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Title: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 09:04:07 AM
Just been reading about G Martin saying the Penny Lane/SFFE single being the biggest mistake of his career.
So, what if it hadn't been released as a single and they were on Sgt Pepper. Where would you put them, and what would you drop?
I would love to drop Within you Without You, but the album has to have a George song, so no. But I'd drop Good Morning and put Penny Lane as the opener for side two, to give it a more upbeat start.
Drop Fixing a Hole and slot SFFE on side 1 between She's Leaving Home and Mr Kite?
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: In Blue Hawaii on March 03, 2005, 10:34:44 AM
made a tape years ago

side1

splhcb
with a little help..
lucy
getting better
strawberry
she's leaving home
mr. kite

side 2

within you..
penny lane
lovely rita
good morning
splhcb (reprise)
a day in the life


also made a CD

splhcb
with a little help..
lucy
getting better
fixing a hole
strawberry
she's leaving home
mr. kite
within you..
when i'm 64
penny lane
lovely rita
i am the walrus
good morning
splhcb (reprise)
a day in the life
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: MagicAlex
made a tape years ago

side1

splhcb
with a little help..
lucy
getting better
strawberry
she's leaving home
mr. kite

side 2

within you..
penny lane
lovely rita
good morning
splhcb (reprise)
a day in the life



Wow! Almost the same, except we've inverted Penny lane/Within You...
What about when I'm 64? Your a brave man to drop it.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 03, 2005, 08:04:30 PM
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
With A Little Help From My Friends
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Getting Better
Strawberry Fields Forever
Fixing A Hole
She's Leaving Home
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite
Penny Lane
Within You Without You
When I'm 64
Lovely Rita
Good Morning, Good Morning
Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
A Day In The Life
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:05:41 PM
^ Too many tracks dude. Somethings gotta go.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 03, 2005, 08:09:02 PM
Quote from: kevin_b
^ Too many tracks dude. Somethings gotta go.

The reason I dropped nothing is because nothing really needs to be dropped, not to mention Abbey Road had more tracks than that.  The Reprise also leads into A Day In The Life, ditto for the first two tracks, so you basically have 14 right there with the single.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:16:03 PM
^I can't be bothered adding the times up, but would they physically fit. And would they have wanted so many tracks?
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 03, 2005, 08:16:22 PM
Frightwolf, I think the point is that you have too much to fit on a vinyl album.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 03, 2005, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Frightwolf, I think the point is that you have too much to fit on a vinyl album.

I gotcha now.  I was thinking in terms of the CD, and in that case, that would be it.  *goes back to drawing board to figure out how to fit this on a vinyl*
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 03, 2005, 08:20:21 PM
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
With A Little Help From My Friends
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Getting Better
Fixing A Hole
She's Leaving Home
Penny Lane

Lovely Rita
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite
When I'm 64
Strawberry Fields Forever
Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
A Day In The Life

k, I would probably remove WYWY and Good Morning Good Morning, Penny Lane closes Side A, and make Lovely Rita the opener to Side B.  Better :)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: Frightwolf
k, I would probably remove WYWY and Good Morning Good Morning, Penny Lane closes Side A, and make Lovely Rita the opener to Side B.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 03, 2005, 08:25:03 PM
I'd go with a DOUBLE LP, an idea they toyed with originally. Here are the tracks to go on the album.

All the tracks on the issued album, PLUS ...

Only A Northern Song (was to go on the album, until George surfaced with Within You)
SFF
Penny Lane
All Together Now
It's All Too Much
Baby You're A Rich Man
You Know My Name (imo, this fits right into the Pepper groove)

If you use the full eight-minute version of Too Much, and a full length You Know My Name, this is another album's worth of material. All songs were recorded first during Pepper sessions, or straight after.

Just think what a mind-blower of an album THAT would be. Choose your own running order.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 03, 2005, 08:25:10 PM
Quote from: kevin_b

Who's gonna tell George "sorry mate, no song of yours on this album"? I would drop it to, but i don't think politics would allow it. Don't want Mr Harrison walking out
Totally with you on Good Morning. :)

Good point, but we're asking where I would put them ;).  And we let George not have a song on his Rooftop Gig, so he'll forgive us... hopefully  ;D
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:32:43 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
. Choose your own running order.

I wish you'd had a go. I'd like to see what you come up with.

anyone got any thoughts on putting Rain/Paperback Writer on Revolver?
Normal rules, at least one George and 1 Ringo song, fair mix of John and Paul.
Sorry if I'm going on, but I love this kind of sh*t.
(and I don't think we've done the single White Album properly either :P
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 03, 2005, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: kevin_b

I wish you'd had a go. I'd like to see what you come up with.


OK, here we go:

DISK ONE
Side 1 As commercial version
Side 2
Baby You're A Rich Man
You Know My Name
All Together Now
Only A Northern Song
DISK TWO
Side 3
SFF
Penny Lane
It's All Too Much
Side 4 As commercial version

I know Sides 2 and 3 only total about 30 minutes, but there's some pretty heavy listening there.

This double strikes me as being MUCH MORE psychedelic than the single Pepper album! Time to burn it - it would fit on one CD!
 
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:46:14 PM
^Phew. It's a lot to take in. Side 3 does look a bit thin, but your right, the ears will know better than the eyes.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 03, 2005, 08:47:34 PM
Oh, that's easy.  I'd get rid of Good Day Sunshine and Love You To.

