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Title: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on February 24, 2006, 12:20:41 AM
i was watching this dvd and see that alan williams don't think too highly of paully....also its great to see tony relish in relating his veiws on the songs and the era...he was the biggest thing over there in germany at the time too but peter eckhorn was no colonel parker...because tony rocked and rolled better than a boatload of them....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on February 26, 2006, 03:29:33 PM
i wrote to tonys email addy about posting his videos on my podcast...i recieved an answer......
Hi PC31,
 
thanks for your message.
It is always good to learn that there are a lot of fans all over the place who love Tony
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: raxo on February 26, 2006, 03:39:29 PM
 :o :o AWESOME!!!  :o :o

So I was wrong ... It was in Germany, after all ...

Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: raxo on February 26, 2006, 03:53:53 PM
Quote from: pc31
......so i am gonna keep them on there and mail him a copy...

Well done!  :)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on February 27, 2006, 08:30:13 AM
Great pc.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on March 02, 2006, 11:35:30 AM
i would like to think so.....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on March 02, 2006, 03:21:33 PM
Tony is getting older too.... (http://www.lisa-und-georg.de/mediac/400_0/media/Tony~Sheridan.jpg)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on March 03, 2006, 01:13:48 AM
i guess he stayed in germany after the beatles left nd he has steadily recorded from then till even now...he would make a great all starr...as would roy young....so many people rock tho....i guess you gotta live the life to love it....he recently got married...to a woman named anna...boy would john be proud...
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on March 03, 2006, 09:15:59 AM
I have a video of him in this age, where he's playbacking My Bonnie.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on March 04, 2006, 10:53:00 PM
i saw a video some where he was doing bonie maronie....at this age....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: The End on March 05, 2006, 10:45:44 PM
Tony Sheridan is playing at this year's Beatle Convention in Liverpool - as well as Pete Best and the original Quarrymen! :)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on March 17, 2006, 11:14:29 AM
I've sent Tony the package with the dvd with this two footages. All I asked in return was an autographed 8x10 glossy picture -an idea from pc31-. Oh, and of course, I invited him to join this forums, if he ever considered joining a forum at all.  ;D
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on March 18, 2006, 11:31:58 AM
you have got to be one of the most outstanding individuals on this forum....thank you bobster...you asked for one for you too?
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on March 18, 2006, 07:05:11 PM
O, it's nothing pc. You mean if I asked for one for you too? lol
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 21, 2006, 07:20:02 AM
i found out where the tony vids came from bobster....http://www.tv.com/episode/372708/summary.html
he is listed on ready steady go too....wonder what he sang??http://www.tv.com/ready-steady-go!/the-bachelors-the-searchers-tony-sheridan-phil-spector/episode/308974/summary.html
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 21, 2006, 07:25:41 AM
The act was a phenomena without equal at the time. The Beatles drew 52,000 to Melbourne's Festival Hall, The Aztecs drew 63,000 to the Myer Music Bowl. They toured to sold-out houses in every town and collected an armfull of gold records. Screaming Lord Sutch and Tony Sheridan chose them to support their downunder tours. Overseas tours were in the offering, and Ed Sullivan wanted them on his show in New York. http://home.comcast.net/~thorpie/happen.html
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 21, 2006, 07:28:49 AM
he 'Blue Caps' are heading for Chippenham! Yes in October, three members of Gene Vincent's 1957 Blue Caps - Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell and Johnny Meeks, will headline the 5th Eddie Cochran Festival in an exclusive UK concert on Saturday, October 2nd at the Olympiad Leisure Centre Chippenham. Legendary guitarist Albert Lee will be joining them filling in for Paul Peake.

The theme of this year's festivale will be to pay tribute to both Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent, very close friends, who had toured together all over the world in the late 50's. It was in 1960, when Eddie and Gene were touring the UK together, that the fateful accident occurred at Rowden hill on April 17th.

Appearing with The Blue Caps will be guest artist Bobby Cochran, who will be here for his 3rd festival backed by three of the UK's top recording and session musicians, and special guest Marco Di Maggio, who is flying in direct from Florence Italy with the Di Maggio Brothers for an exclusive performance. Brian Hodgson, former member of Matchbox and currently with Albert Lee's band Hogans Heroes, will join the Blue Caps on stage as Guest Bass Guitarist.

