Billy Preston on piano?  I know he was with Shindig! in 1965.

I don't know... There is a Billy Preston-Beach Boys connection by the way. Billy Preston, Bruce Fisher and Dennis Wilson wrote 'You Are So Beautiful' together.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 20, 2011, 08:02:19 PM
Pet Sounds is even included at the very top on some lists.

'Pet Sounds' was voted the best album of all time by Mojo's staff & writers (1995), NME's staff & writers (1993) and The Times (1993). It was also voted #2 by Rolling Stone (2003) and Mojo's readers (1996), and #3 by VH1 (2001).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 20, 2011, 08:54:12 PM
How's it going Joost? I hope the day's going well for you. I swear, its tough being a manager! Joost, have you ever posted on your thread, the video of Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (The 1966 version) from Youtube? Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 21, 2011, 01:39:04 AM
I don't know... There is a Billy Preston-Beach Boys connection by the way. Billy Preston, Bruce Fisher and Dennis Wilson wrote 'You Are So Beautiful' together.

Thanks, Joost.  The other question I had got shuffled back to the preceding page.  I had asked if there was a Wendy that figured significantly in either Brian or Mike's life in 1964?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 03:00:28 AM
How's it going Joost? I hope the day's going well for you. I swear, its tough being a manager! Joost, have you ever posted on your thread, the video of Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (The 1966 version) from Youtube? Take care Joost.


Hi Joost! Here it goes, I'm going to try to post THE BEACH BOYS "Mrs. O' Leary's Cow" Video from 1966. This is the original 1966 version.

The Beach Boys - Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire): SMiLE Promo Video - 1967 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEl-1NFTVNs#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on September 21, 2011, 03:05:02 AM
See! That wasn't so hard to do!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 03:07:58 AM
See! That wasn't so hard to do!

No, it wasn't thanks to you! Now you created a Youtube video monster! Thanks again and take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 21, 2011, 03:33:55 AM
Hi Joost! Here it goes, I'm going to try to post THE BEACH BOYS "Mrs. O' Leary's Cow" Video from 1966. This is the original 1966 version.

The Beach Boys - Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire): SMiLE Promo Video - 1967 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEl-1NFTVNs#[/url])



(http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/relicsandcollectables/Famous%20People/000_5263.jpg)


Hey, hey we're The Monkees!


 ;D


Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 03:42:55 AM

([url]http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/relicsandcollectables/Famous%20People/000_5263.jpg[/url])


Hey, hey we're The Monkees!


 ;D


 Cool picture Hello Goodbye!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 21, 2011, 03:47:12 AM
I just wonder who got to the fire first.   ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 03:51:06 AM
I just wonder who got to the fire first.   ;)

One thing's for certain, I'm sure that there was some extreme comedy involved while driving to their destination which would result in the building burning down by the time they got there! 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 21, 2011, 03:52:00 AM
That's for sure!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 21, 2011, 04:38:57 AM
It's time to watch these two videos again...

The Beach Boys - California Girls ( with Bob Hope and Jack Benny ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ourF7nF8P58#)

California Girls by the Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ1UqDnY7as#)


 :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on September 21, 2011, 06:26:41 AM
The Beach Boys - California Girls ( with Bob Hope and Jack Benny )

Thanks for posting that Barry. It's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 10:09:26 AM
It's time to watch these two videos again...

The Beach Boys - California Girls ( with Bob Hope and Jack Benny ) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ourF7nF8P58#[/url])

California Girls by the Beach Boys ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ1UqDnY7as#[/url])


 :)


I LOVE THESE VIDEOS Hello Goodbye! Thanks for posting them and take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 21, 2011, 11:25:47 AM
Thanks, Joost.  The other question I had got shuffled back to the preceding page.  I had asked if there was a Wendy that figured significantly in either Brian or Mike's life in 1964?

Not that I know of... But most of the Beach Boys' songs about girls were in fact autobiographical, so it could be that there was a "real" Wendy... I'll see if I can find something about it somewhere.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 21, 2011, 05:27:25 PM
Regarding the question about Wendy: did some research and the conclusion is... Drum roll... Nobody seems to know.  ;D ;sorry
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 09:18:10 PM
Regarding the question about Wendy: did some research and the conclusion is... Drum roll... Nobody seems to know.  ;D ;sorry

Hi Joost! In my opinion, I think that "Wendy" was just a name for the song. I really don't think that a Wendy existed. Wendy is a British word which means friend. THE BEACH BOYS were really into visiting England and Brian really like the name Wendy. Marilyn knew that Brian liked the name Wendy so much that she decided to name her youngest daughter Wendy. Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 09:25:10 PM
I just wonder who got to the fire first.   ;)

Maybe they should have made a TV series on both bands with the plots like Dick Dastardly & Muttley and the Wacky Races. One band would cheat and win one day while the other band would cheat and win the next day. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 09:51:23 PM
Here's another BEACH BOYS song for the soul! ENJOY!

122 do it again (Beach boys) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9rjg8XV7qQ#noexternalembed-ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 21, 2011, 10:00:48 PM
Here is Brian's unreleased song "Still I Dream Of It" that would finally be released on THE BEACH BOYS GOOD VIBRATIONS, THIRTY YEARS OF THE BEACH BOYS Box Set.

12 Still I Dream Of It - The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNLiHVQsU0#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 22, 2011, 04:17:14 AM
Regarding the question about Wendy: did some research and the conclusion is... Drum roll... Nobody seems to know.  ;D ;sorry


Well, thanks Joost.

Maybe they should have made a TV series on both bands with the plots like Dick Dastardly & Muttley and the Wacky Races. One band would cheat and win one day while the other band would cheat and win the next day. Take care.


Maybe that's it, then.


Anyway, here's a nice live performance of Darlin'...

The Beach Boys - Darlin' live 1974 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxJbymqdMSg#)


I like that song a lot!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 22, 2011, 04:26:03 AM
Do it again, Carl...

Darlin' - The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4juxP3yhzk#)


Yes!   :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 22, 2011, 04:33:58 AM
122 do it again (Beach boys) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9rjg8XV7qQ#noexternalembed-ws[/url])


12 Still I Dream Of It - The Beach Boys ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNLiHVQsU0#[/url])


Thanks, BeatlesForever!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 22, 2011, 07:11:13 PM
Thanks, BeatlesForever!


You're welcome Hello Goodbye! Here's another one of my most favorite BEACH BOYS songs.

The Beach Boys - Forever (Good Vibrations in Central Park 1971) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hyp9b72jSE#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 22, 2011, 09:08:02 PM
Hi BEACH BOYS fans! Here's one for everyone especially the students!

Beach Boys - Student Demonstration Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl1JHXJ6BoU#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 22, 2011, 09:52:03 PM
Here's a great version of "Sail On Sailor."

Matthew Sweet & Darius Rucker - Sail On Sailor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnZK1zFFyKI#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 23, 2011, 02:34:45 AM
Here's a rendition of "California Girls" by DAVID LEE ROTH.

David Lee Roth - California Girls (Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbhfI8f_Ek#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 23, 2011, 04:28:27 AM
I like the David Lee Roth version.  He knew how to  (http://i53.tinypic.com/2enyyy8.jpg)


 ha2ha


Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 23, 2011, 10:52:31 AM
I like the David Lee Roth version.  He knew how to  ([url]http://i53.tinypic.com/2enyyy8.jpg[/url])


 ha2ha


 ha2ha  ha2ha It must have been the drugs! Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 24, 2011, 12:45:56 AM
ha2ha  ha2ha It must have been the drugs! Take care.


Here's a BEACH BOYS rendition of the MERLE HAGGARD classic "Okie From Muskogee." I wish that the picture and sound quality was better. Take care and ENJOY!

The Beach Boys - "Okie from Muskogee" - Central Park, New York - July 2, 1971 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRyD-biu7mQ#)

 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 24, 2011, 09:40:58 PM
How's it going Joost, my fellow BEACH BOYS fanatic? How's The Netherlands treating you? I take it that you knew that Eddie and Alex Van Halen were born in The Netherlands. Eddie was born in Nijmegan, The Netherlands and Alex was born in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 25, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
The Wilsons have some Dutch blood too. Their mother Audree Korthof Wilson's grandfather Aart Arie Korthof was a Dutchman who immigrated to the US in 1885.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 25, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
The Wilsons have some Dutch blood too. Their mother Audree Korthof Wilson's grandfather Aart Arie Korthof was a Dutchman who immigrated to the US in 1885.

Hi Joost! You are correct my friend! According to the book THE NEAREST FARAWAY PLACE, BRIAN WILSON,THE BEACH BOYS AND THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EXPERIENCE by Timothy White, on page 62, Aart Arie Korthof, at age 19, immigrated to the U.S. from Amsterdam aboard the S.S. Anchoria liner on 5 August 1885. Take care Joost.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on September 27, 2011, 03:00:44 AM
1964: The Beach Boys made their TV debut on 'The Ed Sullivan Show' on US TV where they performed 'I Get Around' and 'Wendy'.

I'm surprised they weren't asked to change "made it with another guy" to something more benign.  ;)

Beach Boys Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 27, 2011, 03:08:26 AM
1964: The Beach Boys made their TV debut on 'The Ed Sullivan Show' on US TV where they performed 'I Get Around' and 'Wendy'.

I'm surprised they weren't asked to change "made it with another guy" to something more benign.  ;)

Beach Boys Wendy ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#[/url])


Great video In My Life! If my memory serves me right, THE BEACH BOYS were also on the same bill with THE BEATLES while they (THE BEATLES) were performing their first gig ever at the Washington D.C. Coliseum in Washington, D.C. on 11 February 1964. I have a great bootleg of that show with excellent picture and sound quality. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 27, 2011, 11:51:37 AM
Great video In My Life! If my memory serves me right, THE BEACH BOYS were also on the same bill with THE BEATLES while they (THE BEATLES) were performing their first gig ever at the Washington D.C. Coliseum in Washington, D.C. on 11 February 1964. I have a great bootleg of that show with excellent picture and sound quality. Take care.

There is an official, authorized DVD release of this Beach Boys gig, it's called 'The Lost Concert'.

By the way, the Beach Boys were not on the bill at the Washington DC gig. In 1964, a 90 minutes concert film featuring The Beatles, The Beach Boys and Lesley Gore was shown in theaters across the US, but while The Beatles gig was indeed filmed in Washington, the Beach Boys gig was filmed on March 14, 1964 at the NBC Studios in Burbank, CA.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 27, 2011, 09:48:45 PM
There is an official, authorized DVD release of this Beach Boys gig, it's called 'The Lost Concert'.

By the way, the Beach Boys were not on the bill at the Washington DC gig. In 1964, a 90 minutes concert film featuring The Beatles, The Beach Boys and Lesley Gore was shown in theaters across the US, but while The Beatles gig was indeed filmed in Washington, the Beach Boys gig was filmed on March 14, 1964 at the NBC Studios in Burbank, CA.

That's right Joost, you're right! My wrong! It was shown across the theaters on close circuit. I don't know why I thought that THE BEACH BOYS were performing on 11 February 1964 with THE BEATLES. Take care Joost. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on September 28, 2011, 12:17:19 AM
There is an official, authorized DVD release of this Beach Boys gig, it's called 'The Lost Concert'.

By the way, the Beach Boys were not on the bill at the Washington DC gig. In 1964, a 90 minutes concert film featuring The Beatles, The Beach Boys and Lesley Gore was shown in theaters across the US, but while The Beatles gig was indeed filmed in Washington, the Beach Boys gig was filmed on March 14, 1964 at the NBC Studios in Burbank, CA.

Hi Joost! I tell ya, your knowledge on THE BEACH BOYS keeps me on my toes.  ha2ha Now I know where I thought that THE BEACH BOYS were on the same bill with THE BEATLES. I have an old VHS bootleg of THE BEATLES Washington D.C. show on 11 February 1964. This film version was absolutely awful. However, there is a film ad, on this VHS version only, that states: "also appearing THE BEACH BOYS." Thats where I got it from and I should have remembered that both bands did not appear together at the Washington D.C. Coliseum.

I do have "The Lost Concert" on DVD, the outstanding crisp clear audio and video quality of that show is exactly what THE BEATLES' Washington D.C. concert, 11 February 1964 bootleg DVD looks like. Its the best quality that I have ever seen of this show. THE BEATLES Anthology showed some of the crisp clear video with excellent picture and sound quality from the 11 February 1964 show. Now the whole show is shown in its entirety on THE BEATLES website. Since this show is not available on DVD yet, there's crisp clear video bootleg DVD's that look and sound GREAT! Its amazing Joost how far technology has come. Take care.       
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2011, 08:14:26 AM
Regarding the question about Wendy: did some research and the conclusion is... Drum roll... Nobody seems to know.  ;D ;sorry

I got a new Beach Boys book yesterday, 'The Beach Boys FAQ' (in which my name is mentioned twice, BTW...  8) ). And it turns out there was a Wendy. She was called Wendy Vines and was one of Dennis's girlfriends, and the teenage daughter of his landlord. When her dad found out he was furious, but somehow Dennis managed to calm him down. Interestingly, Wendy left Dennis for another guy, but he and her dad became regular fishing buddies!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 08, 2011, 11:09:23 AM
I got a new Beach Boys book yesterday, 'The Beach Boys FAQ' (in which my name is mentioned twice, BTW...  8) ). And it turns out there was a Wendy. She was called Wendy Vines and was one of Dennis's girlfriends, and the teenage daughter of his landlord. When her dad found out he was furious, but somehow Dennis managed to calm him down. Interestingly, Wendy left Dennis for another guy, but he and her dad became regular fishing buddies!

Hi Joost, my fellow BEACH BOYS fanatic! WOW, that's one fact that Brian (He didn't remember) nor I even remembered. What book was this written in? Happy "B" Day Joost and take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2011, 01:45:58 PM
'The Beach Boys FAQ' by Jon Stebbins (who also wrote 'The Real Beach Boy' about Dennis and 'The Lost Beach Boy' about David Marks). It came out last month.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 08, 2011, 02:16:51 PM
'The Beach Boys FAQ' by Jon Stebbins (who also wrote 'The Real Beach Boy' about Dennis and 'The Lost Beach Boy' about David Marks). It came out last month.

Hi Joost! Ah, this is a new book! I was thinking to myself, I own over a dozen BEACH BOYS books and have never read anywhere that there was a real "Wendy." I read about Jon Stebbins writing a new book but I didn't know when it was coming out. I just bought the book and am looking forward to reading it. Thanks for the info Joost and take care.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
Hi Joost! Ah, this is a new book! I was thinking to myself, I own over a dozen BEACH BOYS books and have never read anywhere that there was a real "Wendy." I read about Jon Stebbins writing a new book but I didn't know when it was coming out. I just bought the book and am looking forward to reading it. Thanks for the info Joost and take care.   

Especially check out the last chapter of the book. It's compiled by yours truly. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 08, 2011, 05:20:07 PM
Especially check out the last chapter of the book. It's compiled by yours truly. :)

Now I'm really looking forward to reading it. I should be getting my book next week from Amazon. I just got off the phone with Billy Hinsche, I will be visiting him at his home in Vegas next month for business reasons. I asked him if he knew anything about who "Wendy" was but he didn't know. I'm kind of curious as to how Jon Stebbins found out about Wendy Vines. Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on October 15, 2011, 01:17:52 PM
Any thoughts on their 1977 album "Love You"? I've read a bit about it, and apparently it was entirely written and produced by Brian Wilson.I've also read a few reviews and most of them were positive. I haven't listen to it yet, but I'm planning on doing it soon. Is it good?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 15, 2011, 01:55:47 PM
Any thoughts on their 1977 album "Love You"? I've read a bit about it, and apparently it was entirely written and produced by Brian Wilson.I've also read a few reviews and most of them were positive. I haven't listen to it yet, but I'm planning on doing it soon. Is it good?

Hi 5th Beatle! How are you? The "Love You" album, along with "15 Big Ones," were released during the so called "Brian Is Back" campaign. In reality, it wasn't true. Brian was still fighting his demons as well as Mike Love. It is true that Brian wrote and produced the "Love You" album but Brian was not healthy during this period. Believe it or not, this was the band's attempt (They finally came to their senses) in trying to get Brian back in the studio producing. You might still be able to buy the "Love You" and "15 Big Ones" albums on one CD. In my opinion, the "Love you" album is not a bad album, but its not the band's greatest album either. The tracks on the "Love You" album are as follows:

(1.) Let Us Go On This Way
(2.) Roller Skating Child
(3.) Mona
(4.) Johnny Carson
(5.) Good Time
(6.) Honkin' Down The Highway
(7.) Ding Dang
(8.) Solar System
(9.) The Night Was So Young
(10.) I'll Bet He's Nice
(11.) Let's Put Our Hearts Together
(12.) I Wanna Pick You Up
(13.) Airplane
(14.) Love Is A Woman

In my opinion, the best songs on the "Love You" album are "Mona" and "Honkin' Down The Highway." I feel confident that Joost can add more to my post, take care 5th Beatle.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 15, 2011, 03:13:27 PM
'Love You' is weird, don't expect it to sound like any other Beach Boys album. The lyrics are strange and childlike (at times even childish) and the music was almost entirely performed by Brian. And since Brian isn't really a multi-instrumentalist, that means it's thick layers of keyboards, rudimentary drums and not much else. This is not one of my favorite Beach Boys albums, but it's certainly interesting and still better than any Beach Boys album that came after.

'The Night Was So Young' is the absolutele highlight of the album if you ask me. Absolutely beautiful. 'Let Us Go On This Way' is pretty great too. Songs like 'Johnny Carson', 'Ding Dang' and 'Solar System' are very silly, I guess it depends on your sense of humor if you will love or hate them.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 15, 2011, 03:25:42 PM
'Love You' is weird, don't expect it to sound like any other Beach Boys album. The lyrics are strange and childlike (at times even childish) and the music was almost entirely performed by Brian. And since Brian isn't really a multi-instrumentalist, that means it's thick layers of keyboards, rudimentary drums and not much else. This is not one of my favorite Beach Boys albums, but it's certainly interesting and still better than any Beach Boys album that came after.

'The Night Was So Young' is the absolutele highlight of the album if you ask me. Absolutely beautiful. 'Let Us Go On This Way' is pretty great too. Songs like 'Johnny Carson', 'Ding Dang' and 'Solar System' are very silly, I guess it depends on your sense of humor if you will love or hate them.

Hi Joost! How are you? I can't disagree with you on this one, "Love You" is a weird album indeed! Despite the ADULT CHILD album remaining unreleased (It was to be released before the "Love You" album), I'm very surprised that "It's Over Now" and "Still I Dream Of It" were never included on the "Love You" album. In my opinion, both of these songs would have improved the weird "Love You" album. What do you think Joost?   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 15, 2011, 05:30:14 PM
I think that 'Still I Dream of It' is certainly better than most songs on 'Love You', but I guess that an orchestrated song like that would have been out of place on the album.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 15, 2011, 06:02:06 PM
I think that 'Still I Dream of It' is certainly better than most songs on 'Love You', but I guess that an orchestrated song like that would have been out of place on the album.

That's true! I was just listening to the "Love You" album, I can't get into it at all. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: KeepUnderCover on October 15, 2011, 06:17:56 PM
I have the Love You album, but haven't listened to it yet.

I, however, absolutely love the 15 Big Ones album! I would highly recommend that one.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 15, 2011, 06:36:40 PM
I, however, absolutely love the 15 Big Ones album! I would highly recommend that one.

To each his own, but that's easily one of my least favorite Beach Boys albums. For several reasons. The ugly sound which is dominated by thick, primitive synthesizers. Some of the worst vocals Brian ever recorded. Lots of uninspired cover songs. Some of the very worst originals the group ever recorded ('TM Song', 'Everyone's in Love with You'). And the fact that this albums marked the end of The Beach Boys as a progressive creative force. 'It's OK', 'Had to Phone Ya' and 'That Same Song' are good songs, but that's pretty much it. I personally would recommend anyone who's not a completist to just check out these three songs and leave the rest alone. But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 15, 2011, 07:32:59 PM
To each his own, but that's easily one of my least favorite Beach Boys albums. For several reasons. The ugly sound which is dominated by thick, primitive synthesizers. Some of the worst vocals Brian ever recorded. Lots of uninspired cover songs. Some of the very worst originals the group ever recorded ('TM Song', 'Everyone's in Love with You'). And the fact that this albums marked the end of The Beach Boys as a progressive creative force. 'It's OK', 'Had to Phone Ya' and 'That Same Song' are good songs, but that's pretty much it. I personally would recommend anyone who's not a completist to just check out these three songs and leave the rest alone. But that's just my opinion.

"Susie Cincinnati" is not a bad song but they should have used the original LANDLOCKED version from 1970-71. The LANDLOCKED version rocked! In my opinion, 15 BIG ONES and LOVE YOU could have been one album together since the music style is exactly the same. THE BEACH BOYS' surf sound in the late 1970's (Not the early 1970's) didn't rock like the 1960's.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: KeepUnderCover on October 15, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
To each his own, but that's easily one of my least favorite Beach Boys albums. For several reasons. The ugly sound which is dominated by thick, primitive synthesizers. Some of the worst vocals Brian ever recorded. Lots of uninspired cover songs. Some of the very worst originals the group ever recorded ('TM Song', 'Everyone's in Love with You'). And the fact that this albums marked the end of The Beach Boys as a progressive creative force. 'It's OK', 'Had to Phone Ya' and 'That Same Song' are good songs, but that's pretty much it. I personally would recommend anyone who's not a completist to just check out these three songs and leave the rest alone. But that's just my opinion.

Keep in mind that, while I have all of the Beach Boys albums on my iTunes, I haven't listened to all of them, or even most of them. I just started getting into them a few months ago, and went on a buying craze!

My favorite Beach Boys album is definitely Pet Sounds. Could listen to that album over and over again, and never get tired of it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 15, 2011, 08:41:03 PM
In my opinion, 15 BIG ONES and LOVE YOU could have been one album together since the music style is exactly the same.
Production wise they do sound somewhat identical, but I think the "spirit" of both albums is totally different. I always saw '15 Big Ones' mostly as Mike's brainchild (with the cheesy covers and the TM influences) while 'Love You' is 100% Brian.

THE BEACH BOYS' surf sound in the late 1970's (Not the early 1970's) didn't rock like the 1960's.
Isn't it funny how the Beach Boys' music from the late 70s, the 80s and the 90s sounds much more dated now than their 60s and early 70s material? That's what you get when you try to go with the trends, instead of just sticking with what you do best...

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 15, 2011, 08:51:30 PM
Keep in mind that, while I have all of the Beach Boys albums on my iTunes, I haven't listened to all of them, or even most of them. I just started getting into them a few months ago, and went on a buying craze!

Good for you! :) I had the same thing about seven years ago. I bought all their albums within a year and discovered them in random order.

My advice would be to start with the albums from 1965-1971 (all essential), then go on to the 1962-1964 and 1972-1973 albums (more ups and downs but still lots of brilliant stuff) and leave the 1976-1996 material (mostly for completists) for last.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: KeepUnderCover on October 15, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
Good for you! :) I had the same thing about seven years ago. I bought all their albums within a year and discovered them in random order.

My advice would be to start with the albums from 1965-1971 (all essential), then go on to the 1962-1964 and 1972-1973 albums (more ups and downs but still lots of brilliant stuff) and leave the 1976-1996 material (mostly for completists) for last.

Thanks for the advice. :)

I have already listened to the first two albums, Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl, I think they're called? I like both of them - but then again, I grew up listening to the singles, despite being a kid back in the 90's.

I also saw The Beach Boys live once, although I'm not sure if it was with Brian Wilson or not?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 15, 2011, 09:57:46 PM
I also saw The Beach Boys live once, although I'm not sure if it was with Brian Wilson or not?

Probably not. The last time Brian performed live with The Beach Boys was in September 1996. And before that, only sporadically.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 15, 2011, 10:33:44 PM
Production wise they do sound somewhat identical, but I think the "spirit" of both albums is totally different. I always saw '15 Big Ones' mostly as Mike's brainchild (with the cheesy covers and the TM influences) while 'Love You' is 100% Brian.
Isn't it funny how the Beach Boys' music from the late 70s, the 80s and the 90s sounds much more dated now than their 60s and early 70s material? That's what you get when you try to go with the trends, instead of just sticking with what you do best...

Hi Joost! The spirit of both albums are different seeing that the 15 BIG ONES album was released in 1976 which is the Bicentennial year.

In a way Joost, the band (Mostly Mike) did what they said that they would never do which is mess with the surf sound formula and therefore change with the trends and times. Like you said Joost, the band should have stuck to what they did best which is stick to the original surf sound formula.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 16, 2011, 01:14:46 AM
Hi Joost! Are you still looking for original BEACH BOYS Sea Of Tunes CD collections? I own all of THE BEACH BOYS Sea Of Tunes CD collections and they are good. Here is the link to one of the CD collections that is being sold on eBay. Take care Joost.

   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beach-Boys-Rare-OOP-Smile-Boxset-rare-tracks-commercials-and-book-/230637611088?_trksid=p3286.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3504952439886694998 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beach-Boys-Rare-OOP-Smile-Boxset-rare-tracks-commercials-and-book-/230637611088?_trksid=p3286.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3504952439886694998)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 17, 2011, 09:31:40 AM
Like you said Joost, the band should have stuck to what they did best which is stick to the original surf sound formula.   

That's not really what I meant. If they would've stuck with the original surf formula, 'Pet Sounds', 'SMiLE', 'Sunflower' and all those other masterpieces wouldn't have happened. I meant that they just had to stick to doing their own thing without caring about the trends in music. In the late 70s and the 80s they started experimenting with disco, synthesizers, drum computers, filtered vocals, hard rock guitars and even rap. None of which were very good ideas.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 17, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
Hi Joost! Are you still looking for original BEACH BOYS Sea Of Tunes CD collections? I own all of THE BEACH BOYS Sea Of Tunes CD collections and they are good. Here is the link to one of the CD collections that is being sold on eBay. Take care Joost.

   [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beach-Boys-Rare-OOP-Smile-Boxset-rare-tracks-commercials-and-book-/230637611088?_trksid=p3286.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3504952439886694998[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beach-Boys-Rare-OOP-Smile-Boxset-rare-tracks-commercials-and-book-/230637611088?_trksid=p3286.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3504952439886694998[/url])


Thanks for the tip, but unfortionately $318 is quite a bit more than I'm willing to spend on a couple of CDs...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 17, 2011, 09:15:53 PM
That's not really what I meant. If they would've stuck with the original surf formula, 'Pet Sounds', 'SMiLE', 'Sunflower' and all those other masterpieces wouldn't have happened. I meant that they just had to stick to doing their own thing without caring about the trends in music. In the late 70s and the 80s they started experimenting with disco, synthesizers, drum computers, filtered vocals, hard rock guitars and even rap. None of which were very good ideas.

I took it differently. Let me try explaining what I meant. I'm saying that the band did change the surf sound formula in the late 1970's (I'm not talking about the 60's) by using and experimenting with disco, synthesizers, drum computers, filtered vocals and etc...If the band would have stuck to the original surf sound formula, since Mike did not want the formula messed with despite him changing it later, and not changed the formula with the times, THE BEACH BOYS could have made some great albums in the late 1970's. Otherwise, the band changed the surf sound as part of changing with the times and trends rather than do what they did best. You're right Joost, if Brian didn't change the surf sound formula, PET SOUNDS, SMiLE and SUNFLOWER would have never happened. However, the PET SOUNDS, SMiLE and SUNFLOWER sound formula period/era did not last very long, thanks primarily to Mike, and the surf sound formula would take over again, only this time, the formula was going through different changes and stages not to mention the trends that would change the surf sound through the 70's and into the late 1970's. If the band was changing with the trends and times, Mike should have left Brian alone and let him continue in changing their sound with the trends and times. If Mike wasn't going to let Brian have his way, then Mike should have continued on with the original surf sound and not the surf sound we hear today. I hope that I'm making sense Joost. 

If Mike would have let Brian continue in doing what he wanted to do in the studio, THE BEACH BOYS' legend would be completely different than what they are now. Mike wanted the surf sound, Brian didn't, which sound won in the end? In my opinion, Mike was primarily responsible for changing the surf sound into the surf sound we hear today. Who's leading THE BEACH BOYS now? I just wish that Mike would have left the original surf sound alone and not changed the sound with the times especially since the surf sound is what he wanted for the band. I hope that I'm making sense Joost. Take care.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 17, 2011, 09:21:52 PM
Thanks for the tip, but unfortionately $318 is quite a bit more than I'm willing to spend on a couple of CDs...

It is expensive but I have seen this 3-CD set sell for as much as $500.00 on eBay. Like I said Joost, this is a RARE collector's item by Sea Of Tunes. Take care Joost.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 17, 2011, 09:39:04 PM
Especially check out the last chapter of the book. It's compiled by yours truly. :)

Hi Joost, I just received my book today. Your name should be the name of a band!  ha2ha
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 18, 2011, 12:38:37 PM
I doubt it. Too hard to pronounce correctly for English speaking people. :)

However, the PET SOUNDS, SMiLE and SUNFLOWER sound formula period/era did not last very long, thanks primarily to Mike, and the surf sound formula would take over again
Well, if you think of it, it actually did last quite a while. Brian left the surf formula in 1965 (with 'The Beach Boys Today!') and they didn't transform into Mike Love's oldies act until 1976 (with '15 Big Ones'), and even then in 1977 they made another typical Brian album ('Love You'). Mike was always sceptical of Brian's new directions, but he never actively prevented him from doing something new. Mike might not have been the biggest fan of Brian's musical ambitions, but I think he knew better than anyone else that he needed Brian much more than Brian needed him. After 'SMiLE', I think that Brian just mentally wasn't able to keep towing the band. I personally think that Mike's contribution to that process, although his attitude certainly didn't help, has always been overstated. I think that to Brian, he was just a bit of a prick, but not much more than that.

Mike wanted the surf sound, Brian didn't, which sound won in the end?
Depends on how you look at it. Brian wins from an artistic point of view, Mike wins from a commercial point of view. Which sound are The Beach Boys remembered for most? The surf sound. Which album sold better, the surf era compilation 'Endless Summer'  or 'Pet Sounds'? 'Endless Summer' remained on the charts for 155 weeks and made it to #1, 'Pet Sounds' didn't even become a gold record until 2000. Who wrote the most top 40 singles in the last thirty years? Mike wins 2-0. My point is that even though Brian has more musical talent in his little toe than Mike ever had in his whole body, "Mike's Beach Boys" were million sellers, while "Brian's Beach Boys" were "just" cult icons. You've got to give Mike some credit for that. Mike knew really well what the big public wanted while Brian's thing was more sophisticated and for a more selective audience.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 18, 2011, 08:56:41 PM
I doubt it. Too hard to pronounce correctly for English speaking people. :)
Well, if you think of it, it actually did last quite a while. Brian left the surf formula in 1965 (with 'The Beach Boys Today!') and they didn't transform into Mike Love's oldies act until 1976 (with '15 Big Ones'), and even then in 1977 they made another typical Brian album ('Love You'). Mike was always sceptical of Brian's new directions, but he never actively prevented him from doing something new. Mike might not have been the biggest fan of Brian's musical ambitions, but I think he knew better than anyone else that he needed Brian much more than Brian needed him. After 'SMiLE', I think that Brian just mentally wasn't able to keep towing the band. I personally think that Mike's contribution to that process, although his attitude certainly didn't help, has always been overstated. I think that to Brian, he was just a bit of a prick, but not much more than that.
Depends on how you look at it. Brian wins from an artistic point of view, Mike wins from a commercial point of view. Which sound are The Beach Boys remembered for most? The surf sound. Which album sold better, the surf era compilation 'Endless Summer'  or 'Pet Sounds'? 'Endless Summer' remained on the charts for 155 weeks and made it to #1, 'Pet Sounds' didn't even become a gold record until 2000. Who wrote the most top 40 singles in the last thirty years? Mike wins 2-0. My point is that even though Brian has more musical talent in his little toe than Mike ever had in his whole body, "Mike's Beach Boys" were million sellers, while "Brian's Beach Boys" were "just" cult icons. You've got to give Mike some credit for that. Mike knew really well what the big public wanted while Brian's thing was more sophisticated and for a more selective audience.

