A treasury and a place to meet people of all ages with various interests from all over the World
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

PLEASE READ OUR FORUM RULES HERE

Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?  (Read 5193 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

apple sauce

  • Getting Better
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 662
So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« on: September 20, 2006, 10:54:56 PM »

After leaving the Beatles John had said that the band had participated in drunken, drug taking orgys with their female fans? If this was true why have none of them not one written a "Tell All" book about these going ons? I was wondering if he actually wanted to discredit the band due to his hate at the time?
Logged

The End

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 8216
  • Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream...
    • The End
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2006, 12:30:27 PM »

A lot of them probably have families of their own now and more than likely wouldn't want the world to know the sordid details.
Logged

apple sauce

  • Getting Better
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 662
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 01:44:45 AM »

Quote from: 360
A lot of them probably have families of their own now and more than likely wouldn't want the world to know the sordid details.
True, but are we to expect out of the 100s that there are not a few money grubbers that would sell their story about these "Partys". I know one would say apparentley "Not", but I find it very strange that not one person has come forward. :o

Logged

The End

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 8216
  • Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream...
    • The End
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006, 03:23:47 PM »

I don't doubt that people have come forward with stories - but it's fairly old news now, who would want to report just one persons story? If a load of them cam out of the woodwork then maybe yeah, we would hear about it then!
Logged

  • Guest
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 11:17:28 PM »

I think that some of them were "professional girls", who were obliged to be discreet. I have run across a few people whose elatives had slept with one of the band on these tours. They were (subtly) proud of it - but considering the social climate of the time, it wasn't such a "cool thing" as might be considered now. People were much more concerned with "reputation" then...
Logged

pc31

  • Sun King
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 11736
  • WE SOUL OUR SOULS FOR ROCK AND ROLL!!!!
    • the moondogs
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2006, 02:14:47 AM »

read about the apple scruffs....

apple sauce

  • Getting Better
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 662
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2006, 11:15:41 AM »

All in all good points have been made especially about the girls being "professional" and discreet. So we will close the page on this subject and move on to if any of the "Beatles" ever coloured their hair? (lol) :o
Logged

The End

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 8216
  • Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream...
    • The End
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2006, 12:14:03 PM »

I was in the pub last night and I asked the barmaid if she knew where the orgie girls were and she threw me out! ;)
Logged

zipp

  • A Thousand Pages
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 1069
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2006, 04:24:35 PM »

You should have asked the barman.
Logged

apple sauce

  • Getting Better
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 662
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2006, 11:14:19 PM »

Quote from: 360
I was in the pub last night and I asked the barmaid if she knew where the orgie girls were and she threw me out! ;)
Mother may have been one of those hard to find "Beatle ones". ::)

Logged

BigMachine

  • One And One Is Two
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 17
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2006, 01:35:07 AM »

And the Beatles' wifes/girlfriends would've said something if women started talking after John told about it.
Logged
Another great forum for music fans... [glow=red]Paradise City[/glow]

Bobber

  • Administrator
  • Sun King
  • *****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 14435
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2006, 10:57:20 AM »

Here's a story:


I slept with John Lennon: Jenny Kee

Australian-Chinese fashion designer Jenny Kee claims she was John Lennon's first Asian conquest, possibly paving the way for his future wife, Yoko Ono.
"He'd never been with an Asian girl before, so what can I say?" the eccentric designer told Who magazine. Kee describes, in her new autobiography, how she ended up in bed with the famous Beatle when she was a 17-year-old groupie.
"He chose me. He said: 'I've never been with an Asian girl before'," she said. "Sleeping with John Lennon was a fantastic thing. "I wasn't a hardened groupie. I was very naive," she said. "I'd only had two boyfriends before that."
Kee said the experience had changed her life, but it wasn't spontaneous: she'd had a strategy for ending up in Lennon's bed. "There was wall-to-wall security, but we pressed all the buttons in the lift until it jammed, and that's how we got onto the stairwell and met them," Kee said. "There was no holding back."
Logged

Kevin

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 5544
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2006, 11:43:53 AM »

Pictures of Ms Kee here:
http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=jenny+kee&hl=en&lr=&sa=G&sourceid=tipimg
.


Hope she was better looking forty years ago.

