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Title: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Wayne L. on November 02, 2004, 12:58:05 PM
I heard this at the beginning of a local talk radio show a few months back I was listening to where the guy said " Paul McCartney sucks.....now. " cynically speaking meaning he's not as cool as he used to be or as influential as an artist as he was back in the 60's & even in the 70's which I agree with wholeheartedly as a fan.  Paul is one of the greatest singers, songwriters, musicians & performers of all time with few equals during his Beatles days & as a solo artist but for over 20 years now especially he has had more ups & downs with more mediocre albums going through the motions as a former Beatle & music legend which is what this local radio talk host was getting at.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on November 02, 2004, 01:12:28 PM
Would be hard not to agree really.  It's strange. I mean there is nothing for him to prove but it is what he loves.
He is a performer and therefore must feel the need to perform. I personally have struggled to get into much of his solo stuff even though he is probably my most influential role model in music.

Just so much to shake off after being a Beatle. Although it was well documented that 'Your Gonna Carry That Weight' on Abbey Rd. is a prophecy of that. Maybe he thought he could have shaken it off by now, back then though. lol

I think his further experiments with The Frog chorus theme is a great idea for him at his time of life. I never really heard his Orchestral album yet. I intend too although it had a bit of a subdued reception here in England.

Saying that, seeing him last year In London at Earls Court was amazing. Fair play to him for not giving into playing all those Beatles songs a lot sooner! At least in doing his own music post-Beatle he helped keep them sacred. Many tough choices for a man in his position.

He is the man but will have to agree. Apologies to all devout solo Macca fans but the last 20 yrs do seem lamer in comparison.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: The End on November 02, 2004, 01:14:30 PM
I don't think anyone could ever say Paul sucks now - he is still producing music which although doesn't always hit the mark, is still always listenable.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on November 02, 2004, 01:20:32 PM
I agree, would never, ever say he sucks now. Plus this is my 200th post and needed to get it out. lol
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: on November 02, 2004, 03:27:29 PM
No, Paul rarely 'sucked'.  He may not have been working to his former potential but the man is a consummate pro musician.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Indica on November 02, 2004, 07:25:54 PM
Firstly, I cant see past the slightly foolish word 'suck' which irratates me more than it should.
 It would be insanse to think Mccartney could ever rise above the 'revolution' that he and fellow colleagues set all those years ago.
Saying Mccartney isnt as cool, really does show the lack of understanding. How can the man not be as cool? it is the same man as the Beatles etc... maybe becasue he has a few more wrinkles..and dresses in more 'average' attire...but this does not transform mind-sets..skill...creativity..etc
I agree, his music is no where near as good, but to expect it would be, is plain silly.
His voice isnt as good..but thats natural...he is getting on you know :)

For me, Paul Mccartney got me into music, made me pick an instrument up, moulded my fashion in a way etc etc. I dont like using Idol*..but Mccartney is my main inspiration for getting me into Music.
I will always respect him as the Greatest Musician* a tag which could be easily backed up :)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Runforyourlife on November 02, 2004, 09:15:39 PM
 I think "suck" is sort of a harsh word to use. No offense to you Wayne.

 Personally, I don't think it matters. Paul has created some beautiful, timeless classics. He plays the bass like a mother, puts on great concerts, and still enjoys what he does- if some radio DJ thinks he sucks so be it. With the acclaim comes the pitfalls, and that happens to everyone eventually I believe.

 I think "suck" is a harsh word, as I said. I don't care for a lot of his solo work. I bought his last album devotedly, because I always get his new stuff. I dislike it immensely. At first I was like, "Oh its just a slow album...takes time to grow into..." Now I think everything just plods along on it, but still...that's me. I like a bunch of his solo songs, but none of his albums all the way through.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on November 03, 2004, 12:19:25 AM
Raise your hand if you think this question sucks!

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Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Sondra on November 03, 2004, 02:22:41 AM
Only Paul would get this kind of criticism. The dudes in his 60's for god's sake. He's still performing like he's twenty and touching people with his music. So he's not writing #1 songs anymore. So what. He had a pretty good run for 20 years. I like some of his new stuff. It's still very Paul.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bruno on November 03, 2004, 02:39:15 AM
[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1099400285,s=7 date=1099441165]Raise your hand if you think this question sucks!

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lmao, good one tk
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: SgtSkelter on November 03, 2004, 03:30:58 AM
I haven't read everything up there, because i want to say this before i forget it :-)

I just bought Paul's Back In The US cd that came out in 2002... it was amazing... his vocals are still extremely outstanding, especially compared to today's standard of screaming... Anyway, due to my satisfaction with the cd, I bought the DVD counterpart... It was amazing, as well... he still has all the charisma from the Beatles years, and even though he's as rich as he ever needs to be, he was still as compassionate about his business and his music onstage...

