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Beatles forums => Albums => Topic started by: Rowdy on July 12, 2004, 04:17:46 AM
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Here's My List:
1. It Won't Be Long
2. All I've Got to Do
3. All My Loving
4. You've Really Got A Hold On Me
5. Don't Bother Me
6. Not A Second Time
7. Till There Was You
8. Please Mr. Postman
9. Roll Over Beethoven
10. I Wanna Be Your Man
11. Hold Me Tight
12. Little Child
13. Money (That's What I Want)
14. Devil in Her Heart
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1. All My Loving
2. It Wont Be Long
3. Hold Me Tight
4. Dont Bother Me
5. Devil In Her Heart
6. Roll Over Beethoven
7. Little Child
8. You Really Got a Hold On Me
9. All Ive Got To Do
10. Please Mr Postman
11. Tilltheresyou
12. Not A Second Time
13. Money
14. I Wanna Be Your Man
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I absolutely love this LP!!!!! ;D
1. All I've Got to Do
2. Not A Second Time
3. Little Child
4. Please Mr. Postman
5. Roll Over Beethoven
6. Money (That's What I Want)
7. It Won't Be Long
8. You've Really Got A Hold On Me
9. All My Loving
10. Don't Bother Me
11. Hold Me Tight
12. Devil in Her Heart
13. I Wanna Be Your Man
14. Till There Was You
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My favorite Beatles Album!
Believe it or not, I loooove DON'T BOTHER ME
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It wont be long
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Every single one of them, it's one of my top 3 fav. Beatles albums!
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It won't be long, all I've got to do, and the cover Please Mr Postman. :)
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it would be easier to pick a fight with mike tyson than pick a favorite song off this album.
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"Till There Was You"
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It Won't Be Long
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Don't Bother Me ... I'm talking about the song, ... nothing personal! LOL
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Don't Bother Me is my favourite off that album.
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1. Little Child
2.It Won't Be Long
3. Hold Me Tight
4. Please Mister Postman
5. Dont Bother Me
6. I Wanna Be Your Man
7. Roll Over Beethoven
8. Devil In Her Heart
9. All My Loving
10. All I Gotta Do
11. You've Really Got A Hold On Me
12. Money (That's What I Want)
13. Not A Second Time
14. Till There Was You
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With The Beatles is really quite an acceptinoal album, comparable to A Hard Days Night
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1. It Won't Be Long
2. Not A Second Time
3. Don't Bother Me
4. I Wanna Be Your Man
5. All I've Got to Do
6. Devil in Her Heart
7. All My Loving
8. You've Really Got A Hold On Me
9. Till There Was You
10. Hold Me Tight
11. Please Mr. Postman
12. Roll Over Beethoven
13. Money (That's What I Want)
14. Little Child
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Don't Bother Me
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All I've Got To Do
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Don't Bother Me
Mine too! :)
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Might have answered this before but...
All I've Got To Do
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Mine too! :)
Especially his early takes and his quiet count-in, raxo.
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Don't Bother Me ... I'm talking about the song, ... nothing personal! LOL
... and his demos! :)
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Not A Second Time & All I've Got To Do.
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EASILY All My Loving.
This is altogether a very weak album.
Here's how I would rank the songs:
1. All My Loving
2. I Wanna Be Your Man
3. Hold Me Tight
4. Money (That's What I Want)
5. You Really Got A Hold On Me
6. Please Mr. Postman
7. Roll Over Beethoven
8. Till There Was You
9. Devil In Her Heart
10. Little Child
11. It Won't Be Long
12. Don't Bother Me
13. Not A Second Time
14. All I've Got To Do
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This is altogether a very weak album.
You are altogether wrong!!!!
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This is altogether a very weak album.
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I agree ... my ranking:
1. Guys For Sale
2. Abbey Road
3. Let It Be
4. The Guys
5. Please Please Me
6. Revolver
7. Rubber Soul
8. Yellow Submarine
9. Help!
10. Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
11. Magical Mystery Tour
12. A Hard Days Night
13. With The Guys
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I can understand it not being some peoples favourite, being from the dark ages of 1963, but to call it "weak."!!!!! IMO it's a superb album, a huge step up from Please Please Me, the first indication of their true genius and far more coherent and pleasing than the ditherings of For Sale and Help!
