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Title: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 06, 2009, 02:06:09 PM
I felt the forums needed a thread to discuss the musical genuis of Michael Jackson.
Discuss your favorite songs, albums, music videos, dance moves, or live performances.

There is so much to discuss!

Michael Jackson was a true musical legend and inspiration. Let's remember him in the best way possible, through his talent.

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/jetsetlife_revenge/Michael%20Jackson/MichaelJacksonfg.png)

Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
All the day I`ve been singing "Heal the world, make it better place, for you and for me and the entire human race..." You needn`t make a hero out of Michael, but he was a distinguished talent, at the same time a very tragic figure, caught in his own dreams and fantasies.
I am sure that there were people around him who took advantage of his wealth, of his gentle personality and ruined him. Look at some videos, the guys around him are all so fat and strong, he had a personal doctor, and what is the result? Broke, bankrupt, sick, dying. They were all like moscitoes sucking his blood.
Michael invented a new style in pop music, he invented moonwalk, he was distinct from everybody else, he was a permanent child. He needed help and there was nobody to help him, he was absolutely lonely, beaten in his own territory.
Certainly he will be an icon, he already is. Nobody is denying the fact that he was a freak and so on and so on, but why should we constantly speak about his negative sides and qualities, as if there are no positive ones. (like in the other thread about Michael, where again John is mentioned, and again and again to underline and drill in the fact that he was bad as if the others were saints)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 06, 2009, 09:30:50 PM
Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury worked together. Did anyone ever know about this???? Freddie was also supposed to be on Thriller, but it never happened. HOW WEIRD! I never knew!

Freddie
Freddie Mercury talks about Michael Jackson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm2gu79sWM8&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq)

State of Shock. Don't know what I think. Don't like the Jagger version either really.
Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson-State Of Shock (Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29TRGKKw98U&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Penny Lane on July 06, 2009, 09:45:53 PM
All the day I`ve been singing "Heal the world, make it better place, for you and for me and the entire human race..."

This song was stuck in my head all last week.

Anyway, my friend (a longtime MJ fan) actually got tickets to his memorial tomorrow at the Staples Center!  The odds of getting those tickets were so slim that I'm amazed and very excited for her.  (I would've signed up for the ticket lottery myself, but I have an exam tomorrow, ugh.)  I hope she has a great time.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on July 07, 2009, 12:00:54 AM
Speaking of the Memorial...McCartney will NOT be performing at it as some have speculated on other forums.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Penny Lane on July 07, 2009, 05:32:58 AM
Anyway, my friend (a longtime MJ fan) actually got tickets to his memorial tomorrow at the Staples Center!  The odds of getting those tickets were so slim that I'm amazed and very excited for her.  (I would've signed up for the ticket lottery myself, but I have an exam tomorrow, ugh.)  I hope she has a great time.

Ah...  My friend got her tickets and realized what she got were not the Staples ones, but ones to the Nokia theater, where the audience can view the memorial from a big screen, I guess?  Not as good as the Staples but better than TV.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Bobber on July 07, 2009, 07:59:18 AM
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7060/georgeandmichael.jpg)

George Michael.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 07, 2009, 07:59:55 AM
Can you imagine what a mess downtown is gonna be tomorrow???
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 07, 2009, 08:00:23 AM
([url]http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7060/georgeandmichael.jpg[/url])

George Michael.


What was this from?? Wonder what George thought of him.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 07, 2009, 10:08:57 AM
^^^ The blonde guy in the middle of George and Michael is David Kid Jensen a Radio 1 DJ for for the BBC in the 70's and 80's .
He used to host Top Of The Pops sometimes , he's Canadian i think ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on July 07, 2009, 10:23:12 AM
^^^ The blonde guy in the middle of George and Michael is David Kid Jensen a Radio 1 DJ for for the BBC in the 70's and 80's .
He used to host Top Of The Pops sometimes , he's Canadian i think ?

I remember seeing him introduce Wings just before they performed Mull of Kintyre on Wingspan.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Bobber on July 07, 2009, 10:52:52 AM
What was this from?? Wonder what George thought of him.