And maybe not the shrinking violet she portrays:
"One of three children of a debonair but relatively distant Chinese father and an Anglo-Australian mother, Kee was a wild teenager who ran with Sydney
Logged
don't follow leaders

apple sauce

  • Getting Better
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 662
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2006, 11:38:57 AM »

Wow factual pics of the encounter!
Logged

Bobber

  • Administrator
  • Sun King
  • *****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 14435
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2006, 02:45:58 PM »

And another story:

John Lennon's secret lover
Alma Cogan: Britain's greatest female recording star of the Fifties
Alma Cogan was the first female pop star - yet was dead by 34. For years, there were cruel whispers about her sexuality. But now her sister reveals she was John Lennon's lover:
Late on an October night, 40 years ago last month, in a private room at London's Middlesex Hospital, one of the most famous women in Britain lay in a coma as her young life slowly ebbed away. Her face, once so alive and radiant with health and vitality, had been instantly recognisable for 12 years to millions of television viewers and record fans.
But as cancer had spread inexorably through her body, she had lost so much weight that she now appeared almost skeletal. One of her closest friends, visiting her during her final days, was so devastated by her appearance that he rushed weeping from the room into the street.
When, on October 26, 1966, giant headlines across the front of newspapers informed a shocked public that Alma Cogan, Britain's greatest female recording star of the Fifties and early Sixties, had died from cancer at the tragically young age of 34, there was universal grief and incredulity.
It just didn't seem possible that the bouncy, bright and bubbling Alma, with her sequinned, voluminous dresses, brunette beehive, sparkling eyes and wide, dynamic smile, could be snuffed out of existence with such shocking suddenness at so early an age.
During her life, Alma's brio and talent had brought her extraordinary fame - but with it came unwelcome attention. There were questions about her sexuality and rumours of a secret affair with John Lennon which was conducted under his wife Cynthia's nose.
But what no one could have predicted when she died was that today, four decades on, Alma would still be creating controversy. Years after her death, she caused her immediate family to feel that they were being 'stalked' and haunted by disciples of her legend. And then she was publicly - and preposterously - linked to Myra Hindley.
In a brief but meteoric career, Alma packed theatres all over the country, dazzled millions of TV viewers with her exuberant Jewish chutzpah, and clocked up 20 hit records, more than any other British female singer, spending an astonishing total of 109 weeks in the charts.
As she belted out one novelty hit after another - Bell Bottom Blues, Dreamboat, I Can't Tell A Waltz From A Tango, Twenty Tiny Fingers, Never Do A Tango With An Eskimo, Cowboy Jimmy Joe, and Just Couldn't Resistor - her style was the very quintessence of kitschand the height of high camp.
But as she remained unmarried into her 30s, rumours swirled around her. It was whispered that she was a lesbian.

A BBC television documentary to be screened on Friday and a DVD just released to mark the 40th anniversary of her death present Cogan as a sexual enigma. Two of the men who regularly escorted her, composer Lionel Bart and Beatles manager Brian Epstein, were both gay. And one of Cogan's closest friends, the broadcaster David Jacobs, says: 'I always thought of her as a virgin.'
One story, allegedly told by the young Dusty Springfield, an admitted lesbian herself, with whom Cogan was said to be closely involved, was that Alma was not really gay, but had been raped as a young teenager and had developed a mental block about sex with men as a consequence.
Her younger sister, West End stage star Sandra Caron, who is also Alma's biographer, dismisses this rape story, saying: 'People just make these things up.' But Sandra, some years Alma's junior, would have been a small child at the time and might well not have been told about the rape, if it happened.