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I think Please Please Me was joyfull and with energy ... originals are superb and only a couple of covers sounds aw-full to me: A Taste Of Honey and Boys ... but in With The Guys we've got:
Little Child, Hold Me Tight and I Wanna Be Your Man ... nothing special on those (terrible, some) ... and I don't want to talk about the covers ....
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All I've Got To Do is my favourite on With the Beatles
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I think Please Please Me was joyfull and with energy ... originals are superb and only a couple of covers sounds aw-full to me: A Taste Of Honey and Boys ... but in With The Guys we've got:
Little Child, Hold Me Tight and I Wanna Be Your Man ... nothing special on those (terrible, some) ... and I don't want to talk about the covers ....
The covers are better than those on Beatles For Sale.
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Curio-us to me ...
Let's take a view to their ... their classic covers? (I mean those that they performed on stage during most of their tours and gigs) ... and to the weird ones too ...
from Please Please Me :
1. Twist And Shout (John) (Hamburg till the end)
... and no more 'cos Boys was played just a few times ...
from Wth The Guys:
1. Roll Over Beethoven (George) (Hamburg till mid 60s)
2. Money (That's All I Want) (John) (lots of times)
... and no more 'cos Till There Was You and You Really Got A Hold On Me (on stage by late 63 ... till mid 64?)
from Guys For Sale:
1. Rock And Roll Music (John)
2. Kansas City/Hey, Hey, Hoy, Hey (Paul)
3. Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby (George)
... all of these well-known classics till the end ...
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They also loved obscure covers, didn't they ...
from Please Please Me could be:
Chains, A Taste Of Honey, Anna (Go To Him)
from Wth The Guys:
Devil In Her Heart, Till There Was You
from Guys For Sale:
Mr. Moonlight, Words Of Love
What I'm trying to say is that they recorded some classics and some obscure covers on each album till mid-60s: Rubber Soul, right? (except for A Hard Day's Night -because they cheated including the 4 songs of the singles, ... they'd only got 9 songs for that album, only one more than usual-) ...
... but it seems that the album that contains the most classics of their repertoire and the less-east weird ones is precisalley Guys For Sale ...
... a different thing is if you like those covers ... but at least those audiences seemed to do it ... and The Guys them-helves (how many times John, Paul and George played Rock And Roll Music (John), Kansas City/Hey, Hey, Hoy, Hey (Paul) and Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby (George)?) ...
After all, their original songs on With The Guys are not as great as the ones on other albums and that's the week-east point for it ...
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We seem to disagree on almost every point on this one.
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It's just a matter of taste, after all ... but I was trying to find some facts ... or common points ... or objective statements ... or whatever! in order to see if we can agree in something (anything!) about this one ... or just see something about it in the same way ... but it seems we can't :-/ ...
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"We can agree to differ."
(http://beatleshelp.50megs.com/summary/caps/07_clangsit.jpg)
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You have to remember what sort of music was around in 1963 - With The Beatles was a breath of fresh air. And don't forget, most of these tracks broke The Beatles in America. Even the Times' music correspondent raved about the album on its release, so it is extremely unfair to look back on this LP in hindsight and rip it to shreds!!!!
Nothing special?
True, it was just the start of something amazing but they entered the game on top!
I've never understood how Beatles fans can disregard any one LP (especially their first 3 or 4) - yes, we can have favourites, but i would think a fan of the group would at least have an appreciation of all of their releases. To just say that you don't think this album is any good or is weak is just crazy.
This album was already an almighty leap from Please Please Me - just 3 years later they began recording Strawberry Fields Forever!!!
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You have to remember what sort of music was around in 1963 - With The Beatles was a breath of fresh air. And don't forget, most of these tracks broke The Beatles in America. Even the Times' music correspondent raved about the album on its release, so it is extremely unfair to look back on this LP in hindsight and rip it to shreds!!!!
Nothing special?
True, it was just the start of something amazing but they entered the game on top!
I've never understood how Beatles fans can disregard any one LP (especially their first 3 or 4) - yes, we can have favourites, but i would think a fan of the group would at least have an appreciation of all of their releases. To just say that you don't think this album is any good or is weak is just crazy.
