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Title: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 03, 2011, 09:42:33 PM
Hi all,
I bought a box of vinyl records yesterday at an auction up the road and in amonst it is a few beatles albums.
The strange thing is that some of the covers appear to be stuck on as if they are stickers????
It looks like the person that once owned the collection had worked in the music industry as there are other promo copies and test pressings for other bands.
As an example on the copy of rubber soul it has "file under the beatles" typed in the top right hand corner and the cover picture is as if it has been stuck on.
Is this right or is it an import? anyone got any ideas ????
thanks in advance
Dylan.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: HeyJude18 on April 03, 2011, 10:32:02 PM
I'm not sure if I know what you're talking about, maybe a couple of pictures would help if it's possible on your end?  Maybe give some of us a better idea of what you're talking about.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: tkitna on April 04, 2011, 12:45:23 AM
Probably just radio station copies.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: Bobber on April 04, 2011, 07:21:06 AM
I'm not sure if I know what you're talking about, maybe a couple of pictures would help if it's possible on your end?  Maybe give some of us a better idea of what you're talking about.

Yes, it's a good idea to post a few pics in here to have a closer look.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on April 04, 2011, 11:49:54 AM
As an example on the copy of rubber soul it has "file under the beatles" typed in the top right hand corner and the cover picture is as if it has been stuck on.
Is this right or is it an import? anyone got any ideas ????
thanks in advance
Dylan.


Hi Dylan.
Your copy of Rubber Soul just sounds like it is a normal US mono release. Does it look like this ...?

(http://www.psychedelicvinyl.com/uploads/3/9/4/1/3941586/5443327_orig.jpg)

The early US LP covers were all manufactured like that, with a full-colour front cover picture pasted onto the cardboard sleeve, which had black & white printing on the back and on the spine.

If you can post some pictures and/or better descriptions of the sleeves and album labels then it will help to identify exactly when and where your albums were released.

Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
hi, yes thanks that is what it is like. trying to post pics but telling me upload folder is full?
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: Bobber on April 04, 2011, 07:38:27 PM
hi, yes thanks that is what it is like. trying to post pics but telling me upload folder is full?


A tutorial on how to post pictures can be found here: http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=7946.0 (http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=7946.0)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 07:54:16 PM
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/196764_10150142579091148_524821147_6927290_631545_n.jpg)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 08:09:50 PM
this one is a fake I believe?(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200340_10150142578926148_524821147_6927286_1744887_n.jpg)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 08:18:40 PM
this one also has a stuck on front and back cover

(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208092_10150142596596148_524821147_6927407_2135774_n.jpg)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on April 04, 2011, 08:53:37 PM
this one is a fake I believe?([url]http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200340_10150142578926148_524821147_6927286_1744887_n.jpg[/url])


Yeah - two really obvious pointers to a fake copy of this album are ...

1. On the record label, the album title and the words "The Beatles" are separated by the centre hole - as yours is.
2. The trail-out area (the blank vinyl next to the label) is much wider on fakes than on real copies, and this is a wide one.

Fake or not, it's still a great album to listen to though!!
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
your not wrong and one I didn't have already so will be keeping in my own collection.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on April 04, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
([url]http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/196764_10150142579091148_524821147_6927290_631545_n.jpg[/url])


Yep - that's the original US mono release of Rubber Soul.
Not sure if it's the original inner sleeve though, as Rubber Soul was released in 1965 and this is a 1966 inner, which you would expect to find on the Beatles albums Revolver and Yesterday...and Today.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on April 04, 2011, 09:13:37 PM
this one also has a stuck on front and back cover

([url]http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208092_10150142596596148_524821147_6927407_2135774_n.jpg[/url])


Looks like an early 1970s reissue of Sgt Pepper.
The original 1967 version had the Capitol "rainbow band" label, like on the Rubber Soul LP you have.
This one is on Apple, so is definitely a later pressing. I think it's late 60s to mid-70s, though I'm not sure of the exact dates (Capitol moved to a plain orange coloured label in the mid-70s)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 09:28:56 PM
do you mean like this? this was also in the box, cover not as good on this one though.

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205422_10150142650721148_524821147_6927881_6941804_n.jpg)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 09:49:03 PM
thanks for all your help peter.
got this one also which has a red apple.


(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197952_10150142667841148_524821147_6927958_3028228_n.jpg)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on April 04, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
do you mean like this? this was also in the box, cover not as good on this one though.