Other artists include Tony Sheridan Jr., The Moonshine Boys, The Wanderers, Rhythmbound, Holly Dayz, The Sugar Bullets and top DJ Wildcat Pete.

Mike Berry will return to the festival to headline the Friday night gig with his band The Outlaws, supported by the fantastic Dee and her Heartbeats, plus Chippenham DJ Richard Marsh (Fans of TV's 'Are You Being Served' may remember Mike Berry as 'Mr. Spooner' and as 'Mr. Peters' in 'Worel Gummidge').

Mike is much in demand on the Rock-n-Roll circuit and is a regular performer at the annual Buddy Holly Birthday tribute organized by (Sir) Paul McCartney. At last year's festival, Mike did a fantastic job when asked to join The Crickets for the show due to Sonny Curtis being unable to travel to Chippenham.

 tony has a jr??????
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 21, 2006, 07:40:27 AM
http://www.forces.org/writers/james/files/olof.htm
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 21, 2006, 07:46:58 AM
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1178
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 21, 2006, 07:55:49 AM
oh well thats all i can dig out right now....bobber expose some info the box is on the way...7 to 10 working days they said....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on May 21, 2006, 01:40:28 PM
Great reads here pc, thanx. Looking forward to the box!
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 21, 2006, 01:54:04 PM
not as much as me looking foward to you getting it....i hope they don't break anything on the way.....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 29, 2006, 05:25:49 PM
http://www.rock-photos.com/4595/index.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on May 30, 2006, 09:11:14 AM
^ A pity those pictures are copyrighted.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 30, 2006, 10:27:40 AM
yeah ditto....i wonder if ours are????????they are ours after all...so could we copyright said pics???iam just kidding....i couldn't do that to tony.....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on May 30, 2006, 10:51:59 AM
On the back it only says that the picture is taken by Anna O'Sheridan-MacGinnity. Original prints by the way. I will find a box and put it in for ya.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 30, 2006, 10:59:28 AM
his last name was cool .......i wonder why he changed it???
well i'm off to work...don't take terds advice,he is on a downward spiral....i hope the box comes soon....yours i mean...mines in the bag....peace on buddy....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on May 30, 2006, 11:06:35 AM
Quote from: pc31
i hope the box comes soon

I got a phonecall from home that a big box arrived today.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on May 30, 2006, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: pc31
his last name was cool .......i wonder why he changed it???

He probably thought it was too long. Maybe he and his family just used the name 'Sheridan'.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on May 31, 2006, 01:08:59 AM
Quote from: Bobber

I got a phonecall from home that a big box arrived today.
good deal man!!!!!!

Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on June 21, 2006, 02:25:19 PM
A footage of a young Tony Sheridan, performing I Like Love. HERE (http://bobbr.podomatic.com)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on June 22, 2006, 10:50:49 AM
i will look after workinghiemer
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: on June 22, 2006, 03:16:03 PM
Happy Anniversary Tony.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on June 24, 2006, 10:03:37 AM
i could not see the video...i uploaded it twice too....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on June 24, 2006, 01:10:58 PM
^I noticed the same. I'll upload it again on Monday.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on June 26, 2006, 10:16:12 AM
It's renewed. Hope it works now.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: tkitna on June 28, 2006, 02:15:44 PM
i am at todds computer.....i didn't get it b4 i left but will when i get back.....
pc31
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: An Apple Beatle on June 28, 2006, 03:17:27 PM
have a top time together you guys!!!
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: tkitna on June 28, 2006, 03:49:51 PM
thanks buddy...i hope you and the kids are fine..congrats on the show...some day you gotta come see america buddy...b4 they blow it up...is our album done yet????
you know i ain't picky son....get 'er done....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on June 28, 2006, 08:56:55 PM
Pc's bringing up tk's posts here. Somehow the Tony vid is not working again... I will convert it into another videotype and try again. Have fun. And cards! I'm getting a nice little box together...
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on July 03, 2006, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: Bobber
A footage of a young Tony Sheridan, performing I Like Love. HERE ([url]http://bobbr.podomatic.com[/url])


Tony asked if I can burn this one as well. He and Anna are very interested in old video's of Tony. Anyone got anything else?
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: The End on July 04, 2006, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: An_Apple_Beatle
have a top time together you guys!!!

