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Title: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 04, 2004, 06:04:51 AM
Does anyone know how many there were and which songs? Which song is supposed to have F you like Superman and is that even true? Just wondering. My knowledge on this subject is limited!
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 04, 2004, 06:26:59 AM
On the UK Pepper it had a blurb (released on Anthology) that was a mishmash of sounds and voices.  It is about 2 seconds and was put into the record's runout groove so it would repeat forever or until you or the turntable lifted the tonearm.

It did NOT say 'f*** you like superman', in fact it doesn't 'say' anything.  Many people have heard many different things because it was a collection of noises and sounds as noted above. 

Backwards?  All of Rev #9.  Horrendous car crash, Paul yelling, sirens, people running and yelling, turn me on dead man...it is all there.  On purpose?  Beats me, I don't believe Paul is dead (yet).  But it is pretty spooky to listen to.

Between I'm So Tired and Blackbird is John speaking (recorded backwards) and it *sounds* like 'Paul is dead man miss him miss him miss him.'  Primarily because that's what we've been told to hear so the brain agrees.  It IS close tho, closer than the 'superman' hype.

There's more of course, but not much of any real consequence.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 04, 2004, 07:53:26 PM
Thanks! So no F- you like superman ay? Heh! That would be kind of out there. It sucks that you can't do the whol backwards things on CD's. I mean, people just discovering the Beatles won't get to have the fun of trying to hear these messages for themselves. I mean, it is kinda part of the whole Beatles experience. Sort of. Although I suppose you can download them or something. Just not the same thing though!
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 04, 2004, 10:02:02 PM
There are freeware sound recorder programs that have Reverse settings.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on September 05, 2004, 12:11:38 AM
AAAAAHHHHH!!! THIS NEW ONE BLINKED AT ME!  ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL US ALL MISSS MACCA.??


Yeah it is kinda hard to hear backwards messages these days.  I downloaded them all of a Paul is Dead site, but it would have been fun to try and find them for myself.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 05, 2004, 12:43:47 AM
At least he has eyes!! ;D

Charlie thanks for the link. I downloaded it but now I guess I have to download some songs! The f-you superman one isn't in a song though? Or did I misunderstand?
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 05, 2004, 12:47:01 AM
[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=5 date=1094345027]The f-you superman one isn't in a song though? Or did I misunderstand?[/quote]

It's at the VERY end of the Sgt Pepper album.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 05, 2004, 12:54:03 AM
So what would you download? A Day in the Life? That's the last song. The ironic part is that I actually have the album but no record player to play it on! Oh well.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 05, 2004, 03:41:06 AM
It's not ON the US record.  It is on the UK version, along with the dog whistle.

You don't have the Pepper CD?  There is a clip of it at the very end of the CD.

That you don't listen to backwards, you just listen to it to imagine hearing favorite superheroes copulating.

Rev 9 tho...and that would be a long ass download (unless you're on broadband).  Or unless you have the White Album.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 05, 2004, 04:37:21 AM
Okay! Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for my ignorance on the subject! I actually don't have the CD yet. I don't know why I haven't gotten it yet!
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 05, 2004, 04:39:23 AM
[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=9 date=1094359041]Okay! Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for my ignorance on the subject! I actually don't have the CD yet. I don't know why I haven't gotten it yet! [/quote]

I wasn't being peeved, I like using capital letters to stress a word.  Or maybe I'll use *'s or dashes.

ANyway, there is no ignorance here, just not informed yet. :)

Still.  I just don't want to p*ss you off and have you send some bad mojo avatar to my house.
;D

Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 05, 2004, 04:51:23 AM
I wouldn't do that!






