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Title: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: mantanz on September 17, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
Hi guys and gals,

I have a Beatles photo signed by the band, but I am unsure as to whether it's genuine or not. I can't find the same item on the web, so I'm guessing if it is a print, it's a pretty rare one, though the signatures look like they were signed with a real pen.

What also makes me think it MAY be real is the message on the back "With best wishes from Louise Harrison". Perhaps she had it signed for someone... or maybe it IS a print that she got from the guys for a friend? I have no idea and can't find anyone to help me authenticate it... so HOPEFULLY someone here will be able to shed some light on this.

Here are images of the front and back:

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg88/scaled.php?server=88&filename=beatlesfront.jpg&res=medium)
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg684/scaled.php?server=684&filename=beatlesback.jpg&res=medium)

Hope you can  2ch!!!
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Bobber on September 19, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
The autographs of the Beatles themselves look like fake to me. Louise's writing on the back looks genuine however.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Badgirl66 on September 19, 2011, 03:23:29 PM
 real is maybe only  Misses Harrison Autograph the Beatles are Fake Autograph

(http://www.blogdelamusica.com/wp-content/uploads/beatles_autograph.jpg)

Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: mantanz on September 21, 2011, 12:28:15 AM
Great, thanks guys! Now I know!

Haha, I had been looking under the wrong thing in Google. I typed in Beatles Autograph, rather than "signed Beatles" and various other things I tried (amazing how I missed the most simple one!) and there were several pics of my postcard. LOL.

So this would probably have been a big run print, yeah?

Cheers!!!!
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 21, 2011, 02:33:58 AM
Welcome to the Forum, mantanz!  I know you'll enjoy it here.

To go a step further, you'll remember Paul's grandfather signing publicity photos in A Hard Day's Night.  That wasn't far from the truth!  There were many photos signed by secretaries and distributed for public relations purposes early in The Beatles' career.  Three of my cousins visiting Great Britain in 1964 were given such publicity photos at that time.  In the interim, they've found out that The Beatles did not sign their photos.  Some were pretty good replica signatures though.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: mantanz on September 21, 2011, 01:03:56 PM
Hehe, I'm WAY too young to remember that! lol. I was given that postcard as a kid (in the 80s). The woman who gave it to me said she'd got it from a friend in England (who I assume Louise gave it to). Unfortunately I can't find out much more as have no idea where she is now...

And I hate to say it... I'm not actually a Beatles fan... GASP! I don't dislike them, I just haven't heard too much of their stuff but I'm thinking I ought to start broadening my musical tastes now that I'm closing in on 40!!!!

Any albums you'd recommend to a noob?
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Bobber on September 21, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
And I hate to say it... I'm not actually a Beatles fan... GASP! I don't dislike them, I just haven't heard too much of their stuff but I'm thinking I ought to start broadening my musical tastes now that I'm closing in on 40!!!!

Any albums you'd recommend to a noob?

It's never too late. I'd say A Hard Day's Night for the early stuff, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road. But in fact all albums are essential. I guess you wouldn't expect another answer from a diehard fan, would you? ;D
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 22, 2011, 04:39:24 AM
It's never too late. I'd say A Hard Day's Night for the early stuff, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road. But in fact all albums are essential. I guess you wouldn't expect another answer from a diehard fan, would you? ;D

Right!  Get the Box Set, mantanz.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: mantanz on September 24, 2011, 04:24:03 AM
Haha, so.... ALL OF IT?!?!?! LOL. I had to sing Helter Skelter on TV once on a kid's show... was very embarrassing...
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: KelMar on September 24, 2011, 04:30:59 AM
I had to sing Helter Skelter on TV once on a kid's show... was very embarrassing...

Now that sounds like an interesting story!
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 24, 2011, 08:06:33 PM
I had to sing Helter Skelter on TV once on a kid's show... was very embarrassing...


Ah, but if you sang it this way things would have been different...


The Beatles Helter Skelter Anthology version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHvqghlCiks#)
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: mantanz on September 26, 2011, 10:58:04 AM
Ah, but if you sang it this way things would have been different...


The Beatles Helter Skelter Anthology version ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHvqghlCiks#[/url])


LOL!!! I did think about that!!!

LOL again, I just realised... it wasn't Helter Skelter, it was Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da!!! HAHA! Shows how much I know (or possibly that my memory is failing me)!

Either way, I sang it on national TV and I can assure you, I ain't no singer! HAHAHA.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: KelMar on September 27, 2011, 02:26:20 AM
LOL again, I just realised... it wasn't Helter Skelter, it was Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da!!! HAHA! Shows how much I know (or possibly that my memory is failing me)!

 ha2ha Now that makes more sense! I kept trying to imagine kids singing Helter Skelter on TV. I'm sure this was very cute.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: lordmuckofmacc on February 26, 2012, 06:02:51 AM
Hi,

I had an IDENTICAL photo, so I guess that they cannot be hand-written autographs, and must be mass-produced. It was given to my Mum and Dad in the early 1960's by Paul McCartney's auntie, who they used to see in Eric's Club in Claughton, Birkenhead.

However, I found another identical one on a South African auction website which sold for £800, so I listed mine on Ebay and I got £600! I got lots of messages saying that it was mass-produced (which is what I said in my listing) and worthless, but I guessed that things get more collectable when they have nearly all disappeared.

Luckily, I also kept most of my 60s and 70s vinyl, and some of those LPs and singles fetched between £30 - £150 on Ebay.

So, good luck with your own Beatles photo!