Maybe Spanish speaking people can pronounce it better!  ha2ha

Hi Joost, when you think of THE BEACH BOYS career up to now, in reality, the PET SOUNDS, SMiLE and SUNFLOWER period did not last long thanks to Mike. In my opinion, the LOVE YOU album from 1977 may have been a "so called" Brian Wilson album, but it had the Mike Love influence stamped all over it. If Brian would have had his way, he would have recorded more songs like "It's Over Now" and "Still I Dream Of It" and not record the pop surf late 70's music sounds of "Rock And Roll Music."

Yes, the Surf sound of the 1960's has perservered up to now commercially and because of that, Mike should have stuck with the 1960's Rock Surf sound formula and not settled on changing the Surf sound into something less bal*sy in the late 1970's. In my opinion, when Mike sold out and settled on his new Surf sound for the band in the late 1970's, the progress of the band went backwards rather than move forward like Brian would have liked to. In my opinion, the band's Surf sound (I like to call it Bubble Gum Surf music) in the late 1970's had no ba*ls, backbone or soul to it. The band's original trademark Surf sound in the early to mid 1960's (I call it the true Surf Rock music) had ba*ls, backbone and soul, Mike should have stuck to the original 1960's Surf sound formula if he was not going to let Brian move musically in the artistic and commercial direction that he wanted to go.

Surf Rock music in the 1960's was raw and kicked a*s! However, Brian took Surf music to another level and presented Surf Rock to the music world in a whole different way. In my opinion, Surf Rock music had reached its maximum point in the mid 1960's, thanks to Brian, and it should have stayed that way going into the mid and late 1970's. In my opinion, when Mike messed with the Surf sound formula by changing the sound itself in the mid to late 1970's, it ruined THE BEACH BOYS sound.

Endless Summer proved that THE BEACH BOYS original trademark Surf Rock sound formula was the ultimate winning sound for THE BEACH BOYS, the band (Mainly Mike) should have kept it that way and not changed it if Brian was not permitted to move the band into a different musical direction. In my opinion, yes, maybe Mike's BEACH BOYS are million sellers, but Mike sold out. Take care.                 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 18, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
Of course Mike sold out. But I think he himself will be the last person to deny that. Brian's an artist, Mike just wants to sell as many records as possible. That has never really been a secret.

I read a theory about Mike Love somewhere that made sense to me. Mike grew up in a wealthy family, but they became poor when his dad went bankrupt. That must have been traumatizing. So that might explain why he just wanted to do what he thought would be commercially successful.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 18, 2011, 09:41:44 PM
Of course Mike sold out. But I think he himself will be the last person to deny that. Brian's an artist, Mike just wants to sell as many records as possible. That has never really been a secret.

I read a theory about Mike Love somewhere that made sense to me. Mike grew up in a wealthy family, but they became poor when his dad went bankrupt. That must have been traumatizing. So that might explain why he just wanted to do what he thought would be commercially successful.

Now we're on the same course!  ha2ha Mike Love will deny just about anything pertaining to Brian and THE BEACH BOYS (Especially SMiLE). I agree with you, Mike only cares about selling records and making money even if it means selling out by taking the short cuts with the music itself. How sad.

Joost, I read that Mike Love (Along with Brian and Al) is one of the main participants in the SMiLE project. I cannot understand why Mike NOW wants to be part of the SMiLE project when he didn't want anything to do with it back in 1966-67. Its the money, thats what it is. I think that this is ridiculous. What do you think of this Joost?   

I also read that Mike Love also had a baby coming on the way and was desperate in making some quick money.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 19, 2011, 07:57:05 AM
Mike Love always seems to divide Beach Boys fans into two camps. Some love The Beach Boys including Mike, some love The Beach Boys despite him.

Seems to me like you belong to the second group, right? ;) On some days I do too. He doesn't seem to me like the kind of guy I would like to hang out with, I think he's a not overtly talented self-centered prick who blows his own horn way too much, and I think he made a lot of unfortionate decisions throughout his life and career. But I really can't hate the guy. After all, he was an essential part of my favorite band of all time. It's a fact that without him The Beach Boys wouldn't have been the same band.

Brian was the musical genius, but the whole California sun & fun thing, that was Mike, not Brian. Unlike Brian, Mike knew what the big public wanted to hear. He was the only showman in a band that was otherwise pretty dull to watch on stage. And he's been touring pretty much non-stop for half a freaking century now, still keeping The Beach Boys' name alive (although it's up for debate if the current touring version of The Beach Boys does the group's name good or harm...). Most of his peers are already retired and he's got more money than he'll be able to spend in this lifetime, but he just keeps going, so he most REALLY love just being a Beach Boy. Gotta give him some credit for that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 19, 2011, 09:01:58 AM
Congrats on the Beach Boys book credit Joost  :) I'd like to see a picture of that. So cool!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 19, 2011, 11:49:54 AM
Mike Love always seems to divide Beach Boys fans into two camps. Some love The Beach Boys including Mike, some love The Beach Boys despite him.

Seems to me like you belong to the second group, right? ;) On some days I do too. He doesn't seem to me like the kind of guy I would like to hang out with, I think he's a not overtly talented self-centered prick who blows his own horn way too much, and I think he made a lot of unfortionate decisions throughout his life and career. But I really can't hate the guy. After all, he was an essential part of my favorite band of all time. It's a fact that without him The Beach Boys wouldn't have been the same band.

Brian was the musical genius, but the whole California sun & fun thing, that was Mike, not Brian. Unlike Brian, Mike knew what the big public wanted to hear. He was the only showman in a band that was otherwise pretty dull to watch on stage. And he's been touring pretty much non-stop for half a freaking century now, still keeping The Beach Boys' name alive (although it's up for debate if the current touring version of The Beach Boys does the group's name good or harm...). Most of his peers are already retired and he's got more money than he'll be able to spend in this lifetime, but he just keeps going, so he most REALLY love just being a Beach Boy. Gotta give him some credit for that.

Hi Joost! I belong to the second group all the way because I have a reason. You called it right Joost, he is a not overly talented self-centered prick who blows his horn way too much. Mike is also an arrogant egotistical narrow minded SOB that needs to be knocked on his a*s and I almost did it in 1981. When I met Mike Love for the first time in 1981, I got into a fight with him. Denny got between the both of us and broke us apart. Mike REALLY is NOT the kind of guy that you (Or anyone for that matter) would like to hang out with. If you would have met and knew Mike the way I did, I promise you that you would feel the same way I do.

I thought that THE BEACH BOYS was your second favorite band behind THE BEATLES!  ha2ha

I'm really proud of Brian for becoming the touring musician and artist that he's become. I would have never believed that Brian would do the impossible which is tour the world in the 2000's. In my opinion, I really believe that Brian is travelling on a mental journey back in time and making the wrong right by finishing his SMiLE masterpiece. Doing this, he is finally making peace within himself.

In my opinion, Mike's BEACH BOYS has done the band more harm with the Bubble Gum Surf music he sings now. However, financially, the band is still successful to this day thanks to the diehard BEACH BOYS fans. In a way, I guess that we'll find out on and after 1 November 2011 when SMiLE is released, does the fans really want today's BEACH BOYS sound or the experimental BEACH BOYS sound from the 1966-67 period. Take care Joost.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 19, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
Hi Joost! I belong to the second group all the way because I have a reason. You called it right Joost, he is a not overly talented self-centered prick who blows his horn way too much. Mike is also an arrogant egotistical narrow minded SOB that needs to be knocked on his a*s and I almost did it in 1981. When I met Mike Love for the first time in 1981, I got into a fight with him. Denny got between the both of us and broke us apart. Mike REALLY is NOT the kind of guy that you (Or anyone for that matter) would like to hang out with. If you would have met and knew Mike the way I did, I promise you that you would feel the same way I do.
Could be, but if would have to stop listening to every musician who I probably wouldn't like as a person, I'd miss out on an awful lot of great music. And in all honesty, although I really believe that he had a good heart, it's not like Dennis never gave anyone a very good reason for wanting to give him a serious beating...

May I ask how you got to meet The Beach Boys?

I'm really proud of Brian for becoming the touring musician and artist that he's become. I would have never believed that Brian would do the impossible which is tour the world in the 2000's. In my opinion, I really believe that Brian is travelling on a mental journey back in time and making the wrong right by finishing his SMiLE masterpiece. Doing this, he is finally making peace within himself.
I agree. For a guy who was written off and as good as dead thirty years ago, he's done extremely well in the last decade or so. If you would've said in 1980 that at almost 70, Brian would be touring the world, releasing really good solo albums fairly regularly and have a finished 'SMiLE' on his name, nobody would have believed it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 19, 2011, 10:22:20 PM
Could be, but if would have to stop listening to every musician who I probably wouldn't like as a person, I'd miss out on an awful lot of great music. And in all honesty, although I really believe that he had a good heart, it's not like Dennis never gave anyone a very good reason for wanting to give him a serious beating...

May I ask how you got to meet The Beach Boys?
I agree. For a guy who was written off and as good as dead thirty years ago, he's done extremely well in the last decade or so. If you would've said in 1980 that at almost 70, Brian would be touring the world, releasing really good solo albums fairly regularly and have a finished 'SMiLE' on his name, nobody would have believed it.

Please don't get me wrong Joost, just because I dislike Mike doesn't mean that I am going to let him make me miss out on a lot of great BEACH BOYS music. I still love THE BEACH BOYS! Believe me, Denny was no saint either. Denny pi*sed off a lot of people, but he did have a good heart.

I have to shorten this story since it is a very long story. I met Denny first by accident at a party in Long Beach on my 20th "B" day which is 7 April 1981. I lived in Sacramento, California at the time and a friend (Co-worker who was a kin to Ed Roach) of mine invited me to a party at a beach house in Long Beach, California. I accepted since I wanted to meet some women at the beach.

I must confess something to you Joost, prior to driving to Long Beach, I did not know that I was going to meet Denny. I was also not a devout BEACH BOYS fan in the beginning. I've heard of THE BEACH BOYS and have heard their music but I was not a big fan of theirs prior to meeting Denny. I was a big fan of LED ZEPPELIN, THE BEATLES, THE STONES and FLEETWOOD MAC just to name a few.

At the beach house, I remember that there was a beautiful black shiny piano in the big family room. My friend introduced me to Ed and he really gave me a warm welcome. When Denny showed up, he was the center of attention at the party. Denny approached me and introduced himself to me. I shook his hand and I introduced myself to him. Denny was the nicest guy, we started talking about LED ZEPPELIN. You'll never believe this Joost but I was stupid enough to ask Denny what he did for a living. Denny then asked me "do you know who I am?" Here I am, standing there, feeling like sh*t, and I didn't know who Denny was. Denny told me that he's Dennis Wilson, drummer for THE BEACH BOYS! I swear Joost, I just didn't recognize him with the long hair and beard. In reality, I was in denial, I just didn't believe that it was Denny. I told Denny that it was my "B" day, Denny, on the spur of the moment, gave me the greatest present that any Rock star could ever give me, two beautiful women and a bag of coke! Denny told me to have a great time on him! AND BOY DID I EVER! Joost, I have so many stories to tell about Denny, especially between 1981 to 1983.

As for meeting THE BEACH BOYS, in general, I met them all after the first BEACH BOYS concert I ever saw, which is the Greek Theatre in L.A. on Friday, 17 July 1981. After the concert, my friend and Ed Roach took me to someone's house (I don't remember who's house it was) and that's where I met all of THE BEACH BOYS for the first time. It was also at this house where I got into a yelling confrontation with Mike which almost got violent. It was over a stupid f*c*ing drink! Mike wanted me to pay for it since he was convinced that I was a leach. I walked up to Mike, told him f*c* you and shoved him in his face with my hand. Then Denny would get between the both of us and break us apart. That's how I met THE BEACH BOYS!  Take care Joost.

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on October 25, 2011, 01:45:02 PM
That's a very interesting story, BeatlesForever, I would love to hear more of them.

I've got another Beach Boys question, that I've been asking myself without doing any research whatsoever. It's been said that Brian got into depression after he abandoned SMiLE and that he was "locked" in his bedroom for 3 years or so (I think). That means '67 - 70, right?
I'm looking right now to their 1967 album, "Wild Honey", the 1968 "Friends" and the 1969 "20/20" and they all have plenty of written songs credited to Brian and even sung by him. How come? He still kept on recording and writing? Or are they songs written before, during the "Pet Sounds" or "SMiLE" sessions?

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 25, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
I've got another Beach Boys question, that I've been asking myself without doing any research whatsoever. It's been said that Brian got into depression after he abandoned SMiLE and that he was "locked" in his bedroom for 3 years or so (I think). That means '67 - 70, right?
It's a myth that Brian locked himself up in his bedroom for three whole years. He just stayed in bed a lot, but not "full time". It's not like he wouldn't come out at all for weeks in a row. He just didn't do a whole lot. That lasted I'd say until 1982, with a brief "comeback" circa 1976-1977.

I'm looking right now to their 1967 album, "Wild Honey", the 1968 "Friends" and the 1969 "20/20" and they all have plenty of written songs credited to Brian and even sung by him. How come? He still kept on recording and writing? Or are they songs written before, during the "Pet Sounds" or "SMiLE" sessions?
From the top of my head:

Smiley Smile: mostly recycled Smile material.
Wild Honey: mostly new material with a couple of Smile bits.
Friends: all new material.
20/20: mix of older recordings (from late 1966 on), and songs recorded without Brian.
Sunflower: all new material except 'Cool Cool Water' (Smile era).
Surf's Up: title track dates back to the Smile days, rest is new material (and a couple of 'Sunflower' leftovers).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 26, 2011, 01:27:38 PM
The Smile box set and Brian's Disney album should arrive in my mailbox this Saturday or Monday.  ;yes
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on October 26, 2011, 04:19:29 PM
Joost, have you ever considered writing a book about the Beach Boys?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 26, 2011, 04:35:05 PM
No, I haven't. There are several well-respected Beach Boys experts/writers (Andrew G. Doe, Jon Stebbins, Peter Ames Carlin, David Leaf, Domenic Priore, Brad Elliott, etc.) who each have written one or more excellent books about the bands. I don't think that there's a whole lot that I could add to the work that they've already done.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 26, 2011, 10:57:17 PM
Hi Joost! How are you? Have you ever heard about the lyric "suck my d*c*" in the song "Catch A Wave?" I read about and heard the song many times but I can barely hear it if you listen closely. At 1:36, of the song "Catch A Wave," you should supposedly hear the lyric.

It goes like this:

So take a lesson from a top-notch surfer boy

(Catch a wave, catch a wave)

Immediately after "catch a wave" is sung the second time by Brian's falsetto vocal during the chorus, at 1:36, Mike would sing the lyric "suck my d*c*" with a low tone in the background. Do you know anything about this Joost? Take care. 

 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 27, 2011, 02:23:45 AM
I hear it...

Catch A Wave - The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGYC5Kyq9U#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 27, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
I hear it...

Catch A Wave - The Beach Boys ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGYC5Kyq9U#[/url])


Hi Hello Goodbye! Its mind blowing isn't it? Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 27, 2011, 11:08:02 PM
That's a very interesting story, BeatlesForever, I would love to hear more of them.

I've got another Beach Boys question, that I've been asking myself without doing any research whatsoever. It's been said that Brian got into depression after he abandoned SMiLE and that he was "locked" in his bedroom for 3 years or so (I think). That means '67 - 70, right?
I'm looking right now to their 1967 album, "Wild Honey", the 1968 "Friends" and the 1969 "20/20" and they all have plenty of written songs credited to Brian and even sung by him. How come? He still kept on recording and writing? Or are they songs written before, during the "Pet Sounds" or "SMiLE" sessions?

Hi 5th Beatle! I'm glad that you enjoyed my meetings with Denny and THE BEACH BOYS! I will tell another soon and just in time for the holidays. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 12:19:12 AM
Its mind blowing isn't it?


Yeah!  I know they would talk and cough during instrumental breaks but I never knew about this!  Mike snuck that one in alright!

I've always liked how Jan and Dean reworked this song the following year into...

Sidewalk Surfin' - Jan and Dean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZDKlydOI0#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 01:11:57 AM
Yeah!  I know they would talk and cough during instrumental breaks but I never knew about this!  Mike snuck that one in alright!

I've always liked how Jan and Dean reworked this song the following year into...

Sidewalk Surfin' - Jan and Dean ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZDKlydOI0#[/url])


I love this song Hello Goodbye!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 02:05:01 AM
I love this song Hello Goodbye!


So do I, BF.  It came out at the height of the skateboard fad in 1964.  I took a piece of plywood and sawed it into the shape of a skateboard and then separated one of my clamp-on rollerskates and nailed each half to opposite ends of the board.

Just like in Back To The Future...

Skateboard Chase Scene - Back to the Future Movie (1985) - HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJ7cq6T3v4#ws)



;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 28, 2011, 06:55:30 AM
It really does sound like he's singing "Suck my d*ck", but I can hardly imagine that he really sang that. A major pop group singing something like that in 1964? It would have been a HUGE scandal if that would have come out at the time.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 28, 2011, 07:25:49 AM
Guess what... He's not singing "Suck my d*ck", but "Every Saturday, boy".

*edit*

Or:
"Now take a lesson from a top-notch surfer boy (get yourself a big board)"
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 02:00:41 PM
It really does sound like he's singing "Suck my d*ck", but I can hardly imagine that he really sang that. A major pop group singing something like that in 1964? It would have been a HUGE scandal if that would have come out at the time.

I listened to it again last night, this time on my stereo system with headphones.  What Mike Love actually says at 1:36 is "Paul is dead."
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 28, 2011, 02:02:08 PM
I listened to it again last night, this time on my stereo system with headphones.  What Mike Love actually says at 1:36 is "Paul is dead."
ha2ha
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 03:49:16 PM
At a press conference in 2009, Mike Love apologized to the public, the press and Paul for that remark...

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2ho8z9j.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 06:15:47 PM
It really does sound like he's singing "Suck my d*ck", but I can hardly imagine that he really sang that. A major pop group singing something like that in 1964? It would have been a HUGE scandal if that would have come out at the time.

Hi Joost! I have to find the URL where I read this, I find it very hard to believe also. In the 1960's, scandals stayed pretty hushed up, look what happened during the Kennedy Assassination. I believe that the band hushed it up in order to avoid having to re-record it again. Whatever it is, its a hidden lyric with a low tone sound in the background that is heard only if you listen to it carefully. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 06:19:30 PM
So do I, BF.  It came out at the height of the skateboard fad in 1964.  I took a piece of plywood and sawed it into the shape of a skateboard and then separated one of my clamp-on rollerskates and nailed each half to opposite ends of the board.

Just like in Back To The Future...

Skateboard Chase Scene - Back to the Future Movie (1985) - HD ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJ7cq6T3v4#ws[/url])

Hi Hello Goodbye! I can tell that you were really into skateboarding in 1964, I was only 3 years old!  ha2ha



;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
Guess what... He's not singing "Suck my d*ck", but "Every Saturday, boy".

*edit*

Or:
"Now take a lesson from a top-notch surfer boy (get yourself a big board)"

 ha2ha I guess that it can be anything Joost! Its anyone's guess!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 06:22:23 PM
I listened to it again last night, this time on my stereo system with headphones.  What Mike Love actually says at 1:36 is "Paul is dead."

 ha2ha So that's how the "Paul Is Dead" rumors started!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 06:24:54 PM
At a press conference in 2009, Mike Love apologized to the public, the press and Paul for that remark...

([url]http://i41.tinypic.com/2ho8z9j.jpg[/url])


 ha2ha   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 09:48:57 PM
Hi Hello Goodbye! I can tell that you were really into skateboarding in 1964, I was only 3 years old!  ha2ha


Yeah, BF, I was.  But I didn't get a real skateboard until Back To The Future came out.  I ran out and bought a Valterra Splatter and slapped a few stickers on it to make it look like Marty's...


(http://i44.tinypic.com/n6o1s.jpg)


(http://i44.tinypic.com/fto9om.jpg)   (http://i44.tinypic.com/2dmio0j.jpg)



Back to the Future - The Power of Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS5c_iuVA08#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 09:52:39 PM
Yeah, BF, I was.  But I didn't get a real skateboard until Back To The Future came out.  I ran out and bought a Valterra Splatter and slapped a few stickers on it to make it look like Marty's...


([url]http://i44.tinypic.com/n6o1s.jpg[/url])


([url]http://i44.tinypic.com/fto9om.jpg[/url])   ([url]http://i44.tinypic.com/2dmio0j.jpg[/url])



Back to the Future - The Power of Love ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS5c_iuVA08#[/url])


I can't tell the difference at all Hello Goodbye! They look like the same exact skateboard.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 09:59:24 PM
The one Michael J. Fox used in the movie had upgraded trucks and wheels.  I took off the rails and front and rear guards like the movie version.

You can see how often I fell.   ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 10:02:57 PM
The one Michael J. Fox used in the movie had upgraded trucks and wheels.  I took off the rails and front and rear guards like the movie version.

You can see how often I fell.   ;D

As the saying goes, the more you fall, the better you get.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
As the saying goes, the more you fall, the better you get.

Right.  As Jan and Dean said: "Don't be afraid to try the newest sport around (bust your buns, bust your buns now)..."



;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
Right.  As Jan and Dean said: "Don't be afraid to try the newest sport around (bust your buns, bust your buns now)..."



;)

 ha2ha Ain't that the truth! I also like the song "Dead Mans Curve" as well as all of the JAN AND DEAN music catalog. R.I.P. Jan Berry, Born 3 April 1941, Died 26 March 2004 at age 62.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 10:18:50 PM
Dead Man's Curve proved very prophetic, I'm afraid.

But on a much lighter note, The Beach Boys and Jan And Dean both performed...

Little Old Lady From Pasadena - Jan & Dean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIiJitXIUKM#)

Beach Boys - (It's The) Little Old Lady From Pasadena (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQMqgSaZZmM#)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 28, 2011, 10:25:49 PM
Dead Man's Curve proved very prophetic, I'm afraid.

But on a much lighter note, The Beach Boys and Jan And Dean both performed...

Little Old Lady From Pasadena - Jan & Dean ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIiJitXIUKM#[/url])

Beach Boys - (It's The) Little Old Lady From Pasadena ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQMqgSaZZmM#[/url])


Yes it did indeed! I love both versions! I wonder how it would have been had JAN AND DEAN recorded an album with THE BEACH BOYS!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
Jan And Dean with instrumental and vocal help by The Beach Boys...

Surfin' - Jan & Dean (with the Beach Boys) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW2Csjods-c#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 28, 2011, 10:45:14 PM
I know Joost can elaborate on their collaboration.

Joost?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 28, 2011, 11:18:21 PM
The Beach Boys played the music and sang backing vocals on Jan & Dean's cover versions of Surfin', Surfin' Safari and Little Deuce Coupe. Brian sang backing vocals on Surf City, Drag City, Dead Man's Curve (the album version, not the hit single version), Ride the Wild Surf, Gonna Hustle You and Vegetables.

Interesting story about Surf City... When Jan & Dean first heard Brian play Surfin' USA, they asked if they could have it. Brian wanted to save it for The Beach Boys, but he didn't want to be unkind and gave them Surf City instead. It went to #1. Murry Wilson was furious at Brian for giving his first #1 composition away.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 28, 2011, 11:22:43 PM
I got Brian's new album 'In the Key of Disney' today. Pretty cool album, better than I expected. The arrangements are really good and classy, and the amazing thing is that at almost 70 years old, Brian's voice sounds better than it has in over 35 years.

My 'Smile' box set should arrive tomorrow. Needless to say I'm VERY excited about that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 29, 2011, 10:25:14 AM
The Beach Boys played the music and sang backing vocals on Jan & Dean's cover versions of Surfin', Surfin' Safari and Little Deuce Coupe. Brian sang backing vocals on Surf City, Drag City, Dead Man's Curve (the album version, not the hit single version), Ride the Wild Surf, Gonna Hustle You and Vegetables.

Interesting story about Surf City... When Jan & Dean first heard Brian play Surfin' USA, they asked if they could have it. Brian wanted to save it for The Beach Boys, but he didn't want to be unkind and gave them Surf City instead. It went to #1. Murry Wilson was furious at Brian for giving his first #1 composition away.

Hi Joost! I did not know (Or remember) that THE BEACH BOYS played the music or sang background backing vocals on JAN AND DEAN'S cover versions of "Surfin'," "Surfin' Safari" and "Little Deuce Coupe," I didn't think that Murry would be that kind and let THE BEACH BOYS help another group.

I do remember Brian giving "Surf City" to JAN AND DEAN which would result in the song becoming a huge Number 1 hit for them which would anger Murry and Nik Venet. Thanks for the info Joost and take care.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 29, 2011, 10:27:15 AM
I got Brian's new album 'In the Key of Disney' today. Pretty cool album, better than I expected. The arrangements are really good and classy, and the amazing thing is that at almost 70 years old, Brian's voice sounds better than it has in over 35 years.

My 'Smile' box set should arrive tomorrow. Needless to say I'm VERY excited about that.

Like I always said Joost, Brian's best is yet to come.

You'll be getting your SMiLE boxset before I will, I want to hear details. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 29, 2011, 03:53:51 PM
Maybe this subject has come up earlier in this thread but in the 1960's, there was an East coast band that called themselves FRANKIE VALLI & THE FOUR SEASONS. This band was supposedly the East Coast's answer to the West Coast's BEACH BOYS. There was even a little rivalry between the two bands for a moment as to which band sounded better as well as who had the best Falsetto vocal between Frankie Valli and Brian Wilson. In my opinion, THE BEACH BOYS sounded better and Brian Wilson had the better smooth soothing Falsetto vocal over Frankie Valli. What do all of you think? Take care.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on October 29, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
In my opinion, THE BEACH BOYS sounded better and Brian Wilson had the better smooth soothing Falsetto vocal over Frankie Valli. What do all of you think? Take care.     
Yeah, Brian's always sounded more natural. Frankie Valli's sounded strained in comparison.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 29, 2011, 05:53:38 PM
Yeah, Brian's always sounded more natural. Frankie Valli's sounded strained in comparison.

You're right In My Life, Franki Valli does strain during his high Falsetto vocal ranges. Brian's Falsetto is smooth and natural.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 29, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
Maybe this subject has come up earlier in this thread but in the 1960's, there was an East coast band that called themselves FRANKIE VALLI & THE FOUR SEASONS. This band was supposedly the East Coast's answer to the West Coast's BEACH BOYS. There was even a little rivalry between the two bands for a moment as to which band sounded better as well as who had the best Falsetto vocal between Frankie Valli and Brian Wilson. In my opinion, THE BEACH BOYS sounded better and Brian Wilson had the better smooth soothing Falsetto vocal over Frankie Valli. What do all of you think? Take care.     

I like The Four Seasons a lot, but The Beach Boys vs The Four Seasons is no contest for the simple reason that The Four Seasons never really progressed. They had cool pop songs but never managed to take it a step further, like The Beach Boys or The Beatles did.

The Beach Boys and The Four Seasons (or really just Frankie Valli, I believe) recorded a song together in the 80s, and I think it's one of the better songs that The Beach Boys did in that decade. It's called 'East Meets West', but I haven't been able to find it on YouTube.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 29, 2011, 06:13:19 PM
You're right In My Life, Franki Valli does strain during his high Falsetto vocal ranges.
I like that though. It does give his voice character and texture, so to say. It's a voice that you'll recognize out of a million.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 29, 2011, 06:16:39 PM
I like The Four Seasons a lot, but The Beach Boys vs The Four Seasons is no contest for the simple reason that The Four Seasons never really progressed. They had cool pop songs but never managed to take it a step further, like The Beach Boys or The Beatles did.

The Beach Boys and The Four Seasons (or really just Frankie Valli, I believe) recorded a song together in the 80s, and I think it's one of the better songs that The Beach Boys did in that decade. It's called 'East Meets West', but I haven't been able to find it on YouTube.

Who has the better Falsetto vocal, Frankie Valli or Brian Wilson? I know who you're going to choose!  ha2ha

I haven't been able to find that song on Youtube either.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 29, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
Like I always said Joost, Brian's best is yet to come.

You'll be getting your SMiLE boxset before I will, I want to hear details. Take care.

I got it today and I felt like a little kid on Christmas Day when I opened it. The box is impressive even before you open it. It's pretty big, surprisingly heavy and the 3D cover looks great. After opening the box I didn't know what I wanted to do first: listen to the "completed" 'Smile' on CD or on vinyl, listen to 'Surf's Up' on 45 rpm, listen to the 'Our Prayer' sessions...

The completed 'Smile' is great. Nice and clear mixes which make you feel like you never want to hear those muddy bootlegs again. Some songs have vocals flown in from demo recordings which sometimes sounds a bit unnatural, but I don't really mind. The "new" version of 'Surf's Up' in excellent. Brian sings the first verse now instead of Carl, but Carl vocals (with a nice somewhat ghostly sound effect) were used to fill up the missing lines, which I think sounds great.

A full disc of 'Heroes and Villains' experiments and a full disc of 'Good Vibrations' variations is a little bit more than I personally can bear, but it's cool to have these discs too for their historical value.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 29, 2011, 06:22:31 PM
Who has the better Falsetto vocal, Frankie Valli or Brian Wilson? I know who you're going to choose!  ha2ha
I don't think I have to answer that question, right? ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 29, 2011, 06:24:46 PM
I don't think I have to answer that question, right? ;)

Hands down, we both choose Brian Wilson!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 30, 2011, 02:00:58 AM
I got it today and I felt like a little kid on Christmas Day when I opened it. The box is impressive even before you open it. It's pretty big, surprisingly heavy and the 3D cover looks great. After opening the box I didn't know what I wanted to do first: listen to the "completed" 'Smile' on CD or on vinyl, listen to 'Surf's Up' on 45 rpm, listen to the 'Our Prayer' sessions...

The completed 'Smile' is great. Nice and clear mixes which make you feel like you never want to hear those muddy bootlegs again. Some songs have vocals flown in from demo recordings which sometimes sounds a bit unnatural, but I don't really mind. The "new" version of 'Surf's Up' in excellent. Brian sings the first verse now instead of Carl, but Carl vocals (with a nice somewhat ghostly sound effect) were used to fill up the missing lines, which I think sounds great.

A full disc of 'Heroes and Villains' experiments and a full disc of 'Good Vibrations' variations is a little bit more than I personally can bear, but it's cool to have these discs too for their historical value.

Hi Joost! How did I miss this?  ha2ha Thanks for the info, I can't wait to get mine! Upon listening to the complete SMiLE boxset, I will be able to compare all of the songs from the boxset to all of the tracks from all of the SMiLE bootlegs that I own.

Have fun on your date. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on October 30, 2011, 10:49:34 PM
Here's one of Denny's biggest moments with THE BEACH BOYS! Enjoy!

"Slip on through" The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHKKwQQcZNE#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on October 31, 2011, 07:18:46 PM

If you want to check out some highlights from the post-'Pet Sounds' era, look for these songs on YouTube or somewhere else:

From 'Friends':
Friends Most brilliant albums have a few specific songs that make it stand out. 'Friends' doesn't. It has an overall warm, rich, soft and gentle mood that makes it stand out. The title track might be the best example of this mood, so if you do have to appoint a standout track, this one's probably it. If the early Beach Boys albums represented a hot summer day that you spend with hot girls on the beach, cruisin' down the boulevard and surfing the waves, than 'Friends' represents a hot summer that you spend lying in your back yard with a cool drink, without a care in the world. Both can be equally pleasant and satisfying, just in an entirely different way.
Wake The World A simple song that carries on in the same mood as the previous one. 'Wake the World' makes simply waking up and going to sleep each day sound like something magical.
Be Here In The Morning Although this song is a strange mix of quasi-Hawaiian sections, castrato vocals and wobbly vocal effects, it still keeps the mood of the previous two songs.


