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Title: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Mairi on November 25, 2007, 11:09:06 PM
If those remastered recordings we've been hearing about ever come out, what do you hope they will be like? Joan Baez did a nice job of reissuing her stuff. Every album comes with at least two bonus tracks, plus they're chock-full of neat liner notes and come in a cool slipcover.

We already have the Anthology and countless bootlegs, so I realize that bonus tracks may be a little redundant. However, I really hope that Apple steps it up with the album art. I'd like to see a little something more than just a plain old jewel case with a black back cover and one sh*tty little slip of paper for a cover.
I'd like to see the reissues be truer to their original form- kind of like the LPs, but shrunk down. For instance they should all be reissued as Digipaks, and the White Album should have the raised lettering on the cover as well as mini versions of the poster and pictures. Same thing for Sgt. Pepper. This might be a little more expensive but I'm willing to pay the money for something like this.
If they wanted to offer a cheaper alternative they could just package them in jewel cases but with updated liner notes and more pictures on the back and in the inside. Bob Dylan did an excellent job of this.

Share your ideas here!
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: alexis on November 26, 2007, 02:40:27 AM
How about .pdf's so you can go to your local Kinko's and print out the original album art?  Like the poster in the white album, the cutouts in Sgt Pepper, etc.

Heck, it might be expensive but it would be sweet for those that want to do it!

Is this doable?
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 26, 2007, 09:00:20 AM
I think most fans would like to have mono, and stereo versions of all albums (were applicable). There were great differences in the mixes for a lot of the songs. I 'd also like to see them packaged along the lines of George's 'Living In The Material World', which was beautifully done; a well made digipack inside a very robust and well printed box. If they give us jewel cases, or a digipack as badly made as the 'Love' one, I'll scream and shout!

I'm not too bothered about 'extras' We've had 3 double albums worth of outtakes, and early stuff, so I think Anthology 4 is out. I would like a complete 'Beatles At The Hollywood Bowl', and a complete Decca Audition. You can forget all about 'Carnival Of Light', George wouldn't allow it on Anthology, so as long as he has family alive it won't go onto anything. And as for the 27 minute Helter Skelter? There is so much bootleged material from the White Album sessions, that it's amazing that that has never leaked out. Therefore I'm led to believe that it no longer exists.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: DaveRam on November 26, 2007, 10:14:17 AM
I hope they number the White Album again ?
I agree BlueMeanie Mono and Stereo would be great.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on November 27, 2007, 01:41:12 AM
Quote from: 483
I think most fans would like to have mono, and stereo versions of all albums (were applicable). .

Agree!!!, :) but it would be a fan thing.
i wish they would!


Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 27, 2007, 08:00:32 AM
Quote from: 971
I hope they number the White Album again ?
I agree BlueMeanie Mono and Stereo would be great.

Well, the original numbering is not all it seemed. Only one place printed the first run of about a thousand covers, but around another 5 printed the rest, using the same numbering system. So if you have No. 0003641 there'll be 4 or 5 other versions of No. 0003641. (That may not be exactly correct, but it's basically true).
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Bobber on November 27, 2007, 08:06:05 AM
Problem is it'll be pretty expensive when they make something nice of it, like the Help! dvd.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: wingsman on November 28, 2007, 01:37:04 PM
Quote from: 971
I agree BlueMeanie Mono and Stereo would be great.