I think Paul McCartney is really the best rock musician still alive right now. He most definately does not suck.

:-)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: number14 on November 03, 2004, 03:33:23 AM
No of course not
 paul will probably never suck
and he never has
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: on November 03, 2004, 04:56:13 AM
[quote by=tkitna link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1099400285,s=7 date=1099441165]Raise your hand if you think this question sucks!

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Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Lucy In The Sky on November 03, 2004, 09:32:41 AM
I don't think he is worse or better.

The beatles are the beatles because their was ALL of them where as now he is a solo artist, their is a big difference between being in a band being a solo artist.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: jeanie on November 03, 2004, 07:26:26 PM
Paul will never suck..why would he? He's one of the Beatles and the Beatles don't suck..it's ridiculous for someone to say that he sucks..that DJ was probably high..I'd like to see some stupid radio host write so many albums and perform in front of sold out audiences in his 60's! And even if his music isn't as good as it used to be, gee, I still gotta buy all his solo albums enyways, and all the other Beatles too...I mean you gotta have it even if you don't like it cos it's just how true fans are!!!
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Joost on November 03, 2004, 08:40:56 PM
[quote by=Wayne_L. link=Blah.pl?b=mccartney,m=1099400285,s=0 date=1099400285]cynically speaking meaning he's not as cool as he used to be or as influential as an artist as he was back in the 60's & even in the 70's which I agree with wholeheartedly as a fan.[/quote]

Name one musician that has made nothing but brilliant and inspiring work for 40 years in a row...
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: on November 04, 2004, 04:14:23 PM
Welllll...Wayne is right about one thing: Paul isn't influencing any new musicians (that we know of), he is a legacy performer.  And what a legacy!

As to whether he's as cool...well, to me he still is but I think I know what Wayne means here as well...all being a part of the youth movement with the attendant drug sunculture we all felt ultra-cool.  Now everyone's married with kids, divorced, remarried, unemployed, yada yada.  NONE of us are very cool anymore, unfortunately.  Especialy to our kids!
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Sondra on November 05, 2004, 02:47:25 AM
I think the Beatles influence a lot of new musicians. Which of course includes Paul. I swear I hear little things here and there from these new bands that sound Beatleish. All the old 60's bands are influential to these new people. They all wanna be as big and important as their 'ancestors' were. But that ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: SgtSkelter on November 05, 2004, 06:21:48 AM
The first two lines of the chorus to TLC's "Waterfall" sound awefully familiar to me... They almost completely copied Paul's "Waterfall"...

TLC: "Don't go chasing waterfalls / Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to"

Paul: "Don't go jumping waterfalls / Please keep to the lake"

They aren't exact matches, but I'd say that TLC got their inspiration from Paul's tune. And I'm sure there are millions of other ways that artists today show their inspiration from Paul and the Beatles...
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Wayne L. on November 05, 2004, 05:20:33 PM
I know Paul has made some great music for over 20 years now but it's not exactly similiar to his influential days in the Beatles like Abbey Road or his popular mainstream days with Wings as in Band On The Run Biscuit Power.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: maccafan on December 28, 2018, 07:45:19 AM
Anyone, and I do mean anyone saying that Paul McCartney sucks is absolutely DELUSIONAL!

This man has been producing fantastic music since he started!  No not every single note is Earth Shattering, but the VAST MAJORITY is some of the best music in pop music history!

Paul McCartney sucks?!  Yeah right, and I have some land on the moon for sale!

Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: blmeanie on December 28, 2018, 11:44:47 AM
You resurrected this thread from 14 years ago, bless you.  I agree, Mr. McCartney never truly deserved this question.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on December 29, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
Many musicians' best stuff seems to be when they're just starting out and very young.

People like the Beatles are "destined" to be worshiped forever no matter what they do down the road.

For example, people still worship John despite Revolution 9, Yoko's screaming on his early solo records, and his later politically themed protest/cynical song lyrics.  Consider how many fans there must be who could not possibly relate to "God" or "Imagine."  Yet it was strange how my fundamentalist religious mother always sang along to "Imagine" if she heard it on the radio.  Did she actually hear the lyrics?  I never asked her about it.  She also thought it was a very beautiful song.

Ringo is still adored by fans even though his solo output is probably not highly valued.  Who buys his records?

Whatever - don't anyone dare to criticize Paul!  That's a big no-no for this God-like legend in the music world.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 29, 2018, 09:20:20 PM

Yet it was strange how my fundamentalist religious mother always sang along to "Imagine" if she heard it on the radio.  Did she actually hear the lyrics?  I never asked her about it.  She also thought it was a very beautiful song.



