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Other forums => Different Conversations => Topic started by: Moogmodule on April 20, 2023, 02:56:51 AM
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I assumed we’d get there at some stage but the capabilities of AI seem to be growing extremely fast. I heard of an AI generated song of a fake collaboration between Drake and The Weeknd. I’m not expert enough on these artists to be able to tell how convincing it was but from comments people were impressed.
So, it looks like soon skilled AI practitioners will be able to write new songs and recreate voices of dead artists. How would you feel listening to some generated tune with a dead ringer imitation of John? Or doing a Free as a Bird to demos by John with George like guitar and backing vocals.
My initial reaction is it sounds a horrible prospect. I imagine the legal issues are huge but could even the threat of legal action shoot down everyone who might take a shot at creating a ‘new’ Beatles song?
A brave new world.
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I assumed we’d get there at some stage but the capabilities of AI seem to be growing extremely fast. I heard of an AI generated song of a fake collaboration between Drake and The Weeknd. I’m not expert enough on these artists to be able to tell how convincing it was but from comments people were impressed.
I heard that, too, and it made me uncomfortable. Like you, I assumed we'd get there at some point, but not quite so soon.
So, it looks like soon skilled AI practitioners will be able to write new songs and recreate voices of dead artists. How would you feel listening to some generated tune with a dead ringer imitation of John? Or doing a Free as a Bird to demos by John with George like guitar and backing vocals.
My initial reaction is it sounds a horrible prospect. I imagine the legal issues are huge but could even the threat of legal action shoot down everyone who might take a shot at creating a ‘new’ Beatles song?
A brave new world.
That is my initial reaction as well. I would shy away from a song such as the example you mention, for a number of reasons.
A brave new world, indeed. And one I'm not sure I'm comfortable in. (Not that I have a choice.)
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Me either. Just knowing the number of knowledgeable technical types in the world I can’t imagine any other outcome than we’ll be flooded with professional sounding fake tunes from the Beatles, Elvis, Jimmy Hendrix etc etc. I suppose if they’re done in a spirit of fun, ie The Beatles doing Wonderwall and clearly marked it’s ok. But I suspect it’ll go way beyond that.
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it may find its way into advertisements, then legal battles will ensue
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First cab off the rank ….
https://twitter.com/thedaveabbitt/status/1653839238771937280?s=46&t=5_ekKD9TYxOIBdKhfMf**A (https://twitter.com/thedaveabbitt/status/1653839238771937280?s=46&t=5_ekKD9TYxOIBdKhfMf**A)
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^^^^^
Interesting! I'd forgotten how much I love that song.
I like the comment someone made: It did not “resurrect” him. Call me pedantic but not falling into lazy figurative language might be necessary to maintain our sanity.
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Interesting! I'd forgotten how much I love that song.
I like the comment someone made: It did not “resurrect” him. Call me pedantic but not falling into lazy figurative language might be necessary to maintain our sanity.
The commenter makes a good point.
Some comments were “doesn’t even sound like him” but I have to admit I think it sounds pretty credible. And this is just early days.
Looks like it’s all going to happen a lot faster than I expected.
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First cab off the rank ….
[url]https://twitter.com/thedaveabbitt/status/1653839238771937280?s=46&t=5_ekKD9TYxOIBdKhfMf[/url]**A ([url]https://twitter.com/thedaveabbitt/status/1653839238771937280?s=46&t=5_ekKD9TYxOIBdKhfMf[/url]**A)
Wow that's freaky :o
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Must admit this is beautiful.
https://youtu.be/sqtgWShoAv4 (https://youtu.be/sqtgWShoAv4)
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This is good fun, here's Paul with the Jet song ;D
https://youtu.be/8dYGjYjYuKs (https://youtu.be/8dYGjYjYuKs)
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Must admit this is beautiful.