Did I miss something?!
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on July 04, 2006, 06:05:56 PM
Pc is visiting Tk.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on July 04, 2006, 10:26:45 PM
now i am in nashville....after i left tk's i went to the poconos in pennsylvannia....my wife 75 year old grandmother was getting married....i stayed with todd and his wife a few days...great people...today is the 4th...and seems to be a hollerday...so i gotta go now...but i'll rattle you later...
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: The End on July 07, 2006, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: Bobber
Pc is visiting Tk.

Blimey - I didn't know that!! Where the hell have I been? (apart from Egypt!) ;D
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on July 07, 2006, 01:41:10 PM
you are geezering....(http://www.sunstudio.com/sunestore/images/lrichard&beatlesposter284.jpg)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Tamara on July 26, 2006, 09:55:37 AM
I know Tony met The Beatles in Hamburg. But how did Tony Sheridan get in Hamburg?
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on July 27, 2006, 10:28:41 AM
he was in a band called the jets.......the first band from 'pool to be sent to germany...
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on July 27, 2006, 10:34:12 AM
read this......
http://www.bootlegzone.com/beatleg/thejets.html
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on July 28, 2006, 06:54:04 AM
^That's a nice link you got there Tony. We might as well use it.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on July 30, 2006, 02:08:35 AM
agreed...we gotta save fodder tho....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: raxo on December 28, 2006, 07:40:55 PM
(http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.03.27%2007.02%20top%20ten/04%20Tony%20Sheridan/3.jpg)
Tony Sheridan on the right (1961, The Top Ten Club)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on April 06, 2007, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: 284
i wrote to tonys email addy about posting his videos on my podcast...i recieved an answer......
Hi PC31,
 
thanks for your message.
It is always good to learn that there are a lot of fans all over the place who love Tony
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on May 16, 2007, 08:57:20 AM
This might be interesting: http://www.tv.com/tony-sheridan/person/269680/appearances.html


Mmm, I just could find the exact data for Tony's tv appearances on Ready Steady Go and Beat Beat Beat. Plus that he played Shake It and Just You And Me on the latter. But we already knew that.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on November 28, 2009, 03:35:44 PM
i've made contact with tony sheridan jr
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Post by: pc31 on December 10, 2009, 11:08:23 AM
i talk to t j yesterday on phone meeting him in a few days....thanks 4 the support.... ha2ha
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: An Apple Beatle on December 10, 2009, 11:26:15 AM
 ;D You wanna medal!? heheh Good luck with the meeting. I know how much your into the man. Did try and get in chat the other night when you shouted but no-one was about.....Soon amigo. Hope alls good. :)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on December 10, 2009, 11:43:11 AM
Ah! Discussing a certain biography eh? Good luck!
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Post by: pc31 on December 12, 2009, 08:46:44 PM
jr is writing his own with the same title.....
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Post by: tkitna on December 13, 2009, 01:19:23 AM
(http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.03.27%2007.02%20top%20ten/04%20Tony%20Sheridan/3.jpg)

Marshall, who would be the guitar player on the very left in this photo?
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 13, 2009, 01:42:38 AM

([url]http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.03.27%2007.02%20top%20ten/04%20Tony%20Sheridan/3.jpg[/url])

Marshall, who would be the guitar player on the very left in this photo?


Todd, I think it's Stu Sutcliffe.  Here are some other photos taken at that gig (The Top Ten Club 1961)

(http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.03.27%2007.02%20top%20ten/04%20Tony%20Sheridan/1.jpg)

(http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.03.27%2007.02%20top%20ten/04%20Tony%20Sheridan/2.jpg)




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Post by: pc31 on December 13, 2009, 02:05:23 AM
yeah it's stuie.....
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Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 13, 2009, 02:14:14 AM
I thought so.  How are things going Marshall?
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 13, 2009, 10:49:11 PM
same old same old still missing her.....i still see her regularly but she moved farther away yesterday....i mjss the kids....i hate being single.....Black Sabbath Live 1970 Paranoid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b89KG9zDpNU&feature=related#normal)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: tkitna on December 14, 2009, 01:56:07 AM
Todd, I think it's Stu Sutcliffe.  Here are some other photos taken at that gig (The Top Ten Club 1961)

Thanks HG. I thought Stu, but it didnt look like a bass to me at first.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on December 14, 2009, 08:33:16 AM
Todd, I think it's Stu Sutcliffe.  Here are some other photos taken at that gig (The Top Ten Club 1961)

([url]http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.03.27%2007.02%20top%20ten/04%20Tony%20Sheridan/1.jpg[/url])


But is drummer really Pete? He looks different. Could be the drummer of Tony's band maybe?
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Post by: An Apple Beatle on December 16, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
All sitting down like that, it looks like a long night of playing. Think your probably right about the drummer.