Subscript says: Michael Jackson, George Harrison, & David 'Kid' Jensen participate in a Roundtable radio discussion in February 1979 -
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 07, 2009, 11:02:53 AM
^^^^ Yes i remember Roundtable they would get famous quests to review the latest singles and ask them what they thought of the songs .
That was some famous panel with George & Michael usally it was B - list celebrities like Lulu or David Essex  ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 07, 2009, 04:53:53 PM
Going to watch Michael`s Memorial right now. How sad I feel, friends. Absolutely devastated.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Penny Lane on July 07, 2009, 06:19:58 PM
Can you imagine what a mess downtown is gonna be tomorrow???

I know.  I'll be sure to stay far, far away.  Traffic is going to be so bad.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 07, 2009, 07:47:15 PM
Brooke Shields said the best words.
Michael`s daughter is lovely.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: HeyJude18 on July 07, 2009, 07:49:58 PM
Michael`s daughter is lovely.

That just broke my heart when I saw it!  A CHILD should not have to bury their parent, not to mention 3 children, I can only imagine what they've be going through.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 07, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
I just finished watching the memorial service. I cried right when Mariah Carey started I'll Be There, and didn't stop until it was all over.
 I am truly at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 07, 2009, 08:55:08 PM
They're replaying bits of it on CNN. Strange but sad. People on the radio were complaining this morning about the city having to foot part of the bill for this because there are tons of police required and so on. All this while CA is WAAAYYY in debt. But oh well. I guess it's a nice idea. The fans seem sincere and quite touched. Which is nice. Still can't get over the fact that he's dead.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 07, 2009, 08:59:12 PM
Okay, they really shouldn't have put his daughter in that situation. Why do that to her??? That was really unnecessary. Let the poor girl grieve privately.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Andy Smith on July 08, 2009, 01:07:02 AM
Quote

Beatle legend Paul McCartney hits out at Joe Jackson


Beatle legend Sir Paul McCartney has hit out at Joe Jackson for contributing to his son's problems through his overbearing and violent nature during Jacko's childhood. Macca caused a storm earlier in the week when he failed to mention Joe in an official statement, sending his condolences to Michael's "Mother and rest of the family". But although Sir Paul claims the snub was "not on purpose", the music legend reckons Joe's physical abuse on Michael contributed to the King of Pops problems in life. Speaking to Canadian radio, Macca said: "When I issued the statement I had a feeling things might be construed like that. "The truth is I kind of know Katherine a bit better, I've met her a few times with Michael and with the family and she was a more personal friend than the dad. "I haven't really met Joe, so that was why I did that. "I don't know for sure about the physical abuse but I know he was on a TV programme and the interviewer said: 'Did you ever beat Michael?" And Joe replied, 'I didn't beat him, I whupped him.' "So I am pretty sure that went on, I don't want to be the judge on that kind of thing but I do think that contributed to some of the problems Michael might have had. "I was very blessed because Michael never gave me a sense of that stuff, we just hung out and had fun." Macca, 67, has also revealed Jacko did not leave him the Beatles back-catalogue in his will. The pair had a public falling out after Jacko outbid Macca and Lennon's widow Yoko Ono for the rights of the tracks in 1985. Sir Paul revealed: "I heard this rumour a couple of days ago about the songs, I don't think that is true. "I got off that years ago. "It was something for a while I was very keen on and you can see why, naturally. "I thought it was a natural with Michael taking over that something would be happening there but when I realised it wasn't I thought, get off it. "Those sort of things can eat you up so I thought get off it."
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Mairi on July 08, 2009, 01:11:34 AM
Sometimes Paul rambles more than Victor Hugo.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 08, 2009, 07:08:55 AM
As a memorial i thought it was quite fitting , was'nt over keen on some of the religious sentiment , mind you thats me and religion these days .
Smokey Robinson was funny and does'nt he look good for his age ?
The Paris statement was upsetting , think the family should have maybe shielded her from such a high profile tribute , can see the press taking an unsavoury interest in her now .
All in all not a bad send off for MJ .
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 08, 2009, 10:00:49 AM
What the hell was that family thinking of, putting that poor girl on stage in front of 11,000, and god knows how many millions on TV.? Bloody shocking behaviour, her Father's just died for christssake!!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Bobber on July 08, 2009, 11:08:21 AM
How old is she? 12? It might have been her own decision.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 08, 2009, 11:22:49 AM
How old is she? 12? It might have been her own decision.