([url]http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205422_10150142650721148_524821147_6927881_6941804_n.jpg[/url])


Yes - that's the original Sgt Pepper label from the US.
And that's the mono version there. If you don't have any other mono versions of Sgt Pepper, and you're familiar with the Sgt Pepper CD (which is in stereo), then give this one a listen if you can. The mono version of Pepper is fantastic!
Even on a crackly old bit of vinyl, the mono Sgt Pepper is worth a spin or two!  ;D
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on April 04, 2011, 10:02:03 PM
thanks for all your help peter.
got this one also which has a red apple.


([url]http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197952_10150142667841148_524821147_6927958_3028228_n.jpg[/url])


The US version of Let It Be had a red Apple label and a gatefold sleeve (unlike the UK version).
There are apparently many fake versions of the red label ones around, but I can't remember off-hand how you spot one.Try a quick Google search and I'm sure you'll turn up a few pointers.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: drare on April 04, 2011, 10:13:21 PM
thanks again Peter, found this which points to mine being real as it fits all the catagories

Here's how to tell a fake.

A REAL copy will have the following:
1. High-resolution pictures
2. The white borders around the pictures will be 1/32".
3. In the run off area will be stamped "BELL SOUND".

A FAKE copy will have the following:
1. Low-resolution pictures.
2. The white borders around the pictures will be 1/16".
3. "BELL SOUND" will not be in the run off area.



Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on April 05, 2011, 08:26:48 AM
thanks again Peter, found this which points to mine being real as it fits all the catagories

Here's how to tell a fake.

A REAL copy will have the following:
1. High-resolution pictures
2. The white borders around the pictures will be 1/32".
3. In the run off area will be stamped "BELL SOUND".

A FAKE copy will have the following:
1. Low-resolution pictures.
2. The white borders around the pictures will be 1/16".
3. "BELL SOUND" will not be in the run off area.


Thanks Dylan - now you're helping ME out with identifying Beatles vinyl 
There's always something new to learn.  :)

I'll have to go and check my copy of the US Let It Be album - see if it's legit or not  ;D
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: Bobber on April 05, 2011, 05:26:09 PM
There is a thread somewhere on this forum on how to recognize an Introducing The Beatles counterfeit.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: Ahme on April 05, 2011, 06:11:25 PM
http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/beatles/intro/intro.html (http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/beatles/intro/intro.html)
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: nimrod on July 29, 2011, 11:37:24 PM
Interesting thread guys  :)

I have a mint copy of Pepper which I picked up in a store about 10 years ago, it says (on the rear top LH corner) 'this album has been direct metal mastered from a digitally remastered tape'

everything else about it seems as the original UK release. Does anyone know anything about these ?
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: Bobber on July 30, 2011, 08:53:11 AM
Interesting thread guys  :)

I have a mint copy of Pepper which I picked up in a store about 10 years ago, it says (on the rear top LH corner) 'this album has been direct metal mastered from a digitally remastered tape'

everything else about it seems as the original UK release. Does anyone know anything about these ?

I don't think it's an original from '67! ha2ha
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: nimrod on July 31, 2011, 12:15:14 AM
I don't think it's an original from '67! ha2ha

sort of guessed that bobber  ha2ha
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: Bobber on July 31, 2011, 11:57:39 AM
sort of guessed that bobber  ha2ha

Now that would be a rarity!
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on August 02, 2011, 08:43:34 AM
Interesting thread guys  :)

I have a mint copy of Pepper which I picked up in a store about 10 years ago, it says (on the rear top LH corner) 'this album has been direct metal mastered from a digitally remastered tape'

everything else about it seems as the original UK release. Does anyone know anything about these ?

I think that might be the 1987 re-release, or an even later re-release, but if you can post a picture of one of the labels I could date it more accurately.
Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: nimrod on August 05, 2011, 03:15:17 AM
I think that might be the 1987 re-release, or an even later re-release, but if you can post a picture of one of the labels I could date it more accurately.


(http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af268/nimrod_photos/IMG_3243.jpg)

(http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af268/nimrod_photos/IMG_3244.jpg)

(http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af268/nimrod_photos/IMG_3245.jpg)

(http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af268/nimrod_photos/IMG_3246.jpg)

Title: Re: confused about the vinyl I have bought.
Post by: peterbell1 on August 07, 2011, 06:16:09 PM
It was manufactured some time between 1987 and 2003.