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Solo forums => John Lennon => Topic started by: Bobber on May 09, 2006, 09:33:37 AM
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Poll backs Lennon's claim to be 'bigger than Jesus'
FAMOUS Liverpool son John Lennon once controversially said the Beatles were bigger than Jesus - and a new poll seems to back up his claim.
All You Need Is Love is the greatest saying of all time, the survey found.
The title words from the Beatles hit record in the 1960s topped a list of the "greatest words" of all time. It pushed To Thine Own Self Be True into second place and All Journeys Begin With A First Step into third.
The winning saying will be commemorated on a mural being unveiled at London Luton Airport. The Bedfordshire town organised the poll through a www.greatestwords.co.uk website. More than 1,500 people originally logged on to it, creating a list of great sayings, after which a further 2,000 people voted on the list, putting them in order.
University of Luton mature art student Terry Massiah will see his painting of the winning words displayed at the airport.
Top 5 sayings: 1 All You Need Is Love; 2 To Thine Own Self Be True (Polonius in Hamlet by Shakespeare); 3 All Journeys Begin With A First Step (Confucius); 4 Never In The Field Of Human Conflict Was So Much Owed By So Many To So Few (Sir Winston Churchill); 5 Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You (Jesus Christ).
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hahaha, thats awesome.
damn you religious right! damn you indeed!!
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wanna cool link here..........http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/8410/Beatles.html
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I'm sorry, but, as a cultural impact, not maybe in the entire history but in the second half of the 20th Century, they were bigger than Jesus. I'm not comparing them as spirits or persons, just as a cultural impact.
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The people that got uptight about John's bigger than Jesus comment had their heads in the sand at the time & probably still do today.
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The people that got uptight about John's bigger than Jesus comment had their heads in the sand at the time & probably still do today.
I think they had their heads up their collective arses.
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I'm sorry, but, as a cultural impact, not maybe in the entire history but in the second half of the 20th Century, they were bigger than Jesus. I'm not comparing them as spirits or persons, just as a cultural impact.
I think that's what John tried to say but religious fanatics misquoted what he said. At that moment in time The Beatles were so big, so popular and meant more than anything else to their fans.
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Basically, The Beatles could not be bigger that Jesus. Because I am! ;D
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OH-MY-GOD, Blue Meanie, OH-MY-GOD!
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OH-MY-GOD, Blue Meanie, OH-MY-GOD!
I know, I know. Just bow down in the presence of greatness! ;D
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The Beatles were bigger than Jesus, except Ringo, who was slightly smaller.
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Well, as far as I know, Jesus only took part in one popularity poll. He lost it, Barrabas won. The Beatles won thousands of popularity polls. And who said that "Jesus never had a number one hit"?
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And who said that "Jesus never had a number one hit"?
True, but he was pretty big as a nostalgia act. "Jesus Christ Superstar", anyone?
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True, but he was pretty big as a nostalgia act. "Jesus Christ Superstar", anyone?
He's the Elvis of the Messiahs. Good live but couldn't even write his own tunes.
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;D ;D ;D
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A rare 1966 ITN documentaire popped up recently:
http://bcove.me/q6sebzn6 (http://bcove.me/q6sebzn6)
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wow bobber - thanks
that film clip is a 'must see'
so basically john's comments were 5 months old unnoticed in a magazine and this self righteous 'religious' deep south radio personality dug them up out of context to build his own radio fame off of a beatles related 'stunt'
he comes off just like certain people in american 'news' today!! . .
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he makes it pretty clear where he's coming from when he (stupidly) says that john putting down jesus would be like if an american put down the queen
( . . . i didn't know jesus was from america ! ???)
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when they show the young girls crying for the beatles it all makes sense.....
the older bible belt making a last ditch effort for the minds of their young at the hands of these godless long haired foreigners .
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this is some of the best beatles footage i've ever seen . .
and it could almost go in the george section of the forum because george is so great in the press conference ;yes
awesome post !
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wow bobber - thanks
that film clip is a 'must see'
so basically john's comments were 5 months old unnoticed in a magazine and this self righteous 'religious' deep south radio personality dug them up out of context to build his own radio fame off of a beatles related 'stunt'
he comes off just like certain people in american 'news' today!! . .
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he makes it pretty clear where he's coming from when he (stupidly) says that john putting down jesus would be like if an american put down the queen
( . . . i didn't know jesus was from america ! ???)
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when they show the young girls crying for the beatles it all makes sense.....
the older bible belt making a last ditch effort for the minds of their young at the hands of these godless long haired foreigners .
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this is some of the best beatles footage i've ever seen . .
and it could almost go in the george section of the forum because george is so great in the press conference ;yes
awesome post !
You're welcome.
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I'm a religious person and its not hard to understand what John meant at the time. He just didnt think it through before he said it. Plus, its nowhere near being true (even in the 60's at their height). I was reading over the top 5 sayings or quotes also and 'All You Need Is Love' is number one? Really? I dont think i've ever had anybody say that to me in the 41 years i've been alive. It just doesnt seem that popular or common to me, but what do I know?