I agree with you guys too. The Bee Gees were re-releasing their earliest albums last year, and Reprise did an amazing work.
Now with the Beatles, to include the mono and stereo versions is a little complicated. Not for the earlier albums - I mean, between Please Please Me and Magical Mystery Tour their albums' length was under 40 minutes, so in a 80-minute CD the two versions of the albums would fit perfectly.
But, what about the White Album? Its length is 94 minutes, so could only fit on a 3-CD set, but now the question is - how to deal the material ??   :(

This is a project:

CD 1 - Stereo sides 1, 2, 3
CD 2 - Stereo side 4 // Mono sides 1, 2
CD 3 - Mono sides 3, 4

There's no many other options. I guess that's the better one. But it still looks horrible, right?
About the other albums, as far as I know there were not alternate mixes for the mono edition of Abbey Road or Let It Be.  :)

In the other hand, we also need first CD releases of some classic Beatles albums. Of course, the #1 The Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl. But also the Love Songs and Rock'n'Roll Music Top 10 smashes, Live at the Star Club 1962. Reel Music and The Beatles Ballads could be really good options. What you think?
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on November 28, 2007, 10:41:29 PM
i've been wanting to get get the White Album so badly in mono!!
anyone know of any bootlegs?
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 29, 2007, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: 614
i've been wanting to get get the White Album so badly in mono!!
anyone know of any bootlegs?

Yes. There's the excellent Purple Chick White Album. 12 disc set! I will do my best to try to upload it for the Bootleg Forum, sometime soon. Maybe as a Christmas present! You will not listen to your old CD again.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: The End on November 29, 2007, 12:23:41 PM
Quote from: 971
I hope they number the White Album again ?

Yeah, they did that with the 30th Anniversary edition of the white album which also came with 4 miniature photos and a mini poster.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: The End on November 29, 2007, 12:28:32 PM
I believe that in keeping with the recent Beatle-related releases, their remastereed albums will be released in a choice of standard and deluxe packages. This would allow them to include stereo and mono versions (+ bonus tracks!!?).
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 29, 2007, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: 360
I believe that in keeping with the recent Beatle-related releases, their remastereed albums will be released in a choice of standard and deluxe packages. This would allow them to include stereo and mono versions (+ bonus tracks!!?).

I expect that to happen. Just as long as the deluxe editions aren't limited. At Apple prices I expect I'll be getting a couple at a time.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 29, 2007, 12:38:28 PM
Quote from: 360
Quote from: 971
I hope they number the White Album again ?
quote]

Yeah, they did that with the 30th Anniversary edition of the white album which also came with 4 miniature photos and a mini poster.

I'm still absolutely lost for words that they did that, and didn't remaster the album! Same with Sgt. Pepper. I can't think of anyone else that's done this, apart from the Special Edition of Stanley Road.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on November 29, 2007, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: 483

Yes. There's the excellent Purple Chick White Album. 12 disc set! I will do my best to try to upload it for the Bootleg Forum, sometime soon. Maybe as a Christmas present! You will not listen to your old CD again.

yeah!, that sounds cool!!!  :D :D

Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 29, 2007, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: 614

yeah!, that sounds cool!!!  :D :D


I think I'll be able to start tomorrow. I'm doing it in lossless format because the quality of the originals is so good, It'd be mad to do mp3's.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on November 29, 2007, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: 483

I think I'll be able to start tomorrow. .

 ;)

Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 30, 2007, 12:55:32 PM
Here's the first volume, disc 1 and 2:

http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-bootlegs_lossless/m-1196354211/

This is the stereo album. I should be able to post the first disc of the mono version later.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: The End on November 30, 2007, 04:25:29 PM
Fantastic!!! ;D

I would love to buy the whole set of these!
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: BlueMeanie on November 30, 2007, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: 360
Fantastic!!! ;D

I would love to buy the whole set of these!

Well, as far as I'm aware, you can't buy them. They are very good. And they collect together the best outtakes and demo's, so you really don't need any more. There's also a complementary set by Lazy Tortoise, a few of which have already been posted. It's the dogs'!
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on November 30, 2007, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: 483
Here's the first volume, disc 1 and 2:

[url]http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-bootlegs_lossless/m-1196354211/[/url]

This is the stereo album. I should be able to post the first disc of the mono version later.


You're too good!! ;)

Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Geoff on March 16, 2008, 03:01:57 AM
Quote from: 483
And as for the 27 minute Helter Skelter? There is so much bootleged material from the White Album sessions, that it's amazing that that has never leaked out.

