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Beatles forums => The Beatles => Topic started by: blmeanie on June 27, 2012, 12:31:49 AM
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I believe there are 5 phases of appreciation of Ringo:
1 - first discover the Beatles, love the seemingly simple melodies and beats
2 - get told Ringo sucks compared to great rock drummers that have cool solos incorporated into their songs
3 - accept/wonder if it is true, defend him best you can, have many doubts yourself
4 - continue listening to hidden complexities in his drumming, begin to believe again he is "good"
5 - laugh off criticisms from non-Beatle fans, know his skills expertly match what was needed within the band
Style is everything, Ringo was likely never asked to shine and can you imagine a different style of drumming on Beatles tracks?
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Is this sarcasm?
And should probably be in the Ringo board
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no sarcasm, believe there are different levels of appreciation many people go through with Ringo.
Ringo section is under "solo" forums, felt it was more a Beatles comment.
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no sarcasm, believe there are different levels of appreciation many people go through with Ringo.
Ringo section is under "solo" forums, felt it was more a Beatles comment.
Yeah, didn't strike me as being sarcastic. I think I went through a similar "learning curve" myself, in fact.
While I'm aware that Ringo is not the greatest drummer on the planet, I'm also aware that he is by no means the worst, and he wasn't just a hanger-on in The Beatles - he was an integral part of their sound and came up with some really unique drum patterns and fills that still stand out as original to this day.
His singing, however, is another matter ;D
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Ringo was the best drummer FOR the Beatles. It's easy in hindsight to compare him unfavorably to other drummers. But at the time he joined the band, who but Ringo could drive the band the way he did?
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i don't get this either, Ringo was by himself a very talented and accomplished drummer before the beatles.
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i don't get this either, Ringo was by himself a very talented and accomplished drummer before the beatles.
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That's a clever list, blmeanie, and it's similar to the way I became a Beatles fan and grew to truly appreciate Ringo.
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i don't get this either, Ringo was by himself a very talented and accomplished drummer before the beatles.
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That's not what is being discussed. This isn't a Ringo-bashing thread - it's the exact opposite.
It's basically about the fact that there are still lots of non-Beatles fans who just think Ringo wasn't any good - and how we, as Beatles fans, have responded to that.
My experience was the same as noted in the original post - I fell in love with Beatles music when I was young, then later on I realised that other people were knocking Ringo as a drummer and I began to have doubts myself. But then, after a while, I saw exactly what he brought to the Beatles sound and how they would have been a very different band without him. I realised that the Ringo-bashers were wrong, and once I was a little older this was reinforced when I began to meet drummers for myself, and none of THEM thought Ringo was rubbish either. In fact, I don't think I've ever met a drummer who didn't rate Ringo.
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That's not what is being discussed. This isn't a Ringo-bashing thread - it's the exact opposite.
wrong. i am just pointing out the obvious, you only need to put on a beatles record or listen to a beatles rock n roll song to determine that ringo was a very good drummer and that the beatles sound was very unique and innovative. roll:) and i must say that i disagree with the tone of your rather unfortunate, spiritless and bombastic remarks. i also take issue with this idea of beatles songs being only simple melodies and beats, in fact every beatles song is heavily textured and very complicated. fact is ringo was a good drummer and his drumming is unique to the beatles sound. end of story.
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wrong.
What do you mean, "wrong"?
blmeanie - who started this thread - has just agreed with the point I made, supporting the original post. How can I be "wrong"?!
roll:) and i must say that i disagree with the tone of your rather unfortunate, spiritless and bombastic remarks. i also take issue with this idea of beatles songs being only simple melodies and beats, in fact every beatles song is heavily textured and very complicated. fact is ringo was a good drummer and his drumming is unique to the beatles sound. end of story.
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What exactly did I say that was "unfortunate, spiritless and bombastic"? I was just pointing out that you have the wrong end of the stick, and that no-one in this thread is criticising Ringo's drumming.
In fact, responding to a post and beginning with the word "wrong" and ending with the phrase "end of story" is what I'd call the exact definition of "unfortunate, spiritless and bombastic".
And who said anything about Beatles songs having "simple melodies and beats"? I certainly didn't.
Have I missed something? Is this a wind up? Am I on Candid Camera? :-\
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And who said anything about Beatles songs having "simple melodies and beats"? I certainly didn't.
Unfortunately I did, but the exact quote is "1 - first discover the Beatles, love the seemingly simple melodies and beats"
The word seemingly was to describe my young impressionable thoughts when I first heard and began loving the sounds they produced. I don't believe they are simple melodies and beats but I would venture to guess that some people that don't like the Beatles music might suggest that they were "simple melodies and beats".
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Unfortunately I did, but the exact quote is "1 - first discover the Beatles, love the seemingly simple melodies and beats"
The word seemingly was to describe my young impressionable thoughts when I first heard and began loving the sounds they produced. I don't believe they are simple melodies and beats but I would venture to guess that some people that don't like the Beatles music might suggest that they were "simple melodies and beats".
i'll give you that one, being a musician of sorts i was chewing on the phrase "simple melodies and beats" more than anything else. i just plain don't understand simple when it comes to beatles.
you sort of mentioned impressionable youth, yes but i somehow got beyond that. and seriously i don't care what other people think, about me, about my musical tastes, what color shirt i choose to be wearing, and especially what i think about beatles music.