Wow, that really is beautiful. I'm getting choked up. It (or the original, in my opinion) would be a perfect song for the first dance at a wedding reception. icon_love
I'm still not comfortable with this AI music trend, although I can't specify why, exactly. Its exploding much faster than I anticipated.
it may find its way into advertisements, then legal battles will ensue
Indeed. I'd be curious to know how that would be handled. I see the person who posted Grow Old With Me stuck in a quick disclaimer: "No copyright infringement intended." As long as someone isn't making money off of these creations then I suppose (per American copyright law, at least) they'd legally be in the clear.
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This is good fun, here's Paul with the Jet song ;D
[url]https://youtu.be/8dYGjYjYuKs[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/8dYGjYjYuKs[/url])
ha2ha brilliant. I always thought that was such a Beatle rip off.
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Must admit this is beautiful.
[url]https://youtu.be/sqtgWShoAv4[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/sqtgWShoAv4[/url])
Um yeah. Ok. Might need to readjust my concerns. That’s very nicely done.
One thing is that anyone who purports to have found a genuine tape of a Beatles concert is going to have to jump through hoops to prove it’s not just some AI
And I’m sure existing stuff like Star Club could get a real refresh using this type of technology.
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Mein gott. What a rabbit hole. There’s dozens of these things popping up on YouTube.
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Mein gott. What a rabbit hole. There’s dozens of these things popping up on YouTube.
I'm afraid to look. :-\
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I'm afraid to look. :-\
OK, well, I did look, and found this AI version of Freddie Mercury singing "Yesterday":
https://youtu.be/EkNcRMm9BLw (https://youtu.be/EkNcRMm9BLw)
And The Clash's "Train in Vain," sung by Joe Strummer instead of Mick Jones:
https://youtu.be/K912qdS5vjQ (https://youtu.be/K912qdS5vjQ)
I still have mixed feelings on this. Some of these attempts are kind of fun, but I hope this trend doesn't go much further.
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I wonder if the novelty of doing this will wear off pretty quickly.
What is likely is the use of this by artists to tweak their vocals on records to keep them sounding young and at their peak. On one of the channels I saw they’d done a version of I Don’t Know off Paul’s Egypt Station with a vocal of Paul’s sounding like he did in the 80s rather than his older current voice. Now if Paul’s next album has him sounding like he did in 1966 people will cry foul. But current artists could theoretically keep their vocals on records sounding pristine for decades. Or at least reducing any sound of decline. I imagine the capabilities will increase to the extent they’ll be able to run their live vocals through software in real time to maintain the illusion in concert.
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I wonder if the novelty of doing this will wear off pretty quickly.
What is likely is the use of this by artists to tweak their vocals on records to keep them sounding young and at their peak. On one of the channels I saw they’d done a version of I Don’t Know off Paul’s Egypt Station with a vocal of Paul’s sounding like he did in the 80s rather than his older current voice. Now if Paul’s next album has him sounding like he did in 1966 people will cry foul. But current artists could theoretically keep their vocals on records sounding pristine for decades. Or at least reducing any sound of decline. I imagine the capabilities will increase to the extent they’ll be able to run their live vocals through software in real time to maintain the illusion in concert.
Good point. OR just carry on miming in concert like quite a few do.
Just another way AI is working, my son in Melbourne is right across AI, working in the digital world like he does. He submitted an entry (one of the 25 words or less) into a competition using AI and won concert tickets, he's just done another to win an 8k 85" tv :)
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Good point. OR just carry on miming in concert like quite a few do.
Yes. There’s is that ha2ha
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Just another way AI is working, my son in Melbourne is right across AI, working in the digital world like he does. He submitted an entry (one of the 25 words or less) into a competition using AI and won concert tickets, he's just done another to win an 8k 85" tv :)
Clever lad icon_good
Is it a good concert?
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I wonder if the novelty of doing this will wear off pretty quickly.
That was my exact same thought, especially after I came across the Freddie Mercury and Joe Strummer clips. It does seem rather fun, but I personally hope it doesn't go too much farther.