Whatever, they should have kept her out of it. I remember going to my first funeral when I was 14, that was bad enough. OK, let her go to that, but standing up on stage and giving a speech in front of all those people, she should have been shielded from that whatever she wanted.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 08, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
I just heard, she's eleven!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Euan Buchan on July 08, 2009, 11:34:20 AM
I didn't think it was that good to be honest I saw abit of it on TV and turned it off.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 08, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
What the hell was that family thinking of, putting that poor girl on stage in front of 11,000, and god knows how many millions on TV.? Bloody shocking behaviour, her Father's just died for christssake!!

There is something suspect about the Jackson family and their attitude towards the welfare of children Paul , you can kind of see where MJ got some of it from ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 08, 2009, 12:07:10 PM
There is something suspect about the Jackson family and their attitude towards the welfare of children Paul , you can kind of see where MJ got some of it from ?

If I was a social worker I'd been favouring someone else for custody!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Kevin on July 08, 2009, 12:16:28 PM
As a memorial i thought it was quite fitting , was'nt over keen on some of the religious sentiment , mind you thats me and religion these days .

Yeah. How dare they bring God into death? Is nothing sacred for chrisss sake?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
What the hell was that family thinking of, putting that poor girl on stage in front of 11,000, and god knows how many millions on TV.? Bloody shocking behaviour, her Father's just died for christssake!!

Completely agree. The girl is just 11. And Janet J. saying: Paris wants to speak. And then pushes her to the microphone. Poor girl. My heart broke. Middle-aged people can`t speak at the funerals of their relatives.
There`s something wrong with the whole Jackson family. No wonder Michael wasn`t close to them.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 08, 2009, 06:14:28 PM
Yeah. How dare they bring God into death? Is nothing sacred for chrisss sake?

I knew some African Americans are religious , but i was quite surprised just how much they are really into it .
It was kind of nice to see black America on show , thought there was a great deal of confidence in many of the speakers , made me think Obama and black America are on the move ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 08, 2009, 09:54:37 PM
The little girl was obviously devastated. To put her on show in that state is despicable and shows a serious lack of common sense. One of them even said, "get closer to the microphone." But how surprised are we really? I think if they don't get these kids away from that family and the hanger ons, and the sycophants, and the destructive party scene of L.A., they'll end up making Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan look like pikers.

Oh, and did you catch the littlest one holding the half undressed Michael Jackson doll???? It just keeps getting more and more bizarre.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 08, 2009, 09:55:47 PM
I knew some African Americans are religious , but i was quite surprised just how much they are really into it .
It was kind of nice to see black America on show , thought there was a great deal of confidence in many of the speakers , made me think Obama and black America are on the move ?

Don't buy into one thing the Reverend Al says. He's a disgusting opportunist racist media whore.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Andy Smith on July 09, 2009, 12:54:41 AM
What the hell was that family thinking of, putting that poor girl on stage in front of 11,000, and god knows how many millions on TV.? Bloody shocking behaviour, her Father's just died for christssake!!

i know, i don't think that was right really,, she was obviously heartbroken.
..but then again i'm not sure wheather she actually wanted to speak.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 09, 2009, 01:00:14 AM
She probably did want to speak, but she's a kid. It's their job to protect her from bad decisions. And that was a bad decision. Sorry. She didn't need to expose herself and her private feelings to the world. What do you think did Jackson in? They haven't learned yet?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on July 09, 2009, 02:37:07 AM
Here's a video of MJ's last performance. Eerie yet interesting to watch. I have heard that AEG is thinking about releasing a cd/dvd of his last rehearsals. That'll sell like hot cakes.

[youtube]81_9vDgW1eY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 09, 2009, 07:49:36 AM
Don't buy into one thing the Reverend Al says. He's a disgusting opportunist racist media whore.

