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Title: Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy
Post by: Wayne L. on March 06, 2004, 08:22:21 PM
Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy have got to be three of the worst albums ever recorded & released in the history of rock & roll since it seems Ringo was kind of lost as an artist while trying to live up to his legend as a former Beatle at the time which is why they're so bad even though A Dose Of Rock & Roll is the only gem reminiscent of It Don't Come Easy & Back Off Boogaloo which is an underrated classic from Ringo during the 70's but he has bounced back as an artist & a  rock legend with his All Starr Band along with three great albums since then like Time Takes Time, Vertical Man & Ringorama.
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Post by: The End on March 07, 2004, 11:22:58 AM
I actually quite like Rotogravure :(
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Post by: Ssarah on March 07, 2004, 04:16:57 PM
Yeah, I didn't think Rotogravure  was that bad.
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Post by: pc31 on March 09, 2004, 11:56:50 PM
he had nothing to live up too...he was always 4th in line
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Post by: Wayne L. on April 02, 2004, 12:46:22 PM
Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy are three of the WORST albums in the history of rock & roll as well as by any former Beatle possibly because Ringo thought his name & his legend would sell the albums anyway but you have to be an idiot if you're a Beatles fan if you actually spent your money on them because he's a former Beatle!!!
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Post by: The End on April 03, 2004, 02:30:48 PM
[quote by=Wayne_L. link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=4 date=1080909982]Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy are three of the WORST albums in the history of rock & roll as well as by any former Beatle possibly because Ringo thought his name & his legend would sell the albums anyway but you have to be an idiot if you're a Beatles fan if you actually spent your money on them because he's a former Beatle!!![/quote]

No, I bought them because I happened to like his other albums (apart from Sentimental Journey and Boucoups of Blues). I'm sad to say I didn't like much of George's solo career, so I don't have many of his albums. So, as you can see, I don't buy albums just because they are by an ex-Beatle!!
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Post by: Wayne L. on April 07, 2004, 05:38:21 PM
I would like to believe that most Beatles fans haven't bought any of John, Paul, George & Ringo's solo albums because they're from former Beatles but because they're good even though I don't think it's true most of the time.  I think Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy are three of the worst albums in the history of rock & roll & by any former Beatle with only A Dose Of Rock & Roll being the only great Ringo classic from those days. 
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Post by: on April 07, 2004, 09:57:49 PM
You definitely overstate this Wayne. With Ringo Starr, you'd be pleased if you got 4, maybe 5 good solid tracks from an album.

Lately we've been getting more than this per Ringo album, so we're right chuffed.

With Sentimental Journey, we got zero, so it was rightly called rubbish.

But with this little trio, you get two or three nice tracks on each one (maybe four even on Rotogravure). So on percentages they're not too bad.

I'd rather listen to Rotogravure than Double Fantasy or Milk and Honey!! I'd rather listen to Bad Boy and Ringo The 4th than McCartney I & II, Pipes Of Peace, Driving Rain, Off The Ground, At The Speed of Sound, Red Rose Speedway ...
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Post by: on April 07, 2004, 10:01:38 PM
Whew ... got got under the collar there.

So worst albums in the history of rock and roll ... I won't buy that unless you at least consider some of the utter rubbish McCartney has insulted us with over the years!

Besides, there are many many many worse albums than any put out by an ex-Fab!
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Post by: pc31 on April 08, 2004, 09:02:30 PM
maria is starting to actually make some sense.or else my judgement is on the way out.....
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Post by: Wayne L. on April 12, 2004, 04:57:11 PM
I think Pipes Of Peace, Give My Regards To Broadstreet & Press To Play are three of the WORST albums Paul has done as a solo artist but Ringo still holds the title of worst albums in the history of rock & roll & by any former Beatle with Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy!!!  BTW, you have to mentally crazy & musically impaired if you think Rotogravure is better than Double Fantasy & Bad Boy is better than McCartney. 
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Post by: on April 14, 2004, 09:45:48 PM
[quote by=Wayne_L. link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=10 date=1081789031]... BTW, you have to mentally crazy & musically impaired if you think Rotogravure is better than Double Fantasy & Bad Boy is better than McCartney.
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Post by: tkitna on April 15, 2004, 12:41:20 AM
[quote by=Wayne_L. link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=10 date=1081789031] BTW, you have to mentally crazy & musically impaired if you think Rotogravure is better than Double Fantasy & Bad Boy is better than McCartney.
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Post by: Bruno on April 15, 2004, 02:26:23 AM
[quote by=Wayne_L. link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=10 date=1081789031]I think Pipes Of Peace, Give My Regards To Broadstreet & Press To Play are three of the WORST albums Paul has done as a solo artist .
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Post by: Beatle Ed on April 15, 2004, 07:42:52 AM
[quote by=Maria link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=11 date=1081979148]

Double Fantasy is half Yoko, and the other half consists of John often being defensive or apologetic.[/quote]


We could almost see Eye to eye here about yoko. Except I'll defend John's contributions to DOuble Fantasy until the Day I die! 

