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Solo forums => Ringo Starr => Topic started by: The End on January 20, 2008, 04:58:37 PM
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I have just come back from Liverpool and I was dismayed to hear that all the good work Ringo did at the opening ceremony and at the Echo Arena's inaugural concert has been undone by the very indifferent comments he made about Liverpool and its people on the Jonathon Ross show on Friday!
All the people I spoke to were VERY disappointed with his comments and there were quite a few jokes made at his expense by some performers at the "Number One Project" concert I attended in Liverpool Echo Arena last night (Sat 19 January).
I haven't watched Ringo on the Jonathon Ross show yet so I cannot comment but I can tell you Liverpool isn't happy!
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I just watched the couple of clips on YouTube:
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1qc6RA2no
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4AOuirCx8w
Ringo was making fun of the fact that he wasn't planning to move back to Liverpool, but I didn't see anything in his remarks that should get anyone riled. He's just joking; whether you think it's effective or not is a personal judgment. Still, this is just a clip; perhaps he got offensive later? :-/
On an aside, RINGO IS TINY! He's, like, 1/3 the size of Jonathon Ross. Their embrace-- it's a Mini-Ringo! :o ;D
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b008pxk6.shtml?q=jonathan+ross&version_pid=b008pxjb&start=1&scope=iplayersearch&go=Find+Programmes&version_pid=b008pxjb
whole episode of jonathan ross ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I just watched the couple of clips on YouTube:
1 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1qc6RA2no[/url]
2 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4AOuirCx8w[/url]
Ringo was making fun of the fact that he wasn't planning to move back to Liverpool, but I didn't see anything in his remarks that should get anyone riled. He's just joking; whether you think it's effective or not is a personal judgment. Still, this is just a clip; perhaps he got offensive later? :-/
On an aside, RINGO IS TINY! He's, like, 1/3 the size of Jonathon Ross. Their embrace-- it's a Mini-Ringo! :o ;D
To understand the offence, you really have to understand the people of Liverpool (and I don't mean that in a condescending way). They are incredibly proud to have received this award because they feel they are finally getting the recognition they deserve after decades of being thought of as a joke! So now imagine one of their greatest heroes attending the opening ceromony and saying how great Liverpool is and then going on TV and totally belittling the the award and the City of Liverpool.
Would it have been so hard for Ringo to say that he missed the City and its people - even if he actually didn't - afterall, he had just headlined the Capital of Culture opening event where he had told the twenty thousand people assembled outside St George's Hall that Liverpool was "in his soul"! l
Sadly, at best Ringo has come across as a hypocrite, only out cash in on the event to help promote his new album.
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yeah after watching his Jonathan Ross interview Ringo seemed very off and not his usual self, he was almost very defensive about every Jonathan was asking him.
Apart from the whole attitude towards Liverpool the other thing that struck me was how he is all about filling his pockets, i cant remember the whole thing but it basically went
talking about the new usb album of liverpool 8
"ahh Ringo its not like the old days when we had to run home with a vinyl and make sure we didn't scratch it" - jonathan
"yeah" - ringo *laughing out loud*
" but then again it is much easier to lose" - jonathan *saying it as a joke*
then ringo just gives him a dirtyish glare
everything Jonathan said was in good humour and at times ringo seemed a little off
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It's too bad the public can't give celebs a break once in awhile for having a bad hair day ~ so to speak! I mean, Ringo is just as human as anyone, and is bound to go on the rag once in awhile.
Poor ole Richie. I wonder if he feels regretful now. He could apologize, but sometimes that just makes it worse.
Example: "bigger than Jesus" ring a bell?
Of course, I'm speaking as a damn Yankee here, too. Mayhaps the Liverpudlians are more forgiving?
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Thanks for the info, guys. That helps.
Yeah, Ringo's humor is occasionally "off". I noticed he dropped some bombs in the Carl Perkins special also; it might be his manifestation of nerves, he tries for a joke and it doesn't quite come off. This is how his interview with Ross struck me. He was trying too hard and got on this track he didn't feel he could get off of.