Just another way AI is working, my son in Melbourne is right across AI, working in the digital world like he does. He submitted an entry (one of the 25 words or less) into a competition using AI and won concert tickets, he's just done another to win an 8k 85" tv :)
That's great! Congratulations to him. :)
What is likely is the use of this by artists to tweak their vocals on records to keep them sounding young and at their peak. On one of the channels I saw they’d done a version of I Don’t Know off Paul’s Egypt Station with a vocal of Paul’s sounding like he did in the 80s rather than his older current voice. Now if Paul’s next album has him sounding like he did in 1966 people will cry foul. But current artists could theoretically keep their vocals on records sounding pristine for decades. Or at least reducing any sound of decline. I imagine the capabilities will increase to the extent they’ll be able to run their live vocals through software in real time to maintain the illusion in concert.
That part of your post got me thinking, Moogmodule, about what the difference is between AI tweaks and Auto-Tune. I don't know enough about either one to really understand how they differ. I'll have to do some searching.
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That part of your post got me thinking, Moogmodule, about what the difference is between AI tweaks and Auto-Tune. I don't know enough about either one to really understand how they differ. I'll have to do some searching.
Kathy, this is what Cher sounds like without Auto-Tune...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqdkqSrZrf4# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqdkqSrZrf4#)
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That part of your post got me thinking, Moogmodule, about what the difference is between AI tweaks and Auto-Tune. I don't know enough about either one to really understand how they differ. I'll have to do some searching.
Auto tune as the name suggests concentrates on fixing pitch errors, although it also has other capabilities that can alter the sound of a voice as well (eg making a vocal sound lighter or heavier or adjusting the vibrato) . While not an expert on these new AI things, I gather they go well beyond that and can alter a voice input to sound like another sampled voice or seemingly synthesise a vocal from a sample that you give the software. The first one I posted where they had a Lennon vocal singing a verse to My Brave Face I suspect just keyed off the original Paul vocal but altered it to sound like John based on samples of John singing they gave the software.
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Well, Kathy, Moog explained Auto-Tune pretty well. Here's a good news spot on the subject...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGiaAiIELME# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGiaAiIELME#)
Tanya O'Rourke demonstrated Auto-Tune by singing The First Cut Is The Deepest and trying to sound like Sheryl Crow. A little Auto-Tune made Tanya sound pretty good.
But some singers are just naturally gifted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwNtgPsjuf8# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwNtgPsjuf8#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5NRH_DxWJE# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5NRH_DxWJE#)
No Auto-Tune in those days.
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Lest we forget, Cat Stevens wrote that song...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBccr-aLu4I# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBccr-aLu4I#)
1967
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Very interesting observations especially towards the end.
https://youtu.be/-eAQOhDNLt4 (https://youtu.be/-eAQOhDNLt4)
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Yeah that’s interesting. Especially the idea record companies will just create new AI artists.
Loved the reaction of the guy to the fake drake. ha2ha
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Kathy, this is what Cher sounds like without Auto-Tune...
Ouch!
Auto tune as the name suggests concentrates on fixing pitch errors, although it also has other capabilities that can alter the sound of a voice as well (eg making a vocal sound lighter or heavier or adjusting the vibrato) . While not an expert on these new AI things, I gather they go well beyond that and can alter a voice input to sound like another sampled voice or seemingly synthesise a vocal from a sample that you give the software. The first one I posted where they had a Lennon vocal singing a verse to My Brave Face I suspect just keyed off the original Paul vocal but altered it to sound like John based on samples of John singing they gave the software.
Very interesting; thank you for clarifying that.
Very interesting observations especially towards the end.
Love Rick Beato; I became aware of him through this forum. I subscribed to his YouTube channel, but YouTube never sends me notifications of new posts.
He speaks even faster than I do ha2ha I'm going to have to re-watch that and make sure I caught everything.