Lesbian rumours
Sandra also discounts the lesbian rumours. 'Yes, people tried to say that she liked women,' she says. 'That was because she hadn't married. But there were men with whom she was involved, and had she lived, she certainly would have married.'
One more dramatic twist in the mystery of Cogan and sex is the clandestine love affair between Alma and John Lennon.
Sandra Caron, who knew the Beatles even earlier than Alma and became very close to Paul McCartney, breaks her silence on this story for the first time.
She told me: 'I knew about Alma and John, of course, but it was something no one admitted because John was married. We had a very strict Jewish upbringing and my mother would never have approved of a relationship between Alma and a married man.'
Ironically, before The Beatles rose to fame, Cogan represented everything Lennon most disliked. As a student at the Liverpool College of Art, Lennon 'used to make horrible jokes against the singer Alma Cogan, impersonating her singing: "Sugar In The Morning, Sugar In The Evening, Sugar At Suppertime." He'd pull crazy expressions on his face to try to imitate her.'
But in 1962, when The Beatles appeared with Cogan in Sunday Night At The London Palladium, it was obvious that Lennon rapidly revised his view. 'John was potty about her,' George Harrison revealed later. 'He thought her really sexy and was gutted when she died.'
After the Fab Four's first visit to Alma's home in Stafford Court, Kensington High Street, where she lived with her widowed mother, Fay, and her younger sister, Sandra, Lennon gave Cogan the name 'Sara Sequin', while Fay became 'Ma McCogie'.
The Cogan flat was probably the most celebrated showbusiness salon in London history. Princess Margaret, Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant, Sir Noel Coward, Ethel Merman, Danny Kaye and Sammy Davis Jr were all regular visitors. Of her first visit to Stafford Court, Lennon's first wife, Cynthia, records: 'John and I had thought of her as out-of-date and unhip. We remembered her in the oldfashioned cinched-in waists and wide skirts of the Fifties.
'But in the flesh she was beautiful, intelligent and funny, oozing sex appeal and charm. Walking into her home for the first time was like walking into another world.
'It was decorated like a swish nightclub with dark, richly coloured silken fabrics and brocades everywhere. Every surface was covered with ethnic sculptures, ornaments and dozens of photographs in elaborate silver, gold and jewelled frames.'
Cynthia became convinced that Alma and John were lovers. 'I could see the sexual tension between them,' she recalled, 'and how outrageously she flirted with him. But I had no real grounds for suspicion...just a strong gut feeling.'
Her suspicions were correct. Alma and Lennon, both heavily disguised, took to meeting for passionate interludes in anonymous West End hotel suites, where they sometimes registered as 'Mr and Mrs Winston' (Lennon's middle name).
The Beatles became regular visitors to the Cogan residence. It was on Alma's piano, with Sandra at his side, that Paul McCartney composed Yesterday. It was 3am and McCartney first called the tune Scrambled Eggs because that's what 'Ma McCogie' had just cooked them.
As the emergence of The Beatles and of younger female singers - such as Lulu, Sandie Shaw and Dusty Springfield - revolutionised the pop music scene, Cogan's records ceased to become hits and her star dimmed in Britain, though not internationally.
In Japan, her recording of Just Couldn't Resist Her With Her Pocket Transistor topped the charts for an unprecedented ten months.
Andrew Loog Oldham, the manager of the Rolling Stones, also thought Alma 'very sexy...we all fancied her'. He considered her later recordings 'naff', but noted Lennon's anxiety to help Cogan recover a foothold in the charts.
Alma's pianist, Stan Foster, who accompanied her on world tours, allegedly had a sexual relationship with her, but he says: 'She was Jewish and I wasn't. Her family wouldn't have approved of that. I'm sure they didn't.'

Unlike Lennon and Foster, the last man in her life was Jewish: Brian Morris, who managed the Ad Lib, one of London's trendiest nightclubs.

Wedding bells
He was desperate to marry her, and Sandra Caron says: 'They were engaged. It was absolutely serious.' But no engagement was ever announced, and some of her friends still believe that he was much more in love with her than she was with him.'

Whatever the truth, it was now academic. She had started to lose weight. 'Alma had these weight-losing injections,' the singer Anne Shelton told the music critic Chris White. 'At the time, they were highly experimental and quite controversial. She certainly lost the weight, but after those injections, she was never well again.'

Shortly afterwards, ovarian cancer was diagnosed, but no one seems certain now whether she knew this or not. Her photographer cousin Howard Grey took a last colour closeup of her with her arms around Brian Morris's neck, and caught a look of almost unearthly beauty. Was it because her time was short? Or had she, at long last, found the love that had so long eluded her?

Sandra Caron, who had scored a major success herself as a performer in the United States, was in New York, preparing to appear on the Merv Griffin Show, when Alma's condition suddenly deteriorated. Sandra cancelled her appearance and flew back to London.

On the morning after her death, shocked radio listeners switched on to hear Cogan's voice singing an Irving Berlin number, opening with the words: 'Heaven, I'm in Heaven.' At the funeral, attended by almost every star in show business, a distraught Brian Morris had to be restrained from throwing himself into Alma's grave.

Two weeks after Cogan died, Lennon met Yoko Ono, the woman who was to control and dominate the rest of his life, until he too, like Alma, came to an untimely end at the age of 40, from an assassin's bullet.

The fallout from Cogan's tragically early death was destined to cast a long shadow over the life and career of her younger sister, Sandra Caron. Now in her 60s, and happily married to the American stage and screen actor Brian Greene, Sandra is an actress of skill and distinction.

But in recent years, as the administrator of the Alma Cogan estate, she has increasingly found herself cast in the role of protector and guardian of her sister's reputation.

The trouble began in 1991, when a writer named Gordon Burn published a novel, Alma Cogan, imagining the life the singer would have led if she had not died so young.

Burn wrote Alma into his book because she was an iconic symbol of the Fifties and Sixties. The Moors murderess Myra Hindley was included for the same reason and when the novel was published the notorious police mugshot of Hindley appeared opposite a photograph of Alma on the cover. In Sandra's view, the book 'demonised Alma's memory' and she was astonished when it won the Whitbread Prize.

In the years that followed, Sandra became haunted by the obsessive behaviour of some of her sister's more extreme fans. She was affronted when one of them, Stephen Woods, a former schoolteacher from Lancaster, who never met Alma, sent money to Bushey Cemetery to restore the star's grave, without permission from the family.