Keep that chin up Marshall. It's all adjustment and how you respond. :)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on December 16, 2009, 03:43:10 PM
All sitting down like that, it looks like a long night of playing. Think your probably right about the drummer.

I will have a look in Eric Krasker's book and make a comparison.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on December 19, 2009, 12:33:10 PM
Well, these photos were taken at the Top Ten at the spring of 1961. Very interesting shots, showing Tony Sheridan, John, George, Stuart, and Paul sitting at the piano (probably making one of his numerous impersonations of Little Richard!).

The drummer is undoubtedly and indisputably Pete Best (on every photo you can see here). It is true that they sometimes used to play with other musicians (and so drummers), but there is no possible confusion here with another drummer, anyway.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on December 20, 2009, 02:40:15 PM
The drummer is undoubtedly and indisputably Pete Best (on every photo you can see here). It is true that they sometimes used to play with other musicians (and so drummers), but there is no possible confusion here with another drummer, anyway.

Probably moody. lol
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 20, 2009, 03:17:18 PM
it looks like he was going to yawn.....
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Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on December 20, 2009, 03:29:44 PM
Probably moody. lol

Yes! Remember Paul: "He was mean, moody and magnificent... Pete Best". lol
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 20, 2009, 03:47:09 PM
i hear some people in the business from back then still dislike randolph.....i personal know this from a few people.
i will not name names but a few still preform....pete had and still has an attitude they say...but fans that have met him say different....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on December 25, 2009, 06:08:42 PM
As demonstrated in my book, his drumming was inadequate for studio recordings, anyway. If Pete had been an excellent drummer and had met the approval of George Martin, that would have been much more complicated for the Beatles to get rid of him.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 26, 2009, 03:09:48 PM
he was too strong a persona for john and paul to govern.....they needed someone in the back seat not the side car...pete did not seem to me like he was ready to topple the world tho....it seemed he had less enthusiasm than the others....he should have tried over achieving....alot of the bands lacked that....not john and paul tho,to the toppermost of the poppermost....that kind of dedication may make you a bastard tho..not in the fatherless sense either....
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Post by: Jane on December 26, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
From everything I`ve read I believe it was Paul who was mainly against Pete. Then George, who liked Ringo. And John was rather indifferent.
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Post by: alexis on December 27, 2009, 12:13:43 AM
From everything I`ve read I believe it was Paul who was mainly against Pete. Then George, who liked Ringo. And John was rather indifferent.

Yes, I think I read that too (so it must be true, right  ha2ha ha2ha ). Pete was apparently the only one between Paul and "cutest boy in the band". Backstabbin' little scouser!
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Post by: alexis on December 27, 2009, 12:15:26 AM
i hear some people in the business from back then still dislike randolph.....i personal know this from a few people.
i will not name names but a few still preform....pete had and still has an attitude they say..
.but fans that have met him say different....

pc - you can't post that and leave it at that if one of your fellow forum fools calls you out on it ... do tell more, please!
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 27, 2009, 05:21:29 PM
i can't name names......ask in a pm...and i'll tell you....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Jane on December 27, 2009, 10:00:24 PM
Pete was apparently the only one between Paul and "cutest boy in the band".

Exactly my thoughts   :-X  And Paul`s father was very much against Pete... Not only my thoughts but facts.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: alexis on December 27, 2009, 10:48:41 PM
Exactly my thoughts   :-X  And Paul`s father was very much against Pete... Not only my thoughts but facts.