Neil.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: cantabman1 on October 08, 2012, 12:56:25 AM

I also have just collected this postcard from a garage sale last week for the brilliant cost of $5.00 NZ and if the last post is correct stand to make plenty  on a resale, if they are indeed selling from between 600- 800 pounds, which is what i intend to do.
I emailed Frank C in the States last week to find out about the postcard, but he is not authenticating at present.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: peterbell1 on October 08, 2012, 12:16:29 PM
Not really related, but I came across some pictures from the same photoshoot - obviously taken in Paris in early '64 ...

(http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/1964.beatles.paris.a.jpg)

(http://beatles.ncf.ca/olympia_beatles_1964.jpg)
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: cantabman1 on October 09, 2012, 09:34:56 AM
Wow! these must have been  part of a series taken that day as they are standing in different postions.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: peterbell1 on October 09, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
The card shown in the original post is obviously professionally produced as you can see that the background has been erased to just leave the Beatles in the picture. It is strange, though, that there is no text on the reverse side of the card - if it was an EMI/Parlophone or Beatles Fanclub promo card you would expect that to be written somewhere, and if it was sold as a postcard then you'd expect the usual stuff you get on the back of a postcard - a place for the address and postage stamp etc.
So I wonder if it is an unofficial product which was made available to fans during the 1964 tours of Asia and the US?

Cantabman1 - can you post a picture of your own card so we can compare them?
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: cantabman1 on October 09, 2012, 07:46:15 PM
I have already tried to post a pic, and after reducing its size the site will still not except it.
My postcard was sent within New Zealand and has a stamp on it with a small letter, but not from The Beatles.The picture is exactly the same as the first one on this thread.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Bobber on October 10, 2012, 08:37:52 AM
I have already tried to post a pic, and after reducing its size the site will still not except it.
My postcard was sent within New Zealand and has a stamp on it with a small letter, but not from The Beatles.The picture is exactly the same as the first one on this thread.


Tutorial on how to post pictures here: http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=7946.0 (http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=7946.0)

Having just 3 posts it is not possibly to post pictures as an attachment.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: irenemaxtor on April 22, 2014, 01:57:19 AM
Better consult for expert to check the authenticity of the signatures. As we all know when it comes to Beatles memorabilia it cost a lot and much expensive when they include signature, but in line of this, there are also syndicates that try to forge every documents of famous artist like Beatles. That picture and signatures seems to be real though, but unless specified and authenticated by expert, you can never can tell if this is really original handwritten of Beatles members and not a reproduction. I have several reproduction copy including their albums, but I never think of it that it is in fact reproduction and no cost at all, the only thing I just need is to at least have Beatles memorabilia. I have them even printed on vinyl type posters , thanks to http://www.digiteksf.com/adhesive-vinyl/ (http://www.digiteksf.com/adhesive-vinyl/), it is the site that made the printing and restored some glitches from the reproduction copy.
Title: Beatles Autographed Postcard Is this real or fake
Post by: Abrahamtom on January 10, 2015, 10:52:16 AM
This past Febuary, I found a lone 10212 Imperial Shuttle sitting on a shelf in TRU. When I asked an employee about it, he said they had just found it in the back room.
How much was it??
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Fctcal on May 17, 2015, 07:19:48 PM
Hi,

I realize that this post and string is a few years old now but I just stumbled upon it and thought I would contribute what I could. I have this same exact picture. It is printed on heavy card stock, almost like a post card but mine is in very good condition being as it has been kept in a 5x7 frame for the last 50 years. Let me give you a bit of the back story as to how I got mine.

I have cousins who live in Liverpool England (and still do as far as I know). My grandparents were very close with them and used to go visit every couple of years. In early 1964 I was 6 years old and absolutely a huge Beatles fan already. I absolutely loved them. When I found out my grandparents were going over to England for a visit, in my youthful innocence I asked if they could get me their autographs (as if it were that easy). As it turned out my relatives there lived only a couple of blocks from where Ringo's mother lived. Not wanting to disappoint their American cousin They took my grandparents over to the house and knocked on her door to see what they might be able to get for me. There is more to this part of the story but the short version is that Ringo's mom invited them in and after some conversation gave them this card to give to me.

What I am about to tell you is the explanation that Mrs. Starkey gave to my grandparents about what this photo actually is. This photo was a promotional piece the boys had printed up in limited quantities to give to the parents (or other family members) for just such an occasion. This is why yours is signed by Mrs. Harrison, Georges mother. They were only given to family members. It was intended to be a hand out, to give to, and hopefully satisfy, fans who might come around looking for a "piece of something" from their favorite Beatle, to keep them from tearing off shingles or shutters or doormats or whatever, to have a piece of Beatles memorabilia. This story was verified and discussed many times throughout my life with my grandparents, so it is a first hand account, and I have every reason to believe it is true.

Furthermore, While it is true that Brian Epstein (their manager) or Mal Evans (longtime friend) would frequently sign promos for the boys I have spent many years researching the signatures and have found them to be authentic. Not original, they did not sign every photo, they are reproduced, but authentic. Unfortunately mine does not have a signature on the back as yours does.

If you read this, I hope it helps you. In closing, being as you are not a Beatles fan (and I still am ;)), I would be happy to take it off your hands to have as a companion piece to mine.
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: Bobber on May 18, 2015, 07:10:49 AM
Great story and explanation. Thanks for the reply!
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: KelMar on May 18, 2015, 05:01:16 PM
Wow Fctcal...that's a a great Beatles item you've got there! They probably didn't realize it at the time but they sure did future collectors a favor by reserving those for the families to give out. Thanks for sharing your wonderful story and welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: Beatles Autographed Postcard - Is this real or fake?!?!
Post by: frantique2000 on December 28, 2015, 06:52:02 AM
Thank you for posting this comprehensive explanation.  I've had this one identical for years and have long been wondering.  Now I know.  Again, many thanks.