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Beatles forums => Polls => Topic started by: Flaming Pie in the Sky on May 11, 2007, 07:46:10 PM
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I personally like the Harrison songs on Abbey Road because they're beautiful songs and really show George coming around as a songwriter. Even Paul and John compliment them.
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I can see that Something is a classic and Here Comes The Sun is great but my vote goes to ...
... The White Album (While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Piggies, Long Long Long, Savoy Truffle)
- While My Guitar Gently Weeps is superb and
- Long Long Long [size=9](USalley unheard)[/size] is one of my all time favourites ones of him!
It's a pity that Not Guilty or Sour Milk Sea (to mention just two) weren't included :-/ ... they are gems!
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My all time fav George songs were & still are in the Beatles.
I would choose Abbey Road (which i've voted :)), Something could be
my personal fav & Here Comes The Sun is a gem beyond words.
While My Guitar Gently Weeps is a knock-out song!, but i really didn't like
the other ones much on the white album. :-/
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Yes, I agree with you. While My Guitar Gently Weeps is a excellent song, but I don't really like the others on the White Album.
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Argh! Another impossible poll!
It really is a complete toss-up for me between Revolver, Rubber Soul, and Abbey Road. They all contain some of my very favorites. I went with Rubber Soul in the end, but tomorrow I might have voted for different album. ;D
Absolute favorite George songs:
Here Comes The Sun
While My Guitar Gently Weeps (acoustic version)
Think For Yourself
Love You To
Within You Without You
Long Long Long
Something
If I Needed Someone
I Need You
Taxman
I Want To Tell You
Only A Nothern Song
I Me Mine
It's All Too Much
With the rest following behind. Again, my order might change tomorrow!
*sigh* I love polls. We should do one with George's singles!
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I always liked If I Needed Someone.
For the early stuff, Dont Bother Me is underated.
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Hi, Silby! Good to see you.
Agree with Don't Bother Me on early stuff. There's just so many George songs I enjoy. :)
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Abbey Road
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I always thought the Beatles version of Not Guilty was excellant, & i'm baffled
why it didn't make the final cut on the white album. i think it would have worked
better than Piggies. :-/
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So agree about Not Guilty, Andy! It's dark, slinky, powerful-- great stuff!
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I always thought the Beatles version of Not Guilty was excellant, & i'm baffled
why it didn't make the final cut on the white album. i think it would have worked
better than Piggies. :-/
So agree about Not Guilty, Andy! It's dark, slinky, powerful-- great stuff!
... Not Guilty and Sour Milk Sea replacing Piggies and Savoy Truffle and you improve his contribution!
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[...] For the early stuff, Dont Bother Me is underated.
You got it, silby, you got it!!! ;)
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Thanks Raxo...
And in case anyone is interested, the bottom of this page has a short Flash movie of a rambunctious surf-instro cover of it:
http://bomba.com/video.html
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Thanks Raxo...
And in case anyone is interested, the bottom of this page has a short Flash movie of a rambunctious surf-instro cover of it:
[url]http://bomba.com/video.html[/url]
Thanks ... for the link! ;)
Good short instrumental cover! Sweet keyboards and a very rock end! :)
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... Not Guilty and Sour Milk Sea replacing Piggies and Savoy Truffle and you improve his contribution!
I couldn't disagree more. Not Guilty: over a hundred takes and not one usuable. Sour Milk Sea is not better than Piggies and/or Savoy Truffle in my opinion.
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[...]Not Guilty: over a hundred takes and not one usuable. Sour Milk Sea is not better than Piggies and/or Savoy Truffle in my opinion.
The number of takes means nothing, in my opinion, and I think that it was very "usuable" but they chose others. Sexy Sadie took some takes too ;) and (we can listened to outtakes of both in Anthology 3). Sour Milk Sea is superior to Piggies, I think.
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The number of takes means nothing, in my opinion.
To me it means that they probably tried really hard to get it right. I tend to think that it didn't work out to their satisfaction.
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To me it means that they probably tried really hard to get it right. I tend to think that it didn't work out to their satisfaction.
I agree on that ... they surely want it to make it sound different. Or ...
Weren't John and Paul the only members of the group that select the songs and the order of the album?
That could be the other side of the coin! :-/
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I agree on that ... they surely want it to make it sound different. Or ...