Was'nt looking at one individual Sandra my observation was across the board of speakers , and i do think Obama as energized African Americans , just a personal observation .
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 09, 2009, 08:02:30 AM
Think it speaks volumes that MJ named an outside guardian (Diana Ross) in his will , even he did'nt trust the family to care for his children after his mother as gone ?
Don't know what Diana is doing these days , but maybe the children should be sent off to live with her sooner rather than latter ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 01:15:46 PM
Don't buy into one thing the Reverend Al says. He's a disgusting opportunist racist media whore.

Racist??? Isn`t he black?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
Think it speaks volumes that MJ named an outside guardian (Diana Ross) in his will , even he did'nt trust the family to care for his children after his mother as gone ?

Meanwhile a lawyer is going to attend to Michael`s fortune. And Michael`s mother is said not to like this decision made by court. I wonder why the court has made such a decision?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 09, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
Racist??? Isn`t he black?

Yes, he's black. What's that got to do with it? Think for a minute.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 09, 2009, 01:39:02 PM
Was'nt looking at one individual Sandra my observation was across the board of speakers , and i do think Obama as energized African Americans , just a personal observation .

I know. Just giving my opinion of the Reverend Al. Don't know how well known he is outside of the U.S.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Yes, he's black. What's that got to do with it? Think for a minute.

Very interesting. A black racist. A reverend.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 09, 2009, 02:33:35 PM
Meanwhile a lawyer is going to attend to Michael`s fortune. And Michael`s mother is said not to like this decision made by court. I wonder why the court has made such a decision?

I expect because most of it will go to his creditors.

Btw, black racists; you should read Miles Davis' autobiography. You don't have to be white to be a racist.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Joost on July 09, 2009, 02:36:37 PM
Very interesting. A black racist. A reverend.

Racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


"A particular race" can of course by any race.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on July 09, 2009, 02:37:12 PM
I expect because most of it will go to his creditors.

Btw, black racists; you should read Miles Davis' autobiography. You don't have to be white to be a racist.

I remember watching a show (I think it was Jerry Springer) where the episode that day was people who were racist against their own race.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 09, 2009, 03:00:41 PM
And of course, one of the biggest racists of all time was a white European that went by the name of Hitler. Though Stalin could give him a run for his money.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Mairi on July 09, 2009, 03:37:50 PM
Anyone care to enlighten me on the Reverend Al Sharpton? I don't know anything about him.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: An Apple Beatle on July 09, 2009, 03:57:32 PM
And of course, one of the biggest racists of all time was a white European that went by the name of Hitler. Though Stalin could give him a run for his money.

Interestingly, I do have a 1966, Collins English Encyclopedia, which describes "Negro's" as;
"Name denoting dark skinned, wooly haired African peoples. A branch of the Negroid division of mankind which includes the East Asiatic papuo-melanesians. The pure negro race inhabits W. Africa, South of the Sahara an East or Nilotic section extends from the east Sudan  to the Kenya coast. They have narrow heads, broad noses, prominent jaws, large teeth and thick lips."

Dosn't really paint a great picture of us does it?


I do know the Kenyans have recently accused Brits of worse crimes than that of Hitler and this was AFTER the holocaust.

I thought mankind could grow out of this by now. I'm yet to see any coverage of the funeral as I have kind of switched off from it all now. Making it too much of a 'Black' thing is ridiculous. Music is above that.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Kevin on July 09, 2009, 03:59:28 PM
And of course, one of the biggest racists of all time was a white European that went by the name of Hitler. Though Stalin could give him a run for his money.

If you want to measure racism by numbers killed then I think Stalin's slaughter-total easily outdoes Hitler.
Poor old Adolf can't even claim the european number 2 spot, what with Leoplold II of Belgian overseeing the death of something like 20 million Congalese at the end of the ninetenth century.
Indians talk of their own holocaust, when Winston Churchill allowed 3 million Bengalis to starve to death in the 1940's.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 09, 2009, 04:19:07 PM
Oh yes, Hitler was a girl privatecat compared to some. Still, you wouldn't take him home to grandma for tea and cream cakes would you!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 09, 2009, 04:26:55 PM
Indians talk of their own holocaust, when Winston Churchill allowed 3 million Bengalis to starve to death in the 1940's.