Judging by how John and Yoko bought a separate apartment just for their coats and shoes, I’m not sure they listened to the lyrics either.  ;)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on December 29, 2018, 10:15:18 PM
Ha ha!  ha2ha That's a very good observation, Moog!
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 29, 2018, 11:35:40 PM
Judging by how John and Yoko bought a separate apartment just for their coats and shoes, I’m not sure they listened to the lyrics either.  ;)

Yes Im always gobsmacked how John could sit in his stately mansion with his own recording studio on 90 acres with a Rolls Royce in the garage and a full time chauffeur housed in the gatehouse and sing 'Imagine no possessions'  ;D
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 29, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
Yes Im always gobsmacked how John could sit in his stately mansion with his own recording studio on 90 acres with a Rolls Royce in the garage and a full time chauffeur housed in the gatehouse and sing 'Imagine no possessions'  ;D

I forgot who but someone actually asked him that. “It’s just a song” was reportedly his reply 
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 30, 2018, 12:50:11 AM
Many musicians' best stuff seems to be when they're just starting out and very young.

People like the Beatles are "destined" to be worshiped forever no matter what they do down the road.

For example, people still worship John despite Revolution 9, Yoko's screaming on his early solo records, and his later politically themed protest/cynical song lyrics.  Consider how many fans there must be who could not possibly relate to "God" or "Imagine."  Yet it was strange how my fundamentalist religious mother always sang along to "Imagine" if she heard it on the radio.  Did she actually hear the lyrics?  I never asked her about it.  She also thought it was a very beautiful song.

Ringo is still adored by fans even though his solo output is probably not highly valued.  Who buys his records?

Whatever - don't anyone dare to criticize Paul!  That's a big no-no for this God-like legend in the music world.

Yes its funny how all my favourite songwriters wrote nothing of real worth after around mid 30's
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on December 30, 2018, 02:22:50 PM
Ringo is still adored by fans even though his solo output is probably not highly valued.  Who buys his records?

I do
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on December 30, 2018, 05:41:09 PM
Me too!  That makes two of us, tkitna.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bobber on January 07, 2019, 09:26:54 AM
I forgot who but someone actually asked him that. “It’s just a song” was reportedly his reply

This:

Some visitors were struck by the contrast between his millionaire lifestyle and the sentiments of his most famous song. Elton John was astounded to discover that Yoko had a specially refrigerated room just for her fur coats.

In 1980, to mark Lennon's 40th birthday, Elton sent him a little verse: 'Imagine six apartments / It isn't hard to do / One is full of fur coats / The other's full of shoes.'

An older friend, the Beatles' former personal assistant Neil Aspinall, once heard Lennon moaning about the costs of running his business empire. 'Imagine no possessions, John,' Aspinall said. Lennon glared back. 'It's only a bloody song,' he said.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on January 07, 2019, 09:35:38 AM
This:

Some visitors were struck by the contrast between his millionaire lifestyle and the sentiments of his most famous song. Elton John was astounded to discover that Yoko had a specially refrigerated room just for her fur coats.

In 1980, to mark Lennon's 40th birthday, Elton sent him a little verse: 'Imagine six apartments / It isn't hard to do / One is full of fur coats / The other's full of shoes.'

An older friend, the Beatles' former personal assistant Neil Aspinall, once heard Lennon moaning about the costs of running his business empire. 'Imagine no possessions, John,' Aspinall said. Lennon glared back. 'It's only a bloody song,' he said.

Ha ha. Thanks Bobber. That’s right. I conflated the two. I’d imagine that only people like Neil or Elton could have got away with stirring him like that.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on January 08, 2019, 01:07:55 AM
I can't believe Lennon thought he could get away with being a hypocrite by saying "that's just a bloody song."

Okay, sometimes I think we say things to impress other people even though we don't mean what we say.

I guess you really do have to judge someone by their actions and not by their words.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on January 08, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
I can't believe Lennon thought he could get away with being a hypocrite by saying "that's just a bloody song."



Yeah I always thought that was a bit sh*t by John. There are thousands of homeless people freezing to death sleeping in doorways that can 'imagine no possessions' but Im not sure John could.

George I always thought was also very hypocritical also with his ostentatious possessions, Huge stately home, collection of exotic cars etc. didnt fit with his religious preachings.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Mr Mustard on January 10, 2019, 12:40:30 AM
I've never personally bought this superficial cop-out (as I see it) of labelling John a hypocrite with Imagine.

To me he's inviting everyone (himself included) to glimpse a dream of what could be do-able if EVERYONE detached themselves from materialism. It's typical Lennon simplification (you only have to WANT war to be over and it then will be, right?). But since everyone isn't willing to dream he'll play the game on the world's more brutal terms and win first. Then, from his vaulted position, tell us how it could be if we'd ALL drop our guard and play the rules of the idealistic dreamers. Classic Lennon: a sentimental hearted, naive, well-meaning guy who fundamentally wants everyone to love each other - but will ensure he gets the first head-butt in in the brawl of life, so that we'll all shut up and listen.