Jane, did your source say why Paul's father felt this way?
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Jane on December 28, 2009, 09:38:02 PM
It was because Pete attracted everybody`s attention and was the most popular of the 4 guys. Bill Harry mentions this fact in one of his interviews, he says that definitely and undoubtedly Pete was the most popular of the 4.
After one performance attended by Paul`s father the guys left the stage and were surrounded by the fans, mostly girls. However, the three were quickly set free and could go home, but Pete was beset by a much larger number of fans and had to stay with them long. Paul`s father, who saw it all,  didn`t like it, and later approached Pete to reproach him about it and to tell him that it was unfair. The reason he was against Pete was that he was jealous.
This is one thing written in books and I am sure I`ve read about it more.
Maybe, now it is my suggestion, Pete and Paul were on one wave, singing mostly songs about love at that time, and were kind of rivals? I will look up the facts in the books.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 29, 2009, 04:40:50 AM
Tony Sheridan, Father and Son p1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EruiXrilnDc#normal)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 29, 2009, 04:42:18 AM
Tony Sheridan Junior, son (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVxlR0mD47s&feature=channel#normal)
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 29, 2009, 04:53:03 AM
check 'em boys......nobodys child is on part 2.....
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 29, 2009, 04:58:30 AM
go youtube it yerself...... ;D
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Post by: Bobber on December 29, 2009, 09:05:19 AM
It was because Pete attracted everybody`s attention and was the most popular of the 4 guys. Bill Harry mentions this fact in one of his interviews, he says that definitely and undoubtedly Pete was the most popular of the 4.
After one performance attended by Paul`s father the guys left the stage and were surrounded by the fans, mostly girls. However, the three were quickly set free and could go home, but Pete was beset by a much larger number of fans and had to stay with them long. Paul`s father, who saw it all,  didn`t like it, and later approached Pete to reproach him about it and to tell him that it was unfair. The reason he was against Pete was that he was jealous.
This is one thing written in books and I am sure I`ve read about it more.
Maybe, now it is my suggestion, Pete and Paul were on one wave, singing mostly songs about love at that time, and were kind of rivals? I will look up the facts in the books.

Problem is there's not much fact on this issue. Just 'feelings' and all that.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on December 29, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
go youtube it yerself...... ;D

I will. Pity it wasn't filmed professionally. Never mind.
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: pc31 on December 29, 2009, 11:04:28 AM
we tried didn't we??? ???
Title: Re: THE BEATLES AND TONY SHERIDAN
Post by: Bobber on December 29, 2009, 02:27:56 PM
we tried didn't we??? ???

True. Thanks for the effort. ha2ha
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Post by: zipp on December 29, 2009, 03:00:12 PM
Paul`s father, who saw it all,  didn`t like it, and later approached Pete to reproach him about it and to tell him that it was unfair. The reason he was against Pete was that he was jealous.
This is one thing written in books and I am sure I`ve read about it more.
Maybe, now it is my suggestion, Pete and Paul were on one wave, singing mostly songs about love at that time, and were kind of rivals? I will look up the facts in the books.

Be sure to let us know where you read this Jane.
I've often read that Pete was popular with the fans and that he was  not on the wavelength of the other members of the group..
But I've never read anywhere that Paul's father was interested in any way with the group. He wanted his son to get a proper job and stop the music as a professional. Paul did at one point go to work in a factory to please his dad.
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Post by: Jane on December 29, 2009, 09:21:53 PM
Be sure to let us know where you read this Jane.

I will! Give me some time!
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Post by: pc31 on January 02, 2010, 01:51:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/tabithasheridan#p/u/1/O4Yf8O9b4pY (http://www.youtube.com/user/tabithasheridan#p/u/1/O4Yf8O9b4pY)
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Post by: tkitna on January 05, 2010, 09:38:26 AM
The videos are cool as hell. Wish we could see Tony and Jr. a bit better, but oh well. I thought it was odd that they played to a track on the first video when Tony came out. The drummer wasnt playing at all.

Yeah Marshall, I think you should write that book. Autograph the one I buy. I'll buy more if i'm mentioned.  ;D
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Post by: Jane on January 06, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
I will! Give me some time!