Weren't John and Paul the only members of the group that select the songs and the order of the album?
That could be the other side of the coin! :-/
That is a wild guess. Surely, if George had proven himself to be a more productive songwriter in the years before, and had produced more quality songs, he may have had a bigger influence. But I think they all selected the songs for the album to be made. Anyway, I'm glad that you agree that they really tried to make Not Guilty work. It denies the idea that they were only working on Paul's or John's songs. Plus John and Paul were simply more productive than George, certainly in the years up to 68. The running order was usually made in co-operation with George Martin.
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That is a wild guess. Surely, if George had proven himself to be a more productive songwriter in the years before, and had produced more quality songs, he may have had a bigger influence. But I think they all selected the songs for the album to be made. Anyway, I'm glad that you agree that they really tried to make Not Guilty work. It denies the idea that they were only working on Paul's or John's songs. Plus John and Paul were simply more productive than George, certainly in the years up to 68. The running order was usually made in co-operation with George Martin.
I was talking about the selection of the songs that made the album ... because, in this case, they recorded demos before the sessions began but some of those songs were recorded when the album was almost finished and in some cases because the author insisted (one example could be While My Guitar Gently Weeps) ...
It's said that John and Paul decided which songs and their order in the album ... I think that George and Ringo were not in London that day!
"October 16, 1968
Abbey Road. The White Album sessions. Paul, John and George Martin held a 24 hour session, beginning at 5pm and ending at 5pm the following day, choosing the songs and working out the sequencing of the four sides of the double album. They were up against a tight deadline, and every studio and listening room at Abbey Road was used for this marathon task: studios one, two and three as well as listening rooms 41 and 42. In the end 30 songs were presented to the public as The Beatles (and, as usual, the two sides of their new single was not included).
George was not involved in the final selection and sequencing because he flew to Los Angeles that day to continue working with Jackie Lomax on his forthcoming Apple album."
from here: http://wingspan.ru/bookseng/diary/m12_1968.html
I've never believed in what George said about that they had to record 20 songs of Paul before even Paul heardg one of him ... that's an exageration, of course ... like that one that says that they spent a lot of time and money on Maxwell's Silver Hammer ... they were the group and they were there but there are facts that they seem not to know pretty well ... lucky us that we've got all those history books and the data! :)
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I don't believe they made the selection of George's song without George had told them what songs he wanted on. Moreover, if George thought it was important he should have been there, I'm sure he would have. He choose not to.
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I don't believe they made the selection of George's song without George had told them what songs he wanted on. Moreover, if George thought it was important he should have been there, I'm sure he would have. He choose not to.
I don't know the "behind the scenes" of that day but maybe George was tired of the whole thing by that time ... the tension and all that. If George would have been told that he could choose only 4 of his songs I could understand that he could feel that he was not needed that day ... but it would be a cruel thing to be said (to him, I mean) ... and that doesn't mean that it's an impossible thing: they were quite cruel ... George could feel that Not Guilty was not recorded properly (John felt the same about his Across The Universe) and Sour Milk Sea was given away too soon[size=9](not a good decision, in my opinion)[/size] ... to Jackie Lomax, precisely!!! So, being true to themshelves they didn't recorded it :-/ ...
"June 24, 1968
Abbey Road. George began work as a producer, recording 'Sour Milk Sea' with new Apple signing, Jackie Lomax, an old friend from Liverpool."
from the same web: http://wingspan.ru/bookseng/diary/m12_1968.html
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If if if. There's a lot of speculation in your previous post. We don't really know. True, we don't know the 'behind the scenes' of that time.
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Not so many, I think ;):
- George was tired of the whole thing by that time ... the tension and all that.
Tired [size=9](or called whatever you want it) [/size]but he said something like that ... that he was happier recording with others and producing albums by late 1968 ...
- If George would have been told that he could choose only 4 of his songs I could understand that he could feel that he was not needed that day ...
This is the other possible explanation (speculation?) I can think of to explain why he was flying to Los Angeles that day ... because if not why he did that? ??)
- George could feel that Not Guilty was not recorded properly (John felt the same about his Across The Universe)
Yes, I admit that this point of view (mine) is speculation ;)
- Sour Milk Sea was given away too soon [size=9](not a good decision, in my opinion)[/size] ... to Jackie Lomax, precisely!!! So, being true to themshelves they didn't recorded it :-/ ...