From 'Surf's Up':
Long Promised Road Carl Wilson's first major composition, and probably his best.
Surf's Up Another recycled 'Smile' track. Without a doubt my favorite Beach Boys song after 'God Only Knows'.



I've listened to both "Friends" and "Surf's Up" quite a lot lately and I think they are both pretty good. I agree with you about the first one, it's very layed-back and relaxing album.However, I think it has some weak points, too. I don't like "Anna Lee, The Healer" and "Trancedental Meditation" at all. "Wake the World" seems just dull and boring to me. And why was "Meant For You" so short? It seems like a song with lots of potential.I don't know, the album seems to me a bit of hurried and superficial. However, it was a plenty of wonderful songs. My favourites are "Be Here In The Morning", Brian's "When A Man Needs a Woman" and "Busy Doin' Nothin" and Dennis' "Little Bird".

I like "Surf's Up" as an album more. But I was a little dissapointed when I checked out the album's tracks and I saw that there were no Dennis Wilson tracks there. Carl's "Long Promised Road" is one of my favourite Beach Boys songs right now, and "Feel Flows" is pretty good too. Brian's "Surf's Up" and "Till I Die" are hands down, two of THE best songs ever written, while his other song called "A Day In The Life of a Tree" is weird, but quite interesting and I like it. "Disney Girls" and "Don't Go Near The Water" are good songs, too. Al Jardine's compositions and Mike's one seem to be the album's weakest points, but I don't think they are that bad. I can certainly tolerate all 3. I think it's a different album from their previous "Sunflower", more dark and weird and not as happy, it somehow reminds me of the "Rubber Soul-Revolver" transition.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 31, 2011, 07:56:13 PM
I don't know, the album seems to me a bit of hurried and superficial.
Maybe, but I don't mind. It's an unambitious album that doesn't try too hard (in that sense it's the exact opposite of 'Smile'), but that's what makes it so cool and relaxed. I think it's one of the most pleasant albums I've ever heard.

But I was a little dissapointed when I checked out the album's tracks and I saw that there were no Dennis Wilson tracks there.
The Dennis Wilson songs '4th Of July' and '(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again' were recorded for this album, but Dennis withdrew them after an argument with Carl. Dennis also released a solo single ('Sound of Free' b/w 'Lady') a few months before this album came out.

while his other song called "A Day In The Life of a Tree" is weird, but quite interesting and I like it.
That one's sung by Jack Rieley, their manager at the time. He had no singing experience, but apparently Brian thought that he was the one who sounded most like a dying tree. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on October 31, 2011, 08:10:05 PM
That one's sung by Jack Rieley, their manager at the time. He had no singing experience, but apparently Brian thought that he was the one who sounded most like a dying tree. :)

 ha2ha
All this time I kept on wondering why did they let the manager to sing, when the answer was so obvious. ha2ha
Thanks, I had a good laugh.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 01, 2011, 09:24:23 PM
ha2ha
All this time I kept on wondering why did they let the manager to sing, when the answer was so obvious. ha2ha
Thanks, I had a good laugh.

 ha2ha Jack Rieley was probably the only sober one there at the time.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 01, 2011, 09:45:18 PM
I got it today and I felt like a little kid on Christmas Day when I opened it. The box is impressive even before you open it. It's pretty big, surprisingly heavy and the 3D cover looks great. After opening the box I didn't know what I wanted to do first: listen to the "completed" 'Smile' on CD or on vinyl, listen to 'Surf's Up' on 45 rpm, listen to the 'Our Prayer' sessions...

The completed 'Smile' is great. Nice and clear mixes which make you feel like you never want to hear those muddy bootlegs again. Some songs have vocals flown in from demo recordings which sometimes sounds a bit unnatural, but I don't really mind. The "new" version of 'Surf's Up' in excellent. Brian sings the first verse now instead of Carl, but Carl vocals (with a nice somewhat ghostly sound effect) were used to fill up the missing lines, which I think sounds great.

A full disc of 'Heroes and Villains' experiments and a full disc of 'Good Vibrations' variations is a little bit more than I personally can bear, but it's cool to have these discs too for their historical value.

Hi Joost! I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would be holding a RELEASED copy of SMiLE. AT LAST, AFTER ALL OF THESE DECADES, IT'S FINALLY HERE! I received my SMiLE Boxset today, all I can say upon opening the package and the enclosed contents is WOW! I LOVE the front cover of the box, it really looks incredible! I also love the enclosed 60 page book, the liner notes, the essays, sessionography, original artwork, the 24" X 36" poster, the two 180 Gram Vinyl/LP's  and the two 7" singles. This is one hell of a collection! Most importantly, I am real impressed with the overall sound quality, it sounds the way SMiLE was truly intended to be heard. I have not heard all of the boxset yet, I have only heard CD 1 so far. Upon hearing CD 1, it sounds more like a finished SMiLE album than the bootleg SMiLE albums. I am looking forward to hearing the whole boxset and give my true opinions and views as to what I think of the new SMiLE boxset and how it can be compared to the bootleg SMiLE albums as far as track selection goes. I will be stressing my views and opinions this weekend since there is so much material to listen to. Take care Joost.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 03, 2011, 01:39:56 PM
Joost, can you help me a little here? Is this the "Surf's Up" version from the new-released "SMiLE" or not?

http://picosong.com/TVb/ (http://picosong.com/TVb/)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 03, 2011, 07:10:16 PM
Joost, can you help me a little here? Is this the "Surf's Up" version from the new-released "SMiLE" or not?

[url]http://picosong.com/TVb/[/url] ([url]http://picosong.com/TVb/[/url])

Yes, it is.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 03, 2011, 07:30:12 PM
BeatlesForever, what do you think of the new versions of 'I'm in Great Shape' and 'Barnyard', with the vocals from the "Humble Harv" demo flown in? At first hearing I though it was kind of cool, but after having heard the album about a dozen times now I think they're a bit of a stain on the album. Brian was such a perfectionist while he was working on 'Smile', every single note had to sound and feel absolutely perfect. I think it completely goes against his original vision that they used such raw live vocals on the album. I think it would have been better if they had just left these songs instrumental.

And what do you think of the new version of 'Surf's Up'? I think the 1971 version is just perfect and can't really be improved, but for historical reasons I understand why they replaced Carl's 1971 vocal with a 1967 vocal by Brian. I think I like this version just as much. The ghostly "Bygone, bygone" and "Canvas the town and brush the backdrop" parts by Carl are a nice touch (and of course an essential one, since Brian simply didn't record these lines in 1967).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 03, 2011, 09:06:17 PM
BeatlesForever, what do you think of the new versions of 'I'm in Great Shape' and 'Barnyard', with the vocals from the "Humble Harv" demo flown in? At first hearing I though it was kind of cool, but after having heard the album about a dozen times now I think they're a bit of a stain on the album. Brian was such a perfectionist while he was working on 'Smile', every single note had to sound and feel absolutely perfect. I think it completely goes against his original vision that they used such raw live vocals on the album. I think it would have been better if they had just left these songs instrumental.

And what do you think of the new version of 'Surf's Up'? I think the 1971 version is just perfect and can't really be improved, but for historical reasons I understand why they replaced Carl's 1971 vocal with a 1967 vocal by Brian. I think I like this version just as much. The ghostly "Bygone, bygone" and "Canvas the town and brush the backdrop" parts by Carl are a nice touch (and of course an essential one, since Brian simply didn't record these lines in 1967).

Hi Joost! How are you? Here's where all of my SMiLE bootlegs come in handy. In my opinion, many different takes were spliced together in order to construct a more "nearly completed" SMiLE album. I also believe that "I'm In Great Shape" and "Barnyard" were never completed in its entirety seeing that they were originally to be used as part of another song or section that was never completed. On two of my SMiLE bootlegs, there are some takes containing vocals only for "Barnyard." I do agree with you Joost, "Barnyard" should have been left as an instrumental only. Overall, I'm just thankful that we have SMiLE to listen to and appreciate.   

WOW, I love the new version of "Surf's Up!" No disrespect to the late great Carl Wilson but "Surf's Up" sounds better with Brian's falsetto. That's the way it was meant to be. Carl should have never replaced Brian's falsetto with his own for the 1971 version. I do love the 1971 version very much but Brian's smooth falsetto gives "Surf's Up" the life that is needed to make the song.

What do you think of "Child Is Father Of The Man?" The take containing Brian's beginning "Child" falsetto vocal was spiced together with the rest of the song. I love the harmonies duing the chorus, it does give the song a new life. On my SMiLE bootlegs, I do have some takes containing just the instrumental music only without the harmonies.

I LOVE "Wind Chimes" and "The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow)," they sound so much better in the new SMiLE boxset. "Fire" sounds so much better now than it ever did on the SMiLE bootlegs. You can really hear all of the sounds better now than the hidden sounds in the SMiLE bootlegs. Take care Joost.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 03, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
I'm listening right now to the whole album. In case you haven't already seen this :

The Beach Boys SMiLE Sessions - Heroes and Villains Music Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptxwWt2JeGQ#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 03, 2011, 09:20:26 PM
I'm listening right now to the whole album. In case you haven't already seen this :

The Beach Boys SMiLE Sessions - Heroes and Villains Music Video ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptxwWt2JeGQ#ws[/url])


Hi 5th Beatle! Thanks for posting this video, I LOVE IT! This video can actually be added to THE BEATLES Yellow Submarine cartoon. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 16, 2011, 06:01:48 PM
I just watched "Dennis Wilson : The Real Beach Boy". Great documentary, though it got very very sad near the end...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 16, 2011, 06:07:02 PM
I just watched "Dennis Wilson : The Real Beach Boy". Great documentary, though it got very very sad near the end...

Hi 5th Beatle! How are you? Thank you for your input, I am looking forward to seeing this documentary soon. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 16, 2011, 06:13:06 PM
Hi 5th Beatle! How are you? Thank you for your input, I am looking forward to seeing this documentary soon. Take care.

Doing fine, thanks for asking. It's a worth watching documentary though I was expecting more interviews and more input from actual Beach Boys members about Dennis. However, one thing that I did liked very much was one of those guys (can't remember exactly who) saying that when Dennis sang the words from his songs, you actually believed them (or him). It is so true, that one, espacially in "Forever".

You take care, too.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 16, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
Doing fine, thanks for asking. It's a worth watching documentary though I was expecting more interviews and more input from actual Beach Boys members about Dennis. However, one thing that I did liked very much was one of those guys (can't remember exactly who) saying that when Dennis sang the words from his songs, you actually believed them (or him). It is so true, that one, espacially in "Forever".

You take care, too.

As I have mentioned here on THE BEACH BOYS' thread, I knew and partied with Denny the last two years of his life. For myself personally, it was an honor and a priviledge knowing him. I was so lucky that I met him when I did, Denny may have had his moments like we all do, but he really had a heart of gold. Denny gave away money like he was giving out candy on Halloween. He would give money to his family, friends and complete strangers such as I when I met him in 1981 and never asked for it back. Denny moved one way, full speed ahead, he never knew how to slow down. Thinking about it now, Denny was never meant to grow old, not at the rate he was living. When Denny sang, he sang with feeling and emotion. I used to love hearing him sing by himself when he was playing the piano. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 16, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
The Beach Boys. My #1 favorite band of all time.
Pet Sounds. My #1 favorite album of all time
'Wouldn't It Be Nice'. My #1 favorite song in the entire universe. ('Strawberry Fields Forever' is just #3.)

I really got into them when I was 19 (back in '99) when I discovered Pet Sounds.
For me, Brian Wilson is the epitome of heart and genius in pop music. (Well, and John. :) )

I really dunno what else to say...except that Brian Wilson is my God, Pet Sounds my Bible, 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' my favorite verse, and I guess John Lennon is Jesus.  roll:)

Most people I think would find it hard to believe that someone would love the Beach Boys more than the Beatles (ranked 2nd on my list) but their music is just pure, emotional joy for me. I was a big time, gung-ho music fan before Pet Sounds and the Beach Boys. After, I became what I am now: a Music Geek. I cannot (or don't want to) live without it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 16, 2011, 08:33:44 PM
Most people I think would find it hard to believe that someone would love the Beach Boys more than the Beatles (ranked 2nd on my list) but their music is just pure, emotional joy for me.

Not that hard to believe. :) A few occasions where The Beatles were beaten by The Beach Boys:

New Music Express (NME) end of year readers poll for band of the year: The Beach Boys #1
Best selling single of the year in The Netherlands in 1966: Sloop John B #1
Most perfect pop song ever made, survey under 85 famous Dutch pop musicians by Aloha magazine: God Only Knows #1
All time best single, survey under artists, producers and music industry figures by Mojo magazine: Good Vibrations #1
All time best album, survey under Mojo magazine writers & staff: Pet Sounds #1
All time best album, survey under NME magazine writers: Pet Sounds #1
All time best album, The Times survey: Pet Sounds #1
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 16, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
The Beach Boys. My #1 favorite band of all time.
Pet Sounds. My #1 favorite album of all time
'Wouldn't It Be Nice'. My #1 favorite song in the entire universe. ('Strawberry Fields Forever' is just #3.)

I really got into them when I was 19 (back in '99) when I discovered Pet Sounds.
For me, Brian Wilson is the epitome of heart and genius in pop music. (Well, and John. :) )

I really dunno what else to say...except that Brian Wilson is my God, Pet Sounds my Bible, 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' my favorite verse, and I guess John Lennon is Jesus.  roll:)

Most people I think would find it hard to believe that someone would love the Beach Boys more than the Beatles (ranked 2nd on my list) but their music is just pure, emotional joy for me. I was a big time, gung-ho music fan before Pet Sounds and the Beach Boys. After, I became what I am now: a Music Geek. I cannot (or don't want to) live without it.

Hi Strawberry Field! How are you? There's nothing wrong with choosing THE BEACH BOYS over THE BEATLES as your favorite band. I know people that prefer THE BEACH BOYS over THE BEATLES and that's okay, that's what makes the world go round. In 1966, THE BEACH BOYS were the ONLY band that topped THE BEATLES. PET SOUNDS is in my top 5 all-time greatest albums ever! Strawberry Field, what do you think of the newly released SMiLE SESSIONS Boxset? Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 16, 2011, 08:57:45 PM
Not that hard to believe. :) A few occasions where The Beatles were beaten by The Beach Boys:

New Music Express (NME) end of year readers poll for band of the year: The Beach Boys #1
Best selling single of the year in The Netherlands in 1966: Sloop John B #1
Most perfect pop song ever made, survey under 85 famous Dutch pop musicians by Aloha magazine: God Only Knows #1
All time best single, survey under artists, producers and music industry figures by Mojo magazine: Good Vibrations #1
All time best album, survey under Mojo magazine writers & staff: Pet Sounds #1
All time best album, survey under NME magazine writers: Pet Sounds #1
All time best album, The Times survey: Pet Sounds #1

Hi Joost, my BEACH BOYS buddy! How's it going in The Netherlands? You know your BEACH BOYS history well Joost! I was wondering, when did you become a devout diehard BEACH BOYS fan? Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 16, 2011, 09:07:09 PM
Hi Strawberry Field! How are you? There's nothing wrong with choosing THE BEACH BOYS over THE BEATLES as your favorite band. I know people that prefer THE BEACH BOYS over THE BEATLES and that's okay, that's what makes the world go round. In 1966, THE BEACH BOYS were the ONLY band that topped THE BEATLES. PET SOUNDS is in my top 5 all-time greatest albums ever! Strawberry Field, what do you think of the newly released SMiLE SESSIONS Boxset? Take care.

I don't own the SMiLE box yet, but I have heard all the music from it before, many times. So I know what I'm getting and I'm looking forward to buying it in the future. I still think Pet Sounds is better though.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 16, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
I don't own the SMiLE box yet, but I have heard all the music from it before, many times. So I know what I'm getting and I'm looking forward to buying it in the future. I still think Pet Sounds is better though.

That's cool Strawberry Field, I know people that prefer PET SOUNDS over SMiLE. Either way, they're both outstanding albums! As for me personally, I prefer SMiLE over PET SOUNDS but only by a speck of dust. The reason for this is because SMiLE was more artistic and more experimental than PET SOUNDS. Brian really wanted to do better than PET SOUNDS and "Good Vibrations" on a higher musical and technological level, I really believe he succeeded with SMiLE. As Brian has said so many times in 1966, SMiLE was to be a TEENAGE SYMPHONY TO GOD! Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 16, 2011, 10:29:40 PM
Hi Joost, my BEACH BOYS buddy! How's it going in The Netherlands? You know your BEACH BOYS history well Joost! I was wondering, when did you become a devout diehard BEACH BOYS fan? Take care.

In 2004. I was a big Beatles fan and a friend of mine, the drummer of the band I was in at the time, was a big Beach Boys fan. We'd often have discussions about which band was better. I knew most of the big Beach Boys hits and I liked them, but the idea that they were better than The Beatles seemed pretty rediculous to me. 'Fun Fun Fun', 'Surfin' USA' and 'Help Me Rhonda' better than 'Strawberry Fields Forever', 'Penny Lane' and 'I Am The Walrus'? No way! Then my friend said that I should check out 'Pet Sounds' and 'Sunflower', which I did. A few days later I told him he'd been right: The Beach Boys were better. Within a few months I had all their albums on CD and I've been a somewhat obsessed fan ever since.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 16, 2011, 10:34:16 PM
Oh, and in case it still wasn't obvious that I'm a fan, these are on my arms. :)

The sun from the 'Brian Wilson Presents Smile' album cover and the first notes of 'God Only Knows' (copied from a hand-written note by Brian):
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/BiscuitPower/GOKSmile-1.jpg)

The bee from the 'Wild Honey' album cover:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/BiscuitPower/BijKlein.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 16, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
In 2004. I was a big Beatles fan and a friend of mine, the drummer of the band I was in at the time, was a big Beach Boys fan. We'd often have discussions about which band was better. I knew most of the big Beach Boys hits and I liked them, but the idea that they were better than The Beatles seemed pretty rediculous to me. 'Fun Fun Fun', 'Surfin' USA' and 'Help Me Rhonda' better than 'Strawberry Fields Forever', 'Penny Lane' and 'I Am The Walrus'? No way! Then my friend said that I should check out 'Pet Sounds' and 'Sunflower', which I did. A few days later I told him he'd been right: The Beach Boys were better. Within a few months I had all their albums on CD and I've been a somewhat obsessed fan ever since.

WOW, 2004 was the year that Brian's SMiLE was released. Thats a cool story Joost, thanks for sharing it with us. Have you ever read the 2007 book entitled BEACH BOYS VS. BEATLEMANIA: REDISCOVERING SIXTIES MUSIC by G. A. De Forest? If you have, what do you think of this book? This is a very interesting book that you might want to share and discuss with your friend. Take care.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 17, 2011, 12:28:50 AM
Oh, and in case it still wasn't obvious that I'm a fan, these are on my arms. :)

The sun from the 'Brian Wilson Presents Smile' album cover and the first notes of 'God Only Knows' (copied from a hand-written note by Brian):
([url]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/BiscuitPower/GOKSmile-1.jpg[/url])

The bee from the 'Wild Honey' album cover:
([url]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/BiscuitPower/BijKlein.jpg[/url])


Cool tattoos Joost!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 17, 2011, 08:37:21 PM
Oh, and in case it still wasn't obvious that I'm a fan, these are on my arms. :)

The sun from the 'Brian Wilson Presents Smile' album cover and the first notes of 'God Only Knows' (copied from a hand-written note by Brian):
([url]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/BiscuitPower/GOKSmile-1.jpg[/url])

The bee from the 'Wild Honey' album cover:
([url]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/BiscuitPower/BijKlein.jpg[/url])


I like them a lot, especially the first one.

A question for you Joost and for every Beach Boys fans around : What is your favourite Beach Boy besides Brian? And to which of them can you relate the most?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 17, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
A question for you Joost and for every Beach Boys fans around : What is your favourite Beach Boy besides Brian? And to which of them can you relate the most?

Musically Dennis, but Carl as a person.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 17, 2011, 09:38:09 PM
I like them a lot, especially the first one.

A question for you Joost and for every Beach Boys fans around : What is your favourite Beach Boy besides Brian? And to which of them can you relate the most?

Hi 5th Beatle! For me personally, its Denny! I can relate to Denny so much, I guess you can say that I'm crazy just like him.  ha2ha Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 18, 2011, 01:06:10 AM
Favorite Beach Boy besides Brian? I'd say Carl. I love his voice. He could sing anything and make it beautiful. I love Dennis too, great, underrated songwriter - 'Forever', 'Be With Me', 'Cuddle Up', especially 'Baby Blue', and others, are just wonderful songs.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 18, 2011, 03:24:41 AM
Favorite Beach Boy besides Brian? I'd say Carl. I love his voice. He could sing anything and make it beautiful. I love Dennis too, great, underrated songwriter - 'Forever', 'Be With Me', 'Cuddle Up', especially 'Baby Blue', and others, are just wonderful songs.

In my opinion, Carl had one of the most beautifully crafted angelic voices music ever produced.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 18, 2011, 02:30:40 PM
In my opinion, Carl had one of the most beautifully crafted angelic voices music ever produced.


Yes and how come he never ever lost it unlike his brothers?

The Beach Boys-God Only Knows at Harbor Lights-Boston 1996 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLmoISRwJBA#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 18, 2011, 03:09:32 PM
Yes and how come he never ever lost it unlike his brothers?

Less drugs and cigarettes. Plus Dennis never had a sweet, pure voice to begin with. It was always rough. But I liked his voice that way..
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 18, 2011, 03:14:49 PM
Yes and how come he never ever lost it unlike his brothers?

The Beach Boys-God Only Knows at Harbor Lights-Boston 1996 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLmoISRwJBA#ws[/url])


Evidently, Carl took care of his voice more than his Brothers did. There was a reason why Denny lost his voice in the early 1980's, I'll explain it in the next post.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 18, 2011, 03:24:14 PM
Less drugs and cigarettes. Plus Dennis never had a sweet, pure voice to begin with. It was always rough. But I liked his voice that way..

Denny did have a rough soulful voice but it sounded great. However, when Denny got into a fight with Mike Love's two Brothers in the early 1980's over his relationship with Mike's daughter Shawn (Which was Denny's 2nd Cousin) and having a son named Gage, he would have his vocal cords damaged as a result of being punched where the adam's apple is at on his neck. After this incident happened, Denny's limp would get worse and he would have a crack in his voice till the day he died.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 18, 2011, 03:29:26 PM
Less drugs and cigarettes.

Not entirely true. Carl was a heavy smoker for most of his life (he once estimated that he probably smoked about a quarter million cigarettes in his life) and he was also addicted to drugs and alcohol for some time. Dennis's voice was, as BeatlesForever already mentioned, damaged by a punch in the throat, Brian's by extremely heavy smoking (about five packs a day).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 18, 2011, 04:08:15 PM
Not entirely true. Carl was a heavy smoker for most of his life (he once estimated that he probably smoked about a quarter million cigarettes in his life) and he was also addicted to drugs and alcohol for some time. Dennis's voice was, as BeatlesForever already mentioned, damaged by a punch in the throat, Brian's by extremely heavy smoking (about five packs a day).

Well, yes, Carl smoked, but I'd argue he didn't wreck himself on drugs quite the way Brian and Dennis did. Cocaine is the drug that messes up your voice and Brian and Dennis were deep into that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 18, 2011, 08:39:47 PM
Well, yes, Carl smoked, but I'd argue he didn't wreck himself on drugs quite the way Brian and Dennis did. Cocaine is the drug that messes up your voice and Brian and Dennis were deep into that.

Yeah, the drugs probably didn't help. Mike, Bruce and Al were never heavy drinkers or drug users and their voices are still fine. Especially Al's, he still sounds pretty much the same as he did 40 years ago.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 19, 2011, 01:02:40 AM
Well, yes, Carl smoked, but I'd argue he didn't wreck himself on drugs quite the way Brian and Dennis did. Cocaine is the drug that messes up your voice and Brian and Dennis were deep into that.

Denny was also into heroin besides cocaine, I can attest to that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 20, 2011, 12:33:00 AM
Hi Joost! I called Musicdirect today, a music company based in Chicago, Illinois U.S.A. that owns Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL), and I was told that the MFSL version of THE BEACH BOYS' PET SOUNDS album should be released sometime next month. I'll keep you informed Joost, take care.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 20, 2011, 08:29:17 PM
Thanks for the information! But since I'm not an audiophile at all, I think I'll just leave it at the five copies of Pet Sounds that I already have. ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 20, 2011, 10:02:26 PM
Thanks for the information! But since I'm not an audiophile at all, I think I'll just leave it at the five copies of Pet Sounds that I already have. ;)

That's cool Joost, I can't wait to receive the MFSL version. I really do believe that the MFSL version is going to contain the best overall sound quality of PET SOUNDS ever! Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 22, 2011, 04:04:13 AM
Here's one from THE BEACH BOYS!

The Beach Boys - Good To My Baby true stereo mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-H4yycSvi4#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 27, 2011, 01:38:51 PM
Hey Joost, can you please tell me what's that instrument at the beggining of "Wouldn't It Be Nice"? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 27, 2011, 04:03:24 PM
Hey Joost, can you please tell me what's that instrument at the beggining of "Wouldn't It Be Nice"? Thanks in advance.

I'm not Joost, but I do know a frickin' lot about my favorite band, the Beach Boys - and 'Wouldn't It Be Nice', my favorite song.
As I recall, many instrument experts have said that it was a Vox mando guitar.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 27, 2011, 04:19:36 PM
I'm not Joost, but I do know a frickin' lot about my favorite band, the Beach Boys - and 'Wouldn't It Be Nice', my favorite song.
As I recall, many instrument experts have said that it was a Vox mando guitar.


No offence was intented, Strawberry Field, it was just the fact that I was used to ask Joost wheneaver I had a question about The Beach Boys. I read your other posts and you indeed mentioned before "Wouldn't It Be Nice" as your favourite song.  :)

Thanks for the info. I've too read a few online debates about that and there were a few people whose answer was the same as yours.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 27, 2011, 04:41:47 PM

No offence was intented, Strawberry Field, it was just the fact that I was used to ask Joost wheneaver I had a question about The Beach Boys. I read your other posts and you indeed mentioned before "Wouldn't It Be Nice" as your favourite song.  :)

Thanks for the info. I've too read a few online debates about that and there were a few people whose answer was the same as yours.


Huh? No offense taken! I was just sayin' that I know a lot about the Beach Boys. I'm kinda obsessed. And admittedly I do say very often that WIBN is my favorite song, whenever it's brought up.  roll:)

Also, I thought I'd post some BBs classics - things I really really love.
This first one is my 2nd favorite BBs song:
The Beach Boys - Let Him Run Wild (with lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=culLp1w6GSk#)

The Warmth Of The Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_TcWUslfvE#)

The Beach Boys - Time to Get Alone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcZUHSjgQ3E#)

The Beach Boys - Our Sweet Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vRuRg_LTo#)

The Beach Boys - The Night Was So Young (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5yWU95Sp4g#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 27, 2011, 04:53:18 PM
Hey Joost, can you please tell me what's that instrument at the beggining of "Wouldn't It Be Nice"? Thanks in advance.

Nobody seems to know for sure, that's one of the "unsolved Beach Boys mysteries". What's (pretty much) certain is that it's two instruments being played in unison and that both must have been guitar-like, because they were played by session musicians who were primarily guitarists. The best guess it that it's either two (12-string) electric guitars played high on the neck, or that one of the two was either an electric mandolin or some kind of guitar/mandolin hybrid (indeed, the Vox mando guitar is often mentioned as a possibility).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 27, 2011, 09:55:45 PM
Since we've got quite some Beach Boys fans here now, how about a survey?

1. Top 5 songs?

2. Least favorite song?

3. Top 5 albums?

4. Least favorite album?

5. Top 5 solo albums?

6. Least favorite solo album?

7. Rank the Beach Boys members from favorite to least favorite.

8. Rank the time periods from favorite to least favorite:
A) The sun & fun years: 1961-1965
B) Pet Sounds & Smile: 1966-1967
C) The wilderness years: 1967-1973
D) Creative decline: 1976-1996
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 27, 2011, 10:07:52 PM
1. Top 5 songs?
1. God Only Knows
2. Surf's Up
3. This Whole World
4. Time To Get Alone
5. Forever

2. Least favorite song?
Summer Of Love

3. Top 5 albums?
1. Sunflower
2. Pet Sounds
3. Smile
4. Friends
5. Today!

4. Least favorite album?
Summer In Paradise

5. Top 5 solo albums?
1. Brian Wilson Presents Smile (Brian)
2. That Lucky Old Sun (Brian)
3. Imagination (Brian)
4. Brian Wilson (Brian)
5. Pacific Ocean Blue (Dennis)

6. Least favorite solo album?
Looking Back With Love (Mike)

7. Rank the Beach Boys members from favorite to least favorite.
1. Brian, 2. Carl, 3. Dennis, 4. Al, 5. Bruce, 6. Mike

8. Rank the time periods from favorite to least favorite.
1. Wilderness years, 2. Pet Sounds & Smile, 3. Sun & fun, 4. Creative decline
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on November 27, 2011, 11:31:32 PM
1. Top 5 songs?
1. Wouldn't It Be Nice
2. Let Him Run Wild
3. The Warmth of the Sun
4. God Only Knows
5. Time To Get Alone

2. Least favorite song?
Hey Little Tomboy

3. Top 5 albums?
1. Pet Sounds
2. Today!
3. Sunflower
4. Wild Honey
5. Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!)
(I'm not counting SMiLE...)

4. Least favorite album?
Summer In Paradise

5. Top 5 solo albums?
1. Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE
2. That Lucky Old Sun
3. Brian Wilson
4. Orange Crate Art (if it counts)
5. Pacific Ocean Blue

6. Least favorite solo album?
of the ones I have heard, probably Gettin' In Over My Head -
I've never heard Carl, Mike, Bruce or Al's solo albums.

7. Rank the Beach Boys members from favorite to least favorite.
1. Brian 2. Carl 3. Dennis 4. Al 5. Bruce 6. Mike

8. Rank the time periods from favorite to least favorite.
1. Pet Sounds & Smile, 2. Sun & Fun 3. Wilderness years, 5. Creative decline
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 28, 2011, 12:49:30 PM
1. Top 5 songs?
1.Surf's Up
2.I'm Waiting For The Day
3.Good Vibrations
4.Forever
5.Good Time/Long Promised Road/'Til I Die (I really can't decide)

2. Least favorite song?
Summer Of Love

3. Top 5 albums?
01.Pet Sounds
02.SMiLE
03.Sunflower
04.Today!
05.Surf's Up

4. Least favorite album?
I haven't heard yet any album from them that I don't like.

5. Top 5 solo albums?
01.Brian Wilson presents SMiLE
02.That Lucky Old Sun
03.Pacific Ocean Blues (though I've only listened to it about 2 times)
(the only ones I've heard)

6. Least favorite solo album?
Haven't heard enough.

7. Rank the Beach Boys members from favorite to least favorite.
01.Brian
02.Dennis
03.Carl
04.Bruce
05.Al
06.Mike

8. Rank the time periods from favorite to least favorite.
01.Pet Sounds & Smile
02.Wilderness years
03.Sun & Fun
04.Creative decline

Thanks, that was fun.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 29, 2011, 09:24:34 PM
Good selections everyone! I'm going to have to think hard on this one, I'll post my opinions soon. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 30, 2011, 04:09:39 AM
Its time for another BEACH BOYS tune!

The Beach Boys - All I Want To Do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsLk6W_9m-0#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 30, 2011, 07:52:14 AM
Its time for another BEACH BOYS tune!

