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Solo forums => Paul McCartney => Topic started by: GreenApple on November 14, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
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UK people! (Britlanders), tonight on Channel 4, at 12:20, there will be a show of Macca doing songs from Chaos And Creation...
Don't miss it!
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Yep, the local then back for Channel 4 :) ( John Peel documentary on)
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Thanks for sharing. Enjoy it.
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Thanks for sharing. Enjoy it.
I don't know if TV channels in Europe and around the world buy British TV programs much, but I hope that one day you other guys and gals will be able to see it in your own countries.
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I don't know if TV channels in Europe and around the world buy British TV programs much, but I hope that one day you other guys and gals will be able to see it in your own countries.
I hope so
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Huge thanks to GreenApple for the heads-up - I would have missed this otherwise! It was quite a good mini-documentary actually - made me want to play the album again!!! ;D
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Yes, I really enjoyed it! It actually confirmed my impression that it would sound like that. Some very nice melodies indeed. I will surely get the album now, within the near future. Someone said on the Chaos And Creation thread, that Jenny Wren sounds like Blackbird, as I recall. And, Macca did indeed confirm that it came out of Blackbird. And that song which was Paul 'being' George Harrison...which one was that? Can't remember!
Anyway, a very pleasing rockumentary. Only, I was too lazy to bother recording it..!
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I tell you what though - that 'English Tea' track makes me cringe! I know it's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek but, in my opinion, it fails in that regard!
"Very twee, very me..." He's just giving Yoko more ammunition!!!
And, funnily enough, I didn't bother to tape it either!!
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... And that song which was Paul 'being' George Harrison...which one was that? Can't remember! ...
Friends To Go (one good song,... and George-esque! yep)
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"English Tea" is two things: one, a p*sstake of Paul's tendency to write twee songs about English crap, and two, a really lovely song about English crap!
It works on many levels, which is why I like it so much. Mostly, the tune is just quite lovely. And the pennywhistle solo just takes it WAY over the ol' top, which I adore. :)
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"English Tea" is two things: one, a p*sstake of Paul's tendency to write twee songs about English crap, and two, a really lovely song about English crap!
It works on many levels, which is why I like it so much. Mostly, the tune is just quite lovely. And the pennywhistle solo just takes it WAY over the ol' top, which I adore. :)
Oooooohhh! I'm not English myself, though Britlander, yes (There is a difference you know!).
I don't know where you're from. Maybe Britain.
Paul said in the documentary something about being proud of England. Well, that's his pride coming out in English tea culture then. So what? No worries!
Anyway, I was impressed enough to buy the album today. Can't say too much about it yet, except that Jenny Wren is a really fine song. English Tea reminds me of Martha My Dear.
I hope that in future albums, Paul will stay with this approach. An approach we might call 'back to basics'. It does seem reminiscent of what he was doing in the Beatles late on to me.
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Friends To Go (one good song,... and George-esque! yep)
Absolutely right. ;)
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I tell you what though - that 'English Tea' track makes me cringe! I know it's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek but, in my opinion, it fails in that regard!
"Very twee, very me..." He's just giving Yoko more ammunition!!!
The way I feel about this is that Paul doesn't have to worry in the slightest about Yoko. Ever heard Yoko's songs!? What I've heard is even embarrassing to listen to!!
And, I feel that being artistic means that an artist should be able to rhyme words like june and spoon, and tea and twee if they feel right about that. If this kind of free approach is never taken, how could even modern art be possible? Not that I like modern art.
Like John said; 'serve
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Friends To Go (one good song,... and George-esque! yep)
Do you not like Jenny Wren?
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"English Tea" is two things: one, a p*sstake of Paul's tendency to write twee songs about English crap, and two, a really lovely song about English crap!
It works on many levels, which is why I like it so much. Mostly, the tune is just quite lovely. And the pennywhistle solo just takes it WAY over the ol' top, which I adore. :)
I hear that too. He's pre-emptied the potential and inevitable attacks with this tune I feel.
I love the album..It's rare to remember the melodies of an album so quickly. I was singing along on the second listen!!!
