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Solo forums => John Lennon => Topic started by: tkitna on May 20, 2004, 04:54:31 PM
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Erm.....?
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because... yes is the answer, and you know that is true ;)
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For sure ;D
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Are you referring to the little "yes" on the ceiling at Yoko's art exhibition in the Indica Gallery?
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[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1085072071,s=4 date=1085077755]Are you referring to the little "yes" on the ceiling at Yoko's art exhibition in the Indica Gallery?[/quote]
lol, that's exactly what I tought at first. I'm not sure if that's what he's referring though
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That's got to be what TK is referring to, Bruno.
Nice one, TK.
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[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1085072071,s=6 date=1085084329]That's got to be what TK is referring to, Bruno.
Nice one, TK.[/quote]
Thank You Ria! I've just always wondered "What If"?
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What if? History as we know it would have completely changed!!!! She's evil. ;)
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ripoff also would have sent him out the door if I remember correctly.
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[quote by=Maccalvr link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1085072071,s=8 date=1085190279]What if? History as we know it would have completely changed!!!! She's evil. ;)[/quote]
It was his destiny.
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Destiny sucks!
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John was really happy with Yoko though.....so if it meant no Beatles to us, it meant pure happiness for him.
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Yeah, I mean its his life not ours. He was happy with her, so our complaints don't really matter.
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Maybe John is Illiterate and it said "i'ma take your money"
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ed....WAKE UP
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I may be the only Beatle fan in here who doesn't think Yoko is evil. Strange, yes. Acquired taste, absolutely. Bonkers somewhat, sure. Maybe she made some mistakes with Julian, which is not something I overlook nor something I know about personally so I kind of just have it there in my subconscious as a reason why Yoko's kind of 50/50 with me.
But I really, sincerely feel that Yoko and John had a beautiful love. I think they were two of the most inspiring and fascinating couples in history. I think, truthfully, people are intimidated by strong women so they have to refer to those who actually become more notorious as "not god" or "evil."
She didn't break up the Beatles, people. Come on! I certainly don't want to start anything, but I kind of think John had more to do with the actualy break-up than Ms. Ono. I also never thought he was p*$$y-whipped, if you catch my drift, by Yoko. I think he liked the idea of sharing a union with someone who he had an intellectual and idealistic connection with, and that they bounced stuff off each other. He seemed to always want to play fair and give her credit for things she influenced him with, and even Yoko said he would give her MORE credit sometimes because she was dogged so much it hurt him.
I really think John most certainly wore the pants in that relationship, Yoko could be manipulative, but she wasn't evil and she didn't break up his band.
That's just my opinion. I actually never even think about it because I've come around to liking Yoko very much as of late. She seems like a really cool lady. :)
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I happen to agree with you! :)
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I agree. I've never disliked yoko or thought she broke up the Beatles. I think john would have left the group sooner or later anyway. I'm sure she had some influence on him, such as bag-ins and some of the other strange things they did, but i don't believe she was out to break up the group or make him leave them.
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I think that although a lot of people hated her, John was right, forget them because he loved her and he was happy with her and that's all that mattered. If it wouldn't have said yes, who knows what the world would be like now.
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Do you think John would be alive?
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So why do the other three Beatles seem to dislike her so much? I'm not saying she's the reason or anything and when I say she's evil it's a joke. A very old joke ya know. But I do wonder why the other three had issues with her.
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because she was always there and John let her "sing".
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I'm sure she's a very cool person. But at the time I think they were both a little nuts.
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But maybe they were sane to each other. Maybe it's other people who think they were "nuts" because what John and Yoko were doing seemed so insane and ridiculous. But to them it seemed to make sense, and it mattered, or else I just don't think there would be a point for them to do it. For attention? Why, when most of it was negative and they didn't seem to appreciate the negativity in the first place.
As for the other three Beatles dismay towards Yoko? I don't see how that should configure towards the ultimate perception of her as a person. I'm sure there are people who don't like me, but I certainly wouldn't consider it fair for supperters of those people to also dislike me for no other reason than the fact that their friends don't care for me. G and P seemed to be the ones most distraught by her, and they would be considering how she up and becae a massive part of John's life, to the point that he started blocking other things out of it.
But that is not entirely her fault. Let me assure you I am not trying to disagree with everything being said against Yoko. I do actually agree with some things, but the fact that the other Beatles didn't care for her doesn't really correlate, to me. I don't consider their judgments the end all be all, neither do I consider John's.
Didn't George also eventually warm to her? Yoko spent some time at Friar Park and is actually a good friend of Olivia's. I think the times called for every one being a little ill-at-ease, and I don't really blame any of them for that. Ringo was always the most easygoing, though. Bless his heart. :)
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I agree with everybodys opinion except -
I feel she wore the pants in that relationship. She was the boss, but hey,,,my wife is the same way.
I dont dislike her, but I still wonder what may have happened. It could have been said about any of the other mates too, I suppose.
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I agree with everything everyones said. I think she should have kept her place in the relationship and let the Beatles do their own thing.. :( It's a shame
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[quote by=broady link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1085072071,s=26 date=1089434497]I agree with everything everyones said. I think she should have kept her place in the relationship and let the Beatles do their own thing.. :( It's a shame[/quote]
She was an intrusion on their work world. But JOHN is the one to blame, He used her as a passive/aggressive wedge to ultimately break away from the group. HE is the one who brought her to the sessions.
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I agree 100% with Mr. Charlie, despite my point being made into several paragraphs of posts and him saying everything in just two sentences.
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[quote by=Runforyourlife link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1085072071,s=28 date=1089487937] I agree 100% with Mr. Charlie, despite my point being made into several paragraphs of posts and him saying everything in just two sentences.[/quote]
Hm.
Then it must have been ME agreeing 100% with YOU.
;D
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JOHN wouldn't have neded up wioth Yoko if that little painting on the ceiling had said "NO". Oh, what a pity! JOHN would have been mine!!!
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LENNON: "Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because... f*** you, brother and sister... you don't know what's happening. I'm not here for you. I'm here for me and her and the baby!"
From the horse's mouth. Playboy, 12-80.
Of course he then went on to say this:
LENNON: "It is a teacher-pupil relationship. That's what people don't understand. She's the teacher and I'm the pupil. I'm the famous one, the one who's supposed to know everything, but she's my teacher. She's taught me everything I f***ing know. She was there when I was nowhere, when I was the nowhere man. She's my Don Juan." (a reference to Carlos Castaneda's Yaqui Indian teacher) "That's what people don't understand. I'm married to f***ing Don Juan, that's the hardship of it. Don Juan doesn't have to laugh; Don Juan doesn't have to be charming; Don Juan just is. And what goes on around Don Juan is irrelevant to Don Juan."
So who knows? Good old contradictory Johnnie. sigh
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And do you really think JOHN deep inside would like to be married to a Don Juan? I don't think so...
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No one knows WHAT John thought. That's the problem.
And he did indeed stay married to Don Juan, for 11 years. So my answer would have to be Yes.
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Well, there would be much to talk about this. But JOHN was a man and I think he very much preferred to haveing been married to a Doña María. ;)
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I'm sorry, I think I've used some Spanish letters and they are not recognizeable. Anyway...
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And do you really think JOHN deep inside would like to be married to a Don Juan?
THAT'S a really good point!
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LENNON: "Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because... f*** you, brother and sister... you don't know what's happening. I'm not here for you. I'm here for me and her and the baby!"
Thank you. I often like to use this quote too when "fans" come down on Yoko. I can't understand how any fan of John Lennon could swipe at Yoko when it's obvious that she's the one he wanted and who gave him incredible strength, inspiration and fulfillment.