Taxman
Eleanor Rigby
I'm Only Sleeping
Here There and Everywhere
She Said She Said
Yellow Submarine
Rain


And Your Bird Can Sing
For No One
Doctor Robert
Paperback Writer
I Want To Tell You
Got To Get You Into My Life
Tomorrow Never Knows

I'd make Rain close off, but really, SSSS wouldn't be a bad way to close off Side 1 itself =P.  I'd put PW between Doctor robert and I Want To Tell You, so we cycle John/Paul/John/Paul/George/Paul/John, and it varies.  And Your Bird Can Sing is a better opener to side 2 than Good Day Sunshine anyway.  How's that? :)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 03, 2005, 08:49:50 PM
Get rid of nothing. P Writer and Rain would still fit on a vinyl album, with all 14 original Revolver songs.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 03, 2005, 08:52:05 PM
Hey kev - how about a separate thread for a Revolver remake? Could get pretty confusing ...
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Frightwolf
Oh, that's easy.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:53:23 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Get rid of nothing. P Writer and Rain would still fit on a vinyl album, with all 14 original Revolver songs.

Still, a 16 track album? This ain't 1963 you know. ;)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Hey kev - how about a separate thread for a Revolver remake? Could get pretty confusing ...

i did, and only Apple-Beatle replied. :'(
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 03, 2005, 08:55:35 PM
Oldies But Goldies had sixteen. The point always is, have you got the space on the record? And - for Beatles - can we fill it with quality?

Revolver + PW + Rain would be pretty strong ...
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 03, 2005, 08:56:00 PM
Quote from: kevin_b

i did, and only Apple-Beatle replied. :'(

I missed it!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 03, 2005, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Get rid of nothing. P Writer and Rain would still fit on a vinyl album, with all 14 original Revolver songs.

Good point -- Revolver lasted little over a half an hour.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 03, 2005, 09:00:44 PM
Quote from: Frightwolf

Good point -- Revolver lasted little over a half an hour.

wow, I did not know that.
OK then.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: In Blue Hawaii on March 04, 2005, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Revolver + PW + Rain would be pretty strong ...

...and Sgt. Pepper with PL/SFF/I Am The Walrus would have been..    :o :o :o :o

..BEATLES beyond infinity!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 04, 2005, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: MagicAlex

...and Sgt. Pepper with PL/SFF/I Am The Walrus would have been..
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 04, 2005, 07:57:07 PM
Quote from: MagicAlex

...and Sgt. Pepper with PL/SFF/I Am The Walrus would have been..
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 04, 2005, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: kevin_b

Agreed. And The White Album with no Rev#9 and closing with Hey Jude!

Rev 9 is where Lennon's head was at. It's an interesting, well-constructed collage. Ditch it for Jude? - no way.

If you're going to ditch anything for Jude, try Martha My Dear & Rocky Raccoon - for me, those two songs are a bit of a waste of space. Imagine if they had not surfaced officially, and turned up only on boots! We'd all be saying, "good decision boys, not to release THOSE songs"!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 04, 2005, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn

Rev 9 is where Lennon's head was at. It's an interesting, well-constructed collage. Ditch it for Jude? - no way.

If you're going to ditch anything for Jude, try Martha My Dear & Rocky Raccoon - for me, those two songs are a bit of a waste of space. Imagine if they had not surfaced officially, and turned up only on boots! We'd all be saying, "good decision boys, not to release THOSE songs"!

Martha My Dear and Rocky Raccoon were excellent songs.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 04, 2005, 09:46:54 PM
OK: Rocky's story line is a total cliche. Nice tune though. But the story makes it a bit of a bore, frankly.

And Martha My Dear is almost certainly NOT about Paul's wretched sheep dog. I have always thought it felt more like it was addressed to Jane Asher (a common interpretation when the WA came out). I feel that Paul may have used the name of Martha (a female dog's name) to say that Jane was a "b i tc h". In any case, the song is to me a weakie.

Post edited as b i t c h was censored to b****. I inserted spaces to fool the censor.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 04, 2005, 09:48:58 PM
Hey Jude, or Revolution 9?

Put it like this: there are many grand and moving love songs, but only one Revolution 9. I can afford to lose Jude.

I'll take Revolution 9, ta very much.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on March 04, 2005, 10:22:37 PM
Hey Jude, you b i t c h.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 04, 2005, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
OK: Rocky's story line is a total cliche. Nice tune though. But the story makes it a bit of a bore, frankly.

And Martha My Dear is almost certainly NOT about Paul's wretched sheep dog. I have always thought it felt more like it was addressed to Jane Asher (a common interpretation when the WA came out). I feel that Paul may have used the name of Martha (a female dog's name) to say that Jane was a "b i tc h". In any case, the song is to me a weakie.

Post edited as b i t c h was censored to b****. I inserted spaces to fool the censor.

Well, we can assume all we want about Martha My Dear, and that's clever of you to point that out (and I don't mean that sarcastically -- that's quite an interpretation :)), but until Paul changes his mind, I would say it's about his dog.  And I can't really debate this one way or the other any further.

As far as Rocky Raccoon goes, I like the Country-Western twist to it, about how he fights in a showdown, gets shot, and then comes back to try again.  I don't find many songs like that in the Beatles catalogue anyway, so it's a very welcome addition.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 04, 2005, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Hey Jude, or Revolution 9?

Put it like this: there are many grand and moving love songs, but only one Revolution 9. I can afford to lose Jude.

I'll take Revolution 9, ta very much.

It isn't "love," per se -- it's to Julian saying that everything will be alright in the long-run.  I haven't encountered many songs with such an incredible, anthemic coda such as Hey Jude, especially not in the Beatles' catalogue, especially in regards to how it can unite an entire crowd so well.  And remember, you won't find many Wild Honey Pies either -- doesn't mean it's good.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 05, 2005, 06:21:39 AM
Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!

But Hey Jude is NOT sung to Julian. It started off as Hey Julian, hey Jules as we all know, as Paul tootled along in his car to visit Cyn & Jules, but the song advanced a LONG way from there.

How can it not be a classic love song? Go out and get her, etc etc. Read the lyrics. Sure it's a love song: one of the great ones too.