It is full of great melody and arrangements. I'm still right into this and think it's the best solo album I have heard from him so far.
Jenny Wren and A Certain Softness 'got me hooked' ( ;D) real quick and then the others have grown and revealed more of themselves on each listen. Can't fault the album, although I rarely listen to 'A Fine Line.'
Missed the programme!!!! Even with that great reminder from Green Apple. :(
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I just can't see any problem with a song about tea.
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Don't get me wrong - I love the album, just that track makes me cringe! I really DO get the whole sending himself up aspect but, as far as I'm concerned, it fails. If everyone else likes it, brilliant - he has obviously succeeded and I have obviously missed the point. :)
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I have to confess that 'English Tea' does tend to get a skip aswell. Too Much Rain is one that TK brought to my attention..More to that tune than meets the ear. lol
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I just feel that Rock 'n' Roll should be able to visit any area that isn't offensive. In fact, it DOES visit areas which are offensive! On another level, though, the one which I suppose you guys are talking about, many find the hippy love and peace thing which I like irritating. It's similar to cringing at English Tea I suppose. I mean, it's not for me to decide if other people should like it. But just sitting down with a nice cup of tea is something which many still enjoy, so, why not have a song about it? Only my view, that's all.
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First off, from reading the lyrics its not about drinking tea at all. It could be a lament for an England now lost, or a dig at middle england, or another stab at music hall, or a dig at himself.
I agree with Mr End, whatever it is, it doesn't work.
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I love the album..It's rare to remember the melodies of an album so quickly. I was singing along on the second listen!!!
It is full of great melody and arrangements. I'm still right into this and think it's the best solo album I have heard from him so far.
Jenny Wren and A Certain Softness 'got me hooked' ( ;D) real quick and then the others have grown and revealed more of themselves on each listen. Can't fault the album, although I rarely listen to 'A Fine Line.'
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Agree. Very melodic album.
I didn't like Jenny Wren at the beginning because of the Blackbird comparison but now I like it. For me the best one is Too Much Rain and the weak point A Certain Softness (Paul is not good at latin music tho Hope Of Deliverance was a good attempt).
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Do you not like Jenny Wren?
^Answered here.
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First off, from reading the lyrics its not about drinking tea at all. It could be a lament for an England now lost, or a dig at middle england, or another stab at music hall, or a dig at himself.
I agree with Mr End, whatever it is, it doesn't work.
In a radio interview it was said that Paul said it all was caused because of an incident in a restaurant in USA. He ordered a tea and the waiter asked him if he wanted a normal tea or an English tea. This seemed very funny to him so -because he's always trying to compose another Eleanor Rigby- he composed English Tea with references in its lyrics to very English things.
I didn't like this song 'cos it sounded to me...childish, but it's one that grows up in time.
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^aha. Cheers
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Paul said in the rockumentary that he imagined himself drinking tea with an older person, as well as the thing about in an American restaurant, when he was asked about what kind of tea he wants. He did mention national pride too in the interview. I think it's about genuine affection for Engish tea and English culture. It could work on different levels, but, of course, each could place their own interpretation on it.
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Well said, ... as usual.
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Well said, ... as usual.
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I'd vote for you,... if I could. ;D
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My policies in power:
1. Optional charity tax (man!) 2.5% - would also appeal to British muslims and forge a better multi-cultural society, as their religion states that they should ideally give 2.5% of their income to charity.
2. Financial incentives for kids to do well at school.
3. Multi-cultural community centres for people to make cultural exchanges each weekend, and break down prejudice and stereotypes in the community.
4. National smile at a stranger week. (Recent research shows it make both parties happier!)
5. ABOLISH THE COMMON AGRICULTURAL POLICY! European farmers are paid large amounts of money to OVERPRODUCE! That overproduced food is stored in enormous warehouses, which also cost enormous amounts of money to maintain! We could be buying cheap food from the third world, so the average European consumer saves money, and third world farmers get a higher income for their survival and the economic growth of their countries! Darn (sounding polite) the average European farmer - whatever else they do, they won't go without food in their stomach, or clothes on their back, or somewhere to live!!! And the richer the third world gets, the richer we get too, as they do more trade with us!