The Beach Boys - All I Want To Do ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsLk6W_9m-0#[/url])


Listen closely to the fade from some, well, "backing vocals" by Dennis and a "hired female vocalist" (yes, it actually is what it sounds like - engineer Stephen Desper confirmed it).

This is one of my least favorite Beach Boys songs by the way. I haven't heard it in years because I always skip it when I listen to '20/20'. I prefer this almost identically titled song:

The Beach Boys - All I Wanna Do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_LX-m74uw#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 30, 2011, 09:27:48 PM
Listen closely to the fade from some, well, "backing vocals" by Dennis and a "hired female vocalist" (yes, it actually is what it sounds like - engineer Stephen Desper confirmed it).

This is one of my least favorite Beach Boys songs by the way. I haven't heard it in years because I always skip it when I listen to '20/20'. I prefer this almost identically titled song:

The Beach Boys - All I Wanna Do ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_LX-m74uw#[/url])


 ha2ha Hi Joost! How are ya? Why is it that it doesn't surprise me that the fast version of "All I Want To Do" is one of your least favorite BEACH BOYS songs?  ha2ha On a serious note, there are some musical similarities on both the fast "All I Want To Do" and the slower "All I Wanna Do" versions. Even the song titles are closely similar.

As for Denny and the hired female vocalist, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a hired hooker by Denny and was humping her during the session. Take care Joost.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 30, 2011, 10:37:42 PM
As for Denny and the hired female vocalist, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a hired hooker by Denny and was humping her during the session.

That's exactly what happened. :)

And I do listen to a whole lot of "fast" music, but it's just not what I want to hear from The Beach Boys. It just wasn't their thing. Almost every time The Beach Boys tried to rock (All I Want To Do, Bluebirds Over The Mountain, Student Demonstration Time, etc.), it just sounds wrong to me. They should've left the rocking to bands that were better at it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 30, 2011, 11:11:46 PM
Good news:

Rumors are that it will be announced today that The Beach Boys including Brian Wilson will be performing at the Grammy Awards ceremony. If it'll happen, it'll be Brian's first live performance with The Beach Boys in almost 16 years.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 30, 2011, 11:13:08 PM
That's exactly what happened. :)

And I do listen to a whole lot of "fast" music, but it's just not what I want to hear from The Beach Boys. It just wasn't their thing. Almost every time The Beach Boys tried to rock (All I Want To Do, Bluebirds Over The Mountain, Student Demonstration Time, etc.), it just sounds wrong to me. They should've left the rocking to bands that were better at it.

I must confess Joost, I never thought about it from your point of view, however, thinking about it, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I have always loved THE BEACH BOYS' music whether it was fast or slow depending on how good the beat and mood is. Take care.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 30, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Good news:

Rumors are that it will be announced today that The Beach Boys including Brian Wilson will be performing at the Grammy Awards ceremony. If it'll happen, it'll be Brian's first live performance with The Beach Boys in almost 16 years.

Thanks for posting this Joost, I heard about it also. I just hope that Mike and Brian will get along better this time. Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 30, 2011, 11:38:16 PM
Thanks for posting this Joost, I heard about it also. I just hope that Mike and Brian will get along better this time. Take care.

Brian and Mike have known each other for almost 70 years, they're family, they grew up together, they went through extreme highs and lows together and they're two of the last three surviving protagonists in one of the greatest stories in pop music history... If you would put them in a room together, without their lawyer and managers, I'm sure they'd get along just fine.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on November 30, 2011, 11:48:19 PM
Brian and Mike have known each other for almost 70 years, they're family, they grew up together, they went through extreme highs and lows together and they're two of the last three surviving protagonists in one of the greatest stories in pop music history... If you would put them in a room together, without their lawyer and managers, I'm sure they'd get along just fine.

In reality Joost, Brian does not think very highly of Mike at all! I don't blame Brian either, Brian has told me things about Mike that are not in books. I figure, I will let Brian tell the stories when the time is right. You are right Joost, the Lawyers and Managers do play a very big part in the breakdown communication between Brian and mike as well as the whole BEACH BOYS story, but Brian and Mike were having their problems before THE BEACH BOYS became famous.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on December 01, 2011, 12:22:24 AM
That's exactly what happened. :)

And I do listen to a whole lot of "fast" music, but it's just not what I want to hear from The Beach Boys. It just wasn't their thing. Almost every time The Beach Boys tried to rock (All I Want To Do, Bluebirds Over The Mountain, Student Demonstration Time, etc.), it just sounds wrong to me. They should've left the rocking to bands that were better at it.

I myself am not a big fan of 'Student Demonstration Time' either, though I like 'All I Want To Do' and 'Bluebirds Over The Mountain' okay. Honestly, the best "fast" BBs songs are their earlier records, ie 'I Get Around', 'Surfin' USA' and 'Fun, Fun, Fun'. At some point they stopped doing really good rockers. 'Darlin'' and 'Do It Again' are sublime exceptions.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 01, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
I myself am not a big fan of 'Student Demonstration Time' either, though I like 'All I Want To Do' and 'Bluebirds Over The Mountain' okay. Honestly, the best "fast" BBs songs are their earlier records, ie 'I Get Around', 'Surfin' USA' and 'Fun, Fun, Fun'. At some point they stopped doing really good rockers. 'Darlin'' and 'Do It Again' are sublime exceptions.

Hi Strawberry Field! How are you? I love all of the songs that you mentioned. How do you feel about the early Surf Rocker "Good To My Baby?" I LOVE THAT SONG! Take care.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on December 01, 2011, 12:58:29 AM
Hi Strawberry Field! How are you? I love all of the songs that you mentioned. How do you feel about the early Surf Rocker "Good To My Baby?" I LOVE THAT SONG! Take care.


I really like that song. Side 1 of the Today! is underrated, that song particularly.
'Dance, Dance, Dance' is really awesome too.
And sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who really loves 'In The Parking Lot' -
Beach Boys - In the Parking Lot.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CWHbV4d7BI#)

...and 'Keep An Eye On Summer' -
The Beach Boys - Keep An Eye On Summer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmWdFRw0a0#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 01, 2011, 07:43:10 AM
I myself am not a big fan of 'Student Demonstration Time' either, though I like 'All I Want To Do' and 'Bluebirds Over The Mountain' okay. Honestly, the best "fast" BBs songs are their earlier records, ie 'I Get Around', 'Surfin' USA' and 'Fun, Fun, Fun'. At some point they stopped doing really good rockers. 'Darlin'' and 'Do It Again' are sublime exceptions.

"Fast" was probably the wrong word, songs like 'I Get Around', ' Surfin' USA' and 'Fun, Fun, Fun' are indeed great. I was aiming more at the rawer and louder songs.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 01, 2011, 09:00:02 PM
Here's one of my most favorite BEACH BOYS love songs!

Kiss Me Baby - The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzAHc0NrpS0#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 02, 2011, 12:10:44 AM
Here's a Christmas song by THE BEACH BOYS!

Little Saint Nick/The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyFLV-vDMMU#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on December 04, 2011, 04:16:22 AM
Happy birthday to Dennis (the cutest one  ;D)! December 4, 1944
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 04, 2011, 04:18:22 AM
Happy birthday to Dennis (the cutest one  ;D)! December 4, 1944

He was also one of my most dearest friends too! Happy "B" Day Denny!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 16, 2011, 11:08:19 PM
My mouth literally fell open when I saw this.
The Beach Boys Announce 50th Anniversary Reunion, New Album and Tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS2orIE2QUQ#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 16, 2011, 11:16:29 PM
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THE BEACH BOYS ANNOUNCE 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION, NEW ALBUM AND TOUR

Legendary Band’s Golden Anniversary CELEBRATION to Include a New Capitol Album

And Commemorative Catalog Releases, a Major International Tour and More!

Hollywood, California – December 16, 2011 – The founding members of The Beach Boys, one of the world’s most legendary bands in popular music history, will reunite for a global 50th Anniversary CELEBRATION in 2012.  Beach Boys Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, and David Marks will come together for a new studio album and commemorative catalog releases with Capitol/EMI and a 50-date international tour to begin in April with a headlining performance at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival (“Jazz Fest”) as well as other exciting events to be announced.

Brian Wilson says, “This anniversary is special to me because I miss the boys and it will be a thrill for me to make a new record and be on stage with them again.”

Mike Love says, "We got together at Capitol Records and re-recorded ‘Do It Again.’  Brian and I wrote that song which went to number 1 in Great Britain, Australia and elsewhere some 44 years ago.  Brian paid me a compliment saying, ‘How can a guy sound that great so many years later?’  Later on, while working out some harmonies on a new song Brian had written, I got a chance to return the compliment.  It was a thrill to be around a piano again with Brian, Alan and Bruce and experience firsthand the brilliance of Cousin Brian's gift for vocal arrangements.  I am very much looking forward to David Marks joining us and thrilling with his surf guitar licks.  Music has been the unifying and harmonizing fact of life in our family since childhood.  It has been a huge blessing that we have been able to share with the world.  Wouldn't It Be Nice to Do It Again?  Absolutely!”

Al Jardine says, “The Beach Boys were recently inducted into the California Hall of Fame. From our humble beginnings as brothers, cousins and friends, we have been honored to sing the praises of California, and I'm really excited for our fans to be able to see us again in concert on the world stage, and to celebrate our 50th anniversary together with a new studio album.”

Bruce Johnston says, "I will be looking forward to singing Brian Wilson's melodies and Mike Love's lyrics once again in concert with many of the original band members, but imagine what we all could come up with vocally in a recording studio atmosphere under Brian's musical direction."

David Marks says, "I'm really looking forward to celebrating this important milestone in The Beach Boys’ history with the other guys, and with Capitol Records - where it all began 50 years ago. It means a lot to me that we can all reunite and pay tribute to the fans who have kept the music alive."

The Beach Boys have already recorded several songs for their new album, to be released in 2012 by Capitol/EMI, with more tracks to be recorded before its completion.  The as-yet-untitled album, the first to feature all of the band’s surviving original members in decades, is being produced by Brian Wilson and executive produced by Mike Love. 

The Beach Boys and Capitol/EMI have also teamed up for a 50th Anniversary campaign spotlighting the band’s entire catalog, with several new commemorative releases planned for 2012, including a new hits collection and a career-spanning box set.

Roger Faxon, CEO of EMI Group commented: “It's no exaggeration to say that The Beach Boys are one of the greatest and most loved bands that the world has ever produced, and true American icons. We are incredibly proud to take this next step with them as our partnership enters its fiftieth year, and I can't wait to see the band back together doing what they do better than anyone else."

Colin Finkelstein, COO of EMI Music North America said: "We’re honored to continue Capitol/EMI’s historic partnership with The Beach Boys as they celebrate their fiftieth anniversary.  The Beach Boys bring the best of California’s sun and surf culture to people all over the world with their music, and we're really looking forward to working with the band on the new album and commemorative catalog releases - a real CELEBRATION of fifty years!"

Quint Davis, producer/director, New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival says, “It’s an honor to present the original Beach Boys reunion at Jazz Fest 2012.  Hosting the greatest artists of our era has always been the primary mission of Jazz Fest, and certainly The Beach Boys are unsurpassed as an iconic American musical and cultural institution. Every spring Jazz Fest is the number-one destination for good vibrations and fun, fun, fun; on April 27th, when The Beach Boys reunite on our biggest stage, it’s going to feel like a thrilling homecoming for everyone lucky enough to be there.  We’re all looking forward to experiencing the magic and the joy.”

Founded in Hawthorne, California in 1961, The Beach Boys were originally comprised of the three teenaged Wilson brothers: Brian, Carl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love, and school friend Al Jardine.  In 1962, neighbor David Marks joined the group for their first wave of hits on Capitol Records, leaving in late 1963, and in 1965, Bruce Johnston joined the band when Brian Wilson retired from touring to focus on writing and producing records for the group.  For five decades, America’s first pop band to reach the 50 year milestone has recorded and performed the music that has become the world’s favorite soundtrack to summer.

The Beach Boys signed with Capitol Records in July 1962 and released their first album, Surfin’ Safari, that same year. The album spent 37 weeks on the Billboard chart, launching the young group known for its shimmering vocal harmonies and relaxed California style into international stardom.  The Wilson/Love collaboration resulted in many huge international chart hits, and under Brian Wilson’s musical leadership, the band’s initial surf-rock focus was soon broadened to include other themes, making The Beach Boys America’s preeminent band of the 1960s.

In 1966, The Beach Boys were one of the first bands to found its own record label with the launch of Brother Records, Inc. (BRI), with the band’s members as its shareholders and Capitol Records as its distribution partner.  BRI continues to manage The Beach Boys’ intellectual property, including the band’s catalog with Capitol/EMI and other label partners, as well as its name, logos, image and likeness.

The Beach Boys continue to hold Billboard / Nielsen SoundScan’s record as the top-selling American band for albums and singles, and they are also the American group with the most Billboard Top 40 chart hits (36).  ‘Sounds Of Summer: The Very Best Of The Beach Boys’ is fast approaching triple-Platinum sales status, and ‘The SMiLE Sessions,’ released to worldwide critical acclaim in November, has been heralded as 2011’s #1 Reissue of the Year by Rolling Stone magazine.

Inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1988 and recipients of The Recording Academy’s Lifetime Achievement GRAMMY Award, The Beach Boys are an American institution that is iconic around the world.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 17, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
I read that yesterday, too. Interesting news indeed. Not sure if I am so happy about the Mike Love being the executive producer of the album thing, though. I mean, has he ever even produced any album before?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 17, 2011, 11:28:25 AM
I read that yesterday, too. Interesting news indeed. Not sure if I am so happy about the Mike Love being the executive producer of the album thing, though. I mean, has he ever even produced any album before?

"Executive producer" usually means that you're some kind of supervisor to the actual producer. So he won't really produce the album.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Klang on December 17, 2011, 11:35:52 AM

I'm certain it's more of a vanity title. It will be Brian's show in reality.

 :)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 17, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
"Executive producer" usually means that you're some kind of supervisor to the actual producer. So he won't really produce the album.

Ah, it's all good then. It's really unexpected news, isn't it? There were some rumours about them getting reunited , but I would have never thought they'd be working on a new album. You must be really glad, Joost. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 17, 2011, 02:44:08 PM
I'm certain it's more of a vanity title. It will be Brian's show in reality.

 :)
Not too sure about that. If Mike really doesn't like something, count on it that it won't happen. And besides that, not even Brian's solo albums have ever been completely Brian's show. So a new Beach Boys album probably won't be either.

Ah, it's all good then. It's really unexpected news, isn't it? There were some rumours about them getting reunited , but I would have never thought they'd be working on a new album. You must be really glad, Joost. :)
A new album and a world tour is more than I hoped for, but I actually was expecting that they would do something together. I just thought it would be something smaller. I'm also very curious about the compilations that will be released, since there's still a lot of excellent unreleased stuff in the vaults.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 17, 2011, 07:22:26 PM
Not too sure about that. If Mike really doesn't like something, count on it that it won't happen. And besides that, not even Brian's solo albums have ever been completely Brian's show. So a new Beach Boys album probably won't be either.
A new album and a world tour is more than I hoped for, but I actually was expecting that they would do something together. I just thought it would be something smaller. I'm also very curious about the compilations that will be released, since there's still a lot of excellent unreleased stuff in the vaults.

Hi Joost! In my opinion, THE BEACH BOYS has always been Mike's show because of the big offstage decisions. If Brian was ever the leader of THE BEACH BOYS, at one point, its because Mike let him during the early part of THE BEACH BOYS career.

However, if before and during THE BEACH BOYS Reunion tour, Mike thinks that he is going to be pushy with Brian and have his way like he did in the past, Mike had better think again. One thing that I can guarantee is that Brian's wife Melinda will be there and will be keeping an eye on things. If Mike gives Brian any problems, I promise you that Melinda will tear Mike a new a*s! Take care.         
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Klang on December 17, 2011, 07:53:24 PM

Heh. What so I know? You guys are probably right. I guess we're all just hoping for a great album and that it's a positive experience for all concerned. Looking forward to it.

 :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 18, 2011, 01:04:41 PM
An excellent article by Henry Rollins:

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At this moment, I am sitting in front of my stereo as the Beach Boys' SMiLE album wraps up with "Good Vibrations." Sonically, the album is one of the best things you are likely to hear in all of your life. There are moments on SMiLE that are so astonishingly good you might find yourself just staring at your speakers in unguarded wonder, as I have.

SMiLE is perhaps the Beach Boys' most legendary album. It was recorded in 1966 and 1967 but only saw a formal release in 2011. That's a long time to wait for what was said to be Brian Wilson's masterpiece.

The reasons the band did not release SMiLE in 1967 are probably myriad and perhaps not made any clearer with the passing of more than four decades. Being one of those people who have heard hours of outtakes of the songs, I have my theories as to why the album didn't come out, one of which I will come back to shortly.

Several of the songs on SMiLE have been released over the years: "Heroes and Villains," "Surf's Up" and, of course, "Good Vibrations." The entire album -- the concept, as it were -- was left for the bootleggers to assemble.

And did they ever. The Beach Boys are one seriously bootlegged band, almost on the level of the Beatles and Dylan. As proof, I direct you to the site surfermoon.com/boots.shtml, which has a fairly exhaustive list. One label in particular, Sea of Tunes, seemed to have total access to the Beach Boys tapes. Several years ago Beach Boys box sets on Sea of Tunes were dropping every few hours, it seemed.
Some of them clearly were assembled by the insanely obsessive. There is a multidisc set that covers the song "Good Vibrations" only! I had a feeling that the person or persons liberating the source tapes must have been working feverishly on the down-low, and that these sets were not going to be around for long. I reckoned I needed to get all of them. For this reason I traveled to record stores and underground outlets all over New York City, Singapore, Japan and Germany. As to the limited availability of the sets, I was right. Soon, the Sea of Tunes boxes were gone. Months later, I saw color-copy-covered CDR versions in some of my normal haunts, but those beautiful box sets were no more.

SMiLE was supposed to be the follow-up to the band's ridiculously good Pet Sounds album, released in 1966. Perhaps their biggest competition for youthful genius dominating the world at that time would have been the Beatles, who were in their Revolver-Sgt. Pepper's-Magical Mystery Tour phase, and to a minor degree the Rolling Stones, who were still in their pre-Their Satanic Majesties Request era.

Both the Beach Boys and the Beatles were aware of the other, and both were incredibly driven. The major difference was hands on deck; the Beatles had two Godzilla songwriters in Lennon and McCartney and a great one in Harrison. The Beach Boys had Brian Wilson. Though he collaborated with the extremely talented Van Dyke Parks, and other band members made contributions, Wilson carried the weight. Therein lies a biography that is at times fascinating and sad, and often imbued with a lot of pain.

Brian Wilson, a true, not-up-for-debate musical genius, was under immense pressure from Capitol, his bandmates and his own extremely high standards. The weight took its toll on Brian, whose adolescence is the stuff of nightmares, thanks to a violent father, who made Brian the target of his rage. He was the band's manager until 1964, when, at around age 22, Brian fired him.

And now my theory as to what happened to SMiLE. When you listen to these songs, at once you hear the breathtaking harmonies of the band, arrangements on the complexity level of a classical master composer, and lyrics that are heartfelt and sometimes whimsical but all completely unguarded. SMiLE, to me, is the work of a man trying desperately to hold on to himself as he struggles to navigate his great and fragile talent through a psychotic breakdown and corporate expectations. These songs are those of a man on a small boat, thousands of miles from any shoreline, sure of his navigational abilities but surrounded by the vast and turbulent ocean of his talent.
I think that at some point, he had so many parts that ultimately he didn't know what he had anymore and hit the ejector button. (Listen to "Good Vibrations" on headphones and trip on how many different sessions are seamlessly glued together.)
What we don't know and perhaps never will is if we are hearing the full version of the album exactly as Brian Wilson has envisioned it. Be that as it may, to hear all these songs in final mix, in sequence -- WOW. I have seen Brian Wilson play a couple of times. He still has it, in large quantities.

Even if you are not a Beach Boys fan, please, listen to SMiLE, all the way through, at least once. Totally worth the trip. What would have happened to the Beach Boys and the music world had SMiLE been released in 1967 or 1968 is one of those conceptual discussions that will have to wait until we are all stuck on the tour bus in the middle of one of those really long hauls. For now, a 40-plus-year-old labor of greatness has finally been brought to light. Prepare to SMiLE.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 18, 2011, 06:00:13 PM
An excellent article by Henry Rollins:

Great article Joost, thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 19, 2011, 03:16:16 PM
Always great to see a glimpse of the old Brian. :)

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Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 19, 2011, 03:18:30 PM
Always great to see a glimpse of the old Brian. :)

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Great pictures Joost, keep them coming!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: In My Life on December 21, 2011, 05:48:55 AM
Carl Wilson was born on this date in 1946.

I'm glad Brian gave him this song.

#6 The Beach Boys - God Only Knows (Pet Sounds) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bau4D6k7KvM#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 21, 2011, 05:58:46 AM
Carl Wilson was born on this date in 1946.

I'm glad Brian gave him this song.

#6 The Beach Boys - God Only Knows (Pet Sounds) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bau4D6k7KvM#[/url])


"God Only Knows" is one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Happy "B" Day Carl! R.I.P. Carl Dean Wilson, Born 21 December 1946, Died 6 February 1998 at age 51.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 23, 2011, 04:04:57 AM
Here's a Christmas song from THE BEACH BOYS!

White Christmas - The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdv5I1ol91g#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 23, 2011, 12:30:41 PM
Hey, everybody. A few Beach Boys questions here :

1) What's the story behind the famous "elements" from SMiLE? I know that we have Fire (or Mrs. O'leary's Cow), Water (or Love To Say Dada), but what about earth and wind? Is "Wind Chimes" supposed to be the wind one? And I read some stories saying that Vega Tables is supposed to be earth. Does anybody know for sure?

2)What happened to Brian after the 1976-1977 "comeback" (with "Big Ones" and "Love You"). He really seemed better, didn't he? I also saw the 1976 interview he had on "The Mike Douglas Show" in which he seemed SO fine and he was talking about his drug addiction so open, like he was 100% sure he won't fall into that pit again. I remember him saying something like "It's not worth it" about the cocaine use. I watched a few documentaries but my mind isn't yet clear about what really happened after 1977. I know that he went in 1982 (?) into Landy's surveillance.

I've listened lately to two Beach Boys albums from the 70's : "Carl and The Passions - So Tough" and "Love You". I like them both pretty much. I like the first one's sound, the soul/blues added to the Beach Boys sound fits perfectly in my opinion. I've never heard before of Blondie Chaplin or Ricky Fataar, but they both sound good here and seem to be a good addition to the band. "Love You", I think it's one of those albums that you have to know it's background to love it. Brian is back and he is allowed to do whatever he wants here. As Joost said a few pages ago on this thread when I asked his opinion on the album, the instrumentation is not very inspired and it's kind of annoying at times, though there is some good keyboard playing ("I'll Bet He's Nice). The lyrics are funny and I have no problem with them ("If Mars had live on it, I might find my wife on it"), how can you not love them. "The Night Was So Young" is gorgeous and "Good Time" is such a joyful piece of music and a very special song because it is showing Brian's voice as it was back then in 1970. Those two tracks are the stand-outs on "Love You" for me. All in all, both albums are good.

Oh, and here's my Beach Boys song of the moment :

Beach Boys - That Same Song (with gospel choir) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFeMd3HRtTg#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 23, 2011, 03:17:21 PM
1) Nobody knows for sure. It could be that 'Wind Chimes' was indeed the air section and 'Love To Say Dada'/'Cool, Cool Water' the water section, but another theory is that The Elements was just an idea that Brian had and that only the fire section was ever realized.

2) Landy was fired in the late 70s because The Beach Boys and Brian's family thought that Brian was "cured". When he slipped back into his old lifestyle (and even deeper than before), Landy was rehired. Dennis Wilson's death was a real wakeup call for Brian.

If you like the influence that Blondie en Ricky had on the band, check out the untitled album of their own band, The Flame. It's out on CD and shouldn't be too hard to find. I personally don't really like it, but then again, I don't like their Beach Boys compositions either and most of the songs on the album are similar to those.

'Love You' was mostly therapy for Brian. Landy instructed him to write about whatever was on his mind (with some pretty bizarre results) and most of the 'Love You' tracks came out of that.

'That Same Song' is cool. Too bad the gospel choir isn't on the album version!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 23, 2011, 03:43:50 PM
2) Landy was fired in the late 70s because The Beach Boys and Brian's family thought that Brian was "cured". When he slipped back into his old lifestyle (and even deeper than before), Landy was rehired. Dennis Wilson's death was a real wakeup call for Brian.

Even though it's very sad, I find Brian's life very fascinating. It's one of those things that make you wonder and than read more about it. Thanks for the answer.


'That Same Song' is cool. Too bad the gospel choir isn't on the album version!

I've never heard 15 Big Ones. But now that you say it, it really is a shame, I think both the video and the song great and all the boys seem to be having fun. Even Brian is smiling at some point. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 23, 2011, 06:04:22 PM
Here's another Christmas song from THE BEACH BOYS!

The Man With All The Toys By: The Beach Boys with Lyrics HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gG4Un10P4k#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 24, 2011, 01:09:41 PM
I've never heard 15 Big Ones. But now that you say it, it really is a shame, I think both the video and the song great and all the boys seem to be having fun. Even Brian is smiling at some point. :)


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Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 24, 2011, 06:55:03 PM
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Hi 5th Beatle! How are you? Merry Christmas! You should hear the 15 BIG ONES album on Youtube and be the judge if it is a good album. Me personally, the album doesn't do anything for me. Take care.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 24, 2011, 06:57:39 PM
Here's another Christmas song from THE BEACH BOYS!

The Beach Boys - Frosty the snowman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4yAsJIKNOA#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 25, 2011, 12:44:19 PM
Hi 5th Beatle! How are you? Merry Christmas! You should hear the 15 BIG ONES album on Youtube and be the judge if it is a good album. Me personally, the album doesn't do anything for me. Take care.   

'It's OK', 'That Same Song' and 'Had To Phone Ya' are great songs, but I don't care much for the rest of the album. Especially 'Everyone's In Love With You' and 'TM Song', those are among the worst songs The Beach Boys ever released.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 25, 2011, 01:24:56 PM
'It's OK', 'That Same Song' and 'Had To Phone Ya' are great songs, but I don't care much for the rest of the album. Especially 'Everyone's In Love With You' and 'TM Song', those are among the worst songs The Beach Boys ever released.

Love and Al wanted an album full of classic songs covers, while the Wilson brothers wanted original material. That's the story of "15 Big Ones", isn't it?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 25, 2011, 05:43:35 PM
'It's OK', 'That Same Song' and 'Had To Phone Ya' are great songs, but I don't care much for the rest of the album. Especially 'Everyone's In Love With You' and 'TM Song', those are among the worst songs The Beach Boys ever released.

Hi Joost! I just listened to the three songs that you mentioned. While they are well written songs, the music style just doesn't appeal to me. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 25, 2011, 07:48:56 PM
Love and Al wanted an album full of classic songs covers, while the Wilson brothers wanted original material. That's the story of "15 Big Ones", isn't it?

No, not exactly. The original plan was to make it a cover album so that Brian could take it easy while getting used to working in the studio again. Because things were initially going well, a new plan was made to record a double album with one disc of covers and one disc of originals. Brian got bored with the project before they had enough material for both albums, so they just released a selection of what they had.

The other covers that were recorded for '15 Big Ones' are Secret Love, Workin' In A Coal Mine, On Broadway, Mony Mony, Running Bear, Shake Rattle & Roll, Michael Row The Boat Ashore, Let's Dance (all still unreleased), Sea Cruise (appeared on the Ten Years Of Harmony compilation), Peggy Sue, Come Go With Me (both released on MIU Album in 1978) and Don't Fight The Sea (a new version featuring Carl's original vocal appeared on Al's solo album last year).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 25, 2011, 11:14:19 PM
Here's one more Christmas song from THE BEACH BOYS!

Beach Boys - Little Saint Nick (Shindig) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-vAZabkn3U#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 28, 2011, 08:23:26 PM
What about these two albums? Are they the last good or at least decent Beach Boys ones?
 
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Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 28, 2011, 09:48:07 PM
What about these two albums? Are they the last good or at least decent Beach Boys ones?
 
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Hi 5th Beatle! WOW, your mind is really expanding when it comes to THE BEACH BOYS, I'm really impressed. I have both of these albums and in my opinion, they'e not the greatest albums at all but the L.A. (LIGHT ALBUM) does have some decent songs. I do like "Good Timin'," "Lady Lynda," "Angel Come Home" and "Baby Blue," these songs do save the album a little. I will never understand why THE BEACH BOYS took the song "Here Comes The Night" from the WILD HONEY album and turned it into a 10:52 Disco song. I asked Denny about this just before he died in December 1983 and he told me that it wasn't his decision but if he would have had his way, he would have never let THE BEACH BOYS record a Disco song, let alone turning "Here's Comes The Night" into a Disco song. My advise to you 5th Beatle is to listen to as many of these songs on Youtube as you can, it is better that you be the judge of how you feel about both of these albums. Who knows, I may not like both of these albums very much but you might. If possible, after you listen to both of these albums, I would like to hear your opinion on both of these albums. Take care 5th Beatle.     
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 28, 2011, 10:01:34 PM
I received the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL) version of PET SOUNDS today. It is packaged in a Mini-LP cover and is a Special Limited Edition No. 00326. The Matrix/ID Number is UDSACD 2065. I have heard it twice today and have mixed opinions. I would say that the overall sound quality of PET SOUNDS (MFSL version) is better than the DVD Audio version because of the high power dB Bass ranges. The Bass in the MFSL version is incredible, the MFSL version is made specifically for high volumes. The higher the volumes, the better the Bass and overall sound quality with no distortion. The DVD Audio is better than the MFSL version only because of the high treble ranges but the Bass is not as good as the MFSL version. Overall, in my opinion, I would give the slight edge to the PET SOUNDS MFSL version over any other PET SOUNDS version (Including the DVD Audio) ever released up to now. If you were to mix the high treble ranges from the DVD Audio with the powerful Bass of the MFSL version, you would have the ULTIMATE PET SOUNDS album. Take care.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on December 28, 2011, 10:03:52 PM
Hi 5th Beatle! WOW, your mind is really expanding when it comes to THE BEACH BOYS, I'm really impressed. I have both of these albums and in my opinion, they'e not the greatest albums at all but the L.A. (LIGHT ALBUM) does have some decent songs. I do like "Good Timin'," "Lady Lynda," "Angel Come Home" and "Baby Blue," these songs do save the album a little. I will never understand why THE BEACH BOYS took the song "Here Comes The Night" from the WILD HONEY album and turned it into a 10:52 Disco song. I asked Denny about this just before he died in December 1983 and he told me that it wasn't his decision but if he would have had his way, he would have never let THE BEACH BOYS record a Disco song, let alone turning "Here's Comes The Night" into a Disco song. My advise to you 5th Beatle is to listen to as many of these songs on Youtube as you can, it is better that you be the judge of how you feel about both of these albums. Who knows, I may not like both of these albums very much but you might. If possible, after you listen to both of these albums, I would like to hear your opinion on both of these albums. Take care 5th Beatle.   

Thanks a lot for the opinion, BeatlesForever. I'm still very impressed by the fact that you and Dennis Wilson were close friends and that you could asked him whatever you wanted about his (or the band's) music. I couldn't even imagine being face to face with a Beatle or with another singer I love and respect. I'd probably be speechless for hours. I'll be listening to those albums soon, I think, and I'll come back with opinions. Tough, I must say, I'm not really looking forward to 11 minutes of disco.

Right now as I'm typing, I'm listening to Side B of their 1965's "Today!" and I can't believe how good it is. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 28, 2011, 10:13:17 PM
Thanks a lot for the opinion, BeatlesForever. I'm still very impressed by the fact that you and Dennis Wilson were close friends and that you could asked him whatever you wanted about his (or the band's) music. I couldn't even imagine being face to face with a Beatle or with another singer I love and respect. I'd probably be speechless for hours. I'll be listening to those albums soon, I think, and I'll come back with opinions. Tough, I must say, I'm not really looking forward to 11 minutes of disco.