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... its nowhere near being true (even in the 60's at their height). I was reading over the top 5 sayings or quotes also and 'All You Need Is Love' is number one? Really? I dont think i've ever had anybody say that to me in the 41 years i've been alive. . .
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you're right
especially because people say "jesus christ!" every time they stub their toe ha2ha
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According to John people should have been calling his name out when that happens. ;D
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First of all, John didn't say that the Beatles were "bigger" than Jesus, he said that the Beatles were more "popular", just as a fact as he could have said "television is more popular than Jesus" (this is from his own words). He didn't even mean that it was something good, he was just saying that most of people in the world don't follow Jesus, and that's true, that's why the world is going so bad. So that poll only confirms that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, but never bigger. After all, we live in the year 2011 after Jesus Christ and not in 48 after the Beatles or 71 after John Lennon.
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First of all, John didn't say that the Beatles were "bigger" than Jesus, he said that the Beatles were more "popular", just as a fact as he could have said "television is more popular than Jesus" (this is from his own words). He didn't even mean that it was something good, he was just saying that most of people in the world don't follow Jesus, and that's true, that's why the world is going so bad. So that poll only confirms that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, but never bigger. After all, we live in the year 2011 after Jesus Christ and not in 48 after the Beatles or 71 after John Lennon.
"More popular" "Bigger than"
Same thing.
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"More popular" "Bigger than"
Same thing.
Not for me and not for John too. When he explained his words he said the he didn't mean to say that the Beatles were bigger or better than Jesus or God, he just said that they were more popular, as a fact.
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The Beatles - Popular than Jesus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ6NL3iNNMs#)
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Here's a link to the original article written by Maureen Cleave for the London Evening Standard, 4 March 1966:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob/pob24.html (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob/pob24.html)
Experience has sown few seeds of doubt in him: not that his mind is closed, but it's closed round whatever he believes at the time. 'Christianity will go,' he said. 'It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me.' He is reading extensively about religion.
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Here's a link to the original article written by Maureen Cleave for the London Evening Standard, 4 March 1966:
[url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob/pob24.html[/url] ([url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob/pob24.html[/url])
Experience has sown few seeds of doubt in him: not that his mind is closed, but it's closed round whatever he believes at the time. 'Christianity will go,' he said. 'It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me.' He is reading extensively about religion.
Yes, he was talking about the fall of Christianity, or the diminution of the number of Christian people, and used the Beatles as an example, but he didn't mean that it was something good or something to be happy for. He was just talking about a fact, a sad fact.
John also said this in his Playboy interview in 1980, a couple of months before he was killed:
"People always got the image I was an anti-Christ or antireligion. I'm not. I'm a most religious fellow. I was brought up a Christian and I only now understand some of the things that Christ was saying in those parables. Because people got hooked on the teacher and missed the message."
http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/dbjypb.int3.html (http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/dbjypb.int3.html)
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It struck me as particularly perceptive of Maureen Cleave to say that John's mind 'closed round whatever he believes at the time'. Primal scream therapy, political issues, feminism, oh yes and Maharishi.....
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Beatles ever bigger as jesus poor american people ;yes
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Yes, he was talking about the fall of Christianity, or the diminution of the number of Christian people, and used the Beatles as an example, but he didn't mean that it was something good or something to be happy for. He was just talking about a fact, a sad fact.
John also said this in his Playboy interview in 1980, a couple of months before he was killed:
"People always got the image I was an anti-Christ or antireligion. I'm not. I'm a most religious fellow. I was brought up a Christian and I only now understand some of the things that Christ was saying in those parables. Because people got hooked on the teacher and missed the message."
[url]http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/dbjypb.int3.html[/url] ([url]http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/dbjypb.int3.html[/url])
the thing is,you cannot really compare the u.k with the u.s.a as a religious place,the u.s.a are(and were)far more religious than us brits are (and were).now john always said he was relating this to england,did he not?and i think for england he has since been proved right...i would easily hazard a guess that there were more households with a beatle l.p than there were houses that owned a bible.i think what john said was a fact...'we are more popular than jesus'.although it did cause a lot of bother.
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the thing is,you cannot really compare the u.k with the u.s.a as a religious place,the u.s.a are(and were)far more religious than us brits are (and were).now john always said he was relating this to england,did he not?and i think for england he has since been proved right...i would easily hazard a guess that there were more households with a beatle l.p than there were houses that owned a bible.i think what john said was a fact...'we are more popular than jesus'.although it did cause a lot of bother.
Yes, that's all true, but there's a big difference between saying "more popular than" and "bigger than"; John never meant that the Beatles were greater that Jesus and he explained it correctly.
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Yes, that's all true, but there's a big difference between saying "more popular than" and "bigger than"; John never meant that the Beatles were greater that Jesus and he explained it correctly.
Yes he did, Nowhere Man. I agree.
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It struck me as particularly perceptive of Maureen Cleave to say that John's mind 'closed round whatever he believes at the time'. Primal scream therapy, political issues, feminism, oh yes and Maharishi.....
She sized him up well, didn't she.
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Yes he did, Nowhere Man. I agree.
Ok, Hola Adiós. :)
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The Beatles were bigger than Jesus, except Ringo, who was slightly smaller.
Lol,that's so ean...but KINDA true.... ;yes