Or maybe he really is an arrogant ungrateful git. I'll never know the truth!
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Or maybe he really is an arrogant ungrateful git. I'll never know the truth!
Well Ringo has just joined MY forum so you will get the chance to ask him - HA, I wish! ;)
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maybe we could convince him into it...i think they got offended to easily...don't be such a bunch of stuffed shirts it's ringo not john for p*ss sakes....
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Well Ringo has just joined MY forum so you will get the chance to ask him - HA, I wish! ;)
Oh well, fat chance of that, according to this article ~
http://www.pr-inside.com/starr-hates-modern-technology-r396474.htm
Seems our little Starkey is a... *dun, dun, DUNNNN!* ...[size=14]technophobe!!! [/size]:o
*cue shrieks of dismay*
Makes me wonder if Barbara does 'puters?
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I think Ringo's getting bitter because he feels that nobody takes his music seriously. Take this forum for example. We're all supposedly large Beatle fans and yet Ringo's 'Liverpool 8' album thread has just 45 replies. Pauls 'Memory Almost Full' thread has over 500 replies. I wonder why that is? If it happens here, its got to be 90 times worse with the general public.
I agree with Ringo. He should be p*ssed off. Obviously the happy-go-lucky demeanor hasnet worked for him when it comes to selling albums, so maybe he should just become a big prick. That should at least spark some interest.
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Obviously the happy-go-lucky demeanor hasnet worked for him when it comes to selling albums, so maybe he should just become a big prick. That should at least spark some interest.
You're right - sadly, his recent comments and actions are sparking more interest than the release of his album. I doubt it's a deliberate marketing strategy though! :)
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This might work:
(http://www.beatlesfanclub.nl/images/stories/ringobumpersticker.jpg)
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I think Ringo's getting bitter because he feels that nobody takes his music seriously. Take this forum for example. We're all supposedly large Beatle fans and yet Ringo's 'Liverpool 8' album thread has just 45 replies. Pauls 'Memory Almost Full' thread has over 500 replies. I wonder why that is? If it happens here, its got to be 90 times worse with the general public.
Let's face it, Ringo doesn't make 'great' albums. Even his so called 'best' album - Ringo - is very good, but I wouldn't say great. Don't get me wrong, I like Ringo, he's a great drummer. But that's what he is - a great drummer, not a great songwriter. His albums - and I have quite a few - are largely mediocre affairs, average on production quality, but with a couple of 'corkers'. His new album doesn't seem to contain any high points, for me.
I haven't heard his comments on Johnathon Ross, so I can't comment about that. He may be bitter that he's not seen in the same light as McCartney, but then The Beatles was a long time ago, and McCartney's done so much more. If he doesn't care for Liverpool (as has been suggested), then he should not use the place to plug his album.
Anyway, MAF has been out for how long? 10 months? 45 posts for an album that's been out less than a week isn't bad, I think.
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Let's face it, Ringo doesn't make 'great' albums.
I disagree with you. I think people would realize how good they are if they would actually listen to them. 'Ringo Rama' is incredible in my opinion. So good, I place it in the top 5 slot of any of the fours solo efforts. Everybody i've ever played that album to couldnt believe it was Ringo, but since it is, it gets dismissed.
Even his so called 'best' album - Ringo - is very good, but I wouldn't say great.
'Time Takes Time', 'Vertical Man', 'Rama', 'Choose Love', and 'I Wanna Be Santa Claus' are all better than 'Ringo', but nobody will admit it because its the right thing to do to call 'Ringo' his greatest. I dare anybody to sit down with any of the albums I mentioned and listen to any one of them along with 'Ringo' and I bet you'd be surprised.
Don't get me wrong, I like Ringo, he's a great drummer. But that's what he is - a great drummer, not a great songwriter. His albums - and I have quite a few - are largely mediocre affairs, average on production quality, but with a couple of 'corkers'. His new album doesn't seem to contain any high points, for me.