Well, this point is just facts :) ...
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If George would have been told that he could choose only 4 of his songs I could understand that he could feel that he was not needed that day ...
This is the other possible explanation (speculation?) I can think of to explain why he was flying to Los Angeles that day ... because if not why he did that? ??)
Another perfectly reasonable explanation is that George had the studio time booked then and had to fly out to LA. These guys often worked against competing deadlines, and George was very conscious of the money he was wasting in the studio if he didn't show up (these tales are recorded elsewhere).
I don't know if George was up against a hard deadline for Jackie's work, but I could easily believe it, particularly as the White Album appeared to be running past schedule.
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^Yes, I thought about "studio time booked" too but I thought too that, since those sessions for the Jackie Lomax album began at least in June, probably his deadline (he was an Apple act then) was not a hard one ... The Guys's album, on the other hand ::) ... but I know nothing about that day and the reasons George had ... when we haven't got data everything are speckulations ...
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... Not Guilty and Sour Milk Sea replacing Piggies and Savoy Truffle and you improve his contribution!
But I totally agree Raxo!! ;)
Sour Milk Sea is one of George's best 'unreleased' songs!
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But I totally agree Raxo!! ;)
Sour Milk Sea is one of George's best 'unreleased' songs!
:) ... even in its demo form sounds great!!! Good rock! ;)
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I know nothing about that day and the reasons George had ... when we haven't got data everything are speculations ...
Yeah, where are all these press that are supposed to be hounding the guys? Why did they fail us so badly? At the very least somebody could have put radio collars on the guys with built-in microphones and perhaps planted a microchip at the base of their brains... ;D
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Yeah, where are all these press that are supposed to be hounding the guys? Why did they fail us so badly? At the very least somebody could have put radio collars on the guys with built-in microphones and perhaps planted a microchip at the base of their brains... ;D
I would have seconded that!!! That surely would have stopped all the speckulations!;D
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There are no other forums quite like this one, that's for sure. (wink2)
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There are no other forums quite like this one, that's for sure. (wink2)
... never forget it! ;D
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how could I? ::)
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how could I? ::)
Probably with the time ... but I'm sure you won't! ;)
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- Sour Milk Sea was given away too soon [size=9](not a good decision, in my opinion)[/size] ... to Jackie Lomax, precisely!!! So, being true to themshelves they didn't recorded it :-/ ...
Well, this point is just facts :) ...
It is a fact it was given away. Too soon? I'd rather say too late. And they had recorded songs that they had given away before.
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It is a fact it was given away. Too soon? I'd rather say too late. [...]
Were are the speculations there then?
Too late? Why? I think that too soon because they demoed it at the end of May and George was producing it a month later.
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"June 24, 1968
Abbey Road. George began work as a producer, recording 'Sour Milk Sea' with new Apple signing, Jackie Lomax, an old friend from Liverpool."
from the same web: [url]http://wingspan.ru/bookseng/diary/m12_1968.html[/url]
While My Guitar Gently Weeps (for example) took a lot of time to be on tape ... he had to demoed again in the studio before the rest of them joined ...
[...] And they had recorded songs that they had given away before.
Of course, a few of them were recorded too by them ... but it was before, as you've said (most of the times -if not always- their recording was done before they gave them away and that is what I had in mind when I said "being true to themshelves they didn't recorded it") but by that time it was not very usual ... can you think of an example?
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I bet you are a politician.
I'd say they gave it away too late, because Sour Milk Sea is not as good as you say it is in my opinion. The speculation is in the part where you say it was given away too soon. The Beatles might have thought it was just not good enough for them to have a go at it. The fact is that it was given away.
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You can't lose if you don't bet ... sadly, I've been called worst things in these forums ::) ... and after all, wasn't GreenApple the politician?:
http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-harrison/m-1131888152/s-0/ (reply 12)
Can you distinguish between speculation and opinion? They "might have thought it was just not good enough for them to have a go at it. The fact is that it was given away." ... and because of that was it done too late?