A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Sondra on March 05, 2005, 08:25:18 AM
Rocky Raccoon is underrated in my opinion. That song is unique. Who cares about cliches. I could say that about a lot of their songs. Especially the early ones. But I still love them!! Anyway, has anyone ever heard covers of Rocky? I heard Phish do it and this alternative guy whose name escapes me at the moment. They were both awesome and the audiences were way into it. It's got a lot of potential. I mean, I love it the way it is, but I think a lot of Beatles songs could be played on alternative or modern rock stations if bands did cool covers of them. Then the people who never listen to classic rock stations would discover who these true geniuses are!!! More rambling. So sorry!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 05, 2005, 02:19:04 PM
Have to say i quite like Martha, the melody and arrangement are very catchy (horrible word I know, but you know what I mean). I never get too hung up on Pauls lyrics (I think he just plays with words that sound nice together), I think with his songs its best to go for the total package
Rocky R I like too. Its funny in the same way as Bungalow Bill (which I like, but would drop b4 I'd drop Rocky.)
Rev #9-stick it on Zapple John. It don't belong on a Beatles record.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: An Apple Beatle on March 05, 2005, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!



A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog!

I read that it was to his dog too. Martha was the name of his english sheep-dog. I mean you have some points Ydoll but would he say 'Hold your head up you silly girl'? about Jane?  Was'nt he just splitting up with Jane around this time? Maybe the dog was the only love he was feelin at the time. Someone who was unaffected by his notoriety. Anyway, Paul is a songwriter...he takes bits from here and there and then....BINGO!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on March 05, 2005, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: An_Apple_Beatle

I read that it was to his dog too. Martha was the name of his english sheep-dog. I mean you have some points Ydoll but would he say 'Hold your head up you silly girl'? about Jane?
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 05, 2005, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn
Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!

But Hey Jude is NOT sung to Julian. It started off as Hey Julian, hey Jules as we all know, as Paul tootled along in his car to visit Cyn & Jules, but the song advanced a LONG way from there.

How can it not be a classic love song? Go out and get her, etc etc. Read the lyrics. Sure it's a love song: one of the great ones too.

A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog!

I don't mind the naysaying at all -- I haven't actually had a real debate in a while :)!

The fact is that with the stories from Cynthia about Paul coming to her house and comforting her and Julian, and Paul's own claim that that's what the song is about, the song would most likely be about Julian.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on March 05, 2005, 05:44:02 PM
"Help" was written about/and as a thank you, to Pete Shotton, his childhood friend that would hang out with him at Weybridge when the Beatles had a minute or two to spend at home, and gave John a sense of normalcy in his life.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on March 05, 2005, 05:50:17 PM
I haven't read that before.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Bobber on September 05, 2005, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: kevin_b
Just been reading about G Martin saying the Penny Lane/SFFE single being the biggest mistake of his career.

I think George Martin meant that it was not a good idea to put two great songs on a single and release it as a double a-side. Afterwards he realised he'd rather have whether SFF or Penny Lane as the a-side and When I'm 64 on the back. That would also have meant When I'm 64 should not have been on Sgt Pepper. It's true that the single did not reach the #1-position, whereas it contains two of the best things The Beatles ever recorded.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Frightwolf on September 05, 2005, 08:58:55 PM
Yea, but they made it up with Hey Jude/Revolution, which was another great single (imo, better than the fantastic SFF/Penny Lane single).

But, to stay on-topic, where did you read that he wanted When I'm 64 as a B-Side? That's interesting, but something I haven't heard of before.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Bobber on September 06, 2005, 07:25:01 AM
I think it was on the Anthology, but I'll have to check on that. At the end of 1966, after their sabbatical three months, they had recorded three songs, meant for a new album: Strawberry Fields, Penny Lane and When I'm 64. Brian Epstein wanted to release a single and asked George Martin what was available. He told Brian he had three songs, from which two of them were among the best The Beatles ever recorded. They decided to make it a double a-side. The single did not reach the #1 position and George Martin blamed himself for that. He thought it might have been better to promote whether SFF or PL as the new single, not both of them.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: GreenApple on September 30, 2005, 01:58:29 PM
I have an idea to record all the songs from 1967, including Only A Northern Song, onto CD, and have my own 'album' called 1967. Alternating tracks from Sgt. Pepper and Magical Mystery tour, to make it more interesting. You could argue that it's good that Penny Lane and SFFE found their way onto MMT, but if they hadn't put them there the band might have had to write new songs or recorded unrecorded ones for us!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Bobber on June 01, 2007, 11:06:40 AM
A nice day to bump this thread?
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on June 01, 2007, 11:59:50 AM
I've changed my mind somewhat since then. I'd drop Lovely Rita and Good Morning.
I'm having trouble with the running order, but the opening 3 tracks would have to stay as is, WY WY has to open side 2 and ADINTL has to be the closer
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Bobber on June 01, 2007, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: 185
I've changed my mind somewhat since then. I'd drop Lovely Rita and Good Morning.
I'm having trouble with the running order, but the opening 3 tracks would have to stay as is, WY WY has to open side 2 and ADINTL has to be the closer

Can you make a list of that?
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on June 01, 2007, 12:30:27 PM
Here's mine, dropping Getting Better and Good Morning, Good Morning:

01. Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
02. With A Little Help From My Friends
03. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
04. Fixing A Hole
05. Penny Lane
06. She's Leaving Home
07. Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite
08. Within You Without You
09. Strawberry Fields Forever
10. Lovely Rita
11. When I'm Sixty Four
12. Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
13. Day In The Life
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on June 01, 2007, 12:39:49 PM
May I critique?
Looks good, but aren't WY WY and SFF a bit of the same pace? It's a long time without a pick me up. I say this only because SFF is the one I have trouble placing.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Andy Smith on June 01, 2007, 09:17:44 PM
I can't see the album being any different, i really can't :-/
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on June 02, 2007, 12:19:31 AM
I blame Engelbert Humperdinck and  " Release Me " for all this talk lol :)

DaveRam :)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on June 02, 2007, 09:09:24 AM
Having just done the math, side one clocks in at 19:51, and side 2 at 19:59. It's actually possible to have stuck them on there without taking anything off.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on June 02, 2007, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: 483
Having just done the math, side one clocks in at 19:51, and side 2 at 19:59. It's actually possible to have stuck them on there without taking anything off.