In October 2000, Woods tried to erect an unauthorised plaque to Cogan, despite an official one being already in the pipeline. When his plan was rebuffed, Woods placed a paid in memoriam notice in The Stage newspaper, which included the words: 'In every fairy story there is always a wicked witch!'

Sandra Caron, in a letter to the newspaper's proprietor, described this as 'an allusion that was widely understood to refer to myself'.

In November 2001, when Sandra unveiled an official Heritage Foundation plaque to Alma outside their former home at Stafford Court, where they entertained The Beatles, Woods attempted to fund the cost of the memorial.

This offer, and a further one - to buy up 250 seats at the tribute luncheon that followed at Grosvenor House Hotel, at a cost of E12,500, provided he was allowed to control the event's publicity and choose the person to unveil the plaque - was refused.

Woods, now employing the alias of Miles Furlong, took out another paid advert in The Stage. This one published Alma's former ex-directory telephone number, the number of her passport, which he had in his possession, the registration number of her car, and the site and number of her grave.

Sandra, horrified, considered that these activities 'now amounted to a form of stalking, and most of them seemed inspired by the desire to cause distress and vexation to me personally'.

'Cruel'


Today she says: 'Most of my sister's fans are lovely and genuine people. But there is a very small group intent on fostering the fiction that I am somehow jealous of Alma and out to spoil any commemoration of her. It's rubbish, and it's cruel, but then people who cannot get their own way will say and do almost anything, won't they?'

But Sandra soon had far bigger concerns. In July 2002, BBC Radio 4 broadcast a five-day serial, Stage Mother, Sequinned Daughter, written by Annie Caulfield and depending heavily on the contents of Gordon Burn's 1991 novel.

It depicted Alma, who disliked alcohol, as a hopeless lush, who was deeply ashamed of her mother, Fay, portrayed by Alison Steadman as a vulgar, overbearing Jewish harridan with a heavy middle-European accent - when in reality Fay, born and bred here, spoke like Margaret Thatcher.

The Cogan family was presented as down at heel, with Alma and Sandra going to a 'backstreet dancing school', their mother wearing worn-out shoes and their father selling autograph books to pay his bus fares. 'Ma McCogie' was alleged to have ended her days senile in an old people's home.

Sandra, a feisty and determined character, took a case to the Broadcasting Standards Commission.

After a year's battle - during which the BBC's former directorgeneral, Greg Dyke, and his lawyers attempted to turn the attack back onto Sandra - the outcome, in October 2003, was a resounding victory for Sandra Caron.

The Broadcasting Standards Commission-publicly censured the BBC, concluding that 'the serialisation was unfair in the dramatisation of Miss Caron's parents and sister and failed to have regard to the feelings of surviving family members'.

'For me, that ruling was a vindication and an answer to all those spiteful and unpleasant rumours,' says Sandra. 'I loved Alma dearly. I am proud of her. I shall always be proud of her. And I miss her every day of my life.'

Why is it, 40 years after her untimely death, that Alma Cogan is still so vividly remembered when many of her contemporaries are long forgotten? Why do her recordings, constantly reissued in CD collections, still sell in such huge numbers?

Merryn Threadgould's elegiac and moving BBC documentary provides us with an answer: 'Alma Cogan,' it concludes, 'seemed to wear life lightly. Maybe that's why her early death remains so shocking, a denial of the optimism she represented. Yet it's that optimism which has become her legacy. She still gives people reasons to be cheerful.'

Logged

The End

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 8216
  • Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream...
    • The End
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 11:56:32 PM »

I have heard these rumours about John and Alma Cogan (and her sister!) beore - interesting read, thanks Bobber :)
Logged

pc31

  • Sun King
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 11736
  • WE SOUL OUR SOULS FOR ROCK AND ROLL!!!!
    • the moondogs
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2006, 11:37:02 AM »

good read...thanks 4 that!!

In My Life

  • Global Moderator
  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 6299
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2016, 07:20:24 PM »

Logged
Kelley

In my life I've loved them all

Moogmodule

  • A Thousand Pages
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 1539
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2016, 08:04:55 PM »




Jenny Kee trots the "I shagged John" story every chance she gets.

She was quite cute then though.  icon_good
Logged

In My Life

  • Global Moderator
  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 6299
Re: So Where Are All The "Orgy" Girls?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2016, 08:51:06 PM »

Jenny Kee trots the "I shagged John" story every chance she gets.
 
I don't think I ever heard of her until I saw this old thread. Gee, still so much to learn. Ha, ha.
Logged
Kelley

In my life I've loved them all
Pages: [1] 2
 

Page created in 0.464 seconds with 21 queries.