This album was already an almighty leap from Please Please Me - just 3 years later they began recording Strawberry Fields Forever!!!
I like it ... but one of all those has to be down in my ranking, OK? ... and this one is the weak-east of all in my opinion ... their originals were not as good as most of the ones on Please Please Me and of course A Hard Day's Night ...
I was trying to say that there were 2-3 originals that were not as good as some of the songs they rejected by that time (One After 909, You Know What To Do some months later ...) and I think the albums includes some of the worst covers they ever made ... but that's only a comparasion with the rest of their work ... nothing else!
About the America thing: ... for them this (well, the re-make Meet The Guys) was "the album" 'cos they couldn't find any other material ... but the songs that socked them were: Twist And Shout, I Want To Hold Your Hand, She Loves You, Can't Buy Me Love, Please Please Me, I Saw Her Standing There and many more that are not included on With The Guys (but on -the different and quite better- Meet The Guys) ... you can say All My Loving and some covers like Roll Over Beethoven, Money ... and maybe Till There Was You and Please Mr Postman ... but that's all ... so it was all their 1963 stuff that made it ... not only this album ...
... for me there's not a big step forward looking at Please Please Me ... their originals are more or less at the same level on both albums and the covers too ... A Hard Day's Night and Guys For Sale are a different thing ...
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We have to agree to wildly differ on this as it's one of my favourite albums and favourite sons!!
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MAN, I LIKE IT!!! ... but it's not one of my favourite ones ... I like Please Please Me more for example: its production too ... but I admit it's good for that period ... and it includes the first Harrisonsong and the first this-tune-is-for-Ringo ... that was an improvement!!! :D :P ;D
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My objection is to people saying it is a weak album, that's all. :)
Good little debate there. :)
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For me it's only the weak-east by them ... but you can easilly imagine that that's a great cumpliment, after all ... if you know what I mean ... Don't Bother Me and Not A Second Time are among the best songs they produced during Guymania in my opinion ... and they were tasting things that early ... good point for them there ...
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I miss more piano and keyboards parts on it ... they were shy (insecure) till Guys For Sale and Help! (A Hard Day's Night was more about acoustic guitars and all that) ...
... at least they began to build different vocal arrangements (it was Yeah-yeah-yeah- time, after all)
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screw that the best tune is all my loving followed by till there was you....all i got to do is a stand out but for the money this is a paul stand out album...i think till there was you and all my loving are classic paul ballads....hes quite a balladeer....i can say that here right????
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Yep, I think Till There Was You and specially All My Loving were beloved and hit over there ...
... if we forget the covers (Money and specially Roll Over Beethoven) the rest of the originals (except I Wanna Be Your Man and maybe It Won't Be Long) are not exactly made for stage (Not A Second Time, Don't Bother Me, All I've Got To Do, Little Child and Hold Me Tight are quite rare in their faces on stage... d'you know what I mean?) ...
... at least they didn't play them a lot ... they used more of their early stuff and all-time covers for their tours ...
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Broadly speaking, The Beatles mainly played their hit singles - remember they only played for 30 minutes and people expected to hear their hits.
Remember I said "broadly speaking" - I am aware of Yesterday, All My Loving, Things We Said Today, Nowhere Man, etc, but mainly they concentrated on their hits.
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In my humble opinion, a classic song is a song that has stand up against the time. If I take a look at the covers on With The Beatles... There's Money, You Really Got A Hold On Me, Please Mr Postman, Till There Was You, Roll Over Beethoven and Devil In Her Heart. I think that these songs, with the exception of Devil In Her Heart, are classics in the way The Beatles played them. Comparing to Beatles For Sale (for that's how the album's called): Rock And Roll Music, Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey, Mr Moonlight, Honey Don't, Words Of Love and Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby. From this album there's only two songs that can be called classic: Rock And Roll Music and Kansas City. The other covers are not as strong as the ones on With The Beatles.
The End spoke about the time in which With The Beatles appeared. I heard Cliff Richard's Bachelor Boy on the radio today. It's from 1963 as well. Compare that to what The Beatles did the same year... If I were Cliff, I had ended my carreer immediately.