Difficult position. Because of the fall of Burma the only way to get food to where it was needed would have been to divert supplies from the warfront (1943?). And he wasn't prepared to starve his soldiers. Still, something should have been done.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 04:47:10 PM
Stalin wasn`t an absolutely white person. He was a Caucasian from the south, from Georgia, Tbilisi, like Saakashvili. Gruzia.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 09, 2009, 04:53:05 PM
Yes, well he wasn't black!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 09, 2009, 06:09:48 PM
Very interesting. A black racist. A reverend.

I'm choosing not to explain this one.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 09, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
I was in town today and a  Asian girl was stood infront of me at the bus-stop , the poor girl had a really bad case of Vitiligo the same skin condition MJ is said to have had .
It really is a very disfiguring condition , but she was bravely showing it to the world , not sure i would have been so brave , it made me think .
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 07:30:54 PM
I'm choosing not to explain this one.

I am choosing to explain.
A reverend who is a racist. Really! How can that be? What`s wrong with this world?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 07:32:54 PM
Yes, well he wasn't black!

You are right.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Mairi on July 09, 2009, 08:03:21 PM
I am choosing to explain.
A reverend who is a racist. Really! How can that be? What`s wrong with this world?

not all reverends are model citizens.

Interesting story- When JFK was running for president, he was a big supporter or martin Luther King Junior, as you know. Well, MLK JR`s father, who is a Baptist minister, said that he could never vote for a Catholic president, but he would vote for Kennedy. And Kennedy said, Imagine that, a black Baptist preacher who is bigoted.

Just something to think about.

(Sorry my computer is messed up and will not do apostrophes, question marks, or quotation marks)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 08:05:21 PM
History gives us a lot of examples of suppression of people based, for instance, on race or social class.  Furthermore, I do believe such suppresion is not necessarily linked to a particular state or nationality.  For example:
Pol Pot, the leader of Cambodia, exterminated about 3 million people, more than half of the country's population;
Spanish Conquistadors killed about 90% of the native population of the Caribbbean Islands in the 16th century;
the oppression of the native Indian population in America; or
Lenin's "red terror" of the 1920-1921 in the young Soviet Republic.
As you may see all these events happened in different times and on different continents.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 08:14:34 PM
Sorry for misspelled words: suppression with 2 "s", not one. (BTW I have noticed that very often 2 "s" is not printed)
And Caribbean with 2 "b" (not 3, lol).
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
Right on the subject, Mairi!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 10, 2009, 07:58:17 AM
I thought millions of native people died in the new world due to imported disease like smallpox and the common cold ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 10, 2009, 09:11:49 AM
Bought this tripple CD of MJ & Jackson 5 "The Motown Years"  yesterday and i must say i had forgotten what quality these recordings are ?  you get all the hits and some brilliant funky album tracks from the period .
They were a tight outfit the Jackson 5 and MJ's vocal is incredible for one so young .
Thats two MJ albums i now own , but i can see this becoming my favourite out of the two , something about the Motown sound i really love  8)

(http://)(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w292/davedodo/MJJACKSON5.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Kevin on July 10, 2009, 09:17:04 AM
Oh yes, Hitler was a girl privatecat compared to some. Still, you wouldn't take him home to grandma for tea and cream cakes would you!

I know. It'd be always like "Adolf mate, enough already, you're doing that ranting thing again. Now be nice and eat your bagel."
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Penny Lane on July 10, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
Think it speaks volumes that MJ named an outside guardian (Diana Ross) in his will , even he did'nt trust the family to care for his children after his mother as gone ?
Don't know what Diana is doing these days , but maybe the children should be sent off to live with her sooner rather than latter ?

I didn't think of that earlier, but yes, it is rather incredible that MJ named Diana Ross as a guardian (outside of his own mother).  It does say a lot.