If the released take and the edited alternate take on Anthology 3 are anything to go by, I doubt I could sit through a 27 minute version. It's a noisy and amusing genre prank as it is, but at 27 minutes, overextended and overvalued!

Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Geoff on March 30, 2008, 08:18:48 PM
Found this while surfing:



iTunes Beatles Folly

By Richard Menta 3/30/08

If you do a Google search for Beatles music what you will find is a massive collection of Beatles MP3s posted on web servers worldwide. It's all there, every track from every album they ever made including the Christmas EPs, alternate takes and any other audio ephemera the global fans of the Fab Four could find and post. You don't need LimeWire. You don't need BitTorrent. And you don't need iTunes.

So I can't help but be amused by the ongoing decision to hold back the Beatles music from the download services. It has only driven fans to go to where the music is in ample supply.

Sure, Apple Records may be very interested in licensing out the catalog, but are just holding back as tough negotiators to garner extremely favorable terms. Afterall, the press attention iTunes is receiving just from the speculation that it will acquire the Beatles catalog is tremendous. Wouldn't closing the deal bring even more fans to iTunes?

Yes it would. An iTunes deal will also generate revenue for the Beatles' estate, which right now earns the surviving Beatles zero as far as digital downloads are concerned. The folly of iTunes and both Apples is that no one is holding back anything. It is all there. Mostly the description is in English, sometimes it is in Cyrillic, but it is all there. In this world - where those tuned in online are rewarded with instant gratification - even if iTunes wins the catalog tomorrow, many potential paying customers are long lost, because they long ago lost patience with an apprehensive record industry.

That's why, outside of showing how continually out of step record execs are with technically empowered consumers, I feel any Beatles deal with iTunes is a non-story. Not everyone feels this way, of course. It seems anything with the word Apple or Beatles combined is newsworthy to most of the traditional and online press. In truth, a Beatles deal with iTunes is much ado about nothing. The real story - and the one I would like to see the likes of the Wall Street Journal or the NY Times actually pick up on - is that of the opportunity lost by holding back this catalog from digital sales for so long.

Natch, this fact will be lost once such a deal finally comes to fruition. That's because the massive press the deal will garner will spark heavy Beatle consumption on iTunes during those opening weeks.

Sales will be relatively big and everyone will crow of success. The truth is somewhat more complicated and, I suspect, no one in the press will ask (and certainly none of the executives interviewed will volunteer) how much more was lost the several years preceeding the deal.
     
http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/8002/itunes-beatles.html


Hey, and never mind settling for mp3 quality sound, either, for that matter.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Geoff on April 01, 2008, 02:27:13 PM
Don't get your neurotransmitter implant yet:


Beatles Won't Be Available on Next Format, Either
Apr 01, 2008


Music fans and record executives of the future, don't get your hopes up: The Beatles' catalog won't be available on the next format to be invented, whatever that is.

The band's repeatedly put the kibosh on the latest batch of rumors that the Fab Four's back catalog would soon appear on Apple Computer's iTunes after remaining off the popular music vendors servers for more than seven years. To battle future speculation, a spokesman for The Beatles' record company, Apple Corp., revealed the corporation is actively developing long-long-range plans to delay the band's entry into whatever formats will become popular to future generations.

"I've spoken with the estates of John Lennon, George Harrison and the original Paul McCartney," Sharon Michaels said. "All three firmly agree that The Beatles didn't get where they were by being revolutionary or embracing radical ideas. That might be all fine and good for a drug-taking, counterculture hippie like (Apple Computer CEO) Steve Jobs, but conservative English gentlemen like The Beatles just don't live on the wild side like that."

The announcement comes as a setback to inventors racing to develop the next medium for music delivery, be it sub-light neurotransmission or the hotly anticipated fully immersive aural field wave.