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The End spoke about the time in which With The Beatles appeared. I heard Cliff Richard's Bachelor Boy on the radio today. It's from 1963 as well. Compare that to what The Beatles did the same year... If I were Cliff, I had ended my carreer immediately.
Absolutely - that was my point exactly! :)
Pop artists were manufactured back in those days too and Tin Pan Alley supplied most of the hits for those artists... until the Beatles blew all of that out of the water in 1963!
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I think Bobber's hit the nail on the head there.
When I listen to music from 65 onwards I have lots of points of reference to what people were listening to in those days.
But for 1963 I have really nothing. I can't think of any other rock/pop album from that year that I've sat through, and precious little is played on the radio. When people tell me Please Please Me was a breath of fresh air I just have to take their word for it.
Has anyone sat through A Cliff, or Gerry Marsden album from '63?
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In my humble opinion, a classic song is a song that has stand up against the time. If I take a look at the covers on With The Beatles... There's Money, You Really Got A Hold On Me, Please Mr Postman, Till There Was You, Roll Over Beethoven and Devil In Her Heart. I think that these songs, with the exception of Devil In Her Heart, are classics in the way The Beatles played them. Comparing to Beatles For Sale (for that's how the album's called): Rock And Roll Music, Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey, Mr Moonlight, Honey Don't, Words Of Love and Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby. From this album there's only two songs that can be called classic: Rock And Roll Music and Kansas City. The other covers are not as strong as the ones on With The Beatles.
The End spoke about the time in which With The Beatles appeared. I heard Cliff Richard's Bachelor Boy on the radio today. It's from 1963 as well. Compare that to what The Beatles did the same year... If I were Cliff, I had ended my carreer immediately.
Money, You Really Got A Hold On Me, Please Mr Postman, Till There Was You, Roll Over Beethoven and Devil In Her Heart ...
... I can only consider Money, You Really Got A Hold On Me and Roll Over Beethovenreal classics (Till There Was You was a fetish) ... but they played more times the three classics from Guys For Sale I said above than Roll Over Beethoven or Money (the others from With The Guys were seldom played on stage) so I think that they (and the audiences) loved them more too ...
... their singles were their point in 1963 ... much better than their contemporaries, of course, but I'm not comparing the covers they made with the ones others made 'cos I think there were a lot of people mainly covering and their choices should have been good too ... that was their job ... covering Motown you've got half of the thing done ... it was not too difficult ... but of course there were some excceptions ...
... I'm talking about their catologue (is that talking about time too?) and for me the whole album is week-er than Please Please Me and Guys For Sale (the others with 6 covers) ... 'cos of the originals ... the covers were always half classics and half their own favourite obscure B-sides singles ...
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Broadly speaking, The Beatles mainly played their hit singles - remember they only played for 30 minutes and people expected to hear their hits.
Remember I said "broadly speaking" - I am aware of Yesterday, All My Loving, Things We Said Today, Nowhere Man, etc, but mainly they concentrated on their hits.
... and some originals: Baby's In Black, I'm A Loser, I Wanna Be Your Man, You Can't Do That, ...
... and lots of covers: Long Tall Sally, Twist And Shout, Rock And Roll Music, Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby, Kansas City, Money, Roll Over Beethoven, ... even You Really Got A Hold On Me, Boys ...
They used to play 11-12 songs and about 3-4 were covers and they used to play another 1-2 songs that were not on singles or hits ... so near half of the stuff was not exactly hits ... so I can see they"broadly speaking" mainly played their hits ... there were some hits in the list but it's obvious 'cos they've got a lot! :)
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R-ax-o, Honey Don't and Words Of Love were never played live on stage in the days of Beatlemania. The fact that certain songs were played on stage more than others, might have nothing to do with loving these songs or not. The audience didn't care what they were playing for a start, and The Beatles themselves might have chosen the ones they knew best. But after all, noboby really cared what they were playing, including The Beatles, for nobody couldn't hear a thing.