He seemed to see things on a grander scale than most. Someone once said Paul's optimism was always tailored in his songs to individual characters and circumstances, whereas John's positive songs were often expressed at a global level (ironically for such a personal, subjective songwriter). I think it was Liverpool comedian Freddie Starr, who knew The Beatles in The Cavern/Hamburg days, who claimed John had the beautiful vision of a poet who was always exasperated by others' limited ambitions. To paraphrase Freddie (I can no longer find the exact quote): "We all wanted to improve our lives but he wanted to improve the world."

I'd be a hypocrite myself if I criticised him over Imagine. We all have the double standard within us... I've done anonymous charity work and private good deeds in my time, but am I willing to sell my big plasma TV and give away the profits having put money in a collection tin to help the homeless earlier that day? Errrr....well, no. I love natural history and the animal kingdom but I'll happily tuck into a slice of venison without a shred of guilt.

On a grander scale I guess that sums up George, too. As nim says, he preached spirituality and genuinely believed in the higher teachings of various gurus but at the same time ensured he had the fastest cars and the biggest of mansions. We are all multi-faceted to some extent if we're honest.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on January 10, 2019, 01:08:00 AM
I've never personally bought this superficial cop-out (as I see it) of labelling John a hypocrite with Imagine.

To me he's inviting everyone (himself included) to glimpse a dream of what could be do-able if EVERYONE detached themselves from materialism.

Sounds like a Lennon fan cop out to me  ha2ha
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Mr Mustard on January 10, 2019, 01:36:38 AM
Naaah, he did plenty of "Emperor's Clothes" stuff I'd be at the head of the queue to rubbish.

But regarding Imagine as hypocritical is lazy thinking (IMO).
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on January 10, 2019, 06:16:35 AM

I'd be a hypocrite myself if I criticised him over Imagine. We all have the double standard within us... I've done anonymous charity work and private good deeds in my time, but am I willing to sell my big plasma TV and give away the profits having put money in a collection tin to help the homeless earlier that day? Errrr....well, no. I love natural history and the animal kingdom but I'll happily tuck into a slice of venison without a shred of guilt.

On a grander scale I guess that sums up George, too. As nim says, he preached spirituality and genuinely believed in the higher teachings of various gurus but at the same time ensured he had the fastest cars and the biggest of mansions. We are all multi-faceted to some extent if we're honest.

I tend to agree.  It’s fun, if a bit of an easy mark, to pick on celebs for this type of thing. I don’t really hold it against them or think less of them for it. I don’t  expect perfect consistency in this sort of stuff. Only if they get too hectoring and self righteous it can grate a bit if they’re not living it. George was a bit preachy in some of his lyrics but I didn’t see it as being real blood and thunder, repent all ye sinners (well, not too much anyway) More that he thought everyone should strive to know God etc etc. That was his bag. Not mine. I just liked the music.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: NotTheWalrus on October 26, 2019, 07:51:51 AM
Well, I think that Egypt Station is a fine album, and we're lucky that he's still releasing music at his age.

It's even better with the b-sides/additional tracks.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bulldog on October 26, 2019, 09:07:51 AM
Paul's a legend & is still busy in his 70's.

Either being interviewed & usually talking about the Beatles, touring because he enjoys it & the public want it, or releasing albums.

He could just relax, spend his millions & enjoy being a father/grandfather. But still works. He's not going to release a 'Hey Jude' every couple of years, who is? He owes the world nothing.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bulldog on October 26, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
Are there any hidden gems in Paul's album catalogue?

I like some of the Wings/solo singles. But could not face listening to whole albums.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on October 27, 2019, 01:28:47 AM
There's tons of hidden gems, but one persons treasure is another persons trash.  I'm not sure why you are so against listening to an entire record.  How do you know you wouldn't like it?
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Beatlemaniac64 on November 06, 2019, 02:08:57 PM
I was surprised to open this thread and find it was from 2004 originally lol. Little did that original person know that Paul would still be kickin' here in 2019.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on November 07, 2019, 06:57:26 AM
Are there any hidden gems in Paul's album catalogue?

I like some of the Wings/solo singles. But could not face listening to whole albums.

I think Paul’s got a lot of great stuff on albums from 1970 to today. The whole Flaming Pie album is a hidden gem in some ways. Well known to Paul fans but, like most of his stuff post Tug of War, not really something someone will know if they aren’t into Paul.