I cant find faults with the production of his last 5 or so albums. Lets not judge based on 'Ringo the 4th', 'Rotogravure', or 'Stop and Smell the Roses'. This is when Ringo lost everybody.
I like the new album a lot, but I need a few more listens to failry judge it.
I haven't heard his comments on Johnathon Ross, so I can't comment about that. He may be bitter that he's not seen in the same light as McCartney, but then The Beatles was a long time ago, and McCartney's done so much more. If he doesn't care for Liverpool (as has been suggested), then he should not use the place to plug his album.
I have no idea what he said on Ross' show.
Anyway, MAF has been out for how long? 10 months? 45 posts for an album that's been out less than a week isn't bad, I think.
Come on BM. Pauls thread had 45 replies an hour after it was announced he was releasing an album. Its just the way things are. Nobody takes Ringo seriously and I think its a crime, but if nobody can be bothered to pick up one of his albums, thats the way its going to be.
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One other comment about the album 'Ringo'. At the time of its release, everybody was hungry for anything Beatles and guess what,,,,,,,,they all played on it. Its not hard to see why it was so appreciated. Its a good album with good songs and I like it, but theres more to listen to.
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If he doesn't care for Liverpool (as has been suggested), then he should not use the place to plug his album.
That has hit the nail right on the head - this is exactly the reason why the people of Liverpool are up in arms.
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I don't want to bash Ringo or for this to be my first post here...but I guess it will be anyways....
One thing I noticed in his early interviews about the title song was that he always credited it to Dave Stewart. Not just the writing but the very idea of doing a sentimental song about Liverpool. I did not think much about it at the time but now that really stands out. That it was marketing angle which he went along with.
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I don't want to bash Ringo or for this to be my first post here...but I guess it will be anyways....
One thing I noticed in his early interviews about the title song was that he always credited it to Dave Stewart. Not just the writing but the very idea of doing a sentimental song about Liverpool. I did not think much about it at the time but now that really stands out. That it was marketing angle which he went along with.
So he's using a forgotten member of the Eurythmics to pimp his single? I doubt that. I would think that its probably more due to his bitterness (still) of Mark Hudson more than anything. While 'Liverpool 8' is a decent tune and makes the most sense as the single to do something, there's still better tunes on the album. From the sounds of everything, Ringo has f***ed himself, but sometimes bad publicity is good publicity if you know what I mean.
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tkitna did you not read my post at all???
You have missed my point completely!
My point is that normally if a person sings an "autobiographical" song - They would write it themselves. Or at least have the idea to make a song like that themselves. "Liverpool 8" is a sentimental song about Ringo's hometown. But clearly he does not have strong sentimental feelings about Liverpool himself.
"Liverpool 8" is the only song on the album about his days with the Beatles. Which is always going to be the marketing hook for Ringo's solo albums. Regardless of what you believe of the quality of the song in relation to the rest of the album. If you do not realize that you are very naive.
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Didn't realise that Dave Stewart wrote the lyrics. They're terrible. Maybe he should have asked Annie Lennox to write them! ;)
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i really can't see why anyone would try to compare Ringo's latest effort with Macca's ? there isn't any competition imo, not that MAF was anything special either but at least it didn't come off as a 10 yr old rhyming any words that will go together.
I love Ringo as much as the next person but just because im a Beatles fan and a Ringo fan doesn't mean i need to have an automatic love for his music ?
theres nothing interesting going on vocally, musically or lyrically
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tkitna did you not read my post at all???
You have missed my point completely!
My point is that normally if a person sings an "autobiographical" song - They would write it themselves. Or at least have the idea to make a song like that themselves. "Liverpool 8" is a sentimental song about Ringo's hometown. But clearly he does not have strong sentimental feelings about Liverpool himself.
"Liverpool 8" is the only song on the album about his days with the Beatles. Which is always going to be the marketing hook for Ringo's solo albums. Regardless of what you believe of the quality of the song in relation to the rest of the album. If you do not realize that you are very naive.