Right now as I'm typing, I'm listening to Side B of their 1965's "Today!" and I can't believe how good it is. :)

You're welcome 5th Beatle, I feel confident that our friend Joost can be of some help here also. The TODAY album from 1965 is an outstanding album. I LOVE the 1960's Surf Rock sound formula that THE BEACH BOYS were recording during the 1960's, in my opinion, that was their best sound ever. Take care. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 29, 2011, 12:41:06 AM
'MIU Album' and 'LA (Light Album)' are certainly not among their better albums.

'MIU Album' was recorded during a feud between Mike and Al on one side and Carl and Dennis on the other side, with a very fragile Brian being stuck in the middle. As a result, this is mostly a Love/Jardine project. Brian contributes his share of compositions and vocals, but they're all far below his earlier standards. Carl and Dennis hardly have any input at all. I honestly can't say that anything on this album is particularly terrible, it's all listenable, but nothing is really good either. It's background music. Which is kind of painful if you realize that the same group was responsible for 'Pet Sounds' and 'Smile' just a decade earlier.

'LA (Light Album)' is a bit better. At least Carl and Dennis are back on board. Dennis even contributes a couple of songs that were originally intended for his unreleased second solo album. I think 'Good Timin'', 'Lady Lynda' and 'Baby Blue' are good songs, definately among the best song the group released after the mid 70s. Most of the other songs here are kind of boring though. The disco version of 'Here Comes the Night' is really not that bad for what it is, but it should've been about 8 minutes shorter...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 29, 2011, 01:45:09 AM
'MIU Album' and 'LA (Light Album)' are certainly not among their better albums.

'MIU Album' was recorded during a feud between Mike and Al on one side and Carl and Dennis on the other side, with a very fragile Brian being stuck in the middle. As a result, this is mostly a Love/Jardine project. Brian contributes his share of compositions and vocals, but they're all far below his earlier standards. Carl and Dennis hardly have any input at all. I honestly can't say that anything on this album is particularly terrible, it's all listenable, but nothing is really good either. It's background music. Which is kind of painful if you realize that the same group was responsible for 'Pet Sounds' and 'Smile' just a decade earlier.

'LA (Light Album)' is a bit better. At least Carl and Dennis are back on board. Dennis even contributes a couple of songs that were originally intended for his unreleased second solo album. I think 'Good Timin'', 'Lady Lynda' and 'Baby Blue' are good songs, definately among the best song the group released after the mid 70s. Most of the other songs here are kind of boring though. The disco version of 'Here Comes the Night' is really not that bad for what it is, but it should've been about 8 minutes shorter...

Hi Joost, my fellow BEACH BOYS fanatic! Thanks for your additional info for 5th Beatle, he's really getting into THE BEACH BOYS! I could never imagine or picture THE BEACH BOYS recording Disco music, THE BEACH BOYS were known for recording Surf Rock music. In my opinion, THE BEACH BOYS should have never recorded a Disco song, let alone recording an 11 minute Disco song. Take care Joost.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on December 29, 2011, 11:42:37 AM
Hi Joost, my fellow BEACH BOYS fanatic! Thanks for your additional info for 5th Beatle, he's really getting into THE BEACH BOYS! I could never imagine or picture THE BEACH BOYS recording Disco music, THE BEACH BOYS were known for recording Surf Rock music. In my opinion, THE BEACH BOYS should have never recorded a Disco song, let alone recording an 11 minute Disco song. Take care Joost.


I guess they were just desperate for a new hit single. And at least they made better disco than rap music.  ha2ha

The Beach Boys - Summer of Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFsJk6PWu0#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on December 29, 2011, 12:30:11 PM
I guess they were just desperate for a new hit single. And at least they made better disco than rap music.  ha2ha

The Beach Boys - Summer of Love ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFsJk6PWu0#[/url])


You mean Surf Rap! The credits say that the music is by Cory Lerios, he was the lead singer of PABLO CRUISE. 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on January 04, 2012, 03:28:51 AM
Here's another from THE BEACH BOYS!

The Beach Boys - Still Cruisin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg_HMrCf9JI#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 04, 2012, 03:48:50 AM
Ummm, I was in the mood to listen to this one...


Beach Boys  Wendy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#)



...some early mature Beach Boys
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: BeatlesForever on January 04, 2012, 03:51:41 AM
Ummm, I was in the mood to listen to this one...


Beach Boys  Wendy ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqhZJTLulQ#[/url])



...some early mature Beach Boys


Great song Hello Goodbye! Here's another!

The Beach Boys - Let Him Run Wild (with lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=culLp1w6GSk#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on January 16, 2012, 03:55:04 PM
I ordered this book about a few weeks ago and it finally arrived. I can't wait to read it. Think I'll just play "Carl and The Passions - So Tough" in the background and start right now. :)

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Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 16, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
I ordered this book about a few weeks ago and it finally arrived. I can't wait to read it. Think I'll just play "Carl and The Passions - So Tough" in the background and start right now. :)

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Have fun with it, that's the best Beach Boys book I've read so far.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on January 16, 2012, 03:59:32 PM
Have fun with it, that's the best Beach Boys book I've read so far.

Thanks. Great then, I'm even more excited now.  :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on January 17, 2012, 12:59:22 PM
Great performance by Dennis. Also, a very interesting story behind the song. My Beach Boys tune of the moment :

Beach Boys - Never Learn Not To Love - 1968 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I0v2bVX8j4#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on February 01, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
I made a top 10 Beach Boys albums including a top 3 songs from each album :

01.Pet Sounds
- I'm Waiting For The Day
- Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)
- God Only Knows                             
                           
02.SMiLE
- Surf's Up
- Good Vibrations                     
- Cabin Essence                   

03.Today!
- Kiss Me Baby
- Please Let Me Wonder                       
- In The Back Of My Mind       
               
04.Sunflower
- Forever
- This Whole World                           
- All I Wanna Do                         

05.Friends (the album really grew on me)
- Busy Doin' Nothin'
- Little Bird
- Friends

06.Wild Honey
- Darlin'
- I Was Made To Love Her                           
- Wild Honey                             

07.Love You
- The Night Was So Young
- Good Time                       
- I'll Bet He's Nice                       

08.20/20
- I Can Hear Music
- Time To Get Alone
- Never Learn Not To Love

09.Surf's Up
- Surf's Up
- Long Promised Road
- Til I Die (gets the 3rd place only because the extended mix is so much better)

10.Carl and The Passions - "So Tough"
- Cuddle Up
- All This Is That
- Marcella

Just missing the cut : 'Summer Days (And Summer Nights!)', 'Surfer Girl' and 'All Summer Long'.

I'm still waiting to get into 'Holland' and 'Smiley Smile'.

As for the other albums, I haven't heard them enough/at all.

Also, I almost finished the 'Catch A Wave' book and I was shocked by tons of things. I'll write more about it the next days, as soon as I completely finish it. Great, great read so far.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 01, 2012, 03:05:14 PM
Also, I almost finished the 'Catch A Wave' book and I was shocked by tons of things.

If you were shocked by this book, than you probably shouldn't read 'Heroes and Villains' by Steven Gaines...

Anyway, that list is a cool idea. I'll think about mine right now.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 01, 2012, 03:19:44 PM
1. Sunflower
- 1. This Whole World
- 2. Forever
- 3. All I Wanna Do

2. Pet Sounds
- 1. God Only Knows
- 2. Wouldn't It Be Nice
- 3. Sloop John B.

3. Smile
- 1. Surf's Up
- 2. Good Vibrations
- 3. Cabin Essence

4. Friends
- 1. Friends
- 2. Wake The World
- 3. Little Bird

5. Today!
- 1. In The Back Of My Mind
- 2. Kiss Me, Baby
- 3. Please Let Me Wonder

6. Wild Honey
- 1. Aren't You Glad
- 2. Country Air
- 3. Darlin'

7. Smiley Smile
- 1. Good Vibrations
- 2. Heroes And Villains
- 3. Wonderful

8. Surf's Up
- 1. Surf's Up
- 2. Long Promised Road
- 3. 'Til I Die

9. 20/20
- 1. Time To Get Alone
- 2. Cabin Essence
- 3. Our Prayer

10. Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!)
- 1. California Girls
- 2. Girl Don't Tell Me
- 3. Summer Means New Love
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on February 01, 2012, 05:22:09 PM
If you were shocked by this book, than you probably shouldn't read 'Heroes and Villains' by Steven Gaines...


Why is that?

7. Smiley Smile
- 1. Good Vibrations
- 2. Heroes And Villains
- 3. Wonderful

Wow, I didn't expect 'Smiley Smile' to place that high on your list. I've given it about 2 or 3 listens, but nothing impressed me (now that we have the "original" 'SMiLE', too). 'Wonderful', 'Vegetables' and 'Wind Chimes' are weird, but very interesting and I like them (I might prefer the first one over its SMiLE version), but that's about it. 'Good Vibrations' and 'Heroes and Villains' are good, but I prefer the SMiLE versions of both. But the rest of it, I just didn't like it. Who knows, maybe I should listen to it again and I will get it sometime. But that's what I will probably do. I can already imagine myself from the future reading this post and thinking what the hell was I talking about back then. :)

On the other hand, the cover art is extremely awesome. I love it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on February 01, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
By the way, Joost, what do you think of Brian's 'Mount Vernon and Fairway' ? It has its moments but it's somehow  easy to understand why the other members (Carl, I think) didn't want it to end up on an album, though it finally ended up as a bonus on 'Holland'.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 02, 2012, 09:59:01 AM
Why is that?
At least 'Catch a Wave' only contains the (more or less) confirmed scandals, 'Heroes and Villains' also has the nasty rumors and some pure slander and proven lies as well.

Wow, I didn't expect 'Smiley Smile' to place that high on your list.
I didn't like it at first, but the album just has a certain kind mood that will grow on you. And even in their inferior 'Smiley Smile' incarnations, the 'Smile' songs are still brilliant.

By the way, Joost, what do you think of Brian's 'Mount Vernon and Fairway' ?
Nothing, really... I think the only reason why it was released was because they didn't want to hurt Brian's feelings by completely rejecting it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on February 02, 2012, 06:56:58 PM
At least 'Catch a Wave' only contains the (more or less) confirmed scandals, 'Heroes and Villains' also has the nasty rumors and some pure slander and proven lies as well.

What were the lies and slander in that book? Interested to know because I read it years ago and some of that sh*t blew my mind.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 06, 2012, 07:42:21 AM
What were the lies and slander in that book? Interested to know because I read it years ago and some of that sh*t blew my mind.

A lot of the scandals are indeed true, but there are also quite a few rumors in there that are either unproven or completely false. The most blatant lie is that Brian's line-in nurse/girlfriend was kept away from him by The Beach Boys camp because she was African American. There's a lot of proof that The Beach Boys weren't racists. She was kept away from Brian because she was a gold digger who provided him with cocaine.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Klang on February 13, 2012, 06:06:13 PM

And now...

2012 54th Grammy Awards The Beach Boys [HD] [NEW] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6Lv20qXhE#)

 8)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on February 13, 2012, 06:30:14 PM
And now...

2012 54th Grammy Awards The Beach Boys [HD] [NEW] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6Lv20qXhE#[/url])

 8)


Saw that, too. Not bad at all. :)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 16, 2012, 09:26:58 AM
Tour dates so far... More to follow...

April 24
Tucson, AZ
Anselmo Valencia Amphitheater 
On Sale: February 25   

April 26   
Grand Prairie, TX                               
Verizon Theatre
On Sale: February 25   

April 27   
New Orleans, LA                   
New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival
On Sale Now               

April 28     
Atlanta, GA       
Chastain Park Amphitheater
On Sale: March 11       

April 29
Raleigh, NC
Raleigh Amphitheater
On Sale: February 25

May 2         
St Augustine, FL                   
St. Augustine Amphitheater
On Sale: February 24   

May 4         
Hollywood, FL                     
Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino
On Sale: TBD   

May 5         
Tampa, FL                             
Stratz Center For The Performing Arts
On Sale: February 25   

May 8         
New York, NY                       
Beacon Theater   
On Sale: February 21   

May  9       
New York , NY                       
Beacon Theater     
On Sale: February 21   

May 11         
Pittsburgh, PA
Benedum Hall       
On Sale: February 27   

May 12       
Uncasville, CT                       
Mohegan Sun Arena 
Sold Out                       

May 13
Uncasville, CT                       
Mohegan Sun Arena 
On Sale: February 24   

May 15       
White Plains, NY                   
Westchester County Center
On Sale: February 25   

May 17       
Bethlehem PA                       
Sands Bethlehem Events Center
On Sale: February 24   

May 19       
Atlantic City, NJ                     
The Borgata Hotel Casino
On Sale: February 24   

May 21       
Chicago, IL                             
Chicago Theatre   
On Sale: February 20   

May 27       
Las Vegas, NV                         
Red Rock Casino
On Sale: February 25   

June 1         
Berkeley, CA                           
The Greek Theatre
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June 2         
Los Angeles, CA                     
Hollywood Bowl
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June 8           
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Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
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Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival
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Blossom Music Center
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June 15         
Columbia, MD             
Merriweather Post Pavilion
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June 16         
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Susquahanna Bank Center
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June 17         
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Bethel Woods Center For The Arts
On Sale: February 25   

June 19         
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Molson Amphitheatre
On Sale: February 25   

June 20         
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Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 16, 2012, 09:28:10 AM
Full video of the new version of 'Do It Again':
The Beach Boys Do It Again - 50th Anniversary Edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23U7kegA5gc#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Bobber on February 16, 2012, 10:04:04 AM
Tour dates so far... More to follow...

Have you made any plans for the summer holidays yet?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 16, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
Have you made any plans for the summer holidays yet?

We're planning on going after the high season, so it shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Klang on February 16, 2012, 10:12:28 AM

I will definitely be catching one of the German shows.

 :D

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on February 16, 2012, 12:29:30 PM
Full video of the new version of 'Do It Again':
The Beach Boys Do It Again - 50th Anniversary Edition ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23U7kegA5gc#ws[/url])


Eh, I miss those workshop sounds. ha2ha
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: tkitna on February 16, 2012, 01:02:53 PM
May 11         
Pittsburgh, PA
Benedum Hall       
On Sale: February 27


I'll be there.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 21, 2012, 05:44:21 AM
1. Top 5 songs?
1. 'Til I Die (love playing the chords on my keyboard on organ setting. Everything flows so beautifully.)
2. Please Let Me Wonder (reminds me of my gf)
3.Forever (Brian's best falsetto ever I think)
4. Help Me Rhonda (especially love the Murry session tapes even before the fighting mind you. Love hearing that blend and their practicing)
5.Take a Load off Your Feet (awesome song in general. Chill, etc.  Also love the live version).
6.Funky Pretty/Trader (Former is an awkward but chill song and the latter has some sort of beauty that doesn't get old.)
2. Least favorite song?
They have some bad songs but it's more of a "I'm going to skip that one" versus disliking it too much.
3. Top 5 albums?
1. Today! (I personally enjoy it more than Pet Sounds because the surf sound was perfect for them but they developed it into a more mature level).
2.Pet Sounds (very little surf sound anymore except for some instrumentation but overall very enjoyable)
3.Smile!
4.Holland and Mt. Vernon and Fairway EP (The former a chill album and I think the Flame artists do a good job for this one. Mt. Vernon and Fairway is an interesting listen. I like putting it on the turntable when doing some work or chill time. On youtube they used to have a '72 demo of Brian complaining about his piano being out of tune. I like that version a lot.)
5. Summer Days and Summer Nights (And Your Summer Dream melts me)
6.  Love you (finally when they let Brian back in control actually quality productions come out. The synths and songs just do. It's where it's at for me in general.
4. Least favorite album?
15 Big Ones


5. Top 5 solo albums?
Dennis's and Brian's are good.
6. Least favorite solo album?
Not really into the solo works that much.

7. Rank the Beach Boys members from favorite to least favorite.
Brian, Dennis, Carl, Al, Jack Reilly, Bruce, Mike
8. Rank the time periods from favorite to least favorite:
1.The sun & fun years: 1961-1965
2.) Pet Sounds & Smile: 1966-1967
3.) The wilderness years: 1967-1973
4.) Creative decline: 1976-1996
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on February 21, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
That's an interesting top dcowboys107. I think it's cool that you like their surf stuff more than their Pet Sounds/SMiLE years. I personally had a harder time getting into the surf songs. I usually search for those obligatory Brian ballads on each of their earlier albums (Lonely Sea, In My Room, Surfer Girl, Surfer Moon, Don't Worry Baby, The Warmth Of The Sun etc.). I could made an album only with those and I think it would be better than anything pre 'Today!'. I'd take anyday an album like 'M.I.U Album' or 'L.A' over their debut, only because of the element of surprise (which can be both dissapointing and satisfactory). When thinking about 'Surfin' Safari', I already know what to expect : songs about surfing with Mike on lead. Anyway, that's just my opinion. I'd love to hear the reason why you like their earlier stuff (if there is one).

I agree about Holland, I personally love what the band did in their 'Ricky and Blondie' era (both 'Carl and The Passions' and 'Holland'). About 'Mt. Vernon and Fairway', I don't really like it, but I don't dismiss it as being an okay background song.

A quick question : You said you liked Brian's falsetto on 'Forever'. Where is it? I've always thought Carl was doing the backing vocals throughout the whole song. The 'ma ma ma ma'-s sound very Carl-ish to me. And 'together my love' is Mike, isn't it? Is Brian doing the 'Just let me sing, my baby/I want to sing my baby/Baby, baby...' part at about 1:30?

Here's a 'Forever' A Capella video :

Forever - Dennis Wilson - The Beach Boys Acapella A Capella (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvzp3rfPL4k#)

And here's my Beach Boys song of the moment. Absolutely beautiful :

The Beach Boys-Good Timin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvjpS4dpOng#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on February 21, 2012, 01:41:41 PM
Quote
A quick question : You said you liked Brian's falsetto on 'Forever'. Where is it? I've always thought Carl was doing the backing vocals throughout the whole song. The 'ma ma ma ma'-s sound very Carl-ish to me. And 'together my love' is Mike, isn't it? Is Brian doing the 'Just let me sing, my baby/I want to sing my baby/Baby, baby...' part at about 1:30?

They both sings in falsetto. Around this time it seems like the two both sang falsetto parts. Same things happens in 'Til I die in the outro. But this one you can hear both of them throughout the whole song.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 21, 2012, 09:53:54 PM
That's an interesting top dcowboys107. I think it's cool that you like their surf stuff more than their Pet Sounds/SMiLE years. I personally had a harder time getting into the surf songs. I usually search for those obligatory Brian ballads on each of their earlier albums (Lonely Sea, In My Room, Surfer Girl, Surfer Moon, Don't Worry Baby, The Warmth Of The Sun etc.). I could made an album only with those and I think it would be better than anything pre 'Today!'. I'd take anyday an album like 'M.I.U Album' or 'L.A' over their debut, only because of the element of surprise (which can be both dissapointing and satisfactory). When thinking about 'Surfin' Safari', I already know what to expect : songs about surfing with Mike on lead. Anyway, that's just my opinion. I'd love to hear the reason why you like their earlier stuff (if there is one).
I agree with everything you wrote here.

A quick question : You said you liked Brian's falsetto on 'Forever'. Where is it? I've always thought Carl was doing the backing vocals throughout the whole song. The 'ma ma ma ma'-s sound very Carl-ish to me. And 'together my love' is Mike, isn't it? Is Brian doing the 'Just let me sing, my baby/I want to sing my baby/Baby, baby...' part at about 1:30?
The my my my my my's and all the high vocals from 2:05 on are definately Brian and not Carl. I've been told that all the vocals here were done by the three Wilsons and I tend to believe that's true. The bass vocal does sound like Mike, but Dennis's bass vocals could sound a lot like Mike's, and Brian could sing surprisingly good "deep" vocals too.

Here's a 'Forever' A Capella video
I love this version. I think I even prefer it over the regular version.

And here's my Beach Boys song of the moment. Absolutely beautiful :
And about this song I've been told that all the vocals are Carl. I think that might be true as well, it sure sounds to me like at least 90% of those voices are his.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on February 27, 2012, 02:34:31 PM
The my my my my my's and all the high vocals from 2:05 on are definately Brian and not Carl. I've been told that all the vocals here were done by the three Wilsons and I tend to believe that's true. The bass vocal does sound like Mike, but Dennis's bass vocals could sound a lot like Mike's, and Brian could sing surprisingly good "deep" vocals too.


Good, I heard the cappella version again and I can definitely hear Brian now.

I love this version. I think I even prefer it over the regular version.


I love it, too. My favourite part of the song is from 1:06 to 1:15 - the mystic humming part followed by the lyric "together my love...", it's just brilliant. By the way, where do these 'a capella' versions come from? Are they just made by fans or are they something official, made by the band itslef?

And about this song I've been told that all the vocals are Carl. I think that might be true as well, it sure sounds to me like at least 90% of those voices are his.


That really is something. I really like 'Good Timin' a lot.

Also, I've listened to 'L.A (Light Album)' a few times recently and I was pleasantly surprised. I really enjoy the aforementioned, Dennis' 'Baby Blue', 'Love Surrounds Me' and Carl's 'Goin' South'.

'Lady Lynda', 'Full Sail', 'Angel Come Home' and 'Shortenin' Bread' are pretty good, too.

To be quite honest, 'Sumahama' isn't really bad, if it wouldn't have been for the Japanese singing, which is cringeworthy, I would say it's a good song.

I've always skipped 'Here Comes The Night', disco is really not my thing.

All in all, we've got very little Brian involvement, but both Carl and Dennis in top form, cotribuing with some of the best efforts they came up with since the mid 70's. As I said before, I was pleasantly surprised with the band considering the band's status at the time.
I'd rank it somewhere between a 3.5 and a 4 out of 5 (or 7.5 out of 10). The art covers are pretty interesting, too.

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/817/61jllurtnll.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/61jllurtnll.jpg/) (http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7282/301246242687a7365519z.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/301246242687a7365519z.jpg/)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on February 27, 2012, 03:26:17 PM
. By the way, where do these 'a capella' versions come from? Are they just made by fans or are they something official, made by the band itslef?

The a capella mix of 'Forever' was released on an official compilation called 'Hawthorne, CA'. It's a pretty cool double CD with alternate versions, demos, outtakes and other rarities.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on March 02, 2012, 05:53:48 PM
"Forever" has two falsetto parts. But Brian's part is the most noticeable and occurs most often. The my my my part has Brian at one point and Carl briefly. For the majority of the song, it's Brian.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on March 02, 2012, 09:10:24 PM
"Forever" has two falsetto parts. But Brian's part is the most noticeable and occurs most often. The my my my part has Brian at one point and Carl briefly. For the majority of the song, it's Brian.

You're right, Brian does the most prominent "my my mys", but Carl indeed takes a few as well.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on March 03, 2012, 04:24:24 AM
@Joost, listening to Sunflower right now. This week it seems to have turned to spring. Perfect "winter changes into spring" album. 

Surf's up.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on March 04, 2012, 01:47:29 AM
Saw some Beach Boys things at the Hard Rock Cafe: London. A letter to Brian Wilson from their secretary and an autographed Dennis Wilson drum symbol.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on March 20, 2012, 06:49:10 PM
Meet and Greet "VIP" packages go on sale for my hometown tomorrow.  Do you think a "Meet and Greet" would be worth it? I really wanna go to the show and meet them but I'm afraid it'll just be a pass through type deal like "hey" and leave and take a quick picture.  Any ideas?? The package costs $375. . .
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on March 20, 2012, 08:31:56 PM
I think it's stupid and insulting that they even dare to offer such packages. It's kind of like platonic prostitution, isn't it? I would obviously love to meet The Beach Boys, but I would never in a million years pay money to shake someone's hand.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on March 20, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
yeah I guess that you put it that way it does seem odd. I think it's the promoters who put things like that together but it feels almost embarrassing to know someone paid that much money just to visit you for a few minutes.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Mairi on March 24, 2012, 01:31:52 AM
Seems a bit weird to me
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on March 25, 2012, 01:58:18 AM
Finally got my tickets for ATL!!!!!! I'm bringing my mom and dad along. My mom likes them and my dad I think is indifferent so it'll be interesting to see if his opinion changes. He was born in the sixties in south america so the surf sound never grew in south america (anyone know why?).

But hopefully this concert will have its schmaltzy side with tributes to Carl and Dennis and PLEASE let them play some hidden gems. It'll be fun either way but I wanna hear some stuff from Holland or Mt Vernon and Fairway or Love you. Wouldn't "Airplane" or "Let's Go on This Way"

I wish they'd do "Steamboat" for Carl. His vocals are awesome in that one.

Anything I should look out for or expect?  I will report back with notes and stuff for all those interested!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 03, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
Some Beach Boys news:

The reunion tour will start on April 24 in Tucson, Arizona. 56 Dates in the US, Europa, Canada and Japan have been announced so far.

On April 10, The Beach Boys and the Dodger Stadium will both celebrate their 50th anniversaries together with a live performance and co-branded merchandise.

Al Jardine's often delayed first solo album 'A Postcard from California', which was a download only release two years ago, is now finally available on CD. It comes with three bonus tracks.

The new Beach Boys album will be released sometime in mid 2012 (June 5 has been mentioned as a release date). The first single from the album is called 'That's Why God Made the Radio'. Other song titles that have been mentioned are 'Beaches in Mind' and 'Waves of Love'.

A 90 minute Beach Boys PBS TV special will be aired on June 7.

Besides the new album, a "career-spanning box set", yet another greatest hits compilation (indeed, we didn't have enough of those yet...) and "other archival releases" are in the works.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on April 04, 2012, 03:29:12 PM
Some Beach Boys news:

The reunion tour will start on April 24 in Tucson, Arizona. 56 Dates in the US, Europa, Canada and Japan have been announced so far.

On April 10, The Beach Boys and the Dodger Stadium will both celebrate their 50th anniversaries together with a live performance and co-branded merchandise.

Al Jardine's often delayed first solo album 'A Postcard from California', which was a download only release two years ago, is now finally available on CD. It comes with three bonus tracks.

The new Beach Boys album will be released sometime in mid 2012 (June 5 has been mentioned as a release date). The first single from the album is called 'That's Why God Made the Radio'. Other song titles that have been mentioned are 'Beaches in Mind' and 'Waves of Love'.

A 90 minute Beach Boys PBS TV special will be aired on June 7.

Besides the new album, a "career-spanning box set", yet another greatest hits compilation (indeed, we didn't have enough of those yet...) and "other archival releases" are in the works.

How are you doing, Joost? Thanks for sharing, it looks like it's gonna be a pretty full year for Beach Boys fans.

'Beaches in Mind' and 'Waves of Love' ? Hope they are not trying to re-create those surfing things again like they did with 'Kona Coast' or 'California Calling'.

Also, I wanted to ask if you've heard all of their solo discography. I've read some reviews but I'm still undecided : I've heard Dennis' 'Pacific Ocean Blue', Brian's 'SMiLE', 'Midnight's Another Day', self-titled album and 'Imagination'. Is there anything more worth checking?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 05, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
How are you doing, Joost? Thanks for sharing, it looks like it's gonna be a pretty full year for Beach Boys fans.
I'm doing great, how are you? Yeah, I just hope I won't be completely broke by the end of the year. ;)

'Beaches in Mind' and 'Waves of Love' ? Hope they are not trying to re-create those surfing things again like they did with 'Kona Coast' or 'California Calling'.
Indeed, let's hope they're not trying to do that again... But I'm confident that it will at least be a decent album, for two reasons: Brian's recent compositions have been much better than what he wrote in the late 70s and the 80s, and while in the late 70s/80s The Beach Boys were an oldies act desperately trying to recapture their old glory, nowadays they're also cult icons with a large, more alternative following. Let's hope that inspires them to make this an album with some good taste.

Also, I wanted to ask if you've heard all of their solo discography. I've read some reviews but I'm still undecided : I've heard Dennis' 'Pacific Ocean Blue', Brian's 'SMiLE', 'Midnight's Another Day', self-titled album and 'Imagination'. Is there anything more worth checking?
The albums you mentioned are all the solo albums that I would call essential. Mike's album, Carl's two albums and Brian's 'Gettin' In Over My Head' are all pretty bad. All of Brian's other albums are fine and enjoyable, but filled with either covers or re-recordings, so none of those are real must-haves. 'Orange Crate Art' by Brian Wilson & Van Dyke Parks is OK, nice old-fashioned nostalgic (pre-pop) music, but that's really a Van Dyke Parks album with Brian only singing.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 05, 2012, 02:03:09 PM
Promo video for Al's new solo album:
Al Jardine - A Postcard from California - official EPK - HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8vx2njD_EU#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on April 05, 2012, 02:28:08 PM
I'm doing great, how are you?


Great as well, I'm getting ready for another ski trip (the 2nd this year) on which I will be going tomorrow.

Yeah, I just hope I won't be completely broke by the end of the year. ;)


 ha2ha


Indeed, let's hope they're not trying to do that again... But I'm confident that it will at least be a decent album, for two reasons: Brian's recent compositions have been much better than what he wrote in the late 70s and the 80s, and while in the late 70s/80s The Beach Boys were an oldies act desperately trying to recapture their old glory, nowadays they're also cult icons with a large, more alternative following. Let's hope that inspires them to make this an album with some good taste.

That's true. As long as it's going to be as good as 'That Lucky Old Sun', that will be enough for me.

The albums you mentioned are all the solo albums that I would call essential. Mike's album, Carl's two albums and Brian's 'Gettin' In Over My Head' are all pretty bad. All of Brian's other albums are fine and enjoyable, but filled with either covers or re-recordings, so none of those are real must-haves. 'Orange Crate Art' by Brian Wilson & Van Dyke Parks is OK, nice old-fashioned nostalgic (pre-pop) music, but that's really a Van Dyke Parks album with Brian only singing.


I forgot about that one. I'll be checking it as soon as I can.

I've heard that Carl's albums are bad, however I like this song very much :

Carl Wilson - Heaven (studio) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVlIFVJLP8I#)

I've also heard that Brian covered it once as a tribute.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 05, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
'Heaven' is the only decent song on Carl's solo albums, the rest is just very bland. BTW, Brian recorded a cover of 'Heaven' a few years ago, it was never released on CD or vinyl, but it should be online somewhere.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on April 23, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
Just five more days until the Beach Boys are in Atlanta!!! I've been looking for set lists online but I just realized that tomorrow is the first stop in the tour so I will be one of the earlier cities in the tour. Hopefully that's a good thing haha. Will it be a meat and potatoes type show? I don't mind but I'd also like to hear some of the lesser known songs but I think they'll play their show accordingly. The other show I saw two years ago was strictly hits but that was a post baseball game show on Memorial Day but hopefully it'll be a good show.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on April 25, 2012, 05:47:37 PM
The new Beach Boys song.