Good Morning Good Morning has to go.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: An Apple Beatle on June 02, 2007, 10:23:03 AM
Ahh heres the thread I was referring to in another post...for my 2 cents...drop at least Lovely Rita...Weak in comparison. The brass and those tom breaks in Good Morning make it a keeper for me. hehe
Getting Better has GOT to be there too so if another was to be dropped...hmmmm now that is tough...personally speaking 'Within You, Without You' although I appreciate it's cultural importance to the plot.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: harihead on June 02, 2007, 02:39:05 PM
Quote from: 483
Having just done the math, side one clocks in at 19:51, and side 2 at 19:59. It's actually possible to have stuck them on there without taking anything off.

Argh! No wonder George Martin is still kicking himself over omitting these. He knows they would have fit, and become part of this classic release. Poor man. Poor fans! *puckers lower lip*
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: adamzero on June 02, 2007, 07:04:57 PM
I'd keep Good Morning Good Morning because it fits the urban alienation theme.  I'd drop either Lovely Rita or When I'm 64--I know people love the latter, but I think She's Leaving Home covers the nostalgia period theme adequately.  

Here's my sample.

01. Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
02. With A Little Help From My Friends
03. Strawberry Fields Forever
04. Fixing A Hole
05. Penny Lane
06. Within You Without You

07.  Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
08.  Lovely Rita (or When I'm 64)
09.  Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite
10.  She's Leaving Home
11.  Good Morning Good Morning
12.  Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
13.  Day In The Life
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Flaming Pie in the Sky on June 02, 2007, 09:44:00 PM
Quote from: 9
Here's my sample.

01. Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
02. With A Little Help From My Friends
03. Strawberry Fields Forever
04. Fixing A Hole
05. Penny Lane
06. Within You Without You

07.  Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
08.  Lovely Rita (or When I'm 64)
09.  Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite
10.  She's Leaving Home
11.  Good Morning Good Morning
12.  Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
13.  Day In The Life

I like it!!! Very nice  (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: fendertele on July 25, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
1. sgt peppers lonely heart club band
2. with a little help from my friends
3. getting better
4. when im 64
5. lovely rita
6. fixing a hole
7. shes leaving home
8. penny lane
9. strawberry fields
10. being for the benifit of mr kite
11. only a northern song
12. lucy in the sky with diamonds
13. sgt peppers reprise


im gonna leave out good morning good morning, within you without you, and a day in the life, ive choose these ones to be left out as i usually skip wywy and ive grew bored of listening to the other 2 especially a day in the life
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on July 25, 2007, 09:44:14 AM
You'd seriously drop A Day In The Life for Only A Northern song????
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: fendertele on July 25, 2007, 09:47:00 AM
yeah this is just for personal listening yeah or is how it should have been released ? if it for personal then id drop it purely as ive played the death out of it and i personally  love only a northern song the weird chord changes, also i felt it never fitted in with sgt peppers album along with wywy, i never listen to a day the life at all whenever i listen to splhcb i tend to turn it off after lovely rita
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 25, 2007, 09:58:50 AM
I think 'Only A Northern song' is one of the worst songs ever recorded by them, as a band or solo.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: fendertele on July 25, 2007, 10:04:28 AM
im not sure why i love it so much but after watchign the yellow submarine when i was younger it just stuck in my head i think its the part where he sings and it really doesnt matter........ and the music is flowing behind it and the weirdest chord changes and it probably explains how blue jay way is also one of my faves, i used to listen to a day in the life a lot when i was younger as it was my mates favourite song of the beatles but i just never got into it :S
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on July 25, 2007, 10:12:56 AM
I just can't imagine Pepper without that big finish.
And it doesn't fit? If there is a thread to Pepper its dealing with the humdrum of every day life - A Liitle Help With My Friends, Fixing a Hole, Getting Better, She's Leaving Home, Good Morning Good Morning, When I'm 64, WIWY. It seems to fit wonderfully to me.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: harihead on July 25, 2007, 10:42:27 AM
I suppose we all have our favorites and our songs we would skip. I personally dislike "When I'm 64"... rather intensely. I do enjoy 'Only A Northern Song' because the humor in it just hits the spot for me, but I adore "A Day in the Life". So haunting.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 25, 2007, 10:48:49 AM
Fendertele loves it so much he/she had to tell us 5 times!! :)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: fendertele on July 25, 2007, 11:01:15 AM
lmao bluemeanie i never even realised that had happened i must have edited it and everytime i did it, it made a another post soz guys
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Andy Smith on July 26, 2007, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: 483
I think 'Only A Northern song' is one of the worst songs ever recorded by them, as a band or solo.

