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Other forums => Different Conversations => Topic started by: Wayne L. on June 07, 2004, 04:40:58 PM
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I think Ronald Reagan will be remembered as one of the last great presidents of the US who defined the presidency regardless if you disageed with him politically or because he was a former actor since he was kind of similiar to Franklin Roosevelt except he was a Republican, a conservative & on the right who looked like a president in office image wise for his photo-ops & in his classic speeches as when the Challenger exploded back in 86. I'm not a card carrying Republican or Democrat while I am an Independent & Ronald Reagan showed great leadership during his tenure in office with tax cuts & for a strong military defense which defeated communism in the former Soviet Union in the process but all you extreme liberal activists out there who hate Reagan & Bush with a passion even more so than Osama Bin Laden & Saddam Hussein give it a rest for the week like the Republicans would do for Bill Clinton in the future.
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I knew you'd get around to this eventually.
OK, Wayne, you have no clue and I'm done trying to give you one.
Onto the ignorelist you go. All by yourself, too.
This will save the group from MY answers, as I have no regard for you whatsoever. And it will save me having to read your inflammatory "opinions".
For the record Reagan was an idiot, a crook, and so stupid as to be dangerous.
Real good on TV. That's all that matters to people like you, isn't it?
Buh-bye.
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ouch.
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Yeah Charlie, I have noticed that ever since he died...all of a sudden its all over that he was one of our best presidents... riiiiight.
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He's being credited with single-handedly destroying communism for God's sake! He did NOTHING. Oh wait, he bankrupted them AND us by overspending on defense. Everything he said he'd do he did the opposite (just like Bush).
It was horrible having him as governor for 8 years, THEN having him for President was The usual GOP tactics.
Yes, unfortunately people are supposed to be saints suddenly when they die. Look how John was canonized..at least HE deserved it!
Frankly I'm sorry he suffered. I'm sorry his wife suffered. But how many millions suffered because of him? What about them?
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Ok I think we really need to stop discussing politics here, it's not the time nor the place to be broadcasting your political views. Even though it's the "Different Conversations" section, still it's a Beatles forum, not a political forum!
For me, these forums used to be the one place I could come where there weren't any fights breaking out between Republicans and Democrats, etc...but NOW I can't even hardly look at a thread without seeing Wayne and Mister Charlie going at it about stupid politics!!!!!!!! (no offense to Wayne or Charlie--it's just that you two have been the most active political debators here)
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Don't you ever compare Ronald Regan to Franklin Roosevelt EVER!!!!! It's like comparing John Lennon with William Hung. It's just not right.
Oh and Harlena, I understand your concern, but I like discussing politics with people who share my own interests. I want to discuss all aspects of life with people who share the same interests as me. That's why I'm here. I don't post all that much on the Beatles threads because I'm here to discuss the world with Beatles fans.
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But with politics, it's hard to just DISCUSS, especially since everyone has pretty much conflicting views. With politics you argue, and end up insulting other people for what they believe to be right. And that's not good at all.
And I don't mean to pick on Charlie, but his posts about politics DO seem to be a tad too aggressive, especially towards Wayne. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Charlie and I think he is a cool and funny guy. :) But when it comes to politics I think I'd rather him not talk about it here, unless he reforms a bit and makes his posts less hostile.
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Mature people can argue over a subject without namecalling. For instance I had a pretty heated debate with someone, (can't remember who) about vegetarianism and abortion. But we let it go. Adults don't insult one another with petty name calling and posting. ahem. And. I think politics is a great way to go..
And for the record, I disagree with politics in general but I liked Regan.
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Do you really have to quarell about a person whether he was good or bad, who already died??? Let him rest in peace. Argue doesn't change anything now.
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Its the fun of debate... if people don't want to debate over politics then they don't have to read this thread or reply. This I think is a good idea so people can debate here and not in threads that are made to talk about something different.
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[quote by=harlenamcstarkney link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=5 date=1086674047]Ok I think we really need to stop discussing politics here, it's not the time nor the place to be broadcasting your political views.
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How boring.
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Charlie blocked Wayne. LOL! Thats hysterical. Again, I vowed off all the religious and political threads because it leads to nothing but bitterness. If people can debate these topics without getting hostile,,,,more power to you. I cant seem to do so.
I liked Reagan by the way.
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[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=13 date=1086827499]Charlie blocked Wayne. LOL! Thats hysterical. Again, I vowed off all the religious and political threads because it leads to nothing but bitterness. If people can debate these topics without getting hostile,,,,more power to you. I cant seem to do so.
***That's why I blocked Wayne. I don't suffer fools gladly.
I liked Reagan by the way.
***EVERYbody liked Reagan. That doesn't mean he was a good President.
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Darn you Chuck. I was only trying to get the last word in. Spoiled again!
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[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=15 date=1086910540]Darn you Chuck. I was only trying to get the last word in. Spoiled again![/quote]
And again!
LOL
This puts me in a precarious position...do I reply with a LOL? Or do I not and leave you the last word? I'll be up all night on this one. :)
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[quote by=misterchaz link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=16 date=1086937756]
And again!
LOL
This puts me in a precarious position...do I reply with a LOL?
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Reagan......stuck to his beliefs. Like Teddy Roosevelt, another President whose politics I'm not fond of, he was a dynamic figure that provided someone to look up to for most of the country. The two were persistent, strong leaders that help define American determination.