I think every  Paul album would have a couple of playlist worthy songs. Except for McCartney 2.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on November 09, 2019, 03:11:17 PM
I've always liked this song from Tug of War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9koNmOjU77A# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9koNmOjU77A#)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Normandie on November 09, 2019, 09:25:35 PM
Are there any hidden gems in Paul's album catalogue?

I'd slate "Put It There" from Flowers in the Dirt into that category.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bulldog on November 09, 2019, 11:14:02 PM
I think Paul’s got a lot of great stuff on albums from 1970 to today. The whole Flaming Pie album is a hidden gem in some ways. Well known to Paul fans but, like most of his stuff post Tug of War, not really something someone will know if they aren’t into Paul.

I think every  Paul album would have a couple of playlist worthy songs. Except for McCartney 2.

Yes I have heard Flaming Pie was a good one. He wouldn't want to release a dud after the Anthology.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on November 10, 2019, 01:24:48 AM
Yes I have heard Flaming Pie was a good one. He wouldn't want to release a dud after the Anthology.

Yes that did seem to energise him. It’s not a perfect album or anything. It has some clunkers such as Used to Be Bad but The Songs We Were Singing, Calico Skies, Little Willow, Beautiful Night, Souvenir and Young Boy, provide an above average stock of decent songs for one album. And most or other songs are ok too.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on November 10, 2019, 02:11:19 AM
I think every  Paul album would have a couple of playlist worthy songs. Except for McCartney 2.

Truer words have never been said.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on November 10, 2019, 02:14:51 AM
Yes I have heard Flaming Pie was a good one. He wouldn't want to release a dud after the Anthology.

Besides RAM, I think its the best one he's ever done.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: blmeanie on November 10, 2019, 01:14:22 PM

I think every  Paul album would have a couple of playlist worthy songs. Except for McCartney 2.

How about your 2 playlist worthy from each album?  I am curious.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on November 10, 2019, 08:24:04 PM
How about your 2 playlist worthy from each album?  I am curious.

That sounds like good new thread. I’ll have a think.  icon_good
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bingo Bongo on November 30, 2020, 03:05:24 PM
I personally stopped buying his records many decades ago.


But at least he tours and gives people a chance to see a living legend. He is a great showman! 
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on November 30, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
That sounds like good new thread. I’ll have a think.  icon_good

Seeing this thread restarted reminded me of this. Clearly I’m still thinking
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on November 30, 2020, 08:06:15 PM
I personally stopped buying his records many decades ago.


But at least he tours and gives people a chance to see a living legend. He is a great showman!

I quite  like some of his more recent effforts. There’s a lot to like about New and I still think Egypt Station hangs together well as an album. The only thing I don’t do is play them.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 01, 2020, 12:44:00 AM
I think every  Paul album would have a couple of playlist worthy songs. Except for McCartney 2.


You don't like Coming Up?



(https://i.postimg.cc/D2kCcDzy/Coming-Up-Video.jpg)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 01, 2020, 01:44:53 AM
I quite  like some of his more recent effforts. There’s a lot to like about New and I still think Egypt Station hangs together well as an album. The only thing I don’t do is play them.

Still... the only one I ever play is McCartney.
I absolutely love that album, but that's the only one I love.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on December 01, 2020, 02:53:06 AM
You don't like Coming Up?

The album version is ironically the worst.  The single and live version are far superior. 
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on December 01, 2020, 02:54:31 AM
Still... the only one I ever play is McCartney.
I absolutely love that album, but that's the only one I love.

We've talked about it many times before Kev, but it still baffles me.   ha2ha
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 01, 2020, 03:24:46 AM
The album version is ironically the worst.  The single and live version are far superior. 

I like the quirkiness of the McCartney II version.  It's my favorite version of Coming Up.

Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 01, 2020, 07:10:28 AM
You don't like Coming Up?


Tkitna has said it all for me.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bulldog on December 01, 2020, 08:31:14 AM
https://youtu.be/gfAJakw36zE (https://youtu.be/gfAJakw36zE)

Even John liked "Coming Up'.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 01, 2020, 09:35:29 AM
We've talked about it many times before Kev, but it still baffles me.   ha2ha

I know.
I still can't explain why I think it's his best, I know it's kinda rough and unprofessional but I never get tired of it. I think it's like a little mirror into his soul.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 01, 2020, 09:39:59 PM
[url]https://youtu.be/gfAJakw36zE[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/gfAJakw36zE[/url])

Even John liked "Coming Up'.