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Where was Yoko while you were writing this? ;D
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But if the third world gets rich, where will we go for cheap holidays?
Perspective dude, perspective.
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Missed the bloody Interview/documentary.. the cheap sound of clinking trebles lured me away :(
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But if the third world gets rich, where will we go for cheap holidays?
Perspective dude, perspective.
:D ::)
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..and the weak point A Certain Softness (Paul is not good at latin music tho Hope Of Deliverance was a good attempt).
"Step Inside LOve" proves you're wrong. :)
I LOVE "A Certain Softness." Who puts a bossa nova feel on their record anymore? Paul is the answer and "A Certain Softness" is the answer. I can actually hear this song being on the White Album. It's that bad and good and right at the same time. I love it. My vote for the next commercial song-- Dove soap anyone?
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... I can actually hear this song being on the White Album. It's that bad and good and right at the same time. I love it. My vote for the next commercial song-- Dove soap anyone?
I'm very surprised how everything ever imagined could be on that album (good and bad,...crap included, of course), aren't you?. The list is endless...
I think A Certain Softness is the weakest in his album (not the worst cause I don't think there is a bad one) and it's defenitely a non commercial one IMO.
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A Certain Softness has all the melodic ingredients thatn remind me of classics like Michelle , maybe Honey Pie and Here, There & Everywhere.....It's that pining/longing emotion that comes out...VERY nostalgic Beatle if you ask me....The launch into the piano solo gets me every time. Especially the sound of the sustained cymbal crash......what a launch!!! lol
The middle 8 is also very 'Your asking me/You stick around' Harrison chords off 'Something.'
Hey, I could even imagine Roy Orbison singing this.lol
This and Jenny Wren were the first ones to 'grab me.'
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But if the third world gets rich, where will we go for cheap holidays?
Perspective dude, perspective.
A tad selfish, no?
They could get as rich as Spain, which isn't exactly poor, and sun-loving, chip-eating Britlanders could still go there for a cheap holiday!
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Where was Yoko while you were writing this?
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A tad selfish, no?
They could get as rich as Spain, which isn't exactly poor, and sun-loving, chip-eating Britlanders could still go there for a cheap holiday!
Wasn't being that serious really.
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Wasn't being that serious really.
OK. Sorry. It's just me being a bit emotional about things, that's all.
For example, sea levels will rise, and many of the world's cities will be submerged because they are on the coast. But, Bush just doesn't care! 9/11 will have caused less physical damage to New York than global warming! My own home town will be below the water, so will London. And many other cities. My conclusion:
POLITICIANS ARE IN FACT STUPID!
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I think the horrible truth is that politicians know, like in New Orleans, that the middle classes will escape, and those that suffer will be the poor and dispossessed and Welsh- people who generally don't vote, or pay taxes, or in their eyes, don't really matter.
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I think the horrible truth is that politicians know, like in New Orleans, that the middle classes will escape, and those that suffer will be the poor and dispossessed and Welsh- people who generally don't vote, or pay taxes, or in their eyes, don't really matter.
True. But it's still selfishness gone mad, because, somehow or other, everyone everywhere will lose out.
Is that an anti-Welsh thing there?
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Is that an anti-Welsh thing there?
No. Just couldn't resist it. Watch the rugby the other week?
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I don't like rugby. Wales has lots of high ground for people to move to, but that isn't important. It's not about Wales. The Welsh are absolutely secure and happy with their identity - something which many English people don't seem to understand. It's about the whole world. Where will 130 million Bangladeshis go? Politicians talk about the free world as though it's where sanity and sincerity rule supreme. Sadly, it's far from the truth! Many people are suffering in the unfree world, and 'sincere', 'sane' western politicians are condemning them to even far worse future suffering!
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I don't like rugby. Wales has lots of high ground for people to move to, but that isn't important. It's not about Wales. The Welsh are absolutely secure and happy with their identity - something which many English people don't seem to understand. It's about the whole world. Where will 130 million Bangladeshis go? Politicians talk about the free world as though it's where sanity and sincerity rule supreme. Sadly, it's far from the truth! Many people are suffering in the unfree world, and 'sincere', 'sane' western politicians are condemning them to even far worse future suffering!