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Yes, and dinosaurs plodded along unbothered too. They're gone now. :)
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I don't care if you're envious of me or jealous of me because you don't know me personally(thank God) mister charlie which shows your ignorance in more ways than one which is your mental problem. Ronald Reagan left his mark on American politics much more so than Bill Clinton ever did regardless if you disagreed with him during the 80's. Reagan is the last great president of the US because he looked like a president with his bigger than life persona in the White House when I was in my late teens/early 20's at the time.
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A president should help our country move forward, not just be some entertainer with a personality. To call Ronald Reagan a great president is a disgrace, i mean he nearly destroyed our economy. And why is he all of a sudden the man who stood up to Communism? A) they were already falling apart and B) why did we care so much, can't people have an economic system not based on greed. Even if they messed it up with their dictators and horrible treatment, i dont see why Reagan is now being said to have single-handedly sestroyed it. Also, i think its good that theres at least one political thread here, i mean its in different conversations. Political debate is interesting, and mister charlie, your views are right on.
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What is your definition of moving forward anyway since you brought it up Herecomesyoursun unless you think Clinton getting a blowjob in the White House by Monica is good for the nation? Reagan destroyed communism without firing any guns which is what being a strong leader is all about.
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Communism was about to collapse anyway. Also, Reagan should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal. To bring up the Lewinsky thing shows how dumb you are. It was his personal life why do you care. The man was a great president try to look beyond his personal problems. Reagan was a failure who spawned a whole new generation of people like GWB
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It wasn't Clinton's personal problem because he was getting a blowjob from Monica in the White House instead of his private home which would have been completely different. Clinton should have been impeached for a lot more than the Lewinsky affair which history will show regardless of his new autobiography trying to spin his legacy In My Life. I think Iran-Contra wasn't too bad a thing except for whining liberals like yourself & the mainstream media because selling cheap, worthless arms to terrorists for our hostages was smart unlike trying to rescue hostages with a helicopter like Jimmy Carter.
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[quote by=Wayne_L. link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=24 date=1087155194]It wasn't Clinton's personal problem because he was getting a blowjob from Monica in the White House instead of his private home which would have been completely different.
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How do you know that I'm right wing or left wing because I'm not a card carrying Democrat or Republican but I am an Independent as well as a non-partisan political watcher who can think for himself unlike you Herecomesyoursun? The war on terror will be going on long after I'm dead & gone just like you no matter who is in the White House whether that be Bush or Kerry.
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It doesnt matter what card you carry, your thought process is right wing. BTW you're not very non-partisan judging by some other threads. You're right that the War on Terror will go on, but it will go nowhere as long as there is a War in Iraq. Do yourself a favor, watch the Daily Show, laugh enjoy, and try not to think about the fact that GWB is coming back, just because the Dems cant put anyone together.
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If you believe Jon Stewart of The Daily Show, you must think Justin Timberlake is God, thanks for sharing your stupidity with me Hercomesyoursun. I'm not right wing or left wing politically & I am non-partisan with strong opinons unlike yourself. I think George W. Bush will win re-election against his Democratic opponent John Kerry in November because the Democratic Party leaders & their activists think he's the second coming of JFK mostly, which is ridiculous.
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I never said believe Jon Stewart, I said he was funny. You are clearly not very openminded at all, yet you claim to be non-partisan. riiiiight....
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[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=23 date=1087154782]Communism was about to collapse anyway.
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[quote by=daveman_84 link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=30 date=1087160621]
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Davy you're such a NERD!
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8)[quote by=harlenamcstarkney link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=31 date=1087171401]
Davy you're such a NERD![/quote]
(dance)
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I hope everybody sees Wayne for who he is: Bill O'reilly.
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[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=33 date=1087174391]I hope everybody sees Wayne for who he is: Bill O'reilly.
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LOL!
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[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=33 date=1087174391]I hope everybody sees Wayne for who he is: Bill O'reilly.
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Can't be. At least Bill O'Reilly spits his venom in complete sentences!
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[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=33 date=1087174391]I hope everybody sees Wayne for who he is: Bill O'reilly.
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Yeah, Bill also calls himself an Independent, while we all know he's a registered Republican, as seen in the Al Franken book....
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Dont back down from them Wayne! Go get em'. Yippee!
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Good Lord, don't encourage him! Shame!
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Just trying to regain the upper hand Charlie. You know,,,let somebody else do my bidding.
Also, this thread just wont die.
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so sad about regan... they kinda waited a while to bury him. I guess it was his farewell tour.
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[quote by=Rowdy link=Blah.pl?b=conversations,m=1086626458,s=36 date=1087204583]
Yeah, Bill also calls himself an Independent, while we all know he's a registered Republican, as seen in the Al Franken book....[/quote]
Rowdy thats exactly what i meant. And please, encourage Wayne, he shows exactly whats wrong with the right.
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I'm not a card carrying Republican or Democrat but I am an Independent who can think for himself because the late Ronald Reagan was the last great president of the US who looked like a president image wise along with his great speehes as in after the Challenger disaster back in 86 when I was in my late teens/early 20's in the 80's which is above Bill Clinton in the 90's politically speaking regardless if you disagreed with his policies!