Also, when Paul McCartney made his public statement about MJ's death, he extended his sympathies to Michael's mother and family.  He left out Michael's father, which probably says a lot too.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Kevin on July 10, 2009, 09:30:14 AM
Stalin wasn`t an absolutely white person. He was a Caucasian from the south, from Georgia, Tbilisi, like Saakashvili. Gruzia.

Yes, he did verge on the swarthy side. But degrees of whiteness is an interesting thing to ponder. Do the Spanish qualify? Now that I think about it most people south of the alps, west of the Pyrennes and east of the Oder look a bit suspect.
Grandma! Put on the kettle and warm the cakes. We've got company!    :)
  
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 10, 2009, 09:33:50 AM
I didn't think of that earlier, but yes, it is rather incredible that MJ named Diana Ross as a guardian (outside of his own mother).  It does say a lot.

Also, when Paul McCartney made his public statement about MJ's death, he extended his sympathies to Michael's mother and family.  He left out Michael's father, which probably says a lot too.

I would be really offended Penny Lane if my brothers named an outside guardian to look after their children if anything ever happend to them , would see it as my duty to look after the children ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 10, 2009, 10:11:28 AM
Dancing Machine a favourite track from the Jackson 5 , great performance this from MJ and his brothers  8)

The Jackson 5-Dancing Machine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD2OsUcgb00#lq-lq2-hq)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 10, 2009, 10:26:10 AM
Dancing Machine a favourite track from the Jackson 5 , great performance this from MJ and his brothers  8)

The Jackson 5-Dancing Machine ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD2OsUcgb00#lq-lq2-hq[/url])


When is that from Dave? It sounds very ordinary. I'm surprised it was such a big hit.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 10, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
Yes, he did verge on the swarthy side. But degrees of whiteness is an interesting thing to ponder. Do the Spanish qualify? Now that I think about it most people south of the alps, west of the Pyrennes and east of the Oder look a bit suspect.
Grandma! Put on the kettle and warm the cakes. We've got company!    :)
  

My mums father and two of her sisters and my new nephew are all olive skinned much darker than the rest of us , often thought there must be some Spanish blood somewhere in the family gene pool for it to keep popping up like it does ?
There is also strong ginger streak , mums says thats the Irish bit of the family  ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 10, 2009, 10:48:58 AM
When is that from Dave? It sounds very ordinary. I'm surprised it was such a big hit.

From about 1973 Paul it sounds much better on record , it was'nt a UK hit and i think this performance is much latter than the original recording looks more 77/78 to me ?
The original recording is much more funky and Motown sounding , this was the best quality clip i could find though .
Really loving this Motown collection i bought yesterday , his best period for me that and Off The Wall .
Think he was much better in the 70's ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 10, 2009, 11:03:46 AM
Also it sounds like a backing track with a live vocal , were are the horn players for instance , under the afro's maybe  ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 10, 2009, 05:13:52 PM
Ok wanted this thread to be a place to remember Michael Jackson, not talk about racist people and people like Hitler and Stalin.

Who are we to say he is or isn't close to his family? Is anyone here related to Michael Jackson? Does anyone here know any personal information about Michael, that they didn't obtain from the media?

Anyways, I want to get back on the topic. Because I believe Michael is a kind soul that deserves to be remembered for the amazing things he has done.

So, this was the original reason why I was gonna post, but reading some other posts, it side tracked me.

 But does anyone know, at 56 seconds...where is the clip taking from? Anyone who knows and would like to share I would be so thankful!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pveL3tM9ejw&feature=fvst#)

Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on July 10, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
Ok wanted this thread to be a place to remember Michael Jackson, not talk about racist people and people like Hitler and Stalin.

Who are we to say he is or isn't close to his family? Is anyone here related to Michael Jackson? Does anyone here know any personal information about Michael, that they didn't obtain from the media?

Anyways, I want to get back on the topic. Because I believe Michael is a kind soul that deserves to be remembered for the amazing things he has done.

So, this was the original reason why I was gonna post, but reading some other posts, it side tracked me.