 ;D
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 01, 2020, 10:22:50 PM
So just to refresh your memories, there was a full-length version of Coming Up.  Here it it is for your listening pleasure...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAW36rBPFw# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAW36rBPFw#)

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(https://i.postimg.cc/1Pr9FK21/Coming-Up-7.jpg)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: blmeanie on December 02, 2020, 02:56:50 PM
was in a deli getting bagels a few minutes ago, heard Wonderful Christmas Time while waiting, how can he suck when he pens one of the all-time great holiday songs (start clock on how long before TK burns down my tongue in cheek post?)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on December 02, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
was in a deli getting bagels a few minutes ago, heard Wonderful Christmas Time while waiting, how can he suck when he pens one of the all-time great holiday songs (start clock on how long before TK burns down my tongue in cheek post?)

I would be sad if I didnt hear that song at least a few times around the Christmas season.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 02, 2020, 07:26:06 PM
See, blmeanie, TK likes it after all.  :)

As I mentioned in the Happy Thanksgiving thread, Wonderful Christmastime was the first Christmas song I heard on the radio this year..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Ye-3C1FC8# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Ye-3C1FC8#)



I love this live performance...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ-YDHgbm94# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ-YDHgbm94#)
Liverpool Echo Arena  20 December 2011

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Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 02, 2020, 08:44:22 PM
Four years ago, for her birthday, I took my sister to see Paul McCartney at MetLife Stadium...


(https://i.postimg.cc/NsDsZ5LL/Adobe-Photoshop-Express-ae4f7dafa37243b5af77cabd2fba59f3.jpg)


(https://i.postimg.cc/cx01DQxV/Adobe-Photoshop-Express-f466aff638d84ff484f7b3909dfac7da.jpg)



Everyone stood up when Paul and his band played Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da.  Here's the video I took...

Are you ready?!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjRopyf7wWU# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjRopyf7wWU#)

Well if you want some fun, take Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da!


What a great concert that was!
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: blmeanie on December 02, 2020, 09:22:23 PM
can't wait/hoping he tours again and finds Atlanta again.  I think I have seen him 8 or 9 times now, always a great time
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 02, 2020, 11:44:47 PM
It’s now three years since I saw his concert in Sydney. Time flies. Won’t forget that one. What a great night.

Is Paul going to continue touring I wonder? This enforced break might be harder for a close to 80 year old (gulp) to come back from.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 02, 2020, 11:49:11 PM
can't wait/hoping he tours again and finds Atlanta again.  I think I have seen him 8 or 9 times now, always a great time


It’s now three years since I saw his concert in Sydney. Time flies. Won’t forget that one. What a great night.

Is Paul going to continue touring I wonder? This enforced break might be harder for a close to 80 year old (gulp) to come back from.


Paul still puts on a great show in 2020...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqWDfqVmbM# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqWDfqVmbM#)

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Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 02, 2020, 11:51:19 PM
I'll go see him again the next time he comes around here.

And I hope he plays Coming Up...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSApmHLqXA# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSApmHLqXA#)

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Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on December 03, 2020, 12:12:27 AM
Pauls awesome, but I cant see myself ever going to another one of his concerts.  I'm just not much of a concert goer anymore.  Every once in awhile, i'll take my son to a show he hasent seen or a show I somehow get free tickets for but thats about it.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 03, 2020, 02:18:17 AM
Paul still puts on a great show in 2020...


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqWDfqVmbM#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqWDfqVmbM#[/url])

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Oh yeah. No doubt he still does a great show. I’m thinking more that it might just be hard at his age after taking a long enforced break for him to get up the energy again. He might find he likes having his feet up in front of the fire listening to Two Virgins or Electronic Sounds.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 03, 2020, 02:50:19 AM
He's doing very well for his age.  He was still full of energy, after a two hour concert, coming off the stage at 1:57:00   icon_good
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 03, 2020, 02:58:35 AM
He's doing very well for his age.  He was still full of energy, after a two hour concert, coming off the stage at 1:57:00   icon_good

Two hour? He is slowing down. He did more like three in Sydney  ;D
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 03, 2020, 04:57:22 AM
Two hour? He is slowing down. He did more like three in Sydney  ;D

He was upside down in Sydney and had more energy as the blood rushed to his head.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 03, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
He was upside down in Sydney and had more energy as the blood rushed to his head.


(https://i.ibb.co/26NxyyY/0393-A126-E36-C-46-CA-B5-F1-A629-DCB9-EB5-B.jpg[/url])

We never notice being upside down for some reason.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 03, 2020, 02:07:53 PM
Pauls awesome, but I cant see myself ever going to another one of his concerts.  I'm just not much of a concert goer anymore.  Every once in awhile, i'll take my son to a show he hasent seen or a show I somehow get free tickets for but thats about it.