The Beach Boys - That's Why God Made the Radio (Lyric Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGke6pnT1d0#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on April 26, 2012, 12:23:51 PM
I've been really pleased with their new song! It's awesome. It has a "Warmth of the Sun" feel in the verses.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on April 26, 2012, 09:47:30 PM
Do It Again
Catch a Wave
Don’t Back Down
Surfin' Safari
Surfer Girl – with a huge ovation for Brian’s lead vocal
Mike asks for requests
The Little Girl I Once Knew
Wendy – Dave Lead VocalThen I Kissed Her
This Whole World
Mike Intro’s Brian to a standing ovation
Why Do Fools Fall In Love – incredible harmonies
When I Grow Up
You're So Good To Me – Great Brian Lead
Cottonfields –Al rocked it out
Mike referenced the Dodgers opening day appearance – says that when they started…they were the Brooklyn Dodgers ha ha ha
Be True To Your school
Disney Girls – Song of the night!!! Incredible harmonies
Please Let Me Wonder – Brian Lead..Bruce says” I Love You”
Don’t Worry Baby – Jeff Foskett lead vocal
Little Honda – some GREAT Dave surf guitar licks
Little Deuce Coupe
409
Shut Down
I Get Around

Band takes a Break – 20 minutes

Sloop John B
Wouldn’t It Be Nice
Forever – Dennis video vocal and band backs him up with Harmonies and music – really nice video trib with pix
Sail On Sailor – Great Brian vocal
Heroes and Villains – traditional version but with the SMiLE acapella ending
In My Room
All This Is That – Darian takes Carls part
God Only Knows – Same video trib as Dennis with Carls lead vocal and the band backs it up – Mike very emotional and says “Carl is with us tonight”
That’s Why God Made The Radio – Crowd LOVED it…very nice tune
California Dreaming
California Girls
Dance, Dance, Dance
All Summer Long
Help Me, Rhonda
Do Ya Wanna Dance – Dave on lead vocal
Barbara Ann
Surfin’ USA

ENCORE:
Kokomo
Good Vibrations
Fun Fun Fun
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on April 28, 2012, 04:39:16 PM
Tonight I go to the Atlanta concert!  Before I go anything I should specifically look out for? I'd like to report back to anyone interested here and take questions and leave my comments and impressions. I'm sure the European folks are dying for the summer :P 

Anyways have a good weekend. I hope it's a great show. So far is seems like it's been very well received! 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on April 29, 2012, 12:29:10 AM
Was it the same set list?

Did they actually take requests from the audience?

What song didn't they play that you wanted to hear?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: dcowboys107 on April 29, 2012, 04:42:05 PM
They didn't play "Dance Dance Dance".  But more or less the same set list.  I wish they had played "California Saga" honestly. Al was the highlight of the show honestly. When he was singing "Rhonda" I closed my eyes and it sounded just like the recorded version and the tv show appearance that you can find on youtube. His voice has held up so well and sounds like he's in 1972 still or something.  Also Jeff was great singing the falsetto parts. Didn't sound cheesy at all and complemented the whole blend and his "Don't Worry Baby" was great.  Also Brian sounded really good. Got out of key a bit but hey, no autotune or anything and I didn't mind at all. He sounded great on Sail on and Sloop John B.

Overall a great show. Very emotional especially when they were honoring Dennis and Carl. During I think Carl's, Brian looked over at the screen at Carl's video and pictures.  I cried a lot especially during those parts. Also, Bruce's voice was a bit rasp but his "Disney Girls" was really touching as usual and even though it was a bit of a "struggle" it turned out good and was probably one of the best arranged for the concert.

Brian was a bit stiff as usual but towards the end he loosened up and was snapping his fingers and was "getting into it" and even played bass. Even though I think he was just pretending but whatever. It was a great night and time and will always remember it.   
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on May 10, 2012, 05:59:03 PM
Good.
I hope to finally get to see Al singing Help Me Rhonda.
But they have to come to Europe for that.
I also like California Saga and Disney Girls.
Looks like we have similar tastes!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 01, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
I got the new album today. My song by song impressions after the first three listens:

Think About the Days - 'Our Prayer Part II'. Absolutely stunning.
That's Why God Made the Radio - Great vocals, excellent chorus, nice 50s touch on the verses. Like it a lot.
Isn't It Time - A bit lightweight but good fun and catchy enough. I like the sparse backing track with the ukelele and handclaps. Almost has a 'Friends' vibe.
Spring Vacation - Mike rarely sounded this cool. Very sunny and energetic.
The Private Life of Bill & Sue - Somewhat insignificant. Gotta love a typically wacky Brian song like this, though.
Shelter - Not one of the most significant songs either. Still OK.
Daybreak over the Ocean - Meh. Wasn't one re-writing of 'My Bonnie' enough for the Beach Boys catalogue?
Beaches in Mind - Another insignificant song. Probably the weakest track on the album.
Strange World - Not sure what to think of it yet. So far I'm not really impressed, but this might be a grower.
From There to Back Again - Mind-blowing. I didn't expect, or even hope for, something this good. Al sounds as good as ever, the harmonies recapture a bit of that old Beach Boys magic, there are echoes of 'Pet Sounds' all over the arrangement while the complexity and diversity of the composition are a bit 'Smile'-ish... Maybe I'm overreacting, but this could be Beach Boys all time top 25 (or 20 even) material.
Pacific Coast Highway - Very, very touching. Almost as good as the previous one.
Summer's Gone - Magical. And let's call this 'Caroline, No Part II'. If this actually is the final Beach Boys album, than this would be the most suitable closing track possible, and a worthy farewell song.

For my rating, I'd like to cut this album into three pieces: 8,5/10 for the first four songs, 6,5/10 for the next five and 10/10 for the last three.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Klang on June 02, 2012, 08:16:28 AM

Got it too. Good assessment.

 :)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on June 02, 2012, 12:55:08 PM
Nice review, Joost. Can't wait to hear the album, especially the last songs, which you praised. I don't know yet for sure when it'll be available in my country, but I'm trying to listen to every album they've done until then. That way I can get a more general view (I believe). I listened to 'Keepin' The Summer Alive' in the last few days and I thought it was terrible. The most lifeless album I've ever heard. At least '15 Big Ones' and 'S/T 85', despite the horrible production on both, had some good material. Next on the list are 'Still Cruisin'' and 'Summer In Paradise'.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 02, 2012, 02:14:32 PM
Although it's certainly one of their lesser albums, I don't dislike 'Keeping the Summer Alive' as much as most people do. 'Some of Your Love', 'Goin' On' and 'Endless Harmony' are pretty catchy and 'Livin' with a Heartache' and 'Santa Ana Winds' are nice and mellow. 'The Beach Boys (1985)' on the other hand... That's an album that I really don't like. The only two good songs are ripoffs of other songs ('Getcha Back' on Bruce Springsteen's 'Hungry Heart', 'California Calling' of 'Surfin' USA') and the production is absolutely horrible. But still, 'Summer in Paradise' is much, much worse. It's pure garbage. Apart from the nice cover art, absolutely everything about that album is terrible.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on June 03, 2012, 09:41:42 AM
To each his own, but in my opinion, 'The Beach Boys (1985)' is better and more inspired than 'Keepin' The Summer Alive'. I've listened to them again today and I stick with my opinion.

The title track's bridge is pretty ok, but other than that I think it's terrible. Stupid computerised backing vocals and what about the ending, when Carl literally repeats the chorus for more than one minute?! 'Oh Darlin'' is about the same to me : ruined by the backing vocals during the chorus. I also dislike the instrumental. 'Some of Your Love' is decent enough, but I wish they would have left out the sax. Especially in the intro..it's just so random. And just like the title track, it's way too repetitive. 'Livin' With a Heartache' has a good Carl lead, but to me, it sounds lifeless, boring and monotonous. Maybe I'm not a fan of the genre. At least 'Full Sail' had some emotion attached to it, even though not very inspired musically. It had a calm and warm feeling, while 'Living With a Heartache' seems to be going nowhere and leaves me completely cold. But it's the best of the Carl-lead songs. 'School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes the Bell)'. No comment. Just why? 'Goin' On' is a good song, but I've never thought of it as something special. It's the best song on the album, but not something exceptional. 'Sunshine' is very weird. I don't even know what to think of it. The backing vocals are extremely uninspired and Mike's voice sounds weird. 'When Girls Get Together' is another song I really dislike. Same as 'Living With A Heartache', it's lifeless, boring and monotonous. 'Santa Ana Winds' is decent enough. 'Endless Harmony', while not having the best lyrics, has a great ending and possibly one of the best moments on the album.

As I've said in the previous post, I think, though eclipsed by the terrible production, 'The Beach Boys (1985)' has greater material. There are some painful moments, like the never-ending 'Passing Friend' or that lead guitar in 'Maybe I Don't Know' which is totally unfit for a Beach Boys song (like many other things on the album, for that matter). But there are some songs there I really enjoy. IMO, both 'It's Gettin' Late' and 'Where I Belong' are great Carl compositions, way better than anything he wrote on 'Keepin' The Summer Alive'. 'Where I Belong' has a great atmosphere and the harmonies on the chorus are just heavenly. 'Getcha Back' is another song I like, though I admit it's not that good of a song. I didn't know it was a ripoff of a Bruce Springsteen song. 'She Believes In Love Again' is , in my opinion, better than 'Endless Harmony' and a guilty pleasure of mine. I even enjoy 'Male Ego' and 'It's Just a Matter Of Time'  though I hate Brian's lead on the former and the stupid harmonica on the second. The remainder is pretty weak.

But all in all, I think both albums are weak and uninspired compared to any of their 70's efforts and once you become a Beach Boys fan and you learn more about the band's history, it becomes easier to understand why some of their albums suck. I mean, Brian and Dennis were both a wreck during the making of the former and album, and for the latter, Dennis was no longer alive and Brian was manipulated by Landy. But of course, that's no excuse. Carl, Mike, Bruce and Al could've definitely come up with something better.

But still, 'Summer in Paradise' is much, much worse. It's pure garbage. Apart from the nice cover art, absolutely everything about that album is terrible.

Can't wait to hear it. ha2ha
I've watched the 'Summer Of Love' video some while ago and I thought it was hillarious. What the hell was Mike thinking?

P.S. Sorry for the long post. I'm bored at home...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 04, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
But all in all, I think both albums are weak and uninspired compared to any of their 70's efforts and once you become a Beach Boys fan and you learn more about the band's history, it becomes easier to understand why some of their albums suck.

I think that the bad albums only contribute to how fascinating The Beach Boys story really is. This is a band that in just 18 years time went from giving The Beatles a run for their money, to being so lost for ideas that they gratefully accepted a Culture Club leftover to record. That's really a kind of tragedy that you only find in movies.

And the good thing about those albums is that you appreciate the good things much more. A beautiful little harmony, a really cool riff or a catchy hook that you hardly would've noticed on any of the early albums sounds like a little hidden treasure on those crappy 80s and 90s albums.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on June 04, 2012, 02:11:23 PM
I think that the bad albums only contribute to how fascinating The Beach Boys story really is. This is a band that in just 18 years time went from giving The Beatles a run for their money, to being so lost for ideas that they gratefully accepted a Culture Club leftover to record. That's really a kind of tragedy that you only find in movies.

And the good thing about those albums is that you appreciate the good things much more. A beautiful little harmony, a really cool riff or a catchy hook that you hardly would've noticed on any of the early albums sounds like a little hidden treasure on those crappy 80s and 90s albums.

Great post, I agree with everything. What's your theory on why Carl, at some point, gave up on the band's artistic integrity and just went on with what Mike wanted (tours with playlists full of oldies and albums such as the ones we've talked about before) ?

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 05, 2012, 06:49:04 AM
What's your theory on why Carl, at some point, gave up on the band's artistic integrity and just went on with what Mike wanted (tours with playlists full of oldies and albums such as the ones we've talked about before) ?

I think because Mike was simply proven right, from a commercial point of view. Prior to the release of the 'Endless Summer' compilation, the 70s were a very unsuccessful decade for The Beach Boys. Their best-selling studio album went to #29 and their best-selling single to #64. Then 'Endless Summer' came out, a compilation of pre-'Pet Sounds' songs compiled by Mike, which went to #1 and stayed on the charts for 155 weeks. My guess is that this was when the band realized, "Well, the people don't want us to keep evolving, they just want us to play the old surf and car songs".

*edit*
That, and probably because in the second half of the 70s Carl was often simply outvoted. It used to be the Wilsons (progressive/artistic) vs. Love & Jardine (conservative/commercial), but with Dennis rarely even bothering to show up and Brian being too scared of confrontations to have his brother's back, Carl was often on his own.

BTW, unhappy with the way things were going, Carl actually left the group from February 1981 until April 1982.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on June 06, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
I think because Mike was simply proven right, from a commercial point of view. Prior to the release of the 'Endless Summer' compilation, the 70s were a very unsuccessful decade for The Beach Boys. Their best-selling studio album went to #29 and their best-selling single to #64. Then 'Endless Summer' came out, a compilation of pre-'Pet Sounds' songs compiled by Mike, which went to #1 and stayed on the charts for 155 weeks. My guess is that this was when the band realized, "Well, the people don't want us to keep evolving, they just want us to play the old surf and car songs".

*edit*
That, and probably because in the second half of the 70s Carl was often simply outvoted. It used to be the Wilsons (progressive/artistic) vs. Love & Jardine (conservative/commercial), but with Dennis rarely even bothering to show up and Brian being too scared of confrontations to have his brother's back, Carl was often on his own.

BTW, unhappy with the way things were going, Carl actually left the group from February 1981 until April 1982.

Poor Carl, I always feel sorry for him. He was always a nice and decent guy who tried to look out for both his brothers, and the band whenever he could. And it's all news to me, the fact that he quit the band.

There is another thing that bothers me. I've made my own album with the tracks that were supposed to be on the 'Adult/Child' album and I've been playing it more than a lot lately. People complained about 'Love You' being too childish, but with that album, I think Brian found the perfect balance between funny, quirky (Hey Little Tomboy, Lines, It's Trying To Say) and beautiful, sincere and tremendous ballads (It's Over Now, Deep Purple, My Diane, Still I Dream Of It). 'Love You' had some great ballads, too, but nowhere near as emotional, powerful, touching and personal. I think that was the closest Brian ever came to sharing his true feelings and insecurities, even though they are  presented as "love songs". In my opinion, the band made a huge mistake by not releasing it. Far, far superior than 'M.I.U'. I don't know the exact story behind who was against it, I think Mike hated it and was quoted as asking Brian "What is this sh*t?" (Correct me if I'm wrong). I've also read that the band presented the album to Capitol but they didn't like it. However, it's a big shame. Brian proved with 'Love You', followed by the 'Adult Child' material, at least to me, that he really was back.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 13, 2012, 11:32:44 AM
The new album is going to debut on #3 on the Billboard album list, making this the 3rd highest charting Beach Boys studio album in the USA ever, and their highest charting studio album since 1965. Reviews are generally positive, mostly 3 or 4 star ratings on a scale of 1 to 5.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: TomMo on June 23, 2012, 04:07:09 PM
A lot of Beach Boys fan don't like him, but I don't think he's as much of a bad guy as some people like to think. People dislike him for his lame sense of humor, because he's usually far from humble in interviews and because he often gave Brian and Dennis a hard time. But then again, I'm sure Brian and Dennis were often impossible to deal with. Even Carl got fed up with them in the mid/late 70s.

Hey, Joost. I wouldn't dare challenge you as a BB expert, although my knowledge is pretty extensive. We should compare notes sometime.

When I was 17, I used my BS skills to get back stage and "interview" Mike, supposedly for my school newspaper. He gave me an hour of his time. He was very gracious and forthcoming, except for sidestepping any discussion about Brian (the world did not yet know how bad off Brian was at that point). I found him to be very intellectual and fan-friendly.

Al Jardine, on the other hand, was rude and crude IMHO. Carl made me laugh. The "Box Tops" were the opening act, and Carl was going around putting handwritten signs on the dressing room doors. On the Box Top's door, he posted a sign that said "Cereal Heads" and on the BB's door, his sign read "Surfin' Safaris". He seemed to be doing it for his own amusement. I did not see Bruce or Dennis.

By pure happenstance, I've met some people associated with the BB's (roadies, engineers, sidemen), and every single one said that once Brian was more or less out of the picture, Carl became the leader, but often butted heads with Mike.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on June 23, 2012, 04:11:47 PM
Hey, Joost. I wouldn't dare challenge you as a BB expert, although my knowledge is pretty extensive. We should compare notes sometime.

When I was 17, I used my BS skills to get back stage and "interview" Mike, supposedly for my school newspaper. He gave me an hour of his time. He was very gracious and forthcoming, except for sidestepping any discussion about Brian (the world did not yet know how bad off Brian was at that point). I found him to be very intellectual and fan-friendly.

Al Jardine, on the other hand, was rude and crude IMHO. Carl made me laugh. The "Box Tops" were the opening act, and Carl was going around putting handwritten signs on the dressing room doors. On the Box Top's door, he posted a sign that said "Cereal Heads" and on the BB's door, his sign read "Surfin' Safaris". He seemed to be doing it for his own amusement. I did not see Bruce or Dennis.

By pure happenstance, I've met some people associated with the BB's (roadies, engineers, sidemen), and every single one said that once Brian was more or less out of the picture, Carl became the leader, but often butted heads with Mike.

Great story. What year was it?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: TomMo on June 24, 2012, 04:07:18 PM
Great story. What year was it?


1969 was the year. That was my 4th BB concert. Also saw them on their Maharishi tour in '68, and later saw them with Chicago (a fantastic show which I've always hoped had been recorded). Carl singing "Saturday In The Park" was a treat. And the finale, with both bands doing "Fun, Fun, Fun", was awesome.

I have not seen the BB's on their reunion tour. Instead, I saw Brian on his most recent tour, which for me was like paying homage to the Master. At BW's concert, I bought a T-shirt. On two occasions while I was wearing it, I met Steve Desper, their engineer in the post-Pet Sounds era, and also met one of their 1970's roadies (whose name escapes me). Seems like a lot of BB associates have moved down here to Florida.

Another BB associate, who some of you may be more familiar with is "Dr. Chuck". He used to do the original "Breakfast With The Beatles" radio show, and also lives down here. He occasionally sits in with the BB's and has an extensive Beatles collection (including a few "Butcher Covers". So, occasionally I pick up little tidbits of BB and Beatle information from him and Steve.

http://www.teddwebb.com/showcase/where_are_they_now/dr_chuck_stevens.html (http://www.teddwebb.com/showcase/where_are_they_now/dr_chuck_stevens.html)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: TomMo on June 24, 2012, 04:21:35 PM
I think because Mike was simply proven right, from a commercial point of view.

The turning point in the Beach Boys career was probably their "no-show" at Monterey Pop in 1967. Had Brian been able to complete "Smile" back in the day, the Beach Boys might have won acceptance by the so-called "hipsters" (the usual San Fransisco crowd) who attended Monterey. This was the same festival that introduced the world to Hendrix, Joplin, The Who (who were still a second tier band at that point), and Otis Redding (his first appearance before a largely white audience).

Unfortunately, the Beach Boys failure to appear (even though Brian was one of the "organizers") led to them being regarded as passe'; nothing but a surfing band.

I've always believed that Mike's big problem was with Brian working with other collaborators (Tony Asher, Van Dyke Parks), thus cutting him out of the lucrative songwriter royalties.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 25, 2012, 09:03:42 AM
The turning point in the Beach Boys career was probably their "no-show" at Monterey Pop in 1967. Had Brian been able to complete "Smile" back in the day, the Beach Boys might have won acceptance by the so-called "hipsters" (the usual San Fransisco crowd) who attended Monterey.

First of all: really cool that you got to meet The Beach Boys and that you saw them live in the 60s!

I'm not too sure if 'Smile' would have been such a huge success if it would've been released in 1967. Even 'Pet Sounds', which was a much more accessible album (including four hit singles) than 'Smile' would have been, was a relative commercial failure by Beach Boys standards. And 'Heroes and Villains', easily the most commercial one of all the 'Smile' songs, more or less flopped as a single.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 25, 2012, 09:07:50 AM
Hey, Joost. I wouldn't dare challenge you as a BB expert, although my knowledge is pretty extensive. We should compare notes sometime.

When I was 17, I used my BS skills to get back stage and "interview" Mike, supposedly for my school newspaper. He gave me an hour of his time. He was very gracious and forthcoming, except for sidestepping any discussion about Brian (the world did not yet know how bad off Brian was at that point). I found him to be very intellectual and fan-friendly.

Al Jardine, on the other hand, was rude and crude IMHO. Carl made me laugh. The "Box Tops" were the opening act, and Carl was going around putting handwritten signs on the dressing room doors. On the Box Top's door, he posted a sign that said "Cereal Heads" and on the BB's door, his sign read "Surfin' Safaris". He seemed to be doing it for his own amusement. I did not see Bruce or Dennis.

Well, I've read about quite some first-hand experiences that fans had with The Beach Boys, and it seems there are very positive as well as very negative stories about each of them. Some people say that Al was one of the friendliest and more charming people they've ever met and that Mike was a complete d*ck, other people will tell you the exact opposite. I guess that they all just have good and bad days just like everyone else...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on June 25, 2012, 11:58:46 AM
TomMo and Joost, are you familiar with the "cocaine sessions" ? I've found a bootleg, which lists the following songs :

'Yeahhh'
'Oh Lord'
'City Blues'
'Piano'
'You've Been Part 1'
'You've Been Part 2'
'I Feel So Fine'
'Heroes and Villains'

I've listened to it, and it's extremely weird. Apart from the fact that it's barely audible, the songs are just...very  sad and unsetteling. In 'Oh Lord' you can't hear anything from the verses, but then all of a sudden you hear Brian screaming from the top of his lungs. It's soul-shaking. Then you've got the spooky 'Heroes and Villains' and the heartbreaking moment when at the end of 'I Feel So Fine', Brian bursts with joy telling everybody that he just made that up, like it's some kind of masterpiece.

The bootleg also came with this picture, but it looks more like '77/'78, rather than '82, doesn't it?

(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5271/bbcocaine.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/bbcocaine.jpg/)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: TomMo on June 26, 2012, 12:08:53 AM
First of all: really cool that you got to meet The Beach Boys and that you saw them live in the 60s!

I'm not too sure if 'Smile' would have been such a huge success if it would've been released in 1967. Even 'Pet Sounds', which was a much more accessible album (including four hit singles) than 'Smile' would have been, was a relative commercial failure by Beach Boys standards. And 'Heroes and Villains', easily the most commercial one of all the 'Smile' songs, more or less flopped as a single.

That's a hard call, Joost. There were a lot of things that prevented "Pet Sounds" from being a commercial success. The Beach Boys were competing against themselves with the release of "Summer Days" shortly before the release of PS. Capitol Records didn't promote PS, which made no sense since it was the most expensive record to produce (in those days). All of the singles from the album sold well, except for "Caroline, No", which was released as a Brian Wilson single. But the album DID make it to #10 on the American charts.

As for "Smile", Brian Wilson had the tremendous respect of the recording industry in those years. "Smile" was legendary before its release. If it had been released AND if the Beach Boys had appeared at the Monterey Pop Festival, I think it would have been well received. But to pull it off, they would have needed to include sidemen on stage, something they had not done up to that point.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: TomMo on June 26, 2012, 09:40:54 PM
I am usually not a fan of "tribute" groups, but give these guys a listen. They are a British group called "Beach Boys Smile".

BBS sing "Surfer Girl" live a capella (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DGf62cvGmo#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 27, 2012, 03:07:59 AM
^

It's like 1963 all over again!  What a fine group!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 27, 2012, 11:16:18 AM
I am usually not a fan of "tribute" groups, but give these guys a listen. They are a British group called "Beach Boys Smile".

BBS sing "Surfer Girl" live a capella ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DGf62cvGmo#ws[/url])


That's impressive. I've never heard a Beach Boys cover that came closer to the original than this one.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on July 04, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
I was lately listening to All Summer Long, Today! and Summer Days several times, they're all very good albums. It was a nice surprise because I was only familiar with Pet Sounds and most of their hits. The Beach Boys are certainly up there with the Beatles and the Byrds forming the Holy Trinity of the mid-60's.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on July 04, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
I was lately listening to All Summer Long, Today! and Summer Days several times, they're all very good albums. It was a nice surprise because I was only familiar with Pet Sounds and most of their hits. The Beach Boys are certainly up there with the Beatles and the Byrds forming the Holy Trinity of the mid-60's.

Those are great albums and The Beach Boys definitely have lots and lots of hidden treasures both before 'Pet Sounds', with Brian as a leader, and after, with him hoping in from time to time and helping a band that has already developed and learned how to rise up to their full potential even without him.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on July 04, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Those are great albums and The Beach Boys definitely have lots and lots of hidden treasures both before 'Pet Sounds', with Brian as a leader, and after, with him hoping from time to time and helping a band that has already developed and learned how to rise up to their full potential even without him.

I've also listened to Friends and Sunflower a couple of times, but wasn't very impressed by them. I guess that as a casual fan I just look for their classic sound.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on July 05, 2012, 07:03:13 AM
The problem with the early Beach Boys albums is that the band was supposed to release about three albums a year, so there are a lot of filler tracks that prevent those albums from being real classics. And that's a shame, cause if you'd leave off all the crap from the ten pre-Pet Sounds albums, you'd have enough material left to create six or seven really amazing albums.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on July 05, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
The problem with the early Beach Boys albums is that the band was supposed to release about three albums a year, so there are a lot of filler tracks that prevent those albums from being real classics. And that's a shame, cause if you'd leave off all the crap from the ten pre-Pet Sounds albums, you'd have enough material left to create six or seven really amazing albums.

Yes. However I think that the three pre-Pet Sounds albums I mentioned are great despite some few fillers. I haven't listened to the albums released for Christmas beyond the well known hits, but for what I've read I guess I shouldn't expect marvelous things from them.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on July 05, 2012, 01:42:08 PM
Yes. However I think that the three pre-Pet Sounds albums I mentioned are great despite some few fillers. I haven't listened to the albums released for Christmas beyond the well known hits, but for what I've read I guess I shouldn't expect marvelous things from them.

You ought to check 'Surfer Girl', a great early Beach Boys album with superb ballads such as 'Surfer Girl, 'In My Room', 'Your Summer Dream' and 'Surfer Moon'.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on July 05, 2012, 02:20:12 PM
Yes. However I think that the three pre-Pet Sounds albums I mentioned are great despite some few fillers. I haven't listened to the albums released for Christmas beyond the well known hits, but for what I've read I guess I shouldn't expect marvelous things from them.

There are a few gems on almost all of the early albums. I agree that 'Surfer Girl' is certainly recommended.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on July 05, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
I know the songs "Surfer Girl" and "In My Room" very well, both great ballads. I must listen to the whole album.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 07, 2012, 10:03:32 AM
I'm going to see them live tonight for the first time! I've been to several Brian Wilson shows, but never to The Beach Boys yet.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nimrod on August 07, 2012, 01:13:08 PM
I'm going to see them live tonight for the first time! I've been to several Brian Wilson shows, but never to The Beach Boys yet.

have a great time, Id love to see them
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 08, 2012, 02:35:25 AM
I'm going to see them live tonight for the first time! I've been to several Brian Wilson shows, but never to The Beach Boys yet.

Yes, have a good time, Joost.  Let us know how they were.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Dcazz on August 10, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
I saw them in 1974-5 in Foxboro, Massachussetts and Loggins and Messina opened for them finishing their set with "Your Mama Don't Dance"!  Good show!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 12, 2012, 04:42:15 AM
How were they, Joost?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 13, 2012, 07:33:36 AM
It was very cool. I never saw them in person yet (except for Brian), so that was great. It was nice to see how they really "owned" the place. I never thought of Mike Love as a particularly good frontman, but he was more charismatic than I expected. Brian seemed tired and bored, but all the others seemed to have a blast. Only downside for me was the greatest hits setlist without any "rarities", I would have loved to hear a few tracks from 'Sunflower' (they did a few earlier on the tour).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 13, 2012, 02:41:08 PM
More expensive times ahead for Beach Boys fans:

- There will be two new hit compilations: the 20 song CD 'Greatest Hits' and it's 50 song two disc version '50 Big Ones'. Yeah, as if we needed any more hit compilations... If you need a Beach Boys hit compilation, just get 'Sounds of Summer', which is as complete as a one disc Beach Boys hit compilation will ever get.

- Remastered versions of the following twelve albums will be released on CD: Surfin'  USA, Surfer Girl, Little Deuce Coupe, Shut Down Volume 2, All Summer Long, Today!, Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!), Party, Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile, Sunflower and Surf's Up. All albums will include mono as well as stereo mixes, except for Sunflower and Surf's Up, those will be stereo only as they were never released in mono. This will be the first time that Smiley Smile, Party, Today! and Summer Days this will be available in stereo.

- A career-spanning Beach Boys 50th Anniversary box set is planned for release later this year. No further details yet. Rumor is that the box set will be mostly or entirely made up of rare & unreleased material.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on August 13, 2012, 03:56:37 PM
If you need a Beach Boys hit compilation, just get 'Sounds of Summer', which is as complete as a one disc Beach Boys hit compilation will ever get.

That's the Beach Boys compilation I have, and I like it a lot despite a few lousy post-60's hits. It was a good introduction that made me move to look for some original Beach Boys albums.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on August 13, 2012, 06:16:55 PM
- Remastered versions of the following twelve albums will be released on CD: Surfin'  USA, Surfer Girl, Little Deuce Coupe, Shut Down Volume 2, All Summer Long, Today!, Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!), Party, Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile, Sunflower and Surf's Up. All albums will include mono as well as stereo mixes, except for Sunflower and Surf's Up, those will be stereo only as they were never released in mono. This will be the first time that Smiley Smile, Party, Today! and Summer Days this will be available in stereo.

By the way, do you know if the songs "I Get Around" and "All Summer Long" will be available in stereo as well in the All Summer Long album?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 14, 2012, 07:03:59 AM
By the way, do you know if the songs "I Get Around" and "All Summer Long" will be available in stereo as well in the All Summer Long album?

Apparently, yes. For years it's been said that it was impossible to make stereo mixes of some Beach Boys songs (including I Get Around and Good Vibrations) because the multi track master tapes are lost, but from what I've read they've used some new methods to split elements of these songs.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on August 14, 2012, 01:40:05 PM
Apparently, yes. For years it's been said that it was impossible to make stereo mixes of some Beach Boys songs (including I Get Around and Good Vibrations) because the multi track master tapes are lost, but from what I've read they've used some new methods to split elements of these songs.

I see, it's like the case of the Beatles' "She Loves You". But from what you say it would be made by an artificial method and not from the original multitrack master.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 14, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
From what I understand, that's indeed the case.

Unfortionately some Beach Boys songs are impossible to be mixed in true stereo. Problem is that in the 60s, some people didn't realize yet how much historical value the recordings that they were making were going to have. The master tapes for the vocal sessions for Good Vibrations were thrown in the garbage in early 1967 during a clean-out of the archives of the Columbia Studios (only the master tapes of the instrumental sessions still excist). The original vocals on the master tape for I Get Around were wiped off when the band created a fake live version of the song for the 'Concert' album. The master tapes for at least one song (can't recall which one) simply went missing when Brian took them out of the archives when they were compiling 'Stack-O-Tracks'.

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 14, 2012, 08:10:30 PM
It was very cool. I never saw them in person yet (except for Brian), so that was great. It was nice to see how they really "owned" the place. I never thought of Mike Love as a particularly good frontman, but he was more charismatic than I expected. Brian seemed tired and bored, but all the others seemed to have a blast. Only downside for me was the greatest hits setlist without any "rarities", I would have loved to hear a few tracks from 'Sunflower' (they did a few earlier on the tour).

You finally got to see a Beach Boys concert, Joost.  I'm happy for you.  It was a long wait!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on August 14, 2012, 08:53:02 PM
It was very cool. I never saw them in person yet (except for Brian), so that was great. It was nice to see how they really "owned" the place. I never thought of Mike Love as a particularly good frontman, but he was more charismatic than I expected. Brian seemed tired and bored, but all the others seemed to have a blast. Only downside for me was the greatest hits setlist without any "rarities", I would have loved to hear a few tracks from 'Sunflower' (they did a few earlier on the tour).

What was the best moment? What was the worst moment? Was it well presented? Did they do an encore?

I'm so jealous Joost because I'm not going to get to see them. And so I probably never will...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 14, 2012, 09:35:14 PM
What was the best moment? What was the worst moment? Was it well presented? Did they do an encore?

I'm so jealous Joost because I'm not going to get to see them. And so I probably never will...

Best: God Only Knows. Listening to my all-time favorite song, performed live by my favorite band, while I had my arms around my girlfriend... Not just the best moment of the concert but one of the best moments ever.