I'm not too sure if their originals are worse or better than Please Please Me or Beatles For Sale (I think you mean that one). Love Me Do, PS I Love You, Do You Want To Know A Secret, Misery... not particularly great songs in my opinion. Please Please Me, There's A Place, Ask Me Why, I Saw Her Standing There are fine. It Won't Be Long, All I've Got To Do, All My Loving, Not A Second Time, Hold Me Tight and you even pick Don't Bother Me as your favourite: I think the combination of songs on With The Beatles is stronger than that on Please Please Me. The originals on Beatles For Sale are class... But we've discussed Beatles For Sale before...
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R-ax-o, Honey Don't and Words Of Love were never played live on stage in the days of Beatlemania. The fact that certain songs were played on stage more than others, might have nothing to do with loving these songs or not. The audience didn't care what they were playing for a start, and The Beatles themselves might have chosen the ones they knew best. But after all, noboby really cared what they were playing, including The Beatles, for nobody couldn't hear a thing.
I'm not too sure if their originals are worse or better than Please Please Me or Beatles For Sale (I think you mean that one). Love Me Do, PS I Love You, Do You Want To Know A Secret, Misery... not particularly great songs in my opinion. Please Please Me, There's A Place, Ask Me Why, I Saw Her Standing There are fine. It Won't Be Long, All I've Got To Do, All My Loving, Not A Second Time, Hold Me Tight and you even pick Don't Bother Me as your favourite: I think the combination of songs on With The Beatles is stronger than that on Please Please Me. The originals on Beatles For Sale are class... But we've discussed Beatles For Sale before...
I've never said Honey Don't and Words Of Love were ever played on stage during the Guymania ... Mr. Moonlight either ... I was refering to the trio: R'N'R, Kansas, Everybody's ... all of them played in countless cases and surely among The Guys' all-time favourites ...
If The Guys didn't care the songs they were playing on stage why did they change them on tours and gigs? ... and why didn't they play more originals if they were trying to do albums with only originals? ... ??)
... at least the audience knew their covers so if a mistake appeared it would be more embarrasing than with originals ... I'm sure that the people near stage could hear them (badly, but enough) ... there were concerts and concerts ... some of them with such a huge mass of people that made it all impossible but there were some occasions were they were recorded with enogh sound quality ...
... I admit that they included more standards covers on With The Guys than on Please Please Me (let's forget Guys For Sale, if you wanted) but I can see more possible hits among Love Me Do, I Saw Her Standing There, Ask Me Why, There's A Place and Misery than among All My Loving, It Won't Be Long, I Wanna Be Your Man, Little Child, Hold Me Tight ... but that's a different story, I guess ... :)
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Ok, so maybe "weak" is too strong a term. Maybe "The Beatles' weakest" is a more proper term.
Yes, because I believe ALL other albums the Beatles released are better than this one. Looking at the others and then hearing this, it just sounds mediocre. Not one of their best efforts.
But what is more surprising about the Beatles is that since they never sounded bad, even their worst album is great. Indeed, With The Beatles is great, but as a Beatles fan, I've learned to appreciate more exquisite music.
At the time, it was probably was the best album ever. But that was at the time. Right now, I myself do not appreciate it as much as any of their other albums.
I admit: It is a great album. All songs actually sound pretty good. It was probably amongst the best, or maybe even THE best album when it was released.
I believe: It is their worst album. Altogether, it doesn't sound as good as any of their other songs.
Here's how I would rank their studio albums:
1. The Beatles ("The White Album")
2. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
3. Revolver
4. Magical Mystery Tour
5. Abbey Road
6. Rubber Soul
7. Let It Be
8. Beatles For Sale
9. Help!
10. A Hard Day's Night
11. Please Please Me
12. With The Beatles
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I still don't consider it weak in the slightest - and I don't think I'm I'm alone in that opinion, just ask the Times music critic!!!!
Personally speaking, I don't particularly like Abbey Road - but just because I hold that opinion does not mean I consider it to be weaker a effort.
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Was that Times music critic from 1963 and for With The Guys or for Meet The Guys -the last one was much butter-? ... after all, by that time, critics had not got much stuff to compare with and their standards were ... ::)
Abbey Road was the big-guest effort!!! 8)
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I know I go on about this, but MMT is not a "proper" studio album.
It's not fair to rank With The Beatles against an album containing #1 singles, b-sides and EP tracks compliled by some AR man in Capitol records.