What do you mean, "wrong"?
blmeanie - who started this thread - has just agreed with the point I made, supporting the original post. How can I be "wrong"?!
What exactly did I say that was "unfortunate, spiritless and bombastic"?
Have I missed something? Is this a wind up? Am I on Candid Camera? :-\
your spiritless rejoinders are irrelevant and unnecessary. for one thing show me where i said anything about this being a ringo bashing thread or whatever suits your fancy.
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Every post is an adventure.
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Every post is an adventure.
Who needs Ice Age 4?
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your spiritless rejoinders are irrelevant and unnecessary. for one thing show me where i said anything about this being a ringo bashing thread or whatever suits your fancy.
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Are you for real?
I'd rather be "spiritless" than downright insulting.
I'll leave you to it ...
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Is this sarcasm?
And should probably be in the Ringo board
i agree.
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Are you for real?
I'd rather be "spiritless" than downright insulting.
I'll leave you to it ...
oh my sweet lord. spiritless as in pointless, you are making it up as you go along. i have never heard anyone badmouth ringo, that idea itself is confused and quite childish. and i have insulted nobody, that you choose to post meaningless insults, vapid and spiked commentary, and irrelevant rejoinders indicates a problem on your end. roll:)
i'm sorry peterbell1 but it appears that your have either not read my statements or have misinterpreted them. ???
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Jefferson Airplane -White Rabbit- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0#)
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i have never heard anyone badmouth ringo, that idea itself is confused and quite childish.
Then you need to leave your mothers basement more often. Seriously, do you even follow music?
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Jefferson Airplane -White Rabbit- ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0#[/url])
Jefferson Airplane -White Rabbit- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0#)
melikes this very much. :)
Then you need to leave your mothers basement more often. Seriously, do you even follow music?
oh good lord. don't i wish. yes i follow music but the problem is that i'm not clinically braindead when it comes to serious subjects. but seriously, just another irrational and imbecillic response from tkitna.
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I'm Happy Just To Dance With You (Rare BBC) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBivLC9pbA#)
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but seriously, just another irrational and imbecillic response from tkitna.
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And don't forget his filthy Eastern ways.
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Decorum on the forum :)
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How've you been, Rick? It's nice to see you here again!
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Been a bit up and down with life as we all do but I'm good thanks Barry, I hope you are too...
My attention was brought to moderate this pointless keytap of mind and air about Ringo. No Ringo is not conventional, yes that's interpreted different by people....Everyone is flawed from a certain viewpoint. Would Buddy Rich wipe the floor with Ringo? Of course, would Buddy Rich cope and adapt to the Beatles 'limitation's?' Probably not.
"Imbecellic" in the post is just asking for trouble from our long standing forum member Tkitna. Well done for not taking the bait mate. ;)
I wouldn't like to be in a band with a member spouting that much enthusiastic snobbery on their own opinion and 'clinically brain-dead' when someone disagree's is a bit harsh and offending to those of us who have lost people with that diagnosis but discussion is the function here....Play nice Beatle munchers.
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Hey Rick. Good to see you again.
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Cheers Todd..likewise homie....You bashing them skins still anymore?
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Yeah, I play on the worship team for my church. Great gig, but it doesnt pay that well. ha2ha
How have you been guy? You still playing? Life treating you good?
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Ringo was a Beatle because he was BETTER THAN BEST! ;)
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Yeah, I play on the worship team for my church. Great gig, but it doesnt pay that well. ha2ha
How have you been guy? You still playing? Life treating you good?
Not treating me too shabby at all cheers Tk. Always good to play regardless. Might be Chicago way for a gig in November fingers crossed. Wishing you and the family all the best amigo. :-))
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Ringo was a Beatle because he was BETTER THAN BEST! ;)
How dare you say he was better than Je.... oh wait! :P (No offence to anyone, I just couldnt resist!)
Well said!
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I was a 16 year old drummer in 1964. Marched in the school band and played in a garage band. I bought a copy of I Want To Hold Your Hand about three weeks before the first Ed Sullivan Show appearance. So the entire list in the first post doesn't apply to me at all. My list would be:
1 - Fell in love with IWTHYH
2 - Saw Ringo on the ESS and literally pooped my pants
It was very obvious right from the very first show that Ringo was special. Within a year I thought he was the greatest R&R drummer of all time and I still feel exactly the same way.
So Ringo is not a great technical drummer. Thank you lord! Nothing more boring than a drum solo or a drummer who tries to dazzle with rudiments and flashy crap that only detracts from the song.
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I'd rather think Ringo was a Beatle because he was the one that fit.
I hate to say it but unless you're a musician you might understand it, but you've never felt it. The click is a magical feeling. From all accounts I've read, the lights went on the first time they played with Ringo.
As for whether he is good or not, I have a friend who I think said it best. When they get to that level, they're all good, in their own way. You can't suck and be in a professional band for very long.