"That's a rough blow, but it's expected," said Georgetown University researcher Dr. Alan Montoya, working on grants from Bose to develop a system to channel music directly into the aural centers of the brain. "Fortunately, the music industry is full of free-thinking, risk-takers like Conway Twitty, Johnny Mathis and Toby Keith who'll keep embracing both technological and social innovations with wild abandon."

http://www.aversion.com/news/news_article.cfm?news_id=10419
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: The Swine on April 01, 2008, 02:33:35 PM
'conservative english gentlemen like the beatles?'

i have never thought of them like that
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Klang on April 01, 2008, 04:43:36 PM

'...the original Paul McCartney'...?

 :P
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Geoff on April 01, 2008, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: 843
'...the original Paul McCartney'...?
:P


"Original Paul McCartney" is a highly significant and doubtless carefully selected choice of words: just ask A J Weberman. ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Weberman
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Chris on April 01, 2008, 05:45:54 PM

If you wrote that "article," Geoff, it's brilliant. ;)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: harihead on April 01, 2008, 08:03:38 PM
Quote
"I've spoken with the estates of John Lennon, George Harrison and the original Paul McCartney," Sharon Michaels said. "All three firmly agree that The Beatles didn't get where they were by being revolutionary or embracing radical ideas.
I got this far before I lost it...

*applauds*
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Geoff on April 01, 2008, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: 911
If you wrote that "article," Geoff, it's brilliant. ;)



Nope: swiped it from here:

http://www.aversion.com/news/news_article.cfm?news_id=10419


(wave1)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: DaveRam on April 01, 2008, 10:00:31 PM
Always thought Paul might be a bit of a Tory on the quite  (teeth1)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Geoff on April 01, 2008, 10:38:24 PM
Quote from: 971
Always thought Paul might be a bit of a Tory on the quite  (teeth1)

Yeah, him and Mick Jagger. Must be that knighthood thing.(churchill)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: DaveRam on April 01, 2008, 10:50:25 PM
Sir Tory Paul ,Sir Tory Mick and Dame Tory Elton  lol
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Geoff on April 01, 2008, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: 971
Sir Tory Paul ,Sir Tory Mick and Dame Tory Elton  lol


 ;D                     ;D                     ;D


There appears to be a line up of pensionable rock musicians outside of Buckingham Palace these days looking for their knighthoods. Used to be they were satisfied with MBE's.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: pisces on September 07, 2008, 10:58:46 AM
a hardback book with each cd, of the cd booklets! thats what's planned apparantly. hopefully better than the cd booklets on the 1987 versions!  :)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Bobber on April 07, 2009, 05:56:46 PM
(http://www.beatlesfanclub.nl/images/stories/packaging.jpg)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: DaveRam on April 07, 2009, 06:03:44 PM
^^^^^^^^ Very nice (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: The Swine on April 07, 2009, 07:51:23 PM
indeed
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on April 07, 2009, 07:56:56 PM
Quote from: 63
([url]http://www.beatlesfanclub.nl/images/stories/packaging.jpg[/url])


lookin nice!  :)
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Revolver42 on April 08, 2009, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: 614

lookin nice!  :)

Where did you get these pics from?
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on April 08, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: 1426

Where did you get these pics from?

i didn't, Bobber got them...
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Bobber on April 08, 2009, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: 614

i didn't, Bobber got them...


From the site of the Dutch Beatlesfanclub: http://www.beatlesfanclub.nl
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: thefadedline on April 09, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
09-09-09.

They are coming.

I have all of the original remastered CD's from the 80's... I may have to sell them all in order to help fund the purchase of these remasters!
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Revolver42 on April 09, 2009, 04:15:58 PM
Am I to assume that the stereo remasters are the way to go?  How about the mono?
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: thefadedline on April 09, 2009, 08:15:00 PM
they are releasing both mono and stereo remasters.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Revolver42 on April 10, 2009, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: 4
they are releasing both mono and stereo remasters.