(http://images-partners.google.com/images?q=tbn:dMAsDDbgpYQJ:www.lbatini.it/pinkfloydlongbox/pfukistherelongboxback.jpg) Charlie...open the dooooor.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 05, 2004, 05:03:21 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









(I like it here under my couch.  It's dark and safe.  And not just a little dusty.)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 05, 2004, 05:53:39 AM
Another man cowering in fear! My work is done. ;D
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 05, 2004, 01:37:24 PM
[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=7 date=1094345643]So what would you download? A Day in the Life? That's the last song.[/quote]

If you downloaded the track you probably wouldn't get the backwards bit - I'll upload it for you and along with the backwards version. :)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sadie4 on September 05, 2004, 03:42:17 PM
[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=1 date=1094279219]
It did NOT say 'f*** you like superman', in fact it doesn't 'say' anything.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 05, 2004, 04:29:42 PM
Yes, he does say that, you are correct.  Although in other interviews he says something different. 

It does not say the superman bit. Backwards OR forwards.  That was something that was heard by others and Paul professed amazement.  For years it was also supposed to be saying '...this is the ending of the wax...'.

Just Beatle-mania.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 06, 2004, 12:32:43 AM
I've uploaded it - now you can hear it forwards AND backwards... let the arguments commence!!! ;D

http://www.geocities.com/the_end_gb/dmforum/pepper.html
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 06, 2004, 12:35:55 AM
To me it sounds like John saying "never could see any", then Paul saying "other way", with someone going, "bah-ba-bah" in the background. Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on September 06, 2004, 12:38:55 AM
Forward it definately sounds like that to me too Alan.  But backwards i think it sounds more like "Will Paul come back as superman?"
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 06, 2004, 12:47:03 AM
We share the same ears, Tim! :)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on September 06, 2004, 12:49:30 AM
Uh-oh.   Then where'd my cuetip go.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 06, 2004, 06:10:16 AM
Thank you Alan you are SO cool! I agree with the forwards thing. Backwards it sounds like "I will uh you like a superman." I definatly hear superman. Awesome.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 06, 2004, 12:18:21 PM
[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=22 date=1094451016]Thank you Alan you are SO cool![/quote]

Gee thanks!  (blush1)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 06, 2004, 03:45:10 PM
[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=21 date=1094431770]Uh-oh.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: zipp on September 06, 2004, 08:20:08 PM
[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=17 date=1094430763]I've uploaded it - now you can hear it forwards AND backwards... let the arguments commence!!! ;D

[url]http://www.geocities.com/the_end_gb/dmforum/pepper.html[/url][/quote]

I hear
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 06, 2004, 09:15:21 PM
To be honest, I think you can train your ears to hear any of these variations.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 06, 2004, 09:25:54 PM
[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=26 date=1094505321]To be honest, I think you can train your ears to hear any of these variations.[/quote]

My point exactly.

If Paul said in his book (and he does) that what was actually said was 'couldn't have been any other way' as Sadie4 provided, and in lieu of an absence of any other evidence...then that's what was said, frontwards, regardless of what it sounds like to different people.  And backwards it says nothing.

Once the phrases get around that 'this is what is said' the ear natuarally goes to that.  If you were not told beforehand what to listen for there would be wildly varying interpretations.  IMO (since I have no scientfic study to prove it).

Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Mendips on September 06, 2004, 11:01:22 PM
 John saying Cranberry sauce?
Up until it was revealed to be cranberry sauce, I thought I heard
I buried Paul.
It's true, you do hear what you're told you'll hear.
Still sounds more like I buried Paul than cranberry sauce to me.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: drnick954 on September 07, 2004, 01:31:18 AM
What is the song where they say "Paul is Dead" lots of times when played backwards?
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: HFleen on September 07, 2004, 01:38:59 AM
You SURE it's not on the NA one? I heard it on CHUM-FM in 1974 or so, on the Larry Green show...

You REALLY SURE???

HFleen
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 07, 2004, 01:41:54 AM
[quote by=Mendips link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=28 date=1094511682] John saying Cranberry sauce?
Up until it was revealed to be cranberry sauce, I thought I heard
I buried Paul.
It's true, you do hear what you're told you'll hear.
Still sounds more like I buried Paul than cranberry sauce to me.
[/quote]


Exactly.  Audiol illusion. (I made that up!)

