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Ringo And With The Beatles.
« on: October 28, 2006, 03:31:29 PM »
So why exactly is Ringo's head lower down on the album cover?
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2006, 05:25:08 PM »
I always took it to be an early indication of Ringo being a 'lesser' Beatle. Because he was less good-looking maybe? Somebody made that decision for some reason.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 07:42:41 PM »
Probably because it's the way the album cover was shot, but I think John's face  looks a little fat on the front.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2006, 09:06:26 AM »
Because putting four in a row would have made them too small and lessened the effect? Why is Johns head bigger than Pauls? Simple artistic effect?
Methinks you see too much.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2006, 09:17:39 AM »
Why are their faces lit from the left side? Why is the album called 'With The Beatles'?
Oh, I agree with Kevin. I think there is no particular reason.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2006, 09:25:27 AM »
Oh now I remember. It's because big-nosed tone-deaf couldn't-write-a-tune-if-you-put-a-gun-to-his-head drummers don't deserve to stand alongside cool singing songwriting guitar players.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2006, 01:44:50 PM »
Maybe because he was the shortest one, but probably because of what Kevin said. Drummers get no respect.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2006, 07:42:05 PM »
I just can't see that there was no particular reason. I'm NOT saying that I disrespect Ringo. I do respect him. I like his drumming, and love the fills. I would guess that it's because he was the drummer.




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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2006, 07:54:48 AM »
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I just can't see that there was no particular reason. I'm NOT saying that I disrespect Ringo. I do respect him. I like his drumming, and love the fills. I would guess that it's because he was the drummer.

One could also state that he's the one in front on the picture.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2006, 12:30:26 PM »
I think I read in Robert Freeman's book that the picture was taken like that because if they had head and shoulder shots of the four guys in a row it wouldn't have fitted so snuggly on the album sleeve.

John's head appears bigger that George and Paul's simply because they are standing behind him!



If memory serves, the cover pic was taken in a hotel room in Bournemouth while they were on tour - the background was the hotel room curtains.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2006, 03:56:17 PM »
I think legendary rock drummers like Ginger Baker, Keith Moon & John Bonham get lots of respect tkitna.  It seems to me Ringo doesn't get any respect at all even though he's a great drummer in his own right sadly.  
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2006, 04:00:14 PM »
Ringo is lower because he's sitting. That's what drummers do.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2006, 04:33:47 PM »
From Wikepedia:
Freeman himself remembered:

   " They had to fit in the square format of the cover, so rather than have them all in a line, I put Ringo in the bottom right corner, since he was the last to join the group. He was also the shortest. "

I think the reason for Ringo's apparent "lack of respect" is the same as George's as a guitarist. Neither were flashy, or did huge solos. That's just not how The Beatles were.
I don't know how people rank him against someone similar, say Charlie Watts.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2006, 06:43:42 PM »
Ringo is much more creative than Charlie Watts.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2006, 08:02:16 PM »
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From Wikepedia:
Freeman himself remembered:

   " They had to fit in the square format of the cover, so rather than have them all in a line, I put Ringo in the bottom right corner, since he was the last to join the group. He was also the shortest. "



So that's the reason why. Thanks Kevin. I respect Ringo. He did good drumming and contributed a sense of stability to the band.
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2006, 08:06:38 PM »
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Ringo is much more creative than Charlie Watts.

Ringo's fills are the highlight of his drumming. Very creative. Except to say that the four beat fill between '...the girl with the sun in her eyes' and 'Lucy in the sky with diamonds...' is the only moment I don't rate. Too simple, not enough excitement building up.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2006, 04:49:42 AM »
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I think legendary rock drummers like Ginger Baker, Keith Moon & John Bonham get lots of respect tkitna.  It seems to me Ringo doesn't get any respect at all even though he's a great drummer in his own right sadly.  
sure just look a keiths solo sales or how about that top selling fat matress album...i know we all got that one....where does your information come from duh-wayne?????from that same betty crocker site juniors farm learns from??two pea brains in a pod you are...

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2006, 06:43:47 AM »
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Ringo is much more creative than Charlie Watts.

I thought Charlie was creative. Even until this day, i've never heard a drummer mess with a 4/4 beat like Charlie did in the beginning of 'Start Me Up' Brilliant. He's also a terrific jazz player. Not getting into a who's better than who deal, but I love Charlie too.



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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2006, 06:45:34 AM »
Oh, and Wayne, Ringo gets tons of respect too. Its just that its usually in the drumming community and not from everyday rock fanboys. All three drummers you listed respected Ringo. That's good enough for me.
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Re: Ringo And With The Beatles.
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2006, 12:42:27 PM »
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From Wikepedia:
Freeman himself remembered:

   " They had to fit in the square format of the cover, so rather than have them all in a line, I put Ringo in the bottom right corner, since he was the last to join the group. He was also the shortest. "


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So that's the reason why. Thanks Kevin. I respect Ringo.

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the picture was taken like that because if they had head and shoulder shots of the four guys in a row it wouldn't have fitted so snuggly on the album sleeve.



That's what I said and I didn't get no bleedin' thanks!!!! ;)
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