I understand that...I just wanted to know which is going to have the sound that will knock me off of my feet.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on April 10, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Maybe they should include non-album songs as bonus tracks. It could be this way:

Please Please Me: "From Me To You", "Thank You Girl", "She Loves You", "I'll Get You"

With The Beatles: "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "This Boy"

A Hard Day's Night: "Long Tall Sally", "I Call Your Name", "Slown Down", "Matchbox"

Beatles For Sale: "I Feel Fine", "She's A Woman"

Help!: "Bad Boy", "Yes It Is", "I'm Down"

Rubber Soul: "We Can Work It Out", "Day Tripper"

Revolver: "Paperback Writer", "Rain"

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: no bonus tracks here

Magical Mystery Tour: "Only A Nothern Song", "All Together Now", "Hey Bulldog", "It's All Too Much"

The Beatles (White Album): "Lady Madonna", "The Inner Light", "Hey Jude", "Revolution"

Abbey Road: "The Ballad Of John And Yoko", "Old Brown Shoe"

Let It Be: "Get Back" (single version), "Don't Let Me Down", "Let It Be" (single version), "You Know My Name"
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Bobber on April 10, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
^That is like Purple Chick released them. They're obviously going to release the Past Masters discs as well.
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Andy Smith on April 10, 2009, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: 63
They're obviously going to release the Past Masters discs as well.

They are! :)

Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Hombre_de_ningun_lugar on April 10, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: 63
^That is like Purple Chick released them. They're obviously going to release the Past Masters discs as well.

Yes, but they wouldn't need to release the Past Masters and Yellow Submarine if they included those songs as bonus tracks.

P.S.: Who's Purple Chick?
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: pc31 on April 10, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V0EfVT2pMlQ/SEnx4GnQUdI/AAAAAAAAAi8/mDX8G4tzQO8/s400/PurpleChicksmileMED.jpg)bootleg company...view the best thing they got over here...http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/purple-chick-buddy-holly-volume-1-to-9-a-64961.html
there are alot of unreleased materials on purple chick by everybody.....
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: sregis on April 15, 2009, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: 4
09-09-09.

They are coming.

I have all of the original remastered CD's from the 80's... I may have to sell them all in order to help fund the purchase of these remasters!

help is the operative word here...and you better hurry up and sell these, because the market will be awash w/ the "old" versions very soon!
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Bobber on April 22, 2009, 08:52:41 AM
Quote
Images Of The New Beatles Covers Go Online

Apple Corps, The Beatles record label, has published images of the new Beatles covers at The Beatles official website. On the 9th of the 9th of the 9th, The Beatles catalogue will be reissued. All albums have been remastered and the album covers will feature additional artwork including previously unreleased photos. What is interesting is that the old Parlophone albums like
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: Mairi on May 04, 2009, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: 63
([url]http://www.beatlesfanclub.nl/images/stories/packaging.jpg[/url])


Ah.. oh... BEATLEGASM!
Title: Re: Repackaging the Remasters
Post by: nowhereman71 on May 14, 2009, 03:49:56 AM
My only grip about the covers is that they appear to be a bit fiddly and after a few months of getting the booklet/cd out of the casing, they're going to start looking a little bit tatty.  Hopefully, the materials used will be sturdy.

Can anybody explain to me how remastering is going to improve things?  The Please Please Me album was recorded on 2-track, and the stereo was mixed with the voices on one side and the instruments on the other, how is remastering going to give the album a more balanced sound.  All the mixing faults, such as the dropouts of sound on Day Tripper will remain if not rectified.  Also, are the mono mixes that are to be released going to be faithful to the originals?  For example, the guitar line that's on the very end of the stereo version of What Goes On is missing from the mono version, will this remain on the new versions?  At this point, there's more questions than answers.  Hopefully, all the answers will be revealed on The One after 090909.