Same here Todd I haven't been to a concert in a long time now, the last was Rod Stewart at Caesars palace. My wife conned me into that lol but there's nobody I really want to see live anymore.
ID actually rather watch a good DVD these days, also the cost of tickets is ridiculous.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 03, 2020, 11:42:22 PM
([url]https://i.ibb.co/26NxyyY/0393-A126-E36-C-46-CA-B5-F1-A629-DCB9-EB5-B.jpg[/url][/url])

We never notice being upside down for some reason.


Darwin!  ;D

Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 03, 2020, 11:53:07 PM
Same here Todd I haven't been to a concert in a long time now, the last was Rod Stewart at Caesars palace. My wife conned me into that lol but there's nobody I really want to see live anymore.
ID actually rather watch a good DVD these days, also the cost of tickets is ridiculous.

I’m the same  ha2ha. The Macca concert was the only one I’ve been to for years.  As it’s my only time to see him I was willing to put up with the uncomfortable crowded concert conditions and to fork out the money.

I will go to opera or classical things occasionally but they’re pretty civilised and less expensive. Smaller venues with decent wine etc before and at the break.

Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 04, 2020, 11:15:41 PM
I looked like that this morning Bazza  ha2ha

Moog, on the cruises Ive been on Ive enjoyed some very high quality Jazz/Funk musicians. Certainly playing to a much higher standard than Ive ever got near. I cant tell you how much Ive enjoyed them, in a ships lounge with comfortable chairs, a coffee table, and importantly a waiter bring my Gin & Tonic. Much more civilised than a football stadium or large hall with 20k people in it.
And all included in the cruise price of course.

Thats all I want these days
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 05, 2020, 12:27:55 AM
I looked like that this morning Bazza  ha2ha

Moog, on the cruises Ive been on Ive enjoyed some very high quality Jazz/Funk musicians. Certainly playing to a much higher standard than Ive ever got near. I cant tell you how much Ive enjoyed them, in a ships lounge with comfortable chairs, a coffee table, and importantly a waiter bring my Gin & Tonic. Much more civilised than a football stadium or large hall with 20k people in it.
And all included in the cruise price of course.

Thats all I want these days

That sounds very civilised. Having the waiter brings drinks at a concert is much more to my liking.  ;) 
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 05, 2020, 01:17:14 AM
That sounds very civilised. Having the waiter brings drinks at a concert is much more to my liking.  ;) 


Right.  I went to this Moody Blues club concert at Caesar's Palace Atlantic City in 1995...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjyVNqV5r4&feature=emb_title# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjyVNqV5r4&feature=emb_title#)


A small venue.  We were sitting at a table up front by the stage.  Right by Justin Hayward!    icon_good
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 05, 2020, 01:51:09 AM
That sounds very civilised. Having the waiter brings drinks at a concert is much more to my liking.  ;)

The last cruise we did which was to NZ, there was a band from Sydney on every night in the Blue Room.
Female singer (she sang similar to the great Amy Winehouse)
Bass, Drums, Keys, Guitar.

They were awesome, played some Sade stuff, loads of sultry Jazz standards, Billie Holiday etc.

I could have watched them every night, but wifey wouldnt let me  ;D
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 05, 2020, 10:51:27 AM
Right.  I went to this Moody Blues club concert at Caesar's Palace Atlantic City in 1995...


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjyVNqV5r4&feature=emb_title#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjyVNqV5r4&feature=emb_title#[/url])


A small venue.  We were sitting at a table up front by the stage.  Right by Justin Hayward!    icon_good


Now that sounds like a good concert.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 06, 2020, 01:18:48 AM
Now that sounds like a good concert.


Moog, I've seen The Moody Blues several times in large venues with local philharmonic orchestras.  But that Caesar's club show is my favorite.  There were only about 350 people in that room.  It was just the band...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjW3vxV72nk# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjW3vxV72nk#)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on December 06, 2020, 03:04:51 AM
I looked like that this morning Bazza  ha2ha

Moog, on the cruises Ive been on Ive enjoyed some very high quality Jazz/Funk musicians. Certainly playing to a much higher standard than Ive ever got near. I cant tell you how much Ive enjoyed them, in a ships lounge with comfortable chairs, a coffee table, and importantly a waiter bring my Gin & Tonic. Much more civilised than a football stadium or large hall with 20k people in it.
And all included in the cruise price of course.

Thats all I want these days

Guy I used to talk with on the Drummer Cafe (Keith Cronin) was a drummer on a cruise ship for a few years.  Said it paid well and it kept the chops sharp because they played all the time.  He's a hell of a player so I imagine they dont hire any slouches. 
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 06, 2020, 04:15:42 AM
Moog, I've seen The Moody Blues several times in large venues with local philharmonic orchestras.  But that Caesar's club show is my favorite.  There were only about 350 people in that room.  It was just the band...