"Watching the Wheels" 
"Woman"
"I'm Losing You"
"JUST LIKE STARTING OVER" 
"beautiful boy"

Please don't tell me you think they're actually defensive and apologetic?  If anything I feel like John had gotten over himself in this album, put aside Political and judgemental issues and actually WROTE again, wrote about what he knew, his wife, his life, his kid, the things he'd done wrong, the growth he'd gone through.   Only being apologetic to his wife in "woman" Heck I even like Dear Yoko!!

And to complete that i ALMOST like "I'm your angel"
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Post by: Wayne L. on May 02, 2004, 09:09:53 PM
Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy are three of the worst albums by a former Beatle & in the history of rock & roll which any self respecting Beatles fan would admit to taking a lie detector test unless they're musically retarded but A Dose Of Rock & Roll is a great song despite the rest of the crap on the rest of these albums by Ringo The End. 
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Post by: on May 02, 2004, 09:36:31 PM
Double Fantasy and Milk & Honey are two of the worst albums by a former Beatle & in the history of rock & roll which any self respecting Beatles fan would admit to taking a lie detector test unless they're musically retarded but Nobody Told Me is a fair song despite the rest of the crap on the rest of these albums by John.
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Post by: Wayne L. on May 03, 2004, 10:36:54 AM
How did you come to the conclusion that Double Fantasy & Milk & Honey by John are two of the worst albums by a former Beatle & in the history of rock & roll compared to Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy by Ringo Maria? 
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Post by: The End on May 03, 2004, 01:38:13 PM
I happen to like Double Fantasy, Milk & Honey and Rotogravure - and admitting to that fact DOES NOT make me a "musical retard"!!!!
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Post by: Bruno on May 03, 2004, 02:06:02 PM
I agree with Alan.
I like other songs from Double Fantasy, does that mean I'm a musical retard?
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Post by: Wayne L. on May 03, 2004, 03:39:43 PM
It's true that Ringo has improved as a solo artist since returning to live shows with his  All Starr Band with albums like Time Takes Time, Vertical Man & Ringorama.  There's no way you can denign that Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & & Bad Boy are three of the worst albums by a former Beatle when he was kind of lost in his legend. 
Title: Re: Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy
Post by: on May 03, 2004, 08:21:49 PM
[quote by=Wayne_L. link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=17 date=1083580614]How did you come to the conclusion that Double Fantasy & Milk & Honey by John are two of the worst albums by a former Beatle & in the history of rock & roll compared to Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy by Ringo Maria?
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Post by: Bruno on May 03, 2004, 08:33:53 PM
but that was your opinion. You just can't call somebody a musical retard because it doesn't share or like the same kind of musics or songs that you do
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Post by: on May 04, 2004, 07:16:03 AM
[quote by=Bruno link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=22 date=1083616433]but that was your opinion. You just can't call somebody a musical retard because it doesn't share or like the same kind of musics or songs that you do[/quote]

Who are you talking to? If me, then wake up - I COPIED Wayne's post, substituting the DF stuff, to TAKE THE MICKEY OUT OF WAYNE!!!!!!!!!! I didn't like the retard remark he initally made, so I took the p*ss - OUT OF WAYNE.
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Post by: pc31 on May 04, 2004, 10:40:35 AM
yeah but waynes full of it ria.........
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Post by: Wayne L. on May 04, 2004, 05:05:43 PM
I know what I said the in my first post about this subject which is why there's nothing else left to say because Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy are three of the worst albums by a former Beatle & in the history of rock & roll even though A Dose Of Rock & Roll is a great song despite Ringo being lost as an artist & in his legend at the time while he has improved since then with his All Starr Band & albums like Time Takes Time, Vertical Man & Ringorama!!!
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Post by: Bruno on May 05, 2004, 02:40:08 AM
Wayne, can you tell me why you repeat the same stuff over and over again like a retard? We already know what you are trying to say and where you stand , you don't need to repeat the same shit over and over. (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/spezial/psylosmilies/little_black_boy.gif)
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Post by: Wayne L. on May 15, 2004, 10:32:43 AM
You have to be an idiot if you think Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy are great albums because they three of the worst by any former Beatle when Ringo seemed lost in his legend!
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Post by: on May 15, 2004, 09:43:40 PM
If you can repeat yourself Wayne, so can I. There are many WORSE albums from ex-Beatles than these three li'l honest offerings. Here are some that come to mind effortlessly:

Double Fantasy
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Post by: The End on May 16, 2004, 06:41:12 PM
Not a big Macca fan then huh, Maria! ;) LOL
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Post by: Bruno on May 16, 2004, 08:38:58 PM
LOL
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Post by: Wayne L. on May 17, 2004, 01:06:41 PM
I think Ringo has"  improved " as a solo artist with albums like Time Takes Time, Vertical Man & Ringorama even though generations of fans hardly know they exist despite the publicity.  Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy are three of the worst albums of all time & by any former Beatle without question even though A Dose Of Rock & Roll is the only great song by Ringo from that period.  I also think that Two Virgins, Life With The Lions & the Wedding Album are avant garde crap which make no sense by John but Ringo's three solo albums from the mid/late 70's are still the worst. 
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Post by: NGM on May 22, 2004, 01:12:46 PM
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Post by: LarryG on May 22, 2004, 06:44:48 PM
Well a good deal of debate on the solo works of former Beatles, so I had to weigh in.

I noticed someone earlier had posted that Two Virgins, The Wedding Album and Life with the Lions were  avante garde crap.  Indeed they were.....as were EVERY solo effort by a Beatle prior to the break-up....With one exception:  Lennon's Live album in Toronto.  Even George's Wonderwall Music was curious.  But he more than made amends with All Things Must Pass.

As for Ringo, Rotogravure is passable if for a Dose of Rock & Roll, Hey Baby and Lennon's Cookin.  Clapton contributes a song (This be Called a Song), which is okay, but somewhat pedestrian for him.  Where Ringo's work turns to crap is with Ringo the 4th, Bad Boy and yes, Stop and Smell the Roses.  With the latter, he made a valiant attempt with Paul McCartney's help to rejuvenate the Ringo success, but the album crokes with a couple of notable exceptions (Wrack My Brain, Back off the Boogaloo reissued, and Private Property to a certain extent).  The Wrack My Brain video was much heralded on MTV at the time.

Ringo then put out a decent album with Joe Walsh's help, titled, Old Wave.  But regrettably, it was only issued in Canada.  Arguably, the music there was Beatlesque to certain degree -- and just good old rock and roll by two solid veterans.  Yet, it went unnoticed.  Which left Ringo with the Ringo Album as his solid post-Beatles claim to fame until Time Takes Time would emerge in the early 90s.  That said, most critics and fans enjoyed Goodnight Vienna (despite Call Me and Husbands & Wives) as more than passable even if it couldn't match the magical prowess Ringo Album.  (Remember, Vienna yielded two hits singles -- Only You and the No No Song --, plus called on Elton John's services.)  As for Rotogravure, it received good airplay on NYC and LA rock stations upon its release, before ultimately fading to obscurity along with Ringo's creative brilliance for the next 15 years.

As for John's solo work at the time of his death, Double Fantasy was not panned by the critics, as someone here suggested.  You can look that up on the web.  In fact, just before he died, the album had almost snuck into Billboards To 10.  Of course, his assassination propelled it to #1 for a good deal of time.  Though the album couldn't match Imagine or the Plastic Ono Band album, its quality was just as good as Mind Games and Walls and Bridges (the latter generating John's only #1 single -- Whatever Gets You Through the Night, that is until Starting Over). 

As for Milk and Honey, it was released posthusmously after John's death.  In fact, John was still engineering and recording it the night he died.  Some critics enjoyed it immensely, largely because of the Imaginesque sound (ala Crippled Inside) of I'm Stepping Out and Borrowed Time, and the Walls and Bridge tones of Nobody Told Me.  Other critics dismissed it as being another throwaway along the lines of Some Time in NYC.  I'm torn in the middle.  To this day, I still cannot listen to the Yoko music on either Milk and Honey or Double Fantasy.  But all the John tracks from Fantasy, and at least half of those from Honey are exceptional, even if the latter album was never really completed.

Now Paul has put out a bunch of clunkers -- in fact, the entire decade of the 80s and most of the 90s will not make McCartney's musical memoirs.  (Although I do like Flaming Pie for a few reasons -- notably the Lennon and Maureen references, and of course the inclusion of Ringo and Steve Miller on two tracks apiece.)  But Paul's work in the 70s stands tall as among rock history's best.  Same analysis holds somewhat true for George, for his chart success went up and down after All Things Must Pass.  Some of his best work were with his Wilbury friends, but little can match the intellectual genius of All Things Must Pass and of course Brainwashed.