If before June, 24 they had began to record just a bunch of songs (Revolution 1 and 9, Don't Pass Me By, Helter Skelter (studio demo) and Blackbird ... and none of them were George's) I think that George (and not the group -do you really think that they all decided to gave it away?-) gave Sour Milk Sea away too soon (too late? why too late?) because he could have tried to record it with the others later (to me, Come And Get It is a similar example of a song given away too soon) ... this opinion, -yours is that it's not such a good song, not better than Piggies or Savoy Truffle ... that's what I said-, is based on facts related to the time and when George's songs were recorded for the album ... curiously, Paul and Ringo played on Jackie Lomax's Sour Milk Sea ...
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Although I like The Abbey road Georginess, I voted for Yellow Sub as i'm more into those songs than AR.
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Abbey Road for me.
I'm a big fan of Something... it's such a beautiful song... love both the singing and the playing.
And Here Comes the Sun is great too. Although George says (sings) "it's alright", it's definitely more than just that! ;) :)
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Abbey Road for me.
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It's obvious that Abbey Road is going to win this poll ... but I love reading the ex-planactions! :)
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I love reading the ex-planactions! :)
I like reading them too... *borrows the scientists' machine from Help! and puts on head* ...they give you a sense of outlook, don't they? ;D
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I like reading them too... *borrows the scientists' machine from Help! and puts on head* ...they give you a sense of outlook, don't they? ;D
Yes, they do ;) ...
(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2922/helpeu9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Yes, they do ;) ...
don't they. Yes they do. Don't they do? Doe
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Why is Ringo wearing a colander on his head?
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don't they. Yes they do. Don't they do? Doe
John Doe wouldn't doe it! :P
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Why is Ringo wearing a colander on his head?
Because Ringo was their commander?
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Why is Ringo wearing a colander on his head?
AZ, please tell me you've seen Help! If not, you must run to YouTube (or wherever) and view it. I think it's still posted there.
However, if you have seen Help! and are wondering about the colander, that becomes trickier to answer. Help! was a highly scientific movie (ahead of its time, actually) and presented the latest developments in modern technological advances-- relativity condensers, distillation of the essence of certain orchids, the works. Probably the colander was an early form of pyramid power; an updated version of this scientific principle can be seen in the movie Signs.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/harihead/signshats.jpg)
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I simply love how off-topic we all go on every Georgie thread ... I love it!!! ;D Hilarious pic^, harihead! :D
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Thanks, Raxo! I'm sorry about drifting off like that--I'm very bad. *hangs head* I'll be out of town for several days starting tomorrow, so this forum will probably be saner for a while.
But as long as I'm here... ;)
I think it's important to follow-up on this colander business. To show a more complete evolution, I'd like to include a pic of Eric Idle modeling the intermediate version, fashionable in the mid-to-late seventies:
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/harihead/erichat.jpg)
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Thanks, Raxo! I'm sorry about drifting off like that--I'm very bad. *hangs head* I'll be out of town for several days starting tomorrow, so this forum will probably be saner for a while.
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Hope you're enjoying your days off ... off town! ;) We'll be waiting for you here! :) [size=9](saner? I'll be here, y'know!LOL!)[/size]
Great pic of Eric Idle, thanks, harihead! :) ... it reminds me of the Guys in Sydney! ;D
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3311/beatlessydneyvc5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
I'm not as good as you doing this! :B
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[size=9](saner? I'll be here, y'know!LOL!)[/size]
Well, I did say saner, not sane! ;D
Interesting and terrifying shot of the boys in Sydney. Notice the primitive size of these pyramid-power enhancers. It reminds me of the first computers that used to fill a whole room! Ringo was actually too terrified to participate; he faked an illness so they had to provide a stunt double. Those were dangerous days!
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White Album
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Abbey Road, with the White Album a close 2nd if only Piggies wasn't on there...
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relativity condensers
So sorry, this is off-topic but I'll be quick:
.... My goodness, so that's what he said! K_E and I always thought he said "relativity cadenza"...!!
I thought it was a word he made up! :D :B
Thanks for clarifying this one out, harihead :)
OK, I'm done, back to the topic ;D
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So sorry, this is off-topic but I'll be quick:
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OK, I'm done, back to the topic ;D
Why if we love going off-topic so often?! ;)
Well, I did say saner, not sane! ;D[...]
TOUCHE!!! (tongue3) ;D
[...]Those were dangerous days!