 But does anyone know, at 56 seconds...where is the clip taking from? Anyone who knows and would like to share I would be so thankful!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pveL3tM9ejw&feature=fvst#[/url])




Well the fact that Diana Ross is the guardian of his kids instead of somebody from his own family says a lot about the closeness factor.

In regards to the clip at 56 seconds, I would guess Earth Song.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 10, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
Well the fact that Diana Ross is the guardian of his kids instead of somebody from his own family says a lot about the closeness factor.

In regards to the clip at 56 seconds, I would guess Earth Song.

True. I don't like making assumptions, but maybe he just felt it was too much for his Mother. We'll never know the full story.

I thought that too, but I don't think it is. My sister and I are trying to figure this out because we have memories of seeing this video( most of which we can't remember anything about it) but we think that's a clip from it but we can't remember.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on July 10, 2009, 11:14:20 PM
True. I don't like making assumptions, but maybe he just felt it was too much for his Mother. We'll never know the full story.

I thought that too, but I don't think it is. My sister and I are trying to figure this out because we have memories of seeing this video( most of which we can't remember anything about it) but we think that's a clip from it but we can't remember.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYHguBEXkac
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Penny Lane on July 11, 2009, 07:04:09 AM
I would be really offended Penny Lane if my brothers named an outside guardian to look after their children if anything ever happend to them , would see it as my duty to look after the children ?

I can definitely understand being offended, Dave.  However, not everyone is emotionally close to their families.  One of my in-laws will be having a child soon, which means I will be an aunt.  Yet we've never, ever been close, so I can't realistically see him naming me as a potential guardian should the unthinkable occur.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 08:06:54 AM
^^^^ True Penny Lane not all families are close in the same way , but i still think it's strange Diana Ross was named in the will .
Just hope MJ's children don't get caught up in the media circus , years away from the spotlight is what they need , at least until there adults i would say .
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 11, 2009, 08:17:07 AM
Is it true that Catholic Church wants to canonize Michael? And can it do so if he is a muslim?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 11, 2009, 08:23:44 AM
^I think that might just be a bad joke going around. Think about the connection.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 08:41:20 AM
Was listening to Rockin' Robin this morning and i was trying to remember who did that song first , any one know ?
I think it's an old rock 'n' roll song , Wanda Jackson springs to mind ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 11, 2009, 08:46:23 AM
Rockin Robin - Bobby Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCy63R2KKFU#lq-lq2-hq)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 08:53:03 AM
^^^ Thanks Sandra i just looked the song up myself as it was bugging me who did it first  :)
Here is a clip of Bobby Day singing Rockin Robin  .

BOBBY DAY - ROCKIN ROBIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxAd-MjUwo#lq-lq2-hq)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 08:56:47 AM
MJ version of Rockin' Robin  :)

The Jackson 5 - Rockin' Robin 1972 RARE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4VCUbL7jsc#lq-lq2-hq)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 09:09:51 AM
^^^ I loved this song as a kid think it was the first MJ song i bought , i was bopping to it this morning while i was cooking breakfast  ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 11, 2009, 09:10:30 AM
Like the Jackson's version better! They were so great.

This is so cool:
Jackson 5 killing me softly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u49x19dvzpE&feature=related#lq-hq)

This one always amazes me:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVBN8LeRl8g#)

And I just LOVE this song!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6bARIaMhCM&feature=related#)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 09:26:20 AM
^^^^ Yes i like MJ's version better  :)
I'm rediscovering the Jackson 5 period Sandra , they recorded some great music , considering it was'nt a funtime for MJ during that period the songs themseleves have a lot of fun and warmth to them ?
Mind you i think you can also hear sadness in some of the MJ solo songs from that Motown era ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 11, 2009, 09:29:31 AM
A classic moment:

Jackson 5 mototown 25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huFkpvc8Q60&feature=related#lq-hq)

This is still my favorite though. Love the choreography! Especially at the beginning.
The Jackson Five - I Want You Back (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVSYJXpD2_E#lq-hq)

On a side note, today one of my students wanted to know if Michael Jackson was a boy or a girl. They're not familiar with his music at all. When I hear them talking it's about his skin or his strange appearance. They come up with the most outrageous stuff. One kid was going around saying he had a disease that was eating his flesh. It's a shame really because a lot of their music was so good but his persona is overshadowing all of his musical accomplishments. At least with the younger generation.

Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 09:47:14 AM
This is another favourite from the Jackson 5 CD i bought the other day "Hum Along And Dance"  it reminds me of  Rave music ? very funky and  contemporary sounding  8)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xRcmIDj2cc#)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 11, 2009, 10:15:15 AM
^^^^ This is the Rave song "Hum Along And Dance" remainds me of think it's the organ/ keyboard sound that are similar and the spoken words in each song ?
The Sister Bliss song is one i used to get off my head too , when i was a naughty boy in the early 90's and a bit of a Raver  ;D

Sister Bliss - Life's a b**** Can't get a man/job Hooj mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsL2L6iDyIc#ws-lq-lq2-hq)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Jane on July 11, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
I have bought Michael Jackson Number Ones video. I am going to buy Thriller, cause I have got a vinyl in our family. Need a CD. Are you going to buy anything from Michael like me and DaveRam?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 12, 2009, 02:47:05 AM
^Having lived through the Michael phenomenon in the eighties and never buying anything THEN, I doubt I'll be buying anything now! I already have all the Jackson's stuff I like downloaded on my ipod anyway. It's funny all the people just discovering him. I didn't think he was that under the radar! ;)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Hello Goodbye on July 12, 2009, 03:06:03 AM
Same here, but all Beatles on my iPod.  ;)

I liked The Jackson 5 and The Osmonds (who sounded identical) way back then.  Michael Jackson made some great videos, but I can watch those on Youtube should I have the desire.  He was definitely on the radar screen for a good long time and made his contribution to that genre of music.  He'll be missed by many.

As for me, I prefer to remember him as one of The Jackson 5 singing and prancing around the stage in his Superfly hat.  What talent for a kid that age!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Hello Goodbye on July 12, 2009, 03:13:28 AM
During his solo career, the song and video that impressed me most was Black Or White.  He made a timeless statement.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 12, 2009, 03:14:37 AM
Same here, but all Beatles on my iPod.  ;)


As for me, I prefer to remember him as one of The Jackson 5 singing and prancing around the stage in his Superfly hat.  What talent for a kid that age!


Exactly! He was an amazing kid. I just love that hat! It's so adorable. Now when I see him dancing around in it, it just breaks my heart.

(http://images.movieeye.com/images/media_assets/R8003-14808_preview.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 12, 2009, 03:15:22 AM
During his solo career, the song and video that impressed me most was Black Or White.  He made a timeless statement.

I liked that one and Man in the Mirror. There were a few songs that showed his depth. But people wouldn't allow it for very long.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: DaveRam on July 12, 2009, 08:45:15 AM
It would be a pitty if he only becomes identified with the megga success of the 80's , i personally only like Billie Jean and Beat It , from that period and nothing much there after .
The 70's period seems much more impressive to me, he certainly recorded more material in that decade which i would say gives a better overview of his talent and that of his brothers .
A friend told me to checkout the Jacksons 1978 album Destiny which he says is a great disco album , so i've put that on my list to track down .
Can't see i would move beyond the 70's stuff , the weirdness of the 80's as a macabre fascination for me but the music pretty much leaves me cold . :)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 12, 2009, 09:25:52 PM
They're showing Michael Jackson videos on so many channels. I'm seeing ones I never knew existed. This one was so great and looks sort of recent. LOVE his dancing!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCqQ2JcQWGs#)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Sondra on July 13, 2009, 01:04:18 AM
Sorry for misspelled words: suppression with 2 "s", not one. (BTW I have noticed that very often 2 "s" is not printed)
And Caribbean with 2 "b" (not 3, lol).

It's because it has the word "ass" in it. Pretty funny.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Memorial
Post by: Hello Goodbye on July 13, 2009, 01:57:31 AM
They're showing Michael Jackson videos on so many channels. I'm seeing ones I never knew existed.

I'm sure this will go on for quite a while.