Clunkers and retard music are in the ears of the beholder, as is warmth and receptivity.  Taste is taste, and these are just albums.....to paraphrase a famous Ringo quote.  As a lifelong Beatle fan, I realize that their body of work has some pratfalls, but taken collectively -- as a band and as four soloists -- few of today's rockers and singers can achieve that kind of depth, chemistry and artistry.
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Post by: The End on May 23, 2004, 10:22:05 PM
[quote by=LarryG link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=33 date=1085251488]Clunkers and retard music are in the ears of the beholder, as is warmth and receptivity.
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Post by: Wayne L. on June 13, 2004, 04:37:12 PM
I don't remember Double Fantasy being panned by the critics at the time, but I do remember it wasn't that popular until John's tragic death.  John Lennon Plastic Ono Band & Imagine are the greatest solo albums by any former Beatle showcasing John at his finest with few equals with Sometime In NYC being highly underrated because of radical left lyrics despite great tracks.   Live Peace In Toronto is just a solid rock & roll live album despite being underrated with John as a rocker without any apologies kicking ass with the first incarnation of the Plastic Ono Band. Paul has had some enormous clunkers as an artist since the 80's & 90's with Tug Of War being his only great album since which is why he's worried about his legacy. George didn't make that many great solo albums but All Things Must Pass is his only masterpiece as a solo artist while 33/1/3 & George Harrison are much better despite being mediocre than Somewhee In England & Gone Troppo.  I think Ringo has had more ups & downs as a solo artist than any of his former bandmates despite great hit singles during the early 70's & mostly crappy albums of the lowest denominator with few highlights excluding a few.
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Post by: Rowdy on June 14, 2004, 04:20:37 AM
I'm not sure which I prefer......the above mentioned Ringo albums or his latest releases.....his latest stuff is dull and nonthreatening, while the above releases were rather difficult listens, but had a few really good tracks, which is more than I can say for Time Takes Time and Vertical Man. Ringorama has a lot of very good tunes though, which is why I would have to say it's his best since Goodnight Vienna. But outside of Rama, Vienna and Ringo, I really don't think the rest of his albums are worth much of a listen.
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Post by: Wayne L. on June 17, 2004, 10:15:26 AM
If you bought Rotogravure, Ringo The 4th & Bad Boy which are three of the worst albums by a former Beatle & in the history of rock & roll because you're a Beatles fan(like I did) you did so more than likely because Ringo is a former Beatle & not for the music itself which is trash while A Dose Of Rock & Roll is the only great song from these 3 disastrous solo albums by Ringo!
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Post by: Rowdy on June 17, 2004, 02:46:48 PM
You're like a broken record, Wayne, but it makes me laugh, so that's a good thing....sort of.
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Post by: on July 14, 2004, 07:26:46 PM
Over the years I've come to like BAD BOY and STOP AND SMELL THE ROSES a bit. However, I think RINGO THE 4TH is terrible. ROTOGRAVURE has a few decent songs on it.

Regarding DOUBLE FANTASY - I was 18 when it came out and was a huge Lennon fan. I was waiting for the new album for years, and when it arrived I felt a little disappointed. But the incredible thing was (get ready for this) I thought Yoko's songs were an improvement for her and very New-Wave.

MILK AND HONEY can't really be judged fairly, as it's not necessarily the album John would have released in the way he wanted it released, had he lived. It's only so-so, although I love "I Don't Wanna Face It".

McCartney's worst albums to me would be DRIVING RAIN and PRESS TO PLAY. I think BACK TO THE EGG is hugely underrated and a good rocker.
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Post by: The End on July 15, 2004, 12:52:25 AM
[quote by=Joe_Karlosi link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1078604541,s=39 date=1089833206]I thought Yoko's songs were an improvement for her and very New-Wave.[/quote]

WOW! FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me on that point! Kiss Kiss Kiss was a brilliant track... I never played it in gront of my Mum and Dad though!!!! LOL! ;D
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Post by: on July 15, 2004, 10:28:10 AM
Quote
WOW! FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me on that point! Kiss Kiss Kiss was a brilliant track... I never played it in gront of my Mum and Dad though!!!!

I recall when I first heard a glimpse of DOUBLE FANTASY on the radio. I was eagerly awaiting the new Lennon album, and I turned the radio on and I hear what sounded like John's voice, singing "I know I hurt you then but hell, that was way back when, do you still have to carry that cross?" ("I'm Losing You", of course) --

I thought, "wow! John sounds great!" -- and then, the song changed and we segued into "I'm Moving On", from Yoko (and I have to tell you -- "I'm Moving On" is my favorite song on the album!) I said to myself, "WOW! YOKO HAS IMPROVED!")

So, I always felt that DOUBLE FANTASY wasn't John's best stuff, though it was good -- but Yoko was really improved!