I think it was George's worst song in the Beatles & i've never been keen on it. :-/

Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on August 30, 2007, 02:40:13 AM
To drop "Within You and Without You" is SACRILEGE!!! (not just because George has always been my favorite Beatle, but the song is so representative of the meditation kick they were on at the time)

..but Penny Lane and SFFE (2 of my fave tracks of all time) were both from those famous "preliminary" Pepper sessions (near the end of '66 Oct/Nov when John was just back from Spain where he was filming "How I Won The War"--and where he wrote SFFE during a break in the shooting) The sessions for the album really took off in momentum by Jan '67 (onwards to early Spring)--I don't blame Sir George Martin so much as probably pressure from the brass at EMI at the time to get the new single out...as a possible "teaser" before the Magnum Opus was sprung on the world (the Pepper album itself) Remember during the months building up to the June '67 release of the LP, The Fab were not only working diligently on the masterpiece but purposely keeping a low profile so as not to reveal too much to the press about the great musical "surprise" they were getting ready to present to an unsuspecting world ! (I remember the IMPACT of the album--what a memory !! I was 14 at the time..it was fantastic !!...I also remember the Monkees "Headquarters" was released the VERY SAME TIME---haha..it NEVER STOOD A CHANCE !! lol) Yes, I agree w/ most that these two classics BELONGED on Pepper..always felt they were SO indiginious to the work. But at LEAST they EXIST!!

if I had my way....(and THIS isn't tough), I'd HALF-RELUCTANTLY drop "Fixing A Hole" and put George's strange, but fitting "Only A Northern Song" in it's place (sorry Paulie, "Fixing A Hole" seems better suited to  the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack somehow..(also in the film..doesnt it FIT w/ little "Jeremy" in The SEA of Holes" fixing one" while the song played???....DUH !!!..why didnt THEY think of that ??? lol) Then I'd happily put "Penny Lane" right after "Good Morning,Good Morning" (right after "fox chase" fade-out..just then in chimes McCartney with the first lines of P. L....nice, huh ? I think so...) Next I'd place "Strawberry Fields" directly after "When I'm Sixty Four"...I think this juxtapositioning would be mind-blowing ...emotionally powerful. Of course, the way things stand ALREADY is pretty damn amazing too !!!! wow..

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Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: harihead on August 30, 2007, 03:02:06 AM
Great post, Mean Mr. Mustard! I feel your excitement, as if I were there at the time. (Actually, I was somewhere, but I forget where. Probably climbing crabapple trees and playing with dinosaurs in the sandbox.)

The great beauty of PL and SFFE is that they can fit on the album with no drops. Someone in this forum, I believe, calculated that. I would have really liked to see that take place. :)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on August 30, 2007, 03:24:23 AM
thx, harihead (hari khrisna too)       I'd give my right arm to go back to those days (only THIS TIME I'd be 25 in '67 so I could really APPRECIATE Pepper right away---at 14, it took me a little while to figure out it's complexity)

anyway...the "no drops" thing would save "Fixing A Hole" then...cool. It's funny how the UK/ Parlophone and U.S. /Capitol LPs up to "Revolver" always differed so much in sequencing and in add/drops...but when Pepper came out, it was the SAME album on both sides of The Pond...which PROVES they wanted NO TAMPERING with this particular album's "theme" and set the "hands off, Yanks" precedent for future albums (the Magical Mystery Tour UK ep, notwithstanding, of course...in THAT instance, the American LP is an improvement)

(ps: the only song I didnt like on Pepper was "Reprise"--I know it was meant as a "coda" of sorts..but I always thought Paul knocked that one together in two minutes...not living up to the greatness that he's capable of)

kjm
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: tkitna on August 30, 2007, 05:55:22 AM
Screw George. Drop 'Within You Without You' and 'When I'm 64'. You add 'Penny Lane' and 'Strawberry Fields' all of a sudden Sgt. Peppers is the greatest album of all time. Hell, its not far off now.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on August 30, 2007, 08:38:04 AM
Hi Mean Mr. Mustard. Welcome to the board. You arrived overnight when I was sleeping.

You managed to single out 2 of my favourite parts of Sgt. Pepper: Fixing A Hole, and Sgt. Pepper (reprise). I think Good Morning, Good Morning is the worst song on the album, so it would be awful to go straight into A Day In The Life after that. It prepares you nicely for the big ending. IMHO of course!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on August 30, 2007, 09:06:12 AM
I remember Mr Martin saying that his biggest regret about Pepper was that it lacked memorable tunes. While songs may have been intricate and interesting they failed the "old grey whistle test" - there weren't that many tunes you could hum along to on the way to work.This had always been a hallmark of The Beatles  and one of the reasons for their success. They wrote excellent melodies.
The inclusion of the droning "Only A Northern Song" would surely only have made matters worse. Dumping the tuneless "Good Morning Good Morning" would have been a big step up.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on August 30, 2007, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: 185
Dumping the tuneless "Good Morning Good Morning" would have been a big step up.

That would bring it down to around 37 minutes. Surely there would have been enough room for SFF/PL then? Actually, I would have just included SFF. And put out Penny Lane as a single with Good Morning, Good Morning as the b-side.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: harihead on August 30, 2007, 12:32:16 PM
Hey, I like that idea! PL has "single" written all over it... :)

Quote from: 373
Screw George. Drop 'Within You Without You' and 'When I'm 64'.
LOL! It's great how we would all passionately "fix" this album... differently!  ;D  Cheers.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on August 30, 2007, 01:09:03 PM
As much as I adore, admire and appreciate SFF I'm not convinced it was a wise choice for a single. The combination of its slowness, complicated melody and lack of any real hook doesn't suit primetime radio, whence it must linger if it is to chart.
I like BM's idea.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Klang on September 12, 2007, 03:11:02 AM

For me, 'Good Morning, Good Morning' could be axed, and possibly also 'She's Leaving Home', which is quite nice but has never seemed to fit in with the rest of the album. 'When I'm Sixty-Four' seems a bit incongruous to me as well. Can't touch 'WIWY', though, and it's far better than 'Only A Northern Song' as far as I'm concerned.

I like the idea of 'SFF' after 'With A Little Help From My Friends' (a great change of mood after all the hooplah of the opening tracks), and 'Penny Lane' could be a great side 2 opener.