My bad. I was not in my right mind when I read your post.
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i really can't see why anyone would try to compare Ringo's latest effort with Macca's ? there isn't any competition imo, not that MAF was anything special either but at least it didn't come off as a 10 yr old rhyming any words that will go together.
Dance Tonight
Everybody gonna dance tonight
Everybody gonna feel alright
Everybody gonna dance around tonight
Everybody gonna dance around
Everybody gonna hit the ground
Everybody gonna dance around tonight
(Chorus)
Well you can come on to my place if you want to
You can do anything you want to do
Everybody gonna dance tonight
Everybody gonna feel alright
Everybody gonna dance around tonight
Next!
theres nothing interesting going on vocally, musically or lyrically
I guess i'm the only one that likes the album on this site. Well, I bought it, I listen to it, and I enjoy it. Maybe i'm musically retarded, but thanks for setting me straight that theres absolutely nothing decent about the entire album.
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Re: Dance Tonight lyrics
*awards point to Tkitna*
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Re: Dance Tonight lyrics
*awards point to Tkitna*
HH, I swear to god that we're the only two people on this site that likes Ringo.
(PC too)
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Dance Tonight
Everybody gonna dance tonight
Everybody gonna feel alright
Everybody gonna dance around tonigh
Everybody gonna dance around
Everybody gonna hit the ground
Everybody gonna dance around tonight
(Chorus)
Well you can come on to my place if you want to
You can do anything you want to do
Everybody gonna dance tonight
Everybody gonna feel alright
Everybody gonna dance around tonight
Next!
I guess i'm the only one that likes the album on this site. Well, I bought it, I listen to it, and I enjoy it. Maybe i'm musically retarded, but thanks for setting me straight that theres absolutely nothing decent about the entire album.
yeah dance tonight is a shocker ive said that over and over in the MAF threads so i cant argue with that, but it gives poor impression of what the rest of the album is going to sound like.
and no everyone has there own taste in music i like bands that none of my friends would listen too.
I think Ringo's getting bitter because he feels that nobody takes his music seriously. Take this forum for example. We're all supposedly large Beatle fans and yet Ringo's 'Liverpool 8' album thread has just 45 replies. Pauls 'Memory Almost Full' thread has over 500 replies. I wonder why that is? If it happens here, its got to be 90 times worse with the general public.
I agree with Ringo. He should be p*ssed off. Obviously the happy-go-lucky demeanor hasnet worked for him when it comes to selling albums, so maybe he should just become a big prick. That should at least spark some interest.
i was just saying that just because were all Beatles fans and Ringo fans doesn't mean we need to have some sort of blind love for all his releases.
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I guess i'm the only one that likes the album on this site. Well, I bought it, I listen to it, and I enjoy it. Maybe i'm musically retarded, but thanks for setting me straight that theres absolutely nothing decent about the entire album.
No, you're not alone. I think Ringo's new album is great. Paul's album was great too. Where's the problem?
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i was just saying that just because were all Beatles fans and Ringo fans doesn't mean we need to have some sort of blind love for all his releases.
I hear you and understand, but the point that I am poorly attempting to make is that a ton of people dont even give it a chance to judge if its anygood. I just think a bunch of people would be pleasently surprised with a lot of Ringo stuff out there.
Anyways, i'm off my soapbox and i'll cease my Ringo crusade.
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No, you're not alone. I think Ringo's new album is great. Paul's album was great too. Where's the problem?
No problem at all Zipp. Your absolutely right.
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HH, I swear to god that we're the only two people on this site that likes Ringo.
(PC too)
I don't remember anyone saying they don't like Ringo. Some of us don't like his new album. So what? We don't all like the same things. We should be allowed to critisise if we want to, regardless of whether it's an ex-Beatle's album or not. That's one of the things you can't do on most Beatles forums, and I'd hate to see this place go that way.