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... and if we're ranking that double EP (that's why MMT it's so down in my ranking :-/ ) as if we're doing with the A-side from Yellow Submarine ... (tho I'm considering the whole Yellow Sumarine) ... :)
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... and if we're ranking that double EP (that's why MMT it's so down in my ranking :-/ ) as if we're doing with the A-side from Yellow Submarine ... (tho I'm considering the whole Yellow Sumarine) ... :)
Point. But if we're including EP's as albums, then shouldn't we being including Long Tall Sally (for instance?).
Yellow Sub - I can't make my mind up. If MMT is an EP that should have been an album, then YS is an album that should have been an EP. I don't believe The Beatles recorded those songs with the intention of YS being considered an "album" as such. So I wouldn't include it in my rankings.
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I've included the songs of Magical Mystery Tour as they are: material by them that is not on singles ... we usually think in albums and singles terms so where should MMT be included? ...
... about Yellow Submarine, I think that they were deciding about what was going to be released under their names ('67 on-wars US-er market example) so I think they considered it as a soundtrack ... the thing they mightn't control-lead is the date ... being released The Guys so soon! ...
... but some months later they released Get Back and The Ballad Of John And Yoko singles very close, so things -again- were not so strict ... (after all they began a new album six weeks later, in January: the Get Back project)
P.S. Long Tall Sally was an EP with three covers and one original ... I consider it nearer to a single ... (I think that Long Tall Sally covers were among the ones meant to be on A Hard Day's Night LP ... but they cheated by including all the 4 songs of its singles in the album -a thing they didn't with I Feel Fine and Guys For Sale that same year- ... so they released the first EP with new material in their carreer ... it seems that they needed to do that: to released covers!!! 8) ) ... they continued recording covers that summer: Leave My Kitten Alone ... they seems to be addicts!!! LOL! ;D
But as I said so many times before: things were not so strict: they released many (famo-us) singles included on albums:
Love Me Do and Please Please Me
Can't Buy Me Love and A Hard Day's Night
Help! and Ticket To Ride (A-sides)
Yellow Submarine
I Am The Walrus (as a B-side)
the re-make of Revolution
Come Together/Something
Let It Be (A-side) and (in US The Long And Winding Road, tho I doubt they want it that way 'cos in that market Eight Days A Week and some others were released too)
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At the time, it was probably was the best album ever. But that was at the time.
I believe: It is their worst album.
That's a contradiction. Please Please Me was out as well at the time With The Beatles was realised.
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I see no contradiction ...
... if they used to release one album in summer and another one in autumn: were they releasing albums at the (same) time? ... if so why to think they were hurrying up recording one album for Xmas (Guys For Sale on mind) if it was usual for them to do such a thing? ... there could be a contradiction ...
... there's a time from March 22nd 1963 till November 22nd 1963 (8 months, half a lifetime for The Guys: three years later they were recording Strawberry Fields Forever) ... certainly more than their usual time during the Guymania:
A Hard Day's Night - Guys For Sale (5 months)
Help! - Rubber Soul (only 4 months!!! :o ... but we can see some differences between, can't we? ... even Wait was good enough 4 months later! :D ... that's what I could call "searching for any new material in the vaults for an album" ... :) )
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By the way, what is this "Guys For Sale" album you keep mentioning???? Never heard of it!
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It has to be a rare bootleg then!
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Money is my favorite song off WTB. It seems more Beatles than some of the originals.
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Greatly enjoying this forum with your different opinions. I'm responding even though it's been so long since anyone has posted to this thread. Maybe I'm talking to no one here but myself. But that's okay, because I'm enjoying listening to "with the beatles" right now.
Can't pick just one favorite song from "with the beatles", but I really love "It Won't Be Long", "Don't Bother Me", and "Till There Was You".
Just below my to top three picks, I also love "All I've Got To Do" and "All My Loving".
As I am listening, I am writing. I'm not skipping any tracks. That's the one attribute the Beatles possess for me that only a handful of other artists also have. I usually don't skip any Beatles songs when listening to one of their albums. "You've Really Got A Hold On Me" just started playing. Hey, I like it!