 :)

Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: wingsman on September 12, 2007, 04:18:51 PM
I don't see SFF and PL in the Sgt Pepper. Those were songs recorded to be singles. They could never include the 2 songs in the album, because they were released 3.5 months before.

Welcome, Klang! Enjoy the forums! And talking about Pepper, an splendid time is guaranteed for all! :) (I have to stop to say that...)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2007, 04:40:06 PM
Quote from: 713
I don't see SFF and PL in the Sgt Pepper. Those were songs recorded to be singles. They could never include the 2 songs in the album, because they were released 3.5 months before.


Sorry no. They were recorded as part of what would become the Sgt Pepper Sessions. As Wiki says:
"When manager Brian Epstein pressed producer George Martin for a new Beatles single, Martin told Epstein that the group had recorded what were, in his opinion, their two finest songs to date ("Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane"). Epstein suggested that Martin issue the songs as a double A-sided single, as they had done with their previous single, "Yellow Submarine/Eleanor Rigby". Following UK protocol in the 1960s not to include songs released as a single within a new album, both songs were ultimately left off Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band altogether. George Martin later admitted that this was his greatest mistake during his association with The Beatles."
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Bobber on September 12, 2007, 06:47:37 PM
They had recorded three songs at that time. When I'm 64 was the other one. Martin said that two of those three songs recorded were amongst the best they had ever made. It would have been better to use either Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields as the a-side and When I'm 64 as the b-side. That would make the way clear for PL or SFF to be included on the album. Personally I feel that Penny Lane could have been the more attractive single, whereas Strawberry Fields fits somewhat better on the album.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on September 12, 2007, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: 63
They had recorded three songs at that time. When I'm 64 was the other one. Martin said that two of those three songs recorded were amongst the best they had ever made. It would have been better to use either Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields as the a-side and When I'm 64 as the b-side. That would make the way clear for PL or SFF to be included on the album. Personally I feel that Penny Lane could have been the more attractive single, whereas Strawberry Fields fits somewhat better on the album.

this is the best placement scenario I've heard yet for PL and SFF

Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Klang on September 13, 2007, 04:34:12 AM
Quote from: 713
...Welcome, Klang! Enjoy the forums! ...

Hey, Thanks. A fun and very informed bunch of folks here. I dig a...

 8)

Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Buttmunker on September 26, 2007, 01:20:41 AM
George Harrison worked on Only A Northern Song before he worked on Within You, Without You, but George Martin didn't care for the implication to Northern Songs Inc, and the song was therefore shelved (and used later as a "throwaway" song for the Yellow Submarine movie, which is such bullspit and such a diss to Harrison).

I always loved Only A Northern Song, and never cared for Within You, Without You, but that's beside the point of this thread.  The OP mentioned that Within You was the only Harrison song on the album, therefore it couldn't be dropped, but what if Northern Song was there instead.

Anyway, and I know people will think I'm crazy, but I'd drop Day In The Life.  I find the instrumentation annoying, how it goes to that high pitch more than once in the song.  If I'm playing it in the car with older family members, they're tempted to tell me to change the CD because it is really unlistenable.

So that song is dropped.  What next?  Hmmm...drop She's Leaving Home.  That song doesn't even fit in the album's concept, if you ask me.  How biast George Martin is (or a complete ass-kisser) towards Paul vs George.  She's Leaving Home should have been the throwaway, and kept Only A Northern Song.

So, with A Day In The Life and She's Leaving Home dropped, you can now add in Penny Lane and SFF.

I never did understand why just because they were released as singles prior to the album being released that they couldn't include them?  
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: matthew on September 27, 2007, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: 828
  How biast George Martin is (or a complete ass-kisser) towards Paul vs George.  

any evidence to support this claim?

Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: matthew on September 27, 2007, 08:17:40 PM
i can't think of any song to drop from sgt peppers.... a day in the life is untouchable...

the rest of the songs are consistently great... all strong tracks... i don't see any that jump out as a possible reject

on the other hand.... dr robert on revolver
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on September 27, 2007, 08:20:17 PM
on the other hand, It's Only Love off Revolver
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: on September 27, 2007, 08:20:44 PM
on the other hand, It's Only Love off Help! (UK)

(it was on the Capitol Rubber Soul)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Buttmunker on October 15, 2007, 03:25:24 PM
I never understood why "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" had to be dropped from the album just because they were singles first?  "Come Together" was a single from Abbey Road, yet it was still on the album.

Frankly, I'd have dropped "She's Leaving Home" and "Fixing A Hole" to include PL & SFF.

And I would have also switched out George's "Within You Without You" with the song he wanted first - "Only A Northern Song."
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on October 15, 2007, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: 828
I never understood why "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" had to be dropped from the album just because they were singles first?  "Come Together" was a single from Abbey Road, yet it was still on the album.

Because up to that point it had become Beatle policy not to double up singles and album tracks. The exceptions were the "soundtrack" albums AHDN and Help!
Eleanor Rigby/YS were an exception, but at least had the dignity of being released on the same day as the album so they were still "new." SFF/PL would have been nearly half a year old by the time of Pepper and could have been seen as a detraction from an album of new material.
By the time of Come Together the game was up. They'd stopped recording and needed a single. And lifting a single from an old (1 month) album would have (and still is) been much more kosher than including already released songs (half a year) on a new album.
I think to truly appreciate WYWY you have to hear it for what it was intended to be - the opener for side 2. As a song among many (how it comes across on CD) it looses its impact. Very much in the same way you have to hear Long Long Long as the closer for side 3 of the White Album, not as just another song on some long playlist. (They did think about these things you know. Openers and closers for sides of vinyl was important and gathered much attention when compiling albums.)
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 15, 2007, 03:53:58 PM
Quote from: 185
I think to truly appreciate WYWY you have to hear it for what it was intended to be - the opener for side 2. As a song among many (how it comes across on CD) it looses its impact. Very much in the same way you have to hear Long Long Long as the closer for side 3 of the White Album, not as just another song on some long playlist. (They did think about these things you know. Openers and closers for sides of vinyl was important and gathered much attention when compiling albums.)