One of the sources: Alan Clayson, Ringo Starr, chapter 4.
I am retelling a paragraph: Pete wasn`t allowed to sing when The Beatles played on the radio in Manchester for the first time, but when after it they gathered all together, Paul`s father attacked Pete for no reason at all, saying that all the time during the broadcast Pete had been trying to attract the attention of the audience. James McCartney wanted The Beatles to get rid of John Lennon, who had the audacity to call him by name and whose influence on the band was negative, which James had repeatedly told Paul. However James understood that John and Paul were the creative backbone of the band, young George kept a low profile, but Pete always stood apart. His face was always printed separately from the guys on the cover of the Mersey Beat and on posters, like - Pete Best is singing for you today!!! And when Bob Vooler (not sure of the spelling) asked the band for an ancor, he cried: and again for you John, Paul and...(a pause)...PETE!!!, at that moment the roar of the audience reached it`s limit. James didn`t like Pete.
I have read about James attacking Pete after the concert again, but I still have to look it up.
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Post by: zipp on January 07, 2010, 02:40:11 PM
Thanks Jane.
I don't know the book you've mentioned but I did find a reference to this sort of thing in the Bob Spitz book. Unfortunately the Spitz book is not renowned for being too reliable.
So we now have a Mona Best/Jim McCartney/Brian Epstein powership tangle.
And McCartney senior and Epstein won the day!
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Post by: Jane on January 07, 2010, 08:21:18 PM
It was because Pete attracted everybody`s attention and was the most popular of the 4 guys. Bill Harry mentions this fact in one of his interviews, he says that definitely and undoubtedly Pete was the most popular of the 4.
After one performance attended by Paul`s father the guys left the stage and were surrounded by the fans, mostly girls. However, the three were quickly set free and could go home, but Pete was beset by a much larger number of fans and had to stay with them long. Paul`s father, who saw it all,  didn`t like it, and later approached Pete to reproach him about it and to tell him that it was unfair. The reason he was against Pete was that he was jealous.
This is one thing written in books and I am sure I`ve read about it more.
Maybe, now it is my suggestion, Pete and Paul were on one wave, singing mostly songs about love at that time, and were kind of rivals? I will look up the facts in the books.

Alan Clayson, Paul McCartney, chapter 6:
An article in Merseybeat said that "when John, Paul and George came out onto the stage in Teenager`s Turn shouts and applause could be heard; however when Pete appeared the audience went hysteric. The girls shouted and screamed like crazy! He became popular in Manchester thanks to just only his special look (gaze)." After the show at the stage Pete was surrounded by a crowd of about 400 girls, whereas John, Paul and George gave several autographs and got into the car waiting for them. James McCartney witnessed this scene and reproached the "conceited" drummer: Why did you draw all the attention? Why didn`t you return the other guys? It was very egotistical on your part." And later when James met Pete at a concert in Cavern which was filmed for the serial Know the North on ITV, he shouted: Great, isn`t it? They are going to be on TV! Pete was hurt. But John, Paul, George and the new drummer Ringo playing Slow Down and Some Other Guy didn`t go on air at that time.

So it is not just feelings.
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Post by: alexis on January 08, 2010, 04:23:15 AM
Alan Clayson, Paul McCartney, chapter 6:
An article in Merseybeat said that "when John, Paul and George came out onto the stage in Teenager`s Turn shouts and applause could be heard; however when Pete appeared the audience went hysteric. The girls shouted and screamed like crazy! He became popular in Manchester thanks to just only his special look (gaze)." After the show at the stage Pete was surrounded by a crowd of about 400 girls, whereas John, Paul and George gave several autographs and got into the car waiting for them. James McCartney witnessed this scene and reproached the "conceited" drummer: Why did you draw all the attention? Why didn`t you return the other guys? It was very egotistical on your part." And later when James met Pete at a concert in Cavern which was filmed for the serial Know the North on ITV, he shouted: Great, isn`t it? They are going to be on TV! Pete was hurt. But John, Paul, George and the new drummer Ringo playing Slow Down and Some Other Guy didn`t go on air at that time.

So it is not just feelings.

Is this the Granada TV clip? I've seen the clip of them playing "Some Other Guy" (white shirts and sweaty, right, is that the one), but not "Slow Down". Has any one seen "Slow Down' from that Cavern Session?
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Post by: Bobber on January 08, 2010, 08:18:17 AM
No. Because Slow Down wasn't filmed.
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Post by: alexis on January 08, 2010, 06:48:23 PM
No. Because Slow Down wasn't filmed.

Well, that would explain it.

A few (?)s for you Bobber, or anyone else:

1) Is there a reference Do you have a reference for this, that only "Some Other Guy" was filmed?
2) Is the TV show referred to the "Granada TV" show that was filmed, or was there more than 1 TV spot filmed at the Cavern of the Beatles?
3) Do you think Paul or John is cuter?  (just kidding on this one!  ;D )
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Post by: Jane on January 08, 2010, 09:54:22 PM
I may try (though I am at a loss) to guess the answer to the last question: Pete?  :-X
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Post by: maywitch on January 28, 2010, 08:38:03 PM
I've always heard the Alan Clayson book is extremely unreliable.