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjW3vxV72nk#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjW3vxV72nk#[/url])


I’ve seen them a couple of times in big venues as well back in the early 80s  which was great. But a nice comfortable table with drinks and food being delivered sounds a real treat.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Bingo Bongo on December 24, 2020, 04:14:03 PM
I wouldn't go as far to say he sucks, but I just cant past his voice on this  new LP.
 ;sorry
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on December 24, 2020, 06:32:59 PM
It's not just his voice.  His songwriting talent is depleted.  I don't think he's got any good songs in him anymore.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on December 24, 2020, 06:35:33 PM
Also:  I think Paul's fans want him to live up to his legend.  But his legend is of the past.  Young Paul and Old Paul are two very different songwriters.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on December 25, 2020, 05:46:20 AM
It's not just his voice.  His songwriting talent is depleted.  I don't think he's got any good songs in him anymore.
it's funny but I don't think any of the 60s and 70s songwriters have written anything really good since about the age of 50.
Great songwriting seems to be in the realm of the young.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: blmeanie on December 25, 2020, 10:36:11 AM
it's funny but I don't think any of the 60s and 70s songwriters have written anything really good since about the age of 50.
Great songwriting seems to be in the realm of the young.

youth, pace of life probably (to some degree place in life too, i.e. stable family life vs younger "what's next" life), ingestion of drugs.  I would imagine the desire to follow set rules on songwriting vs just making it up as you go. 

Lastly, who you work with or don't work with?  Differing opinions and feedback along the way matters
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Loco Mo on December 25, 2020, 02:25:22 PM
I think Paul changed dramatically after John's death.  There were still hits but no major work that I can think of.   :'(
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 25, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
I dunno. I’d rate lots of stuff Paul has done after he turned 50 in 1993 compared to say what he did from 40 to 50.  Flaming Pie was one of his best. And there’s quite a few songs from the 2000s I rate up there in his work. A quick check of my Paul solo playlist has just over half of the 39 songs from albums Flaming pie and after. Trouble is with the 60s stars is what they did in the 60s was so iconic nothing they do will ever match them.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 25, 2020, 11:06:13 PM
^

Yes, the 60s was a tough act to follow.

I liked when he performed My Valentine at his MetLife Stadium concert I attended four years ago...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmJzoW573Yw# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmJzoW573Yw#)

Nancy was in the audience that evening.  Paul wrote great songs when he had a muse to encourage him.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Normandie on December 30, 2020, 02:16:11 PM


McCartney III hit No. 1 on the Billboard charts, eclipsing Taylor Swift.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/paul-mccartney-lands-first-no-1-album-in-31-years/?_ga=2.93281181.1878037374.1609000377-1092899309.1571854076 (https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/paul-mccartney-lands-first-no-1-album-in-31-years/?_ga=2.93281181.1878037374.1609000377-1092899309.1571854076)

Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 31, 2020, 05:50:54 AM

McCartney III hit No. 1 on the Billboard charts, eclipsing Taylor Swift.




(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/n37DGuw4VNKEEjEmFuMebg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTE0NDA-/http://41.media.tumblr.com/521757fe06bcfd893acb126bffc42572/tumblr_inline_o3qe0cZyK91tcrvyl_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: tkitna on December 31, 2020, 10:27:20 AM

McCartney III hit No. 1 on the Billboard charts, eclipsing Taylor Swift.

[url]https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/paul-mccartney-lands-first-no-1-album-in-31-years/?_ga=2.93281181.1878037374.1609000377-1092899309.1571854076[/url] ([url]https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/paul-mccartney-lands-first-no-1-album-in-31-years/?_ga=2.93281181.1878037374.1609000377-1092899309.1571854076[/url])


Wow, I did not see that coming.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on December 31, 2020, 10:03:42 PM
Yeah Egypt station got to No 1 too but he did heaps of work getting it there. Thought this would be a slow burn record.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on January 06, 2021, 08:40:33 PM
This album is growing on me.  A few tunes are beginning to stick. Will need a few more plays.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on October 20, 2021, 11:02:28 PM
This album is growing on me.  A few tunes are beginning to stick. Will need a few more plays.

How is it going Moog ?  ;D
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on October 31, 2021, 05:38:25 AM
How is it going Moog ?  ;D

I'd have to go back and listen to it. I think I last played it in January  ;D
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on October 31, 2021, 07:23:48 AM
I'd have to go back and listen to it. I think I last played it in January  ;D

Maybe it needs a few John and George tunes
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: Moogmodule on October 31, 2021, 07:51:53 AM
Maybe it needs a few John and George tunes

That would be great! Although seems Paul wrote all Johns tunes too.
Title: Re: How many of you think Paul McCartney sucks now?
Post by: nimrod on October 31, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
That would be great! Although seems Paul wrote all Johns tunes too.

 ha2ha ha2ha