... dangerUS days, yep!(afraid2)
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white album
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I'd say it has to be Abbey Road.
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white album
But have you voted, matthew? ;)
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Hop! I voted Abbey Road - "Here Comes the Sun" is one of my favourite Beatles songs ever, and "Something" is very good too.
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i voted for revolver because this is a "george-album" to me.... i can't really say why, maybe because it starts with taxman and has "love to you" one of my favourite songs. it's like with help... help is a "john-album" ^^ oh... and rubber soul is very paulie to me.
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I think George is at is best on The White Album, I love Piggies and long long long :)
DaveRam
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I think George is at is best on The White Album, I love Piggies and long long long :)
DaveRam
YEAH! Such a great song Long Long Long is!!! God!!!
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Easily Abbey Road = his best two Beatles songs IMHO.
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something and here comes the sun are about the only ones that really matter in the catalog.
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blue jay way all the way :P
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'Abbey Road' is my choice (though far from my fave group effort). Those two tracks alone make it for me.
:)
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Abbey Road
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My guess is that Abbey Road is the fav of George songs! & i have to agree! :) :D
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"I Me Mine" was always my favourite George song, so I vote Let It Be.
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Revolver because I've always been obsessed with Love You To. Let It Be takes second place.
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Revolver because I've always been obsessed with Love You To.
Soul brother! *high fives you*
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Revolver for me :)
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my personal favorite George songs are the ones with Indian session musicans: Within You Without You, The Inner Light, and Love You To. I mean really.....where do you EVER hear sh*t like this on rock albums? only the Beatles
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I'm sure nobody is surprised that I'm the sole voter for "Help!"
Why, you ask. Why, when George has been the only Beatle to introduce Indian music to a lot of future albums. My issue - well, its not really an issue, but I don't think George (or any of the Beatles) had anything to do with the music of the indian songs on the albums that came after "Help!" And when I say they didn't have anything to do with the music, I mean they didn't play any of the instruments.
But that's not what this is all about. This is about why I voted for "Help!" Okay, I'm very impressed with "You Like Me Too Much." Its so Beatles to me, a group effort, but mainly a George effort. That interesting piano work, it sounds like two guys playing ala "Dueling Banjos," but I think it was George playing with his left hand on one kind of keyboard, and his right hand playing on another! That's truly outstanding, you ask me!
I've never been able to find out intricate information about the making of "You Like Me Too Much" - I think that has a lot to do with it being a George-Song. George Martin, the engineers, and the other Beatles themselves could have cared less about George's songs, and that was that. Maybe documentation does exist, but it would have to have been in a George biography.
I digress, I'm afraid. Anyway...ahem...I'm impressed with "You Like Me Too Much" because its a true musical achievement.
As for "I Need You"...well, its an okay song.
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I think Abbey Road because those songs are timeless and to me give a sense of what he was all about
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anyone who do not chose abbey road can't be a real beatle fan
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anyone who do not chose abbey road can't be a real beatle fan
Everyone has different 'favourite' songs, and different 'favourite' albums. It's not the best way to introduce yourself by coming on here and accusing people of not being a real Beatles fan if they don't choose Abbey Road.
Why don't you give us your reasons for choosing Abbey Road?
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i voted for the white album because i love the song 'long long long'
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I actually did vote for Abbey Road. I think it contains George's best Beatles song - Something. And it's the only album where I like all of George's contributions.
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Thought I'd already voted in this one...oh, well. Definitely Abbey Road. But the White Album would certainly go up a notch or two if George had managed to get proper versions of one or both of Sour Milk Sea or Not Guilty on it instead of Piggies. Not Guilty would have had to have been re-recorded, and I'm not sure that George could have really sung Sour Milk Sea (the Lomax version of the song with his guide or backing vocal pushed to the forefront on PC's White Album set is hardly encouraging), but those considerations aside, it's a nice little what if.
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The White album - just love Long Long Long .
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Thought I'd already voted in this one...oh, well. Definitely Abbey Road. But the White Album would certainly go up a notch or two if George had managed to get proper versions of one or both of Sour Milk Sea or Not Guilty on it instead of Piggies. Not Guilty would have had to have been re-recorded, and I'm not sure that George could have really sung Sour Milk Sea (the Lomax version of the song with his guide or backing vocal pushed to the forefront on PC's White Album set is hardly encouraging), but those considerations aside, it's a nice little what if.