"with the beatles" is a wonderful album. One way to judge "with the beatles" is to put it into the context of the times and the popular music of 1963. "with the beatles" was a breath of fresh air.
Here's a sample of what else I was listening to on A.M. radio in 1963. " Louie Louie - The Kingsmen", "Up On The Roof - Drifters", "It's My Party - Leslie Gore", "Heat Wave - Martha and the Vandellas", "The End Of The World - Skeeter Davis", "You Can't Sit Down - Dovells", "Walk Like A Man - Four Seasons", "My Boyfriend's Back - the Angels".
Get the picture? These were popular songs by other artists, but compare them to my top five songs from "with the Beatles". In 1963 "with the beatles" was really exciting, raised your pulse, and made you turn up your radio and sing along (it still does for me today).
As I write this post, it's February 2007. Play some of the great golden oldies from 1963. Great, I still love "Heat Wave"! But then play "with the beatles"! Do the Beatles still sound great? Yes, their songs are classic! They sound just as terrific today as they did what (?), 44 years ago?!! What other groups from 1963 can you say that about? Not too many.
Get "with the beatles" out right now and play it! See if you don't agree with me just a little bit.
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In my humble opinion, a classic song is a song that has stand up against the time. If I take a look at the covers on With The Beatles... There's Money, You Really Got A Hold On Me, Please Mr Postman, Till There Was You, Roll Over Beethoven and Devil In Her Heart. I think that these songs, with the exception of Devil In Her Heart, are classics in the way The Beatles played them. Comparing to Beatles For Sale (for that's how the album's called): Rock And Roll Music, Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey, Mr Moonlight, Honey Don't, Words Of Love and Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby. From this album there's only two songs that can be called classic: Rock And Roll Music and Kansas City. The other covers are not as strong as the ones on With The Beatles.
The End spoke about the time in which With The Beatles appeared. I heard Cliff Richard's Bachelor Boy on the radio today. It's from 1963 as well. Compare that to what The Beatles did the same year... If I were Cliff, I had ended my carreer immediately.
Bobber,
Enjoyed reading your thoughtful comments on some of the songs the Beatles covered. Good stuff. Thanks.
I've always loved "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby" from back when I used to play it on my "Beatles '65" vinyl in 1965 up until right now on my "Beatles For Sale" CD.
My favorite Beatle, George, does an outstanding vocal on a Carl Perkins song with lyrics that young guys can relate to. Makes me wish I was young, but too bad for me. :)
Just like I did with the album "with the beatles", I pulled "Beatles For Sale" out and I'm playing "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby" right now. It's so cool. And kinda funny too.
For me "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby" is a classic. I like it just as much today as I did in '65. Maybe more. Sounds great and makes me smile.
BTW, "Beatles For Sale" is super! "No Reply", "I'm a Loser", "Baby's In Black", "I'll Follow The Sun", "Eight Days A Week", "Words Of Love", "Honey Don't", "Every Little Thing", "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party", "What You're Doing", and "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby". I'm crazy about all of these songs. It's impossible for me to pick only one favorite from all these winners.
Now "Rock and Roll Music" just came on and I had to turn it up!
Thanks for this fun forum. I love it. I'm grabbing my old Beatles CD's and playing them while my wife is watching the Academy Awards on TV. I'm making the right choice here aren't I? ;D
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Hi Ed,
welcome to DM's. I see you're already enjoying it.
There's been a lot of discussing about the covers on their albums in the past few years. Just necessary fillers on the albums or really 'wanted' Beatlessongs? Everybody's idea on it seems to differ. Still, I like the covers on With The Beatles better than those on Beatles For Sale. Kevin said somewhere that it's was because of their own compositions developing and getting better all the time that the covers didn't seem to fit in anymore. The covers didn't develop and that's understandable. I like Kevin's idea about it.
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Hi Ed,
welcome to DM's. I see you're already enjoying it.
There's been a lot of discussing about the covers on their albums in the past few years. Just necessary fillers on the albums or really 'wanted' Beatlessongs? Everybody's idea on it seems to differ. Still, I like the covers on With The Beatles better than those on Beatles For Sale. Kevin said somewhere that it's was because of their own compositions developing and getting better all the time that the covers didn't seem to fit in anymore. The covers didn't develop and that's understandable. I like Kevin's idea about it.