I think the guys just didn't care for Pete because he didn't fit in with them - didn't have the same sense of humor, didn't really have the same way of spending his time, wasn't as driven, insisted on keeping his hairstyle and wasn't really that great of a drummer anyway. He was serviceable but not particularly creative.   When George Martin said he didn't want Pete, I think they were quite happy to replace him as he'd really only been given the job because they needed a drummer and drummers tended to be a bit harder to come by.  Frankly I think being "cute" was the least of their problems with Pete.  I think he was too "boring" for them.
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Post by: Bill Harry on January 29, 2010, 03:58:47 PM
Pete Best did not refuse to have the Beatles cut. Astrid Kirchherr said that she did not suggest that Pete have the style because his hair was too curly. Pete himself told me that he was never asked, but would have agreed if asked. Who are all these people who, in their books, state that Pete refused to have the hair style? I have seen a photo of Pete with the moptop - and it doesn't suit him! Also, Astrid only did Stuart's hair in that style. John and Paul had their hair style done by Jurgen Vollmer in Paris and Brian Epstein took them all to his hairdresser in Liverpool so all would have the same hair style - this is when Ringo joined and he had to get rid of the grey streak in his hair and his beard.
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Post by: larainefan on January 29, 2010, 04:58:24 PM
Didn't Astrid cut George's hair too, shortly after Stuart's?
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Post by: Bill Harry on January 29, 2010, 07:25:47 PM
Some sources say that, but other sources say that he didn't change his style until John  and Paul returned from Paris with the Jurgen Vollmer cut.
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Post by: larainefan on January 29, 2010, 08:07:21 PM
Thanks for responding, Mr Harry!
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Post by: Bill Harry on January 30, 2010, 11:18:14 AM
Just call me Bill. In Liverpool Brian Epstein arranged for the Beatles, by now John, Paul, George and Ringo to have the Beatles style cut by a barber at Horne Brothers, a store quite close to the Whitechapel branch of Nems. Photographer Dezo Hoffman took shots of the occasion. However, the name of the barber remains unknown.
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Post by: pc31 on February 02, 2010, 12:58:37 AM
didn't tony sheridan date astrid as well will?b4 stu?she may have cut tonys too....
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Post by: alexis on February 10, 2010, 07:16:13 PM
Pete Best did not refuse to have the Beatles cut. Astrid Kirchherr said that she did not suggest that Pete have the style because his hair was too curly. Pete himself told me that he was never asked, but would have agreed if asked. Who are all these people who, in their books, state that Pete refused to have the hair style? I have seen a photo of Pete with the moptop - and it doesn't suit him! Also, Astrid only did Stuart's hair in that style. John and Paul had their hair style done by Jurgen Vollmer in Paris and Brian Epstein took them all to his hairdresser in Liverpool so all would have the same hair style - this is when Ringo joined and he had to get rid of the grey streak in his hair and his beard.

Wow, Bill - does that mean that Ringo had artificial hair coloring during Beatlemania? I'm not sure that's a well known fact, though I suppose knowing he used to have a grey streak, it makes sense.
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Post by: cubanheel on February 10, 2010, 09:55:19 PM
He didn't get rid of it that well, it's visible in a lot of photos. Must have been hard for a young man back then?

didn't tony sheridan date astrid as well will?b4 stu?she may have cut tonys too....
Any info on that little gem???
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Post by: pc31 on February 12, 2010, 03:27:58 AM
hear say from a source....let's see if anythings surfaces....how about this tony played for the american troops in viet nam....he requested to be close as to the frontline as allowed...the troops made him an honorary captain i heard....he was even reported dead to family while over there....maybe a source closer to home will fuel our peaked interest.....any of the sheridans are invited....big T?T jr?
home work....why does tony wear red?
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Post by: Bobber on February 12, 2010, 09:56:12 AM

home work....why does tony wear red?

Because of Yes It Is?
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Post by: pc31 on February 12, 2010, 11:01:18 AM
no because of a prophet he adapted his spirituality from....stick with the script cor....
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Post by: Bobber on February 12, 2010, 02:44:19 PM
no because of a prophet he adapted his spirituality from....stick with the script cor....


I didn't read that far.