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Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« on: January 30, 2017, 02:46:33 AM »

"For What It's Worth" was the one and only great hit by Buffalo Springfield. It was written by Stephen Stills and released as a single in January 1967, reaching #7 in US. The song could be considered as a precursor of country rock; that genre was later defined by this band and other contemporary groups like the Byrds. This is also a protest song focussed on anti-system riots and police repression, in a worker vs. worker battle favoring the few privileged people. So the theme remains up to date until now.

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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 03:46:49 AM »

This one is ok. A bit too laid back and "samey" in tempo for my tastes. The meandering echoey lead guitar I don't find that that appealing.

But to its credit it's about as evocative of the protest era as you can get. In sounds and lyrics.
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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2017, 04:05:52 AM »

Back in the 60s, we knew For What It's Worth for what it was; a song written in bourgeois protest of curfews on kids going to Sunset Strip clubs in Los Angeles.  But it was a good song with lyrics that lent itself to the Viet Nam War protest movement.  It became one of our anthems.

Neil Young's Ohio was a more meaningful protest song of the times.


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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2017, 11:46:08 AM »

This one is ok. A bit too laid back and "samey" in tempo for my tastes. The meandering echoey lead guitar I don't find that that appealing.

But to its credit it's about as evocative of the protest era as you can get. In sounds and lyrics.

I think it's an interesting song to listen to with headphones due to the extreme stereo separation. The lead vocal by Stephen Stills can be heard on the left and harmonizing by Richie Furay can be heard on the right. I love listening to each isolated channel.
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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2017, 12:13:56 PM »

Back in the 60s, we knew For What It's Worth for what it was; a song written in bourgeois protest of curfews on kids going to Sunset Strip clubs in Los Angeles.  But it was a good song with lyrics that lent itself to the Viet Nam War protest movement.  It became one of our anthems.

Neil Young's Ohio was a more meaningful protest song of the times.

Yes, the song was originally inspired on that event from Los Angeles. And I know it was later used as an anti-war anthem. But I think the meaning of the lyrics is wider and they actually describe a general social situation. It's a protest song about protesting. Words like "there's battle lines being drawn; nobody's right if everybody's wrong" put the singer as an outsider who is not supporting either side. It reminds me to the message of the Beatles' "Revolution", indicating that destruction is not the way. The true side of the singer seems to be the one of peaceful protesters, who are "singing songs and carrying signs; mostly say, hooray for our side". Then the last words are very interesting, saying "paranoia strikes deep; into your life it will creep; it starts when you're always afraid; you step out of line, the man come and take you away". I think they ask young protesters to be clever, as the world won't change from the night to the day; so violence will be answered with more violence. Revolutions require blood or time, and their effect is much stronger when they are not based on violent force but on a convinced population.

With regard to "Ohio", it's certainly a wilder protest song in terms of sound and lyrics. But the message is too direct and precise, about that sad event from Ohio, and perhaps it's more difficult to adapt it to today's reality.
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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2017, 08:22:40 PM »

Right, Andres.  I said the same thing but concisely.

The lyrics were generic enough so that the song could be applied to different "struggles."  But at the time, we looked toward artists who were more direct, for example Phil Ochs...


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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2017, 09:46:46 PM »

Right, Andres.  I said the same thing but concisely.

The lyrics were generic enough so that the song could be applied to different "struggles."  But at the time, we looked toward artists who were more direct, for example Phil Ochs...


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He hit hard at the establishment and as a result several record shops refused to stock his records.


That's a great protest song, Barry.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2017, 10:05:35 PM »

Phil Ochs...The Quintessential American Troubadour


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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2017, 10:26:44 PM »

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And Phil Ochs was a Beatles fan...


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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2017, 12:03:45 AM »

I think it's an interesting song to listen to with headphones due to the extreme stereo separation. The lead vocal by Stephen Stills can be heard on the left and harmonizing by Richie Furay can be heard on the right. I love listening to each isolated channel.

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2017, 12:14:30 AM »

I've never been a huge fan of this song.  As a matter of fact, I usually turn it when it comes on.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2017, 11:37:38 AM »

I hadn't tried that. It does sound cool like that. Thanks for the tip icon_good


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I've never been a huge fan of this song.  As a matter of fact, I usually turn it when it comes on.


Do you like this one, Todd?

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Re: Classic 60's songs: For What It's Worth
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2017, 07:02:07 PM »

Yeah 'Nr. Soul' is great, but this has always been my favorite.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2017, 07:11:08 PM »

Yeah 'Nr. Soul' is great, but this has always been my favorite.

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That's one of my favorite Buffalo Springfield songs too. Apparently, David Crosby sang backing vocals there; and he co-wrote the song with Stills, but he was uncredited.
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