I always heard I buried Paul too, and when I read he'd said 'cranberry sauce' I didn't believe it because I could hear it (after years of conditioning myself to hear the buried line).  Once I finally heard the outtakes, where the voice doesn't fade and where there are fewer instruments in the way, it is CLEAR that he says 'cranberry sauce', not once but twice. 


Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Mendips on September 07, 2004, 01:46:40 AM
Backward message at the end of

I'm so Tired?


Mister Charlie, is it just John mumbling or is it anything that sounds like the rumored

Paul is dead, miss him miss him?


(I'm sure this was discussed elsewhere before but since I'm pretty new I didn't see it, so please forgive me)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: drnick954 on September 07, 2004, 01:48:18 AM
i dont know. my dad told me about this once and he didnt know when i asked him a few minutes ago, so i thought you guys might know.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Herecomesyoursun on September 07, 2004, 01:53:03 AM
HI DR NICK!!! (sry somebuddy had to do it)

Ive always thought the backwards one at the end of Im so tired did sound a lot like "Paul is a dead man, miss him miss him".  I wish i could post a link to a Paul is Dead site i was at, it had all the backwards messages there for you to hear.  Sometimes the messages werent even backwards, I mean "The Walrus was Paul",
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: drnick954 on September 07, 2004, 01:56:34 AM
hehe.


maybe he said that I am the walrus is the song where it says that backwards.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 07, 2004, 02:48:19 AM
[quote by=Mendips link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=32 date=1094521600]Backward message at the end of

I'm so Tired?


Mister Charlie, is it just John mumbling or is it anything that sounds like the rumored

Paul is dead, miss him miss him?


(I'm sure this was discussed elsewhere before but since I'm pretty new I didn't see it, so please forgive me)[/quote]

I believe he was just mumbling John-isms, but this one realy DOES sounds like it...again, probably because one expects to hear it...but it is not in any way fashioned to do so...it doesn't sound like him clearly saying the words, it's backwards and tentative.  But cooll I guess.

Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 07, 2004, 03:03:07 AM
Well then what did the Beatles actually admit to doing? I mean, there's just too many coincidences!
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 07, 2004, 03:11:14 AM
[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=37 date=1094526187]Well then what did the Beatles actually admit to doing? I mean, there's just too many coincidences![/quote]

Not really.  It's only when people start to spread rumors of interpretations rather than facts.  That's the whole point of Glass Onion, a slap at the fans who keep playing the label backwards looking for clues to...what?  The secret of life?

Sometimes in life there are simple coincindences.  Yes.

Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 07, 2004, 03:16:28 AM
Right. I suppose. Their music so overanalyzed you can come up with just about anything.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: on September 07, 2004, 03:23:22 AM
[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=39 date=1094526988]Right. I suppose. Their music so overanalyzed you can come up with just about anything. [/quote]

Sorry, I don't mean to depress you.  The *idea* of a planned Beatle conspiracy IS cool.  It just didn't happen.  They were as surprised as anyone over many of the stories attached to what was for them just songs.

It WAS a time where they seemed as if they might know more than the rest of us, they were so on the vanguard of everything.  There was NO ONE bigger than them in the 60's.  They WERE such a part of the times, musically as well as socialogically, that it is not at all surprising the urban legends and folklore and theories began...almost like a religion or something.  Only their very public and final dissolution stemmed the tide of new sects rising up.

I blther on far too much.  The backwards stuff is cool, a lot of it IS there, you can hear it.  Did they put it there on purpose?  According to them, no.  But it still gives me goosebumps when I head 'turn me on deadman'...it DOES say it, clearly, and how in the world anyone then, especially with that technology, could create that effect is impossible.  A creep coincidence.

Let me ask you this:  you seem a bit disappointed about my take on this (which is fine)...did you invest a lot of belief in these things?

Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Sondra on September 07, 2004, 03:31:40 AM
No, it doesn't upset me or anything. I mean, when I said my knowledge on this stuff is limited I meant it! I've been a Bealte fan since I was 4, but I guess I never really got into all this other stuff. So it's more like I've heard the rumors and thought thought they had some validity. But It's interesting to talk to people who have more knowledge on this stuff just for clarification. I could never say I knew anything for certain because I haven't listened to the backwards stuff. But if so many people are hearing Turn me on dead man, how could that be there by sheer coincedence? I don't know. It's all very interesting though.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Mendips on September 07, 2004, 03:53:55 AM
About Beatles lyrics being analyzed, didn't John write 'I am the Walrus' because he'd heard that a teacher in his old school was taking apart Beatles lyrics with his students to see what they meant and John decided to write a bunch of nonsense to keep them guessing?
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Kiss My Bad Self on September 07, 2004, 09:05:47 AM
Alot of the beatles lyrics were just meaningless nonsence but naturally people wanted to explain the lyrics and they will put there own interpretations on them. Thats part of why the paul is dead rumour started and how the manson thing happened. But its also to do with Mansons twisted mind. Yeah i think i am the walrus was started cos of that, and then John an his friend remembered some old playground ryme they used to say at school that had something about yellow matter custard in it. Also lots of other people were analysing his lyrics and he thought it was a bit stupid so he wrote it to keep them guesing. But i reckon there's more to I am the walrus than it just being words thrown together.
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 07, 2004, 11:56:11 AM
The bit at the end of I'm So Tired is John doing a impersonation of a drunk
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Frightwolf on September 07, 2004, 07:17:37 PM
Guys, try playing A Day In The Life backwards again.  This is what I've gotten ever since I saw that dreaded "Undeniable Proof that Paul McCartney was Replaced with a look-alike" site:

"Well Paul he died, he soon come back.  Well Paul he died, he soon come back."
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 07, 2004, 07:18:51 PM
I really don't hear that. :)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Soft_Guitar60 on September 08, 2004, 02:28:42 PM
[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=17 date=1094430763]I've uploaded it - now you can hear it forwards AND backwards... let the arguments commence!!! ;D

[url]http://www.geocities.com/the_end_gb/dmforum/pepper.html[/url][/quote]
Thanks! I agree with herecomesthesun:
"Will Paul come back as superman?"

"Will Paul be back as superman?"
It's the same thing!

I thought John said "How about another one, monsieur, monsieur, monsieur" at the end of 'I'm Only Sleeping'. We'll never know for sure...


Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Frightwolf on September 08, 2004, 04:09:12 PM
Don't ya mean I'm So Tired?

And it STILL sounds like "Well Paul he died, he soon come back."
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 08, 2004, 06:43:57 PM
[quote by=Soft_Guitar60 link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=47 date=1094653722]
I thought John said "How about another one, monsieur, monsieur, monsieur" at the end of 'I'm Only Sleeping'. We'll never know for sure...
[/quote]

It's John playing drunk - linking in with getting up and fixing himself a drink (no, no no!). The whole song has a sort of drunken feel, don't ya think? :)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Mendips on September 08, 2004, 06:48:02 PM
The little Sgt Pepper thingy sounds (to me!) like Paul saying,
Never could see any other way.
heh heh
YIKES!  :P
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: The End on September 08, 2004, 06:52:09 PM
[quote by=Mendips link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1094277891,s=50 date=1094669282]I'm only Sleeping?
[/quote]

I think soft_guitar60 meant I'm So Tired :)
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: Soft_Guitar60 on September 09, 2004, 10:47:58 AM
Yeah, I mean "I'm SoTired". I confuse those songs...
Title: Re: Backwards Messages
Post by: sexy sadie on September 16, 2004, 10:49:58 PM
the "we'll f-you like superman" thing is @ the end of a day in the life, with that weird voice. forwards it kinda sounds like "never could be any other one" but it's just a weird bunch of sounds really