I'll never understand why they persevered with Not Guilty for so long. 100 takes, more than any other Beatles song, and still they couldn't get it right. I think it just goes to show that by that time George Martin had very little say in what they were doing. Any decent producer should have been able to say - this is crap, what else have you got. George's own version isn't that good either. It's just not a good song. In my opinion, of course!
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I'll never understand why they persevered with Not Guilty for so long. 100 takes, more than any other Beatles song, and still they couldn't get it right. I think it just goes to show that by that time George Martin had very little say in what they were doing. Any decent producer should have been able to say - this is crap, what else have you got. George's own version isn't that good either. It's just not a good song. In my opinion, of course!
Heh... I knew I was going to kicked for sticking up for that one. 8) But... I like it myself and I think it's mostly the arrangement that's gone wrong; all those shifts and changes in the song (I really do have to bone up on musical terminology) needed either a different approach or some serious editing, and it probably does say something about those sessions that George Martin didn't either say "give it up" or suggest a more workable approach. I think Chris Thomas was producer for some White Album sessions, but I can't remember if that was because Martin got fed up himself or because he simply had something else he had to do. But as it is, Not Guilty was deservedly left off the album. It just strikes me as being an interesting mess with possibilities.
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I think Chris Thomas was producer for some White Album sessions, but I can't remember if that was because Martin got fed up himself or because he simply had something else he had to do.
He went on vacation.
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He went on vacation.
He may have really wanted that vacation, too, after some of those sessions! :)
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Abbey Road - pretty easy choice for me. Although I love his contributions to Revolver & The White Album too.
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I had to go with help, because that was where I really got interested in what george was doing as a song writer. Those songs make me happy and can always change my mood. I think I am emotionally attached to them, as I am with every other beatle song ;-D
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anyone who do not chose abbey road can't be a real beatle fan
lol nice to meet you too :P
anyways my vote is for MMT or YS
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Well I didn't pick Abbey Road like most I see, I picked the White Album. Savoy Truffle is my favorite George song out of them all. And While My Guitar Gently Weeps is brilliant
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Savoy Truffle is my favorite George song out of them all. And While My Guitar Gently Weeps is brilliant
Have you heard "This Song" from George's solo career? You might enjoy it, as it's got a terrific horn arrangement (and sense of humor) like this one.
And WMGGW is totally brilliant. Have I welcomed you to the forums yet? I have no brain left. So welcome again, in case I did. Thanks for posting!
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Have you heard "This Song" from George's solo career? You might enjoy it, as it's got a terrific horn arrangement (and sense of humor) like this one.
And WMGGW is totally brilliant. Have I welcomed you to the forums yet? I have no brain left. So welcome again, in case I did. Thanks for posting!
I love This Song and I love the horn arrangement on it (part of why I love Savoy Truffle so much) especially the sax solo, which is what I play.
Oh and I don't think you've welcomed me yet, so thank you!
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I've always liked I Want To Tell You, the way the lead guitar comes in from out of nothingness.
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I got time..what an outro. :)
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I think the best is abbey road for all around great songs but me thinks revolver is the best rock oriented Harrison
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I really like "While My Guitar Gently....", but I have to go with Abbey Road. Something and Here Comes The Sun are both brilliant.
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Have actually found it too hard to vote! ;D
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I guess Abbey Road, but I love his songs on Rubber Soul and Revolver too. also It's All too Much and Only a Northern song is great too
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I go absolutely crazy for While My Guitar Gently Weeps. I ve been to London more than once, but during my last stay, which happened to be this January, i decided to visit the place i lived in when a child and not only just go there by taxi, take a look and- so long! - as i did once, but walk along the quiet lanes and not so quiet streets. I found myself filled with emotion, singing While My Guitar...the most beautiful song in the world! I still remember this wonderful feeling...
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WITHIN YOU WITHOUT YOU!!!!!!!
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Within You Without You is my fav lyric George wrote in the Beatles!! :)
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White Album for me. I love Long, Long, Long and WMGGW.
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i love i me mine and while my guitar gently weeps. on each album he has great songs. it is a little hard for me to choose a album
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Abbey Road of course