Worst: I thought it was just painful to look at Brian. I felt sorry for him because it was clear that he wasn't having a good time.

Presentation: Not spectaculair (no stage decorations or anything), but especially Mike and Al look so comfortable on stage, they could probably play a Beach Boys show in their sleep. You could tell that these guys did this literally thousands of times before, they know what they're doing. Impressive.

Encore: Kokomo, Barbara Ann and Fun, Fun, Fun.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on August 15, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
Best: God Only Knows. Listening to my all-time favorite song, performed live by my favorite band, while I had my arms around my girlfriend... Not just the best moment of the concert but one of the best moments ever.

Worst: I thought it was just painful to look at Brian. I felt sorry for him because it was clear that he wasn't having a good time.

Presentation: Not spectaculair (no stage decorations or anything), but especially Mike and Al look so comfortable on stage, they could probably play a Beach Boys show in their sleep. You could tell that these guys did this literally thousands of times before, they know what they're doing. Impressive.

Encore: Kokomo, Barbara Ann and Fun, Fun, Fun.

Thanks Joost. I imagine I'd have similar reactions. I'm still pretty jealous!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on August 16, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
Sad to hear that it seems like Brian is bored and detached from the whole reunion tour. I think his interest in being a Beach Boy pretty much faded sometime in the late '60s/early '70s or so. I get the fuzzy sensation in the back of my mind that he'll leave them. But hey, at least they're out there, giving the public one last hurrah. I'd like to see them just once live before the next one dies. This is the remnant of my favorite band.

Anyway. Speaking of...

 (http://youtu.be/IkLLJnaHjrQ)

 (http://youtu.be/nWf9bHhiLG0)

http://youtu.be/3SAEVgm1Z6w (http://youtu.be/3SAEVgm1Z6w)

Underrated songs.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 17, 2012, 07:12:49 AM
Sad to hear that it seems like Brian is bored and detached from the whole reunion tour. I think his interest in being a Beach Boy pretty much faded sometime in the late '60s/early '70s or so. I get the fuzzy sensation in the back of my mind that he'll leave them. But hey, at least they're out there, giving the public one last hurrah. I'd like to see them just once live before the next one dies. This is the remnant of my favorite band.

I do think that Brian enjoys being with the guys again, he's just never been comfortable with being on stage. I thought he did alright the four times I saw him as a solo artist, but now that he's not the sole centre of attention but just a member of the band, he just seems to allow himself to doze off a little bit every now and then.

If you keep all the greedy personal managers and lawyers away, I think that Brian, Mike, Al and David are still the same old guys that grew up together more than half a century ago. The way Brian reacted to Al coming over to his side of the stage during 'Kokomo' and the way he took Mike's hand after the encore said enough for me. These guys like being around each other.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on August 17, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
I do think that Brian enjoys being with the guys again, he's just never been comfortable with being on stage. I thought he did alright the four times I saw him as a solo artist, but now that he's not the sole centre of attention but just a member of the band, he just seems to allow himself to doze off a little bit every now and then.

If you keep all the greedy personal managers and lawyers away, I think that Brian, Mike, Al and David are still the same old guys that grew up together more than half a century ago. The way Brian reacted to Al coming over to his side of the stage during 'Kokomo' and the way he took Mike's hand after the encore said enough for me. These guys like being around each other.


You're right, Brian probably does find some good feeling being with the guys again. But...

1. Brian has, indeed, never felt comfortable on the stage, though has made good progress in the last few years on his own. Going out there now, it feels different because he's not at the center of it, really. It's natural he'd act differently.

2. No matter how much he loves those guys, there still are undoubtedly bad memories that may come up being with Mike, Al, etc.

3. Most of all, I'm thinking a lot of the reason Brian may be more reserved on the reunion tour is that he must miss Carl and Dennis, true original Beach Boys and his brothers, greatly. That most leave a pall over the whole proceedings. It of course can't help but come to the minds of fans, too.

Various beautiful things:

http://youtu.be/wvzp3rfPL4k (http://youtu.be/wvzp3rfPL4k)

http://youtu.be/0YGXJH1KjSs (http://youtu.be/0YGXJH1KjSs)

http://youtu.be/ofByti7A4uM (http://youtu.be/ofByti7A4uM)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 22, 2012, 07:02:24 AM
- A career-spanning Beach Boys 50th Anniversary box set is planned for release later this year. No further details yet. Rumor is that the box set will be mostly or entirely made up of rare & unreleased material.

The title will be 'Made in California' and it will be a 6 CD set. Price will likely be comparable to the price of the Smile Sessions box set.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 22, 2012, 07:22:13 AM
2. No matter how much he loves those guys, there still are undoubtedly bad memories that may come up being with Mike, Al, etc.
Probably, but if you're family and you literally grew up together, or if you've been friends for over half a century, I think you can get over the bad memories. They've been on such a long, amazing and often beautiful trip together. And for as far as I know, Brian never really had any problems with Al, David and Bruce. Plus, he's got 3/4 of his own backing band with him on stage and his wife is always at the side of the stage with him.

3. Most of all, I'm thinking a lot of the reason Brian may be more reserved on the reunion tour is that he must miss Carl and Dennis, true original Beach Boys and his brothers, greatly. That most leave a pall over the whole proceedings. It of course can't help but come to the minds of fans, too.
Could be, but they've been gone for 29 and 14 years, respectively. And I think that as adults they were never really that close to begin with. Brian was usually at home or in the studio, Carl was on tour half of the time and Dennis was either on tour or doing whatever he did. So it would surprise me if that's still much of an issue for Brian. But then again, who knows.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 28, 2012, 01:07:52 PM
It's currently all over the news that Brian, Al and David were fired from The Beach Boys by Mike. That's entirely untrue.

Thing is: The Beach Boys as a company (a.k.a. BRI, Brother Records Industries) and The Beach Boys as a live band (a.k.a. The Mike & Bruce Band) are two seperate things.

BRI has four shareholders: Brian, Mike, Al and Carl's estate (Dennis's estate sold his share to the other four, Bruce and David were never shareholders). Those four parties legally make up The Beach Boys and get to decide what's done with the band's legacy. Obviously no BRI shareholder can possibly fire another BRI shareholder.

The live band is a different thing. Many years ago, BRI sold the exclusive license to perform live as The Beach Boys to Mike. So he can go on stage with whoever he wants and call it The Beach Boys, and ever since 1998 he's chosen to tour with just Bruce and a bunch of hired hands. It's been that way for 14 years. Ever since this 50th anniversary thing was announced, the plan was that the five remaining Beach Boys would do one more tour together, and after that the old Mike & Bruce Band would go back to business as usual. Thing is, apparently Brian and Al have changed their minds and want to keep touring with Mike, Bruce and David. And so far it seems that Mike's not too crazy about the idea.

That's really the whole story.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on September 29, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Thanks for clarifying, Joost.

The title will be 'Made in California' and it will be a 6 CD set. Price will likely be comparable to the price of the Smile Sessions box set.

Any further important details on this one? Will it have 'Wouldn't It Be Nice(To Live Again)' or 'You've Lost That Loving Feeling'?

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 30, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
It was supposed to come out in November but I believe it's now delayed until January 2013. For as far as I know no song titles have been mentioned yet, but I would be surprised if Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again wouldn't be on it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
Mike's reaction to the whole "firing" thing:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-mike-love-beach-boys-on-brian-wilson-20121004,0,6311413.story (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-mike-love-beach-boys-on-brian-wilson-20121004,0,6311413.story)

Quite a beautiful open letter, if you ask me. And I can't disagree with anything he writes here.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on October 08, 2012, 12:42:35 PM
BRI has four shareholders: Brian, Mike, Al and Carl's estate (Dennis's estate sold his share to the other four, Bruce and David were never shareholders). Those four parties legally make up The Beach Boys and get to decide what's done with the band's legacy. Obviously no BRI shareholder can possibly fire another BRI shareholder.

The live band is a different thing. Many years ago, BRI sold the exclusive license to perform live as The Beach Boys to Mike. So he can go on stage with whoever he wants and call it The Beach Boys, and ever since 1998 he's chosen to tour with just Bruce and a bunch of hired hands.

In his letter Mike Love says :

The name "The Beach Boys" is controlled by Brother Records Inc., which was founded by the original members of the Beach Boys and whose sole shareholders voted over a decade ago to grant me an exclusive license to tour as "The Beach Boys." With it, I’ve felt a great responsibility to uphold, honor and further our legacy. For better or worse, I’ve been a constant link to the history of the Beach Boys through every live performance -- bar none.

So that means Four Beach Boys gave the right to One Beach Boy to tour pretending to be Five Beach Boys. And even if Three Beach Boys disagree with the One Beach Boy then this One Beach Boy is now saying "You're not the Beach Boys so I'll do what I want and make the most of all the publicity surrounding the fiftieth anniversary of the Five Beach Boys and pretend I'm you. By the way I love you profoundly so I'll pretend I'm defending your legacy when in fact I'm making as much money as I can for me and my friend Bruce.I'm doing this for better or worse. No, actually it's just for the worse so I can tarnish the Good Vibrations".

God ol' Mike and his Spirit of America.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2012, 02:18:21 PM
So that means Four Beach Boys gave the right to One Beach Boy to tour pretending to be Five Beach Boys. And even if Three Beach Boys disagree with the One Beach Boy then this One Beach Boy is now saying "You're not the Beach Boys so I'll do what I want and make the most of all the publicity surrounding the fiftieth anniversary of the Five Beach Boys and pretend I'm you. By the way I love you profoundly so I'll pretend I'm defending your legacy when in fact I'm making as much money as I can for me and my friend Bruce.I'm doing this for better or worse. No, actually it's just for the worse so I can tarnish the Good Vibrations".

1. Around 1998, Dennis and Carl were dead, Brian wasn't into being a Beach Boy anymore and Al was tired of being part of a golden oldies jukebox. Mike wanted to keep going. So yes, he got an official blessing from the others.

2. Mike and Bruce have never pretended to be the original Beach Boys. In all the promotional material and interviews I've seen of the Beach Boys' pre-reunion live band, they've always been very open about the fact that it would be just the two of them.

3. Read the article carefully. Mike Love does not have the authority to tell Brian or Al if they are Beach Boys or not. He however does have the authority to hire or fire them from the live band. Because Brian and Al gave him that authority.

4. The part about "defending the legacy" actually makes a whole lot of sense. The reunion line-up played glorious, sold out concerts in stadiums and prestigious concert halls. The Mike & Bruce Band is a different thing, they usually play casinos, county fairs and private parties. The full line-up including Brian, Al and Dave is too special for that circuit (for which a new tour had already been booked before the big reunion tour), that's all that Mike was trying to say. And I think he's absolutely right about that.

5. Why would two 70+ year old millionaires keep doing their jobs, unless they really, really love doing it? Mike has for the past 51 years been a member of the best-selling American band ever and co-wrote some of their biggest hits. Bruce has been a member of that same band for 42 years, wrote a #1 hit for Barry Manilow and inherited even more money from his parents than he ever made with his music. They don't need to make money anymore. They're doing what they like.

I'm not Mike Love's biggest fan. I don't think he's a very nice person. But thinking that everything that has ever gone wrong with The Beach Boys has been his fault is far from the truth. People like to think of Brian as the hero and Mike as the villain, but it's not that black and white.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on October 08, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
Read the article carefully. Mike Love does not have the authority to tell Brian or Al if they are Beach Boys or not. He however does have the authority to hire or fire them from the live band. Because Brian and Al gave him that authority.

I'm not Mike Love's biggest fan. I don't think he's a very nice person. But thinking that everything that has ever gone wrong with The Beach Boys has been his fault is far from the truth. People like to think of Brian as the hero and Mike as the villain, but it's not that black and white.

Yes Joost I read the article carefully. I just find that in this particular case Mike hasn't been very clever by applying immediately the strict terms of the contract. I don't accept that he can claim on the one hand that they are all loving brothers blah blah and then on the other hand that he can't make an exception in the the current situation.
This confirms what you say about him not being a very nice person!
And I'm always surprised that people who have got a lot of money always seem to want more.
But OK maybe you're right. I'm just a bit sceptical!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2012, 05:19:55 PM
It's not really about the strict terms of a contract. It's much more complicated than that. The Mike & Bruce Band and the band that did the reunion tour are both named The Beach Boys, but they're two entirely different organizations with a different staff, different backing musicians, different managers... Brian took most of his own band plus his whole family with him on the last tour, Al and Dave both had their people... The reunion tour version of the band is just too big (literally and figuratively) to play the small and humble casinos & state fairs tour that was already booked for the Mike & Bruce Band well before the reunion tour even started.

And you've got to give Mike a little bit of credit. As much as I love the Wilson brothers, I'm sure it was often a nightmare having to work with them. Dennis was a short-fused drug and alcohol addict who often got into fist fights with Mike, slept with at least one of his wives and married his daughter just to p*ss him off. Carl seemed stable, but he too was addicted to drugs and alcohol for a few years. And Brian, we all know his story. Despite all the madness around him, Mike was always there, keeping the band going. And after 51 years, he's still there, carrying the torch, probably until the day he drops. You've got to give him some respect for that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on October 08, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
And you've got to give Mike a little bit of credit. As much as I love the Wilson brothers, I'm sure it was often a nightmare having to work with them. Dennis was a short-fused drug and alcohol addict who often got into fist fights with Mike, slept with at least one of his wives and married his daughter just to p*ss him off. Carl seemed stable, but he too was addicted to drugs and alcohol for a few years. And Brian, we all know his story. Despite all the madness around him, Mike was always there, keeping the band going. And after 51 years, he's still there, carrying the torch, probably until the day he drops. You've got to give him some respect for that.

I my opinion where there's a will there's a way. Mike could at least have postponed his tour and extended the reunion tour. And by doing what he's doing he's not 'carrying the torch' but extinguishing it.

And if he hates Dennis then what's he doing on stage doing a tribute to him?

And what of Al Jardine in all this? Wasn't he the one to be most offended by Mike's attitude?

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on October 08, 2012, 10:14:42 PM
Pet Sounds
The Smile Sessions
Sunflower
Surf's Up
Brian Wilson
Brian Wilson presents Smile
That's Why God Made The Radio

What do I go for next?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2012, 10:17:03 PM
I my opinion where there's a will there's a way. Mike could at least have postponed his tour and extended the reunion tour. And by doing what he's doing he's not 'carrying the torch' but extinguishing it.

And if he hates Dennis then what's he doing on stage doing a tribute to him?

And what of Al Jardine in all this? Wasn't he the one to be most offended by Mike's attitude?

If there's a will, then Brian, Al and David can wait until this tour (which was already planned well before they agreed to do a temporary reunion) is over.

Where exactly did I say that Mike hated Dennis? I can't look into his mind. I only said that IF Mike was annoyed by Dennis's behavior, he had several good reasons for that.

Al does have the right to be offended, I can't really argue with that.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 08, 2012, 10:26:30 PM
Pet Sounds
The Smile Sessions
Sunflower
Surf's Up
Brian Wilson
Brian Wilson presents Smile

What do I go for next?

Depends.

Today! if you want to hear the missing link between early Beach Boys and Pet Sounds.
Friends if you want to hear them chilling out, not trying hard but succeeding anyway.
Smiley Smile for a cool and crazy "Smile's not going to happen, f*ck it, let's get stoned" party
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on October 09, 2012, 05:20:06 PM
Brian has replied to Mike !  cheer1  It seems to leave the door open for more real Beach Boys concerts. cheer1

 What do you think Joost? Here it is :

I've been asked to respond to a letter that my cousin Mike wrote to the L.A. Times regarding the circumstances of the last couple weeks and the confusion of the future of The Beach Boys. Normally I wouldn't respond to something like this, but because I love what the 50th has done for the band's image and its legacy, I feel I need to.

First, I want to say that the last few months have been some of the happiest in my life. Recording "That's Why God Made The Radio" was a dream come true, to be able to co-write and produce an album for the boys and have it so well received by fans all over the world was the best!

The tour that followed blew away all my expectations. We had a blast, the fans were so supportive and I loved being able to record and sing with the guys.  My only regret was that Carl and Dennis were not there to share this experience with us.


Now on to the rumors: As far as I know I can't be fired--that wouldn't be cool. The negativity surrounding all the comments bummed me out. What's confusing is that by Mike not wanting or letting Al, David and me tour with the band, it sort of feels like we're being fired.

What's a bummer to Al and me is that we have numerous offers to continue, so why wouldn't we want to? We all poured our hearts and souls into that album and the fans rewarded us by giving us a No. 3 debut on the Billboard charts, and selling out our shows. We were all blown away by the response.

Al and I would like to be included in the continuous promotion of "That's Why God Made The Radio." That's what I've been doing for over a decade: making records and going out and supporting them. It's what I do. Capitol Records has been so cool to us this year in terms of supporting the 50th and I personally want to say thanks.


Mike kept saying throughout the tour "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts," and both Al and I agree, which made us all think that he wanted to continue. We originally started out with 50 shows, but the success and the demand kept growing and we obliged.  No one knew in the beginning that this was going to be so rewarding and popular with our fans. Once we got cooking we were all stoked!

After Mike booked a couple of shows with Bruce, Al and I were, of course, disappointed. Then there was confusion in some markets when photos of me, Al and David and the 50th reunion band appeared on websites advertising his shows.

At that point my attorney merely suggested to Mike's attorney that a possible press release in those markets might be appropriate to stop the confusion, which was in no one's best interest. That's it, plain and simple, and a strategy was open for discussion, which never happened.

That’s why I was completely blindsided by his press release. I had no idea that it was coming out, since it was crafted by Mike's personal PR firm without my knowledge or approval. No one in my camp would have approved it or the timing.

I'm disappointed that Mike would now say that the release was done at the request of my representative. The first I heard about it was at the Grammy Museum event. We hadn't even discussed as a band what we were going to do with all the offers that were coming in for more 50th shows.

Al and I just assumed based on everyone's enthusiasm we would at least want to take those offers into consideration since we all knew about them. I mean, who wouldn't want to play the Hollywood Bowl again, Madison Square Garden and Wrigley Field? And what better way to celebrate New Year's Eve than with the 50th band? That would have blown the lid off things.

There were also offers for more shows in the U.K. and markets we weren't able to play during the tour. As I said before, it's my opinion that we should all go out together as the Beach Boys in support of all our new releases. We really weren't out on the road that long for an anniversary of this magnitude and I actually think we should make one last record together.

It's Al and my opinion that all of us together makes for a great representation of the Beach Boys.

While I appreciate the nice cool things Mike said about me in his letter, and I do and always will love him as my cousin and bandmate, at the same time I'm still left wondering why he doesn't want to continue this great trip we're on. Al and I want to keep going because we believe we owe it to the music.

That's it in a nutshell, all these conversations need to be between the shareholders, and I welcome Mike to call me.

In any case happy anniversary, I loved it and I think we knocked it out of the park for what it's worth.

Love and Mercy, 

Brian Wilson
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 10, 2012, 01:15:35 PM
I think it's great that Brian's so enthousiastic about the reunion and that he wants to keep touring as a Beach Boy. And if Brian wants to be a full time Beach Boy again, than he and Mike (and Al, and David) should work it out. When there's a will, there's a way.

I do think that Brian should be patient and let Mike and Bruce wrap things up with their version of the band. That band has been touring for 14 years now, you can't just ask them to drop everything and cancel tours that were already booked months ago.

I also think that these guys should learn to communicate with each other personally, instead of through the media or their lawyers. Will they ever learn? roll:)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on October 10, 2012, 05:16:59 PM
I also think that these guys should learn to communicate with each other personally, instead of through the media or their lawyers. Will they ever learn? roll:)

God only knows !
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on October 10, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
Who is in Mike and Bruce's band exactly? Are Mike's kids in there? Is that why he sings on Daybreak Over The Ocean?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on October 11, 2012, 03:39:53 AM
Pet Sounds
The Smile Sessions
Sunflower
Surf's Up
Brian Wilson
Brian Wilson presents Smile
That's Why God Made The Radio

What do I go for next?

If you're looking for their classic sound, I would recommend you All Summer Long, Today! and Summer Days; other than Pet Sounds, those are the most essential albums. A greatest hits collection focussed on the mid-60's period is also highly recommendable.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 11, 2012, 09:08:56 AM
Who is in Mike and Bruce's band exactly? Are Mike's kids in there? Is that why he sings on Daybreak Over The Ocean?

Scott Totten, Christian Love (Mike's son), Randel Kirsch, Tim Bonhomme, John Cowsill (of The Cowsills), and sometimes John Stamos (the Full House guy).
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 11, 2012, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from Andrew G. Doe on a Beach Boys forum:
Quote
June 26th - in a Rolling Stone article, Mike announces he's booked post-C50 dates with the BRI-sanctioned lineup. Brian comments "I wasn't aware that Mike had some shows in South America. News to me."

September 23rd - at the opening of the BB exhibit at the Grammy Museum, Mike issues a press release underlining the composition of the band touring in October. Brian expresses surprise (at something he knew about and commented on three months previously), stating "I'm disappointed and can't understand why he doesn't want to tour with Al, David and me. We are out here having so much fun. After all, we are the real Beach Boys."

October 5th - Mike sends a letter to the LA Times explaining that, amongst other things, he issued the original press release at the request of Brian's representative.

October 7th - also in the LA Times, Brian responds to Mike's explanation, stating that "my attorney merely suggested to Mike's attorney that a possible press release in those markets might be appropriate to stop the confusion, which was in no one's best interest"... and also "I'm disappointed that Mike would now say that the release was done at the request of my representative".

I don't think that Mike is to blame for anything here. Seems more like either Brian's memory is not very good, or he's deliberately trying to make Mike look bad.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on October 18, 2012, 08:13:58 PM
Beach Boys accept award Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions 1988 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSAQX2uuUY#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on October 18, 2012, 08:22:18 PM
It may have been years ago but Mike Love gives the distinct impression of being a prat.

The Beach Boys can't even touch The Beatles.

Pet Sounds was a great album, as would Smile have been but who exactly plays on those tracks?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 18, 2012, 08:24:45 PM
Beach Boys accept award Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions 1988 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSAQX2uuUY#[/url])


Certainly one of the most embarrassing moments in Beach Boys history. In Mike's defense: he was fasting at the time, and that's probably what made him lose his mind here.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 18, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
The Beach Boys can't even touch The Beatles.
I love The Beatles, they're my second favorite band, and they were my favorite band until I discovered The Beach Boys. But I have to disagree with you here. As good as The Beatles were, I personally don't think they ever recorded anything as brilliant and beautiful as, say, 'God Only Knows', 'Good Vibrations', 'Surf's Up', 'Time To Get Alone', 'This Whole World' or 'Cabinessence'.

Pet Sounds was a great album, as would Smile have been but who exactly plays on those tracks?
Session musicians. But Pet Sounds was really more a Brian Wilson solo album than a Beach Boys album. Same thing with Smile. But contrary to what most people believe, The Beach Boys did in fact play their own instruments on a large majority of their records. And even if they didn't, the session musicians were playing what Brian Wilson told them to play. It all came from his mind. They weren't a manufactured group like The Monkees.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on October 19, 2012, 04:20:27 AM
As good as The Beatles were, I personally don't think they ever recorded anything as brilliant and beautiful as, say, 'God Only Knows', 'Good Vibrations', 'Surf's Up', 'Time To Get Alone', 'This Whole World' or 'Cabinessence'.

I agree with this and I also think neither of The Beatles' albums are as good as 'Pet Sounds'. But when comparing their careers as a whole, The Beatles definitely win. The Beach Boys had incredible highs, but much, much worse lows. But then again, obviously, The Beatles were only active for 10 years, whereas The BB's are still going!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 19, 2012, 10:31:58 AM
But when comparing their careers as a whole, The Beatles definitely win. The Beach Boys had incredible highs, but much, much worse lows.

True, but I think that's mostly because The Beatles were smart enough to quit at the right time and to make sure that their music was marketed the right way.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on October 19, 2012, 01:51:14 PM
True, but I think that's mostly because The Beatles were smart enough to quit at the right time and to make sure that their music was marketed the right way.

Maybe it would be fair to compare the same period of both bands (1962-1970). In my opinion the Beatles beat the Beach Boys even during their mid-60's peak. I think that noone ever released such a great trilogy as Rubber Soul-Revolver-Sgt. Pepper's. I love Pet Sounds but it's not even a Top 10 album for me.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on October 19, 2012, 03:22:44 PM
Maybe it would be fair to compare the same period of both bands (1962-1970). In my opinion the Beatles beat the Beach Boys even during their mid-60's peak. I think that noone ever released such a great trilogy as Rubber Soul-Revolver-Sgt. Pepper's. I love Pet Sounds but it's not even a Top 10 album for me.

I was really intrigued by this and decided to give it a more nerd-ish approach and give a score from 1 to 10 to each album by both The Beatles and The Beach Boys and then sum and divide them in order to get an average score. I knew Beatles were going to win (I don't really like some early BB's albums) but it was still fun to see the final results.

The Beach Boys :

10 - Pet Sounds
10 - Sunflower
9.5 - Today
9.5 - Friends
9.5 - Smiley Smile
9.5 - Wild Honey
9 - 20/20
8.5 - All Summer Long
8.5 - Surfer Girl
8.5 - Summer Days (and Summer Nights)
7.5 - Shut Down Vol.2
7 - Little Deuce Coupe
7 - Surfin' U.S.A
6.5 - Party!
6 - Surfin' Safari

Final Score : 8.43 (126.5 divided by 15)

The Beatles :

10 - Abbey Road
10 - Sgt. Pepper's
10 - Revolver
9.5 - The White Album
9.5 - Rubber Soul
9.5 - Magical Mystery Tour (yes, I know...not a real album)
9 - A Hard Day's Night
8.5 - Let It Be
8.5 - Beatles For Sale
8.5 - Help!
8 - With The Beatles
7.5 - Please Please Me

Final Score : 9.04 (108.5 divided by 12)

I didn't include neither The Beach Boys' Christmas Album, nor Yellow Submarine.

'Smile', if released, would've definitely got a 10.

But it's pretty clear that both bands released some top-notch material during '65-'70.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on October 19, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
Beach Boys
Surfin' Safari 6
Surfin' USA 7
Surfer Girl 8
Little Deuce Coupe 7
Shut Down Vol. 2 8
All Summer Long 8.5
Christmas Album 7
Today 9.5
Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) 8.5
Party! 6.5
Pet Sounds 10
Smile 9.5
Smiley Smile 9
Wild Honey 9
Friends 9.5
20/20 9
Sunflower 10

142 : 17 = 8.35

Beatles
Please Please Me 7.5
With The Beatles 7
A Hard Day's Night 8.5
Beatles For Sale 7.5
Help! 7
Rubber Soul 8.5
Revolver 8.5
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 9
Magical Mystery Tour 9.5
White Album 7
Abbey Road 9
Let It Be 8

97 : 12 = 8.08
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on October 19, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
The Beatles

Please Please Me 3/5
With The Beatles 3/5
A Hard Day's Night 4/5
Beatles For Sale 3/5
Help! 4/5
Rubber Soul 5/5
Revolver 5/5
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 5/5
Magical Mystery Tour 4/5
White Album 4/5
Abbey Road 5/5
Let It Be 3/5

Average: 4.0


The Beach Boys

Surfer Girl 3/5
Shut Down Vol. 2 3/5
All Summer Long 4/5
Today! 4/5
Summer Days 4/5
Pet Sounds 5/5
Smiley Smile 3/5
Friends 3/5
Sunflower 3/5

Average: 3.6

Note: I've only rated the Beach Boys albums that I've actually listened to.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: tkitna on October 20, 2012, 12:31:45 AM
I'm really digging the new album right now. I'm a sucker for the melodic stuff.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on October 20, 2012, 07:05:38 AM
I'm really digging the new album right now. I'm a sucker for the melodic stuff.

I love it as well, been listening to it all summer long. Especially the first 5 songs and the last 4. It definitely fulfilled my expectations and I think it should've done the same for every fan.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on October 20, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
There are a couple of tracks which rank up there with the best stuff any of them have ever recorded.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on October 20, 2012, 09:32:39 PM
OK, rate everything The Beatles have done together and seperately in their entire lifetimes and then rate everything The Beach Boys have done together and seperately during their entire lifetimes.

 :P
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Casbah on November 09, 2012, 02:28:21 AM
Hey if you want to see a cool documentary, look up Dennis Wilson The Real Beach Boy on YouTube. Its a reference to the fact that Dennis was the only one who actually surfed in the band, (In the beginning) and it was pretty informative.

Anyway, I've been getting into the Smile album lately and I can't help but think what a great song Surfs Up would have been if it was about the beach, or something to do with their earlier themes. The words just sound too poetic to me (written by Van Dyke Parks). I mean its a great song, it really is, the depth that's there is incredible. And the words are good on their own, but not as a Beach Boys song.

What's your opinion on that?

Joost, its funny I was going to post this on a Beach Boys forum but they're more rabid than Beatles fans.  5dp Or, at least, Im used to the Beatles fans :) ha2ha
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 09, 2012, 02:19:17 PM
Anyway, I've been getting into the Smile album lately and I can't help but think what a great song Surfs Up would have been if it was about the beach, or something to do with their earlier themes. The words just sound too poetic to me (written by Van Dyke Parks). I mean its a great song, it really is, the depth that's there is incredible. And the words are good on their own, but not as a Beach Boys song.

What's your opinion on that?

The idea of 'Surf's Up' actually having lyrics about surfing or the beach sounds silly to me, that would be the exact same thing as putting lyrics like 'Love Me Do' or 'Please Please Me' on a song like 'Strawberry Fields Forever' or 'I Am The Walrus'.

But that's just my opinion, of course. ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 18, 2012, 09:45:58 AM
How about a top 3 vocal leads for Carl, Brian, Dennis and Mike?

Carl :
1. Let The Wind Blow (In Concert version - absolutely stunning; one of the most powerful and emotional moments in the history of the band. I've always wondered if everything came spontaneously or he planned to sing it that way)
2. Darlin' (many seem to prefer later live recordings, but for me Carl has never quite matched his lead here. His voice still had that bit of naivety and innocence that he lost later and that way it matches the subject matter very well)
3. 4th Of July 

Brian :
1. Surf's Up (1967 Piano Demo from The Smile Sessions)
2. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) - music critic George Starostin put it very well : "...with an intonation stuck somewhere in between lazy, melancholic, and tender, that I could never reproduce"
3. You Still Believe In Me

Dennis :
1. Cuddle Up
2. In The Back Of My Mind
3. Never Learn Not To Love

Mike :
1. Kiss Me, Baby (immaculate performance)
2. California Saga : Big Sur
3. All I Wanna Do
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 19, 2012, 01:48:36 PM
Brian:
1. Surf's Up (Smile Sessions version)
2. Wonderful (Smile Sessions version)
3. Don't Worry, Baby

Carl:
1. God Only Knows
2. Darlin'
3. This Whole World

Dennis:
1. Forever
2. Cuddle Up
3. Slip On Through

Mike:
1. All I Wanna Do
2. Meant For You
3. California Saga/Big Sur

Al:
1. Lady Lynda
2. Lookin' Down The Coast (the unreleased Beach Boys version, not his solo version)
3. From There To Back Again

Bruce:
1. Tears In The Morning
2. Disney Girls
3. Deirdre
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 19, 2012, 02:24:47 PM
Interesting choices, Joost. Some information on 'Lookin' Down The Coast' ? I've never heard it/of it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 19, 2012, 04:20:23 PM
That's probably my favorite unreleased Beach Boys song. It was written by Al and recorded by The Beach Boys in 1978. It's never been officially released, but it has been heavily bootlegged (under different titles: 'Lookin' Down The Coast', 'Monterey' and 'Song Of The Whale'). Al released a new (slower) solo version on his album 'A Postcard From California', but I think the original is far superior.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on November 19, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
And it futures the unforgettable line "Oh, it's been so long since I have had a woman's breast to lay my head on".  ;D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on November 19, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Ah, that pervy little folkie. I always knew there was more to him than meets the eye. No, but seriously, I'd love to hear that. I wonder if there are any chances for it to be properly released on the 'Made In California' box-set or do I have to start looking for bootlegs...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 26, 2012, 11:55:37 PM
Joost, I came upon Younger Girl by The Hondells for the first time today.  I can't believe I've never heard it before.  Sure, I'm familiar with The Lovin' Spoonful and The Critters' versions, but can you elaborate on this for me...