Hey Bobber,
That's a good idea that the covers didn't develop and the Beatles' own compositions were getting better all the time. I could see the argument that objectively the covers just weren't as good as the Beatles' own compositions.
But there's another subjective side too. Sometimes I don't like covers because I like the original song so much and have heard the original so often that the cover just doesn't sound right to me.
I liked the original version of "Money (That's What I Want)" sung by Barrett Strong. "Money" was Motown's first big hit in 1960. I heard it a lot on the radio. So it was difficult for me to dig the Beatles' version of "Money".
"Kansas City" was a big hit for Wilber Harrison in 1959. I've got his version stuck in my head. Again, it's hard for me to enjoy the Beatles' version.
Here are some other covers by the Beatles:
A Taste of Honey - Herb Alpert. I had the album, Whipped Cream and Other Delights back in '65. Great album cover with a beautiful girl covered in whipped cream. But this was an instrumental, so I love the Beatles' version. I didn't get used to someone else's vocal although there probably was another vocal that I never heard much.
Baby It's You - The Shirelles. Again, I've got the Shirelles' version stuck in my head.
Chains - The Cookies. Same deal.
Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes. Ditto
Twist and Shout - The Isley Brothers. I can still hear them singing this one. Takes me back to my senior year in high school.
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles. I just heard Smokey's version too many times.
Rock and Roll Music - Chuck Berry. The Beatles did such a great job on this one that I do like their version!
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby - A Carl Perkins song the Beatles covered. But George's vocal is the first version I remember hearing, so no problem with someone elses version stuck in my head. I love the Beatles on this one.
The only cover that I like better than an original I loved is "Give A Little Bit". Originally a hit for Supertramp in '77. I loved it. Still do. But then the Goo Goo Dolls did a cover and I like it even better than the original. That's the only instance I can think of.
It's hard to fall in love with a cover. I guess that's why we should be an original. ;)
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There's a thread somewhere on this board about covers being better than the original. We came up with some, but not too many. I guess it's my problem with modern music: there's lots of covers and samples from covers. And indeed, if you know the original, it's hard to get used to a different approach.
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All my Loving as it brings back memories of my friend,Andrea ,from Michigan , calling and singing it with a 16 yr. old German foreign exchange student playing piano for her. Wow, was that wordy!!!!!!!!! :o :P
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All My Loving is the best song on With the Beatles for me.
I can listen to it over & over & over &... ;D.. ok, that's too much :)
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It Won't Be Long
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all my loving followed by not a second time
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i'd say "all i've got to do" is pretty great!
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Money
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Please Mister Postman for me.
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Don't Bother Me
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I think I probably have to go with All My Loving
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All my loving (followed by it won't be long and not a second time)
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You've Really Got A Hold On Me!
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The best song is All My Loving. It's genius.
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You've Really Got A Hold On Me!
I agree: followed by "Money" and "All My Loving," of course. :)
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All My Loving is one of the beast early Beatles songs.
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I think it Won't Be Long is a great song in With The Beatles album.
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I'm going out "on the limb" and saying, "Don't Bother Me". I just love the bass and guitar riffs in the song.
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I have always loved "Don't Bother Me". It is a song that suits George well.
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All My Loving
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All My Loving, no matter what. It's one of my favorite Beatles songs, I love it.
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It Won`t Be Long! It is full of promise and you almost feel it is about to happen. Wonderful!
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"All My Loving" of course.
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I have to be a little different here and say "Not A Second Time". For some reason I never get tired of hearing it.
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Oh really. I guess I never heard of that song. Well, thanks to you Revolver42, I'll go listen to it now! :)
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top 3 would have to be it won't be long, all my loving, hold me tight
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Hey, Welcome to the forums TheBeatlesForever! enjoy your stay! ;)
and great choices there! :)
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thanks
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These I have been listening a lot to It Won't Be Long.It is the ring my girlfrined has on her mobile.
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It Won't Be Long is a great song! I like the guitar riff in the beginning.
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I really like "Hold Me Tight"!!
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It won`t be long! Still!
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I like the "Across The Universe" versions too!
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It wont be long,closely followed by Not a second time.