It's a problem that is seldom addressed these days. The record labels just stick an old album out on CD without thinking about running order. On the CD I'd actually move WYWY to maybe come after Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. It does feel like it's stuck out on it's own.

Some bands that still release vinyl often change the running order. Radiohead, for instance, have often done this.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on October 15, 2007, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: 483

It's a problem that is seldom addressed these days. The record labels just stick an old album out on CD without thinking about running order. On the CD I'd actually move WYWY to maybe come after Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. It does feel like it's stuck out on it's own.

Some bands that still release vinyl often change the running order. Radiohead, for instance, have often done this.

Oooh - controversial. f***ing with the running order. Tis betwixt a rock and a hard place I find myself.
Personally I think they should program CD's to stop playing at the end of a "side", and not come back on until you've rolled a joint and walked around the living room.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 15, 2007, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: 185

Oooh - controversial. f***ing with the running order. Tis betwixt a rock and a hard place I find myself.
Personally I think they should program CD's to stop playing at the end of a "side", and not come back on until you've rolled a joint and walked around the living room.

Actually not a bad idea! Automatically pause until you press play again. Not enough thought is given to CD's. They think that because they can get 80 minutes of music on them, that they must be filled up. Too many CD's I've bought over the years are at least a third 'filler', and 80 minutes is just too long without a break. It's where vinyl wins over CD; strong song to open, good song to finish side one, belter to open side 2. Now all the good stuff is just shuvved to the beginning. Sorry, I've gone OT, I shall have to have a rant on my blog!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Buttmunker on October 15, 2007, 05:28:05 PM
I purposely hold some good stuff back for the end of my 80 minute CD-R's :)

Of course, when it comes to Beatles, I have two solid 80 minute CD-R's with no songs I "just like."  The third one, however, I had to mix in some songs I'm only half-tired of.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: harihead on October 16, 2007, 01:45:02 AM
I liked your rant, BlueMeanie and Kevin. Very thought-provoking. I was just noticing this about "Abbey Road"; some people were talking about "side 1" and what they meant were all the songs listed along the left on the back of the CD package. But we know it's not side 1! It was actually a little distressing, as I knew this album well in my youth and I still mentally hear the pause between switching sides.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: The Swine on October 16, 2007, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: 828
I never understood why "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" had to be dropped from the album just because they were singles first?  "Come Together" was a single from Abbey Road, yet it was still on the album.

Frankly, I'd have dropped "She's Leaving Home" and "Fixing A Hole" to include PL & SFF.

And I would have also switched out George's "Within You Without You" with the song he wanted first - "Only A Northern Song."

only a northern song would have been the albums worst song by a mile. somehow i dont feel penny lane and strawberry fields on sgt pepper, but thats maybe because ive grown accustomed to it like it is. maybe penny lane backed by when im 64 could have been a good single, thus including strawberry fields on the album. but wasnt it the beatles policy to split the a and bsides of a single between paul and john? might be wrong here.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Sea of Time on January 06, 2008, 01:09:25 AM
George Martin said in his Sgt. Pepper's making of book if he could do it over he would have had either Strawberry... or Penny Lane on Sgt. Pepper's and had When I'm 64 be the b-side.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: theBEATLESrock_on on March 30, 2008, 08:23:14 PM
here's what they shoulda done: made it 2 disks w/ all the songs current songs and more!!!! i know i know, they weren't written, but they could have tried to make a double disk and they could have featured a bonus interview!!!
Title: Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane in Sgt Pepper album
Post by: Euan Buchan on September 12, 2009, 03:32:19 PM
After watching The Making of Sgt Pepper thaught it be interesting to see were these songs would be if they were on the album heres a good place for them

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 
2. With A Little Help From My Friends 
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 
4. Getting Better 
5. Fixing A Hole 
6.Strawberry Fields Forever
7. She's Leaving Home 
7. Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite 
8. Within You Without You 
9. When I'm Sixty Four 
10.Penny Lane
11. Lovely Rita 
12. Good Morning Good Morning 
13. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) 
14. A Day In The Life
Title: Re: Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane in Sgt Pepper album
Post by: ShesCominDownFastYesSheIs on September 30, 2009, 05:15:51 PM
After watching The Making of Sgt Pepper thaught it be interesting to see were these songs would be if they were on the album heres a good place for them

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band  
2. With A Little Help From My Friends  
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds  
4. Getting Better  
5. Fixing A Hole  
6.Strawberry Fields Forever
7. She's Leaving Home  
7. Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite  
8. Within You Without You  
9. When I'm Sixty Four  
10.Penny Lane
11. Lovely Rita  
12. Good Morning Good Morning  
13. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)  
14. A Day In The Life


Not sure I like When I'm 64 and Penny Lane back to back like that.

Anyway, here's mine.....

Side 1:
1. Sgt. Peppers
2. With A Little Help from my Friends
3. Fixing A Hole
4. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
5. Getting Better
6. She's Leaving Home
7. Penny Lane
8. Strawberry Fields Forever

Side 2:
9. Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite
10. Within You Without You
11. When I'm 64
12. Lovely Rita
13. Good Morning Good Morning
14. Sgt. Peppers Reprise
15. A Day in the Life
Title: Re: Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane in Sgt Pepper album
Post by: Kevin on October 01, 2009, 08:18:32 AM
After watching The Making of Sgt Pepper thaught it be interesting to see were these songs would be if they were on the album heres a good place for them

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 
2. With A Little Help From My Friends 
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 
4. Getting Better 
5. Fixing A Hole 
6.Strawberry Fields Forever
7. She's Leaving Home 
7. Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite 
8. Within You Without You 
9. When I'm Sixty Four 
10.Penny Lane
11. Lovely Rita 
12. Good Morning Good Morning 
13. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) 
14. A Day In The Life


Like the list - but could you physically put this number of songs on a piece of vinyl in 67?
And 3 Paul songs in a row?
Beatle etiquitte my friend, Beatle etiquitte.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Bobber on October 01, 2009, 12:33:12 PM
Like the list - but could you physically put this number of songs on a piece of vinyl in 67?