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Kathy you have to click on the bell symbol to get notifications
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Kathy you have to click on the bell symbol to get notifications
Thanks, Kevin. icon_good
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Ouch!
Yes, Cher sounds awful...
(https://i.postimg.cc/PxG1NQtj/Ringo.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HWz7Cg7H/Ringo-2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wTBRqGhN/Come-in-Number-7.jpg)
Come in, Number 7. Your time's up.
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I'm sliding a bit off topic here, but some streaming channels need to develop their AI a bit further. I was just doing a search for documentaries on the Franklin Expedition on Tubi and got "Gilligan's Island" as the only result. ha2ha
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I liked Mary Ann...
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/01/01/obituaries/30Wells1/30Wells1-superJumbo.jpg)
:)
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I liked Mary Ann...
([url]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/01/01/obituaries/30Wells1/30Wells1-superJumbo.jpg[/url])
:)
Me too icon_love
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I wonder if the novelty of doing this will wear off pretty quickly.
Can’t speak for everyone but the novelty has worn off for me already 4ac
The AI art too. Social media seemed to be filled with AI stuff. Pretty tedious already.
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Can’t speak for everyone but the novelty has worn off for me already 4ac
Same here.
I liked Mary Ann...
Me too icon_love
Ehhhh. . . I personally preferred the Professor:
(https://pabook.libraries.psu.edu/sites/default/files/biosimages/Johnson__Russell_0.jpg)
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Ehhhh. . . I personally preferred the Professor:
([url]https://pabook.libraries.psu.edu/sites/default/files/biosimages/Johnson__Russell_0.jpg[/url])
Understandably. The Professor was intelligent and resourceful.
So tell me why he couldn't repair the S.S. Minnow which wasn't badly damaged. There were lots of trees on that island to source wood.
(https://metvcdn.metv.com/xGzCP-1549923785-1213-quiz_question_image_-4_giligan-detail-2.jpg)
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Same here.
Ehhhh. . . I personally preferred the Professor:
([url]https://pabook.libraries.psu.edu/sites/default/files/biosimages/Johnson__Russell_0.jpg[/url])
The actor was a cool guy as well. Fighter pilot or something in WW2
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Yeah, I liked Mary Ann but she was no match for Thalia Menninger on The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis...
(https://i.postimg.cc/Zqwm0LTV/Thalia.gif)
Her reaction to touching Milton Armitage's mohair sports jacket. ;D
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/57/b3/6257b354b28178d2a044303ccbf5bc92.jpg)
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Understandably. The Professor was intelligent and resourceful.
So tell me why he couldn't repair the S.S. Minnow which wasn't badly damaged. There were lots of trees on that island to source wood.
([url]https://metvcdn.metv.com/xGzCP-1549923785-1213-quiz_question_image_-4_giligan-detail-2.jpg[/url])
If I was on a tropical island with Maryann and Ginger I might not be in too much of a hurry to leave.
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So tell me why he couldn't repair the S.S. Minnow which wasn't badly damaged. There were lots of trees on that island to source wood.
I hope you're not trying to start another Ismay–ish spat, Barry. ha2ha
If I was on a tropical island with Maryann and Ginger I might not be in too much of a hurry to leave.
Yeah, you male viewers had much better choices in terms of lusting after characters. ;)
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Yeah, you male viewers had much better choices in terms of lusting after characters. ;)
Another reason for the Professor not to want to leave. Not much competition. ha2ha
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If I was on a tropical island with Maryann and Ginger I might not be in too much of a hurry to leave.
quod erat demonstrandum
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Understandably. The Professor was intelligent and resourceful.
Indeed. We women tend to go for intrinsic attributes rather than physical characteristics. ;)
Another reason for the Professor not to want to leave. Not much competition. ha2ha
I never would have thought of that. ;D
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I never would have thought of that. ;D
Did he ever make a jacuzzi?
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