The Hondells - "Younger Girl" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyENMWCwa4#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 03, 2013, 08:45:34 PM
Sorry for the late reply. Unfurtionately, I can't tell you anything about The Hondells that you can't find on Wikipedia...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 03, 2013, 08:48:53 PM
I present to you... My Beach Boys collection. :)

7" Singles and EPs:
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423368_4074425071087_768989606_n.jpg)

LPs and 12" singles:
(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/735008_4074442111513_1904760070_n.jpg)

CDs:
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/75367_4074754519323_1804590574_n.jpg)

DVDs:
(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385354_4074441911508_870240376_n.jpg)

Books:
(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/3782_4074425391095_172118170_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Dcazz on January 04, 2013, 01:20:38 AM
WOW!, You weren't kidding how you like the BB's. Very Impressive!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on January 04, 2013, 11:19:43 AM
I present to you... My Beach Boys collection. :)

Wow, that's quite stunning. Mike Love ought to be proud for having a fan that bought not only his solo album, but one of his singles as well!

Few questions though, regarding some items :

What is/are that/those...
1) LP placed on the right of L.A. (Light Album) (another copy of L.A. ?)
2) Pink 7" single (or EP) placed near the 'Kokomo' single?
3) Last item from the "7" Singles and EPs" section?
4) Last 4 CDs from the penultimate row? (the last two look like some kind of Pet Sounds parodies)

And last, what do the 'Lucky Old Sun' book and DVD contain?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 04, 2013, 01:11:08 PM
Wow, that's quite stunning. Mike Love ought to be proud for having a fan that bought not only his solo album, but one of his singles as well!

Few questions though, regarding some items :

What is/are that/those...
1) LP placed on the right of L.A. (Light Album) (another copy of L.A. ?)
2) Pink 7" single (or EP) placed near the 'Kokomo' single?
3) Last item from the "7" Singles and EPs" section?
4) Last 4 CDs from the penultimate row? (the last two look like some kind of Pet Sounds parodies)

And last, what do the 'Lucky Old Sun' book and DVD contain?

I actually have two (identical) copies of that Mike Love single... :)

1. Indeed another copy of LA. It's a picture disc.
2. A 1988 version of 'Don't Worry, Baby' by The Everly Brothers with The Beach Boys.
3. Brian Wilson's 'Midnight's Another Day' single. Only released as a promo.
4. Tribute albums: 'Add Some Music to Your Day', 'Caroline Now!', 'Do It Again: A Tribute to Pet Sounds' and 'The String Quartet Tribute to The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds'.

The Lucky Old Sun DVD is pretty cool. It contains a live performance of the full album, a feature length documentary, track by track commentary, a shorter documentary about the making of the album and some additional interviews and live footage. The book is just a concert program.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Music54 on January 07, 2013, 03:07:44 PM
I am a fan of The Beach Boys. In fact, once I had this creepy dream that Brian Wilson kissed me.  ???  :-[ At least it was an early 60's Brian Wilson and not a 2013 Brian Wilson.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on January 08, 2013, 05:59:22 PM
Nice collection, Joost!!


A Beatles fan plays a pretty Beach Boys song...


The Beach Boys - I Can Hear Music - 45 RPM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYgHzrPj3RY#ws)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nimrod on January 13, 2013, 11:49:53 PM
WOW !!

great collection Joost ;)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 18, 2013, 03:52:21 AM
HENRY GROSS- "SHANNON" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OwpA02iJkM#)



(http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images14/GalleryIrishSetterReggiebeach06.JPG)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on April 22, 2013, 01:47:32 PM
Haven't played anything Beach Boys-related in months, but I'm listening right now to Al's 'Postcard To California' album and it's pretty nice. A pleasant surprise so far.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 26, 2013, 08:54:30 AM
Yeah, "pleasant" pretty much sums up that album. It's by no means a great work of art, but it's pretty cool.

Something I think is funny about that album is that hardly anyone noticed that it was even released, even though you'll have a hard time finding a record with a more impressive selection of guest performers.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 21, 2013, 06:22:38 PM
Some Beach Boys news:

After the 50th Anniversary Tour, Mike Love & Bruce Johnston returned to touring with their own version of The Beach Boys, as everyone who cares will know by now. But an interesting development is that Al Jardine & David Marks have now joined Brian Wilson and his band. They'll be playing a few US dates this Summer. Check brianwilson.com for details.

The live double cd 'Live: the 50th Anniversary Tour' was released this week. It's got 41 songs, including most of the greatest hits but also a few more obscure fan favorites such as 'Marcella', 'Add Some Music to Your Day' and 'All This is That'. Reactions from Beach Boys fans have been overwhelmingly negative because the recordings sound very fake. Many of the vocals have been very obviously autotuned (some so heavily that they just sound robotic) and some people even believe that vocals from the original albums have been mixed in here and there.

The career spanning 6 CD box set 'Made in California', has been announced for August 27. The tracklisting has not yet been released. It's likely going to be something of a revised version of 1993's 'Good Vibrations' box set (with the hits, important album tracks, alternate versions and unreleased songs), but with "new" rarities.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on May 21, 2013, 08:05:47 PM
Thanks for the news Joost.

I'd have loved to see the tour but I'm going to pass on the live album etc.

Somehow the Beach Boys always maka a mess of live albums. (Except for Party! -  but how live was that?)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on May 21, 2013, 08:06:43 PM
Some Beach Boys news:

After the 50th Anniversary Tour, Mike Love & Bruce Johnston returned to touring with their own version of The Beach Boys, as everyone who cares will know by now. But an interesting development is that Al Jardine & David Marks have now joined Brian Wilson and his band. They'll be playing a few US dates this Summer. Check brianwilson.com for details.


And that ought to be a hard choice for the fans.  ;D

The live double cd 'Live: the 50th Anniversary Tour' was released this week. It's got 41 songs, including most of the greatest hits but also a few more obscure fan favorites such as 'Marcella', 'Add Some Music to Your Day' and 'All This is That'. Reactions from Beach Boys fans have been overwhelmingly negative because the recordings sound very fake. Many of the vocals have been very obviously autotuned (some so heavily that they just sound robotic) and some people even believe that vocals from the original albums have been mixed in here and there.


It's kinda painful to realize that some people in the BBs camp still care about things like commercial appeal or new production techniques. Every time I read something like this I automatically think of 80's or 90's Beach Boys and how dark those times were for the band.

The career spanning 6 CD box set 'Made in California', has been announced for August 27. The tracklisting has not yet been released. It's likely going to be something of a revised version of 1993's 'Good Vibrations' box set (with the hits, important album tracks, alternate versions and unreleased songs), but with "new" rarities.


Now this is the real deal. Already onto it.

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1699/033009savemoneylarge.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/033009savemoneylarge.jpg/)

Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on May 21, 2013, 08:10:15 PM
Somehow the Beach Boys always maka a mess of live albums.

How about 'In Concert' from 1973, zipp?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 21, 2013, 08:24:17 PM
Thanks for the news Joost.

I'd have loved to see the tour but I'm going to pass on the live album etc.

Somehow the Beach Boys always maka a mess of live albums. (Except for Party! -  but how live was that?)

'Party' was recorded in the studio, the "party" sounds were overdubbed afterwards.

I don't agree with you though that all their live albums are a mess. 'Concert' was indeed bad: partially live, partially recorded in the studio with artificial crowd noises, and a lot of cover songs that were inferior to their own material. But 'Live in London' and 'In Concert'  are really excellent. They sound great, they didn't mess with the recordings afterwards and the final albums are cool mixes of hits and fan favorites. Nothing wrong with those two albums. And 'Live at Knebworth' is not that bad either, is it?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: zipp on May 22, 2013, 07:47:33 PM
I knew that you wouldn't agree but for me The Beach Boys are, like The Beatles, first and foremost a studio band.

The live stuff is nearly always a disappointment.

Now I've really put the cat among the pigeons!
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on May 22, 2013, 10:10:11 PM
I knew that you wouldn't agree but for me The Beach Boys are, like The Beatles, first and foremost a studio band.

The live stuff is nearly always a disappointment.

Now I've really put the cat among the pigeons!

I agree, but I think noone will deny that the Beach Boys are essentially a studio band, beyond enjoying their live recordings or not.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on May 24, 2013, 07:03:16 AM
I knew that you wouldn't agree but for me The Beach Boys are, like The Beatles, first and foremost a studio band.

The live stuff is nearly always a disappointment.


Of course they sounded better in the studio. If you record your songs with doubled or triple tracked harmonies and with a couple dozen of the best session musicians around in the studio, it's going to be hard to make those songs sound just as good on stage. But I do think that especially 'Live in London' and 'In Concert' are well worth hearing and certainly not "a mess".
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nimrod on May 30, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
I knew that you wouldn't agree but for me The Beach Boys are, like The Beatles, first and foremost a studio band.

The live stuff is nearly always a disappointment.



I dont know about The Beach Boys Ive never heard them live, The Beatles were a quality live act, only let down by the equipment, set-up etc available in the early 60s.
By the time technology had moved on they'd given up playing live.

this is great..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612806fJb_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612806fJb_Q#)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfK67uzz83o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfK67uzz83o#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Dcazz on May 31, 2013, 11:18:49 AM
I dont know about The Beach Boys Ive never heard them live, The Beatles were a quality live act, only let down by the equipment, set-up etc available in the early 60s.
By the time technology had moved on they'd given up playing live.

this is great..

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612806fJb_Q[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612806fJb_Q#[/url])


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfK67uzz83o[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfK67uzz83o#[/url])
In almost evry later video when george does his leads, the camera goes off to something else! The police in this case. Hey Bulldog the solo goes to an acoustic double exposure so you dont actually see any of the performances. Very strange and disapointing.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nimrod on May 31, 2013, 09:46:49 PM
love how Ringo lets rip during the last few bars of LTS, pity the camera moves away from him as well :D
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on June 12, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
The cover art and tracklisting for the Made In California box set have finally been revealed:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-x9VhY8qMAOQ/UbcvKCqg7XI/AAAAAAAAqhw/WXiUq54Z6lE/s200/Beach+Boys+Made+in+California+2.jpg)

CD 1
----
1.    Home Recordings / "Surfin'" Rehearsal Highlights (2012 Edit - Mono)
2.    Surfin' (with Session Intro - Mono)
3.    Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring (Demo - Mono)
4.    Surfin' Safari (Original Mono Long Version)
5.    409 (Original Mono Long Version)
6.    Lonely Sea (Original Mono Mix)
7.    Surfin' U.S.A.
8.    Shut Down (2003 Stereo Mix)
9.    Surfer Girl
10.   Little Deuce Coupe
11.   Catch A Wave
12.   Our Car Club
13.   Surfers Rule (with Session Intro)
14.   In My Room
15.   Back Home
16.   Be True To Your School (Mono Single Version)
17.   Ballad Of Ole' Betsy
18.   Little Saint Nick (Stereo Single Version)
19.   Fun, Fun, Fun (Mono Single Version)
20.   Little Honda
21.   Don't Worry Baby (2009 Stereo Mix)
22.   Why Do Fools Fall In Love (2009 Stereo Mix)
23.   The Warmth Of The Sun
24.   I Get Around (with Session Intro - Mono)
25.   Wendy (2007 Stereo Mix)
26.   All Summer Long (2007 Stereo Mix)
27.   Girls On The Beach
28.   Don't Back Down
29.   When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) (2012 Stereo Mix)
30.   All Dressed Up For School (Mono)
31.   Please Let Me Wonder (2007 Stereo Mix)
32.   Kiss Me, Baby (2000 Stereo Mix)
33.   In The Back of My Mind (2012 Stereo Mix)
34.   Dance, Dance, Dance (2003 Stereo Mix)
 
 
 
CD 2
----
1.    Do You Wanna Dance (2012 Stereo Mix)
2.    Help Me, Rhonda (Mono Single Version)
3.    California Girls (2002 Stereo Mix)
4.    Amusement Parks USA (Early Version)
5.    Salt Lake City (2001 Stereo Mix)
6.    Let Him Run Wild (2007 Stereo Mix)
7.    Graduation Day (Session Excerpt and Master Take, 2012 Mix)
8.    The Little Girl I Once Knew (Mono)
9.    There's No Other (Like My Baby) (2012 "Unplugged" Mix with Party Session
      Intro)
10.   Barbara Ann (2012 Stereo Mix)
11.   Radio Spot "Wonderful KYA" (Mono)
12.   Sloop John B (1996 Stereo Mix)
13.   Wouldn't It Be Nice (2001 Stereo Mix)
14.   God Only Knows (1996 Stereo Mix)
15.   I Just Wasn't Made For These Times (1996 Stereo Mix)
16.   Caroline No (1996 Stereo Mix)
17.   Good Vibrations (Mono)
18.   Our Prayer (2012 "Smile Sessions" Stereo Mix)
19.   Heroes And Villains: Part 1 ("Smile Sessions" Mix - Mono)
20.   Heroes And Villains: Part 2 ("Smile Sessions" Mix - Mono)
21.   Vega-Tables ("Smile Sessions" Stereo Mix)
22.   Wind Chimes ("Smile Sessions" Stereo Mix)
23.   The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow) ("Smile Sessions" Mix - Mono)
24.   Cabin Essence ("Smile Sessions" Mix - Mono)
25.   Heroes And Villains (2012 Stereo Mix)
26.   Wonderful (2012 Stereo Mix)
27.   Country Air (2012 Stereo Mix)
28.   Wild Honey (2012 Stereo Mix)
 
 
 
CD 3
----
1.    Darlin' (2012 Stereo Mix)
2.    Let The Wind Blow (2001 Stereo Mix)
3.    Meant For You (Alternate Version)
4.    Friends
5.    Little Bird
6.    Busy Doin' Nothin'
7.    Sail Plane Song (2012 Stereo Mix)
8.    We're Together Again (2012 Stereo Mix)
9.    Radio Spot "Murray The K" (Mono)
10.   Do It Again (2012 Stereo Mix)
11.   Old Man River (Vocal Section)
12.   Be With Me
13.   I Can Hear Music
14.   Time To Get Alone
15.   I Went To Sleep
16.   Can't Wait Too Long (A Cappella)
17.   Break Away (Alternate Version)
18.   Celebrate The News
19.   Cotton Fields (The Cotton Song) (Single Version, 2001 Stereo Mix)
20.   Susie Cincinnati (2012 Mix)
21.   Good Time
22.   Slip On Through
23.   Add Some Music To Your Day
24.   This Whole World
25.   Forever
26.   It's About Time
27.   Soulful Old Man Sunshine
28.   Fallin' In Love (2009 Stereo Mix)
29.   Sound Of Free (Mono Single Version)
30.   'Til I Die
31.   Surf's Up
 
 
 
CD 4
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1.    Don't Go Near The Water
2.    Disney Girls (1957)
3.    Feel Flows
4.    (Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again
5.    Marcella
6.    All This Is That
7.    Sail On Sailor
8.    The Trader
9.    California Saga (On My Way To Sunny Californ-I-A)
10.   Rock And Roll Music (2012 Mix w/Extra Verse)
11.   It's OK (Alternate Mix)
12.   Had To Phone Ya
13.   Let Us Go On This Way
14.   I'll Bet He's Nice
15.   Solar System
16.   The Night Was So Young
17.   It's Over Now (Alternate Mix)
18.   Come Go With Me
19.   California Feelin'
20.   Brian's Back (Alternate Mix)
21.   Good Timin'
22.   Angel Come Home
23.   Baby Blue
24.   It's A Beautiful Day (Single Edit) (2012 Mix)
25.   Goin' To The Beach
 
 
 
CD 5
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1.     Goin' On
2.     Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love
3.     Da Doo Ron Ron
4.     Getcha Back
5.     California Dreamin'
6.     Kokomo
7.     Soul Searchin'
8.     You're Still A Mystery
9.     That's Why God Made The Radio
10.    Isn't It Time (Single Version)
 THE BEACH BOYS LIVE:
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11.    Runaway (Chicago 1965 -- w/Concert Promo Intro - Mono)
12.    You're So Good To Me (Paris 1966 - Mono)
13.    The Letter (Hawaii Rehearsal 1967)
14.    Friends (Chicago 1968 - Mono)
15.    Little Bird (Chicago 1968 - Mono)
16.    All I Want To Do (London 1968)
17.    Help Me, Rhonda (New Jersey 1972)
18.    Wild Honey (New Jersey 1972)
19.    Only With You (New York 1972)
20.    It's About Time (Chicago 1973)
21.    I Can Hear Music (Maryland 1975)
22.    Vegetables (New York 1993)
23.    Wonderful (New York 1993)
24.    Sail On Sailor (Louisville 1995)
25.    Summer In Paradise (Wembley 1993)
 
 
 
CD 6
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FROM THE VAULTS:
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1.     Radio Spot (1966 -- Mono)
2.     Slip On Through (A Cappella Mix)
3.     Don't Worry Baby (Stereo Session Outtake w/ Alternate Lead Vocal)
4.     Pom Pom Play Girl (Vocal Session Highlight)
5.     Guess I'm Dumb (Instrumental Track w/Background Vocals)
6.     Sherry She Needs Me (1965 Track w/1976 Vocal)
7.     Mona Kana (Instrumental Track)
8.     This Whole World (A Cappella)
9.     Where Is She?
10.    Had To Phone Ya (Instrumental Track)
11.    SMiLE Backing Vocals Montage (from "The Smile Sessions")
12.    Good Vibrations (Stereo Track Sections)
13.    Be With Me (Demo)
14.    I Believe In Miracles (Vocal Section)
15.    Why (Instrumental Track)
16.    Barnyard Blues
17.    Don't Go Near The Water (Instrumental Track)
18.    You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling
19.    Transcendental Meditation (Instrumental Track)
20.    Our Sweet Love (Vocals w/Strings)
21.    Back Home (1970 Version)
22.    California Feelin' (Original Demo)
23.    California Girls ("Lei'd In Hawaii" Studio Version)
24.    Help You, Rhonda ("Lei'd In Hawaii" Studio Version)
25.    Surf's Up (1967 Version) (2012 Mix)
26.    My Love Lives On
27.    Radio Spot (1964 - Mono)
28.    Wendy (BBC -- Live in the Studio 1964 - Mono)
29.    When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) (BBC -- Live in the Studio 1964 - Mono)
30.    Hushabye (BBC -- Live in the Studio 1964 - Mono)
31.    Carl Wilson: Coda (2013 Edit)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on August 17, 2013, 09:39:43 AM
I'm listening to 'Carry Me Home' right now, and wondering why the hell didn't it make the MadeInCalifornia box-set?! Many bands would kill to even come up with something this beautiful and heartbreaking.

Carry Me Home -- The Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrGk8xAHHDw#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on August 20, 2013, 09:45:11 PM
I'm listening to 'Carry Me Home' right now, and wondering why the hell didn't it make the MadeInCalifornia box-set?! Many bands would kill to even come up with something this beautiful and heartbreaking.

Carry Me Home -- The Beach Boys ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrGk8xAHHDw#[/url])


The only reason I can think of is that The Beach Boys might have been a bit uncomfortable with a song by their deceased brother/cousin/friend that has lyrics like "I'm afraid to die / Please God, please God / Don't take my life".
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 01, 2013, 01:33:34 PM
I got the new box set yesterday ('Made in California') and it is really, really good. It's got lots of unreleased tracks, alternative versions, surprising live versions and amazing new stereo mixes for the "hardcore" fans, and it's an excellent, balanced career overview for the casual fans who want to dig a little further and can spare $100+. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on September 03, 2013, 01:59:34 AM
I hear Blondie Chaplin is on the New Brian/Al/David/Jeff album?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 05, 2013, 08:01:37 PM
I hear Blondie Chaplin is on the New Brian/Al/David/Jeff album?
Yeah, he is... It's pretty funny, actually: Brian, Al and David were dismissed from the band that tours under the Beach Boys name (and now has just two Beach Boys), and this seems to be Brian's revenge: he's recording an album with no less than four Beach Boys on it. He could make it five by inviting Ricky Fataar as well.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Strawberry Field on September 05, 2013, 11:23:21 PM
Ricky seems pretty involved in touring with Bonnie Raitt now, I think.

All this good news keeps coming out so now I really can't wait for Brian's new album to be released. Whether it is going to be as great as The Lucky Old Sun was, I dunno. I really loved that album.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Yeshelloitsmehereagain on September 07, 2013, 10:34:59 PM
If he can do something similar with a theme and good rockers/ballads then having 4 Beach Boys singing it would be splendid. How many great songs has Brian given to Al down the years? Quite a few if I'm not mistaken. So I'll take a look when it's released.

I really like BW'88 but wish the Boys had been on that, Carl doing the lead to Night Time would have been something else...

I'd like Sweet Insanity to be properly released, along with Adult/Child, have you heard them, Joost?

I still have alot of BB's to discover...
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on September 12, 2013, 06:49:14 AM
How many great songs has Brian given to Al down the years? Quite a few if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, but unlike The Beatles, The Beach Boys never had this habit of everyone singing on his own compositions. Brian gave songs to everyone, Dennis sometimes gave his songs to Carl or Mike, Al sometimes gave songs to Mike... Usually the guy who's voice suited a song the best just got to sing it.

I'd like Sweet Insanity to be properly released, along with Adult/Child, have you heard them, Joost?
I have. But IMO, Sweet Insanity is just not that good and Adult/Child is a bit of a mess.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: oldbrownshoe on October 20, 2013, 07:11:05 AM
Kicking my heels a little bit until the BBC release comes out (three weeks tomorrow) so I've dug up the last record release I was really looking forward to.....SMiLE.....bought on its first day of release in Islington.
I'd forgotten how much I adore SMiLE!

One thing - the Wrecking Crew play a big part in the recordings, and they also played on a lot of the themes and incidental music of the cartoons of the era (I think - correct me if I'm wrong), and huge chucks of SMiLE sound like the kind of incidental music you'd get in the background of 'Top Cat', 'The Flintstones', 'The Jetsons', 'Yogi Bear' etc. etc.
Even the cover of SMiLE has a cartoon on its cover.

By the way, Music Club put out a great CD of all those cartoon themes called 'Tunes from the Toons'.....it is fantastic.
 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ovi on January 25, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
Joost (or others), what would you say is the most essential Beach Boys book besides 'Catch A Wave'?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: oldbrownshoe on January 26, 2014, 08:56:04 AM
I accept that it doesn't cover all bases but, despite my recent jaunts to the charity shop to clear space for a potential move (which included several Beach Boys biographies), there was absolutely no danger of 'Look! Listen! Vibrate! Smile!' by Domenic Priore going anywhere other than where I'm going.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Ollier on January 08, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
Brian Wilson has a new album and movie out this year... Doesn't he Joost?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 10, 2015, 09:47:42 AM
Joost (or others), what would you say is the most essential Beach Boys book besides 'Catch A Wave'?
Hey Ovi, I just saw this question from a year ago and I don't know why I didn't answer it. Is the question still relevant?
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on January 10, 2015, 09:48:33 AM
Brian Wilson has a new album and movie out this year... Doesn't he Joost?


Indeed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy_%28film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy_%28film%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Pier_Pressure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Pier_Pressure)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 23, 2015, 06:54:32 PM
Hey, how about some Beach Boys news?

* Jack Rieley passed away last Friday. He was The Beach Boys' manager in the early 1970s, he co-wrote many of their songs in these years, he sang lead on the song 'A Day in the Life of a Tree' and he was the narrator on the 'Mt. Vernon and Fairway' EP.

* Brian's new album 'No Pier Pressure' was released this month. It features guest appearances by Kacey Musgraves, Zooey Deschanel & M. Ward (She & Him), Sebu Simonian (Capital Cities), Nate Ruess (Fun) and Beach Boys members Al Jardine, David Marks and Blondie Chaplin. Unfortionately, I have to say that it's one of my least favorite Brian Wilson albums. I still love 'That Lucky Old Sun' and 'That's Why God Made the Radio', so I expected much more from this.

* The Brian Wilson biopic 'Love & Mercy' premiered on the Toronto International Film Festival in 2014, but it will finally be in US cinemas on June 5, 2015. Reception so far is pretty positive. Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lioWzrpCtGQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lioWzrpCtGQ)

* The Carl Wilson biography 'Long Promised Road' is set to be released on September 29.

* 'I Am Brian Wilson', the second Brian Wilson autobiography, is set to be released on October 8. There already is a Brian Wilson autobiography from the 1990s called 'Wouldn't It Be Nice', but Brian has admitted that he didn't even read (let alone write) that one.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Joost on April 23, 2015, 07:07:20 PM
My track by track review of No Pier Pressure:

This Beautiful Day: Sounds a bit like 'Summer's Gone', the final song on the last Beach Boys album, and I guess it's fitting that Brian's first solo album after that one starts with a similar sounding song. Not one of Brian's most convincing vocals, but still a decent little album intro.

Runaway Dancer (w/ Sebu Simonian): Just painful. I hate it. Absolutely hate it. This just might be the very worst song that Brian ever had anything to do with in his life. I was in my teens in the 1990s and I absolutely despised all that electronic dance music that my peers were listening to. So it almost feels like betrayal to hear electronic beats and synths like those on a Brian Wilson album. Oh, and I also hate saxophones.

Whatever Happened (w/ Al Jardine & David Marks): Even after Al's solo album 'A Postcard From California' and the 2012 Beach Boys album 'That's Why God Made The Radio', it's still a thrill to hear a brand new song with more than one Beach Boy singing on it. This song does sound a bit like an outtake from Brian's 'Imagination' album, and that's not a good thing. A bit too plastic.

On The Island (w/ Zooey Deschanel & M. Ward of She & Him): Nice one. Very sunny, very mellow, a bit wacky (in a good way), reminds a bit of the very cool 1968 Beach Boys song 'Busy Doin' Nothing'. And I love Zooey's voice. Downside is that it sounds like a She & Him song with Brian guesting on backing vocals, rather than a Brian Wilson song.

Half Moon Bay (w/ Mark Isham): A somewhat unremarkable instrumental, although it does remind of the two instrumentals on 'Pet Sounds'. A bit too jazzy for my taste, but still pleasant enough.

Our Special Love (w/ Peter Hollens): An entirely a capella song with beat boxing. Yuck. Comes way too close to R&B (not the real rhtyhm & blues, but the slick modern kind) and whatever all those boy bands (Take That, Boyzone) were making in the 1990s and 2000s.

The Right Time (w/ Al Jardine & David Marks): Pleasant song, Al sounds great as always. The chorus sounds too much like 'Lay Down Burden', though. This is self-plagiarism, basically.

Guess You Had To Be There (w/ Kacey Musgraves): So far, this is hands down my favorite song on the album. Some really gorgeous melodies here. Nice, laid back arrangement. I like it a lot.

Tell Me Why (w/ Al Jardine): No, this is not the Beatles song. Fairly mediocre and a bit too sappy. I do love that Al is on so many songs on this album.

Sail Away (w/ Blondie Chaplin and Al Jardine): This is a fun song. I like the subtle Sloop John B melodies. Blondie's voice aged really well. He sounds cool. Especially with Blondie's vocal, this would've been a great song for 'That's Why God...'.

One Kind Of Love:  Pretty good one, probably the second best song on the album. Some beautiful things going on in the string and brass arrangement.

Saturday Night (w/ Nate Ruess): I don't mind that this album has so many guest singers. But since this is a Brian Wilson album, it doesn't make sense that he gives someone else the lead vocal on almost an entire song. So again, this just sounds like Brian guesting on someone else's song. Having said that, I do like Nate Ruess's voice and this song is really catchy.

The Last Song: Lana Del Rey was supposed to sing on this, but she never finished her vocals. Someone on a Beach Boys forum wrote that this is "The bastard love child of Bruce Johnston and Dennis Wilson at their most sappy. This tries to be another Summer's Gone but fails to do so," and I think that's a pretty good description.

BTW: There's also a "deluxe edition" with 3 extra songs (including a new version of the 1965 Beach Boys song 'Summer Means New Love', this time with vocals), and a Target exclusive version with 5 extra songs (the "deluxe edition" bonus tracks plus a 1975 demo of 'In The Back of My Mind' and a new version of the 1988 Brian Wilson track 'Love and Mercy').
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nimrod on November 18, 2015, 08:58:10 AM
I went to see The Beach Boys last night, with Mike Love & Bruce Johnson, I have to say it was all nostalgia but thoroughly enjoyed, great night

Mike was probably the worst singer of the 7 piece band  ;D

All the hits loads of great film as a backdrop and a big tribute to George Harrison when Mike recounted his days in Rishikesh, I think Pisces Brothers was the song he sang about him & George


! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pw0JhnJ2lc#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: oldbrownshoe on November 18, 2015, 09:11:56 AM
Just heard of an interesting release.

It's an expanded version of the 'Beach Boys Party!' LP, over 2CDs, and it appears to have a huge amount of previously unreleased material on it.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: stevie on November 08, 2016, 02:13:26 AM
Am reading Mike Love's autobio and its pretty interesting. I'mm not a major BB fan - I have none of their records - but I like the odd song. A lot of their stuff up till 1966 wasn't recored with the best sound, certainly not as well as our guy's stuff lol. Reminded me of the murky sound the early Stones has.

Mike tells some good stories but he likes to namedrop a bit about all the women he was with in the 60's. Well, not namedrop precisely but he mentions his conquests lol. And he does try a bit too hard to maintain that the BB were level with the Beatles a few times. I don't agree but its a good read anyway
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 08, 2016, 02:34:58 AM
A lot of their stuff up till 1966 wasn't recored with the best sound, certainly not as well as our guy's stuff lol. Reminded me of the murky sound the early Stones has.


Nuh uh!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_a-C6CsvNo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_a-C6CsvNo#)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb4eCeQe9TY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb4eCeQe9TY#)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmIsdMWzdaE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmIsdMWzdaE#)

1965
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 08, 2016, 02:43:29 AM
Take 44 and 45


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4IcDgNRPQ4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4IcDgNRPQ4#)
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: stevie on November 08, 2016, 08:37:56 PM
I think the lack of a unique drummer gives me this view. The great vocals and harmonies cover up the lack of beat or swing in the background
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 09, 2016, 12:00:50 AM
(http://marcmyers.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008dca1f08834017743893d4a970d-500wi)



Hal Blaine played the drums on California Girls.  Plain, simple drumming...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tloqT2MS4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tloqT2MS4#)


 
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 09, 2016, 12:03:22 AM
Sometimes simple can be great.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: stevie on November 09, 2016, 01:05:11 AM
lol oops i better quit criticizing them. Its hard sometimes to look at other groups stuff in an unbiased way as obviously our guys are way above the rest and an impossible benchmark.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 09, 2016, 01:23:07 AM
In the summer of 1966, we had Pet Sounds and Revolver.  Both albums were very innovative.  I was fascinated by them both.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 09, 2016, 01:52:05 AM
It wasn't on Pet Sounds but rather released as a single in the Fall.  Good Vibrations blew me and others away.  We waited to see how The Beatles would respond.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdt0SOqPJcg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdt0SOqPJcg#)

A little bit of The Smile Sessions in there.   icon_good


Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 10, 2016, 09:33:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4YupnT1sM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4YupnT1sM#)

Dennis had only been playing drums for two and a half years when this was filmed.
Title: Re: The Beach Boys
Post by: nimrod on November 12, 2016, 02:32:11 AM
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4YupnT1sM#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4YupnT1sM#[/url])

Dennis had only been playing drums for two and a half years when this was filmed.


Amazing Baz