There's two number 7's, but it shouldn't be a problem. Prior to Sgt Pepper all Beatles albums, with the exception of A Hard Day's Night, had 14 songs on it.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Kevin on October 01, 2009, 12:45:28 PM
There's two number 7's, but it shouldn't be a problem. Prior to Sgt Pepper all Beatles albums, with the exception of A Hard Day's Night, had 14 songs on it.

Damn you're right. Seems a 33 1/3 LP can take between 45 and 52 minutes. That BIG Pepper has 44.18 minutes on it.
Not that I checked or anything.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 01, 2009, 01:14:29 PM
The total running time of The White Album is just over 92 mins, so it would have been possible.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Bobber on October 01, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Damn you're right. Seems a 33 1/3 LP can take between 45 and 52 minutes. That BIG Pepper has 44.18 minutes on it.
Not that I checked or anything.

Of course not. It's basic knowledge.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Melack on October 04, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
Of course Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane are better than many songs on Sgt Pepper.

But still I wouldn't wanna change the album.

One thing I love about this bands is their amazing ability to release great singles that didn't have to be on an album (ok these two songs ended up on mmt but you get what I mean)

These two songs together is one of the best singles ever released. And Sgt Pepper is still a great album. I think sometimes people concentrate too much on that Beatles was a great album band, but to me they were just as much of a great singles band.

They mastered both areas in magnificent ways.

They could release an amazing album as TWA and still keep Hey Jude and Revolution as single tracks only.

Same goes with the brilliant Rubber Soul that had We Can Work It Out and Day Tripper as single tracks only.

And the list goes on and on.

The Beatles are both the best album band ever but also the best single band ever.
So I wouldn't wanna change Sgt Pepper even if I could revise history.
 
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: czgibson on October 04, 2009, 06:05:37 PM
Damn you're right. Seems a 33 1/3 LP can take between 45 and 52 minutes. That BIG Pepper has 44.18 minutes on it.
Not that I checked or anything.

The Stereo remaster is 39:50
Strawberry Fields Forever is 4:10
Penny Lane is 3:03

I make that 47:03.

I think it would make a great album, although I'm not sure where the tracks should go. I read somewhere that George Martin later thought that leaving them off the album was "a dreadful mistake".

The longest single LP I can think of is Todd Rundgren's Initiation, coming in at a whopping 67:34.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: georgeharrisonluver on October 04, 2009, 06:39:47 PM
I was bored so I decided to do this myself, Here's my list...

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 
2. With A Little Help From My Friends 
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 
4. Getting Better 
5. Fixing A Hole 
6.Strawberry Fields Forever
7. She's Leaving Home
8.Penny Lane 
9. Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite 
10.Within You Without You 
11. When I'm Sixty Four 
12.Lovely Rita 
13.Good Morning Good Morning 
14.Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) 
15. A Day In The Life

I would take off Good Morning, Good Morning to make it fit
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 04, 2009, 07:23:44 PM
I was bored so I decided to do this myself, Here's my list...

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 
2. With A Little Help From My Friends 
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 
4. Getting Better 
5. Fixing A Hole 
6.Strawberry Fields Forever
7. She's Leaving Home
8.Penny Lane 
9. Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite
10.Within You Without You 
11. When I'm Sixty Four 
12.Lovely Rita 
13.Good Morning Good Morning 
14.Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) 
15. A Day In The Life

I would take off Good Morning, Good Morning to make it fit

So would I.!
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: nyfan(41) on October 04, 2009, 11:52:07 PM
i wasn't around when it came out but from watching documentaries, etc, i got the impression that SFF/PL served as a preview for the new direction of Beatles music.
it whet the publics appetite/curiosity and placated them with new material while they waited for pepper  . . . arguably, pepper might not have hit the public consciousness the same way if that double A side hadn't served as a 'teaser' to break the new sound a bit at a time

even movies have previews + coming attractions to build public interest and start a gradual momentum

the pre-pepper SFF/PL single release was a perfectly timed marketing masterstroke
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: ArthurVandelay on October 05, 2009, 01:59:54 AM
Keeping the same number of tracks on the album...

Side 1
1. Sgt Pepper
2. Help From My Friends
3. Kite
4. Fixing a Hole
5. Lucy
6. She's Leaving Home
7. Strawberry Fields

Side 2
1. Penny Lane
2. Within You Without You
3. When I'm 64
4. Lovely Rita
5. Sgt. Peppers Reprise
6. A Day in the Life

Getting Better and Good Morning released as a single instead of PL and SFF.
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on October 16, 2009, 10:18:48 PM
A-side:
1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
2. With A Little Help From My Friends
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4. Getting Better
5. Fixing A Hole
6. She's Leaving Home
7. Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite

B-side:
1. Within You Without You
2. When I'm Sixty Four
3. Strawberry Fields Forever
4. Penny Lane
5. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (reprise)
6. A Day In The Life

I'd simply put "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" in the places of "Lovely Rita" and "Good Morning Good Morning" (in my opinion, the weaker tracks on the album).
Title: Re: Penny Lane/SF on Sgt Pepper
Post by: real01 on December 25, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
I would never ever mix Penny & Strawberries with Sgt. Pepper.