Of course you're right.
But being devils advocate, the history of this planet is one of constant change and flux. (if there hadn't been a meteor strike 65 million years ago that plunged the planet into a nuclear winter we'd still be two inches long sitting in a burrow, and if the ice age hadn't pushed mans adapability to the limit we'd still be in trees eating nuts, if the Black death hadn't devasted europe we'd still be serfs in mud huts ploughing our leiges land) We should do what we can of course, but that Disneyesque view of the world being a finely balanced house of cards, where removing one causes the lot to collapse, is pretty well discredited now.
But please, I'm not oblivious to others sufferings, just that I think major change is inevitable, so i don't get as misty eyed as others over it. And yes, kharma and I know what's coming to me. But total respect to you for your convictions and I could well be a prat.
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Counting the money from John's music sales!
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They could get as rich as Spain, which isn't exactly poor, and sun-loving, chip-eating Britlanders could still go there for a cheap holiday!
Any problems with Spain, guys? I like Spain.
I called the language we're using right now: worldish (instead of english) and the one used in Spain (not only in Spain) sunish (instead of spanish).
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But total respect to you for your convictions and I could well be a prat.
I am probably a prat! A number of people seem to have thought so. But, if so, I'd like to see myself as the idiot savant of Macca's Fool On The Hill; someone who seems foolish, but actually can see what's wrong with the world.
I take your point about good coming from bad, but it's difficult to see what good will come from environmental destruction. Perhaps we'll all be living in those kind of enormous 'pleasure domes' you read about in those old science fiction novels! ;D
(Better laugh than cry!)
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^ You stick with it. Ying and yang and all that
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Any problems with Spain, guys? I like Spain.
I called the language we're using right now: worldish (instead of english) and the one
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^ You stick with it. Ying and yang and all that
That documentary about Queen the other night on the box said that in the 70s, music journalists were calling Freddy Mercury a prat. He stuck with it - and achieved great music and lasting fame!
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Anyone can see what's wrong in the world.
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^"Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.
It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me." :-/
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I did go to Spain and they didn't seem to love the Britlanders! But, they've got a lot of great culture there. Of course, for bad people you meet, you meet good people too!
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I said Who put all those things in your hair
Things that make me feel that I'm mad.
:-/ ::)
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I'm a loser and I lost someone who's near to me. You must know that I'm a loser and I'm not what I appear to be.(nono)
What have I done to deserve such a fate, I realize I have left it too late and so it's true, pride comes before a fall.
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I've hit an all time low - serious p*ss take from my mates
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It's getting better, a little better all the time, it can't get no worse.
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Anyone can see what's wrong in the world.
I also meant to imply caring about the world situation. Which many people don't seem to care about. The world's population seem to be nonchalantly making plans for the future without realising that plans will not work out quite as they hope, because much of the world's land mass will be below the sea, and in many places terrible climatic conditions will prevail. For example, what's the point in modernising old dockland area in coastal cities through redevelopment, if all that is going to be under the water within decades?
Maybe that's what Mr. Raxo means by quoting 'Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.' I might add to it then '...all those lies, about the good things that we can have if we close our eyes.'
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...pride comes before a fall.
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I hear ya!
"If People, just prove to the people.....A better day is coming, for you and for me,
With a little bit more education,..... and love for our nation,
We'd make a better society."
If You Had A Choice? - Curtis Mayfield.....R.I.P.
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"Step Inside LOve" proves you're wrong. :)
Have you listen to the released version (Cilla Black's)?
Don't be mistaken, the version on Anthology 3 is a jam and the song was released before, the percussion was an incidental thing: they were using it for I Will.
A Certain Softness fails because of its lack of sentimiento (feeling) but that's not unusual when he tries this kind of music.
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^Gotta love that ending though. ;) lol
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I like A Certain Softness, as I said before I don't think there's a bad one in C&C but for me it's the weakest one (some has to be the weakest :-/).
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Jenny Wren is the best for me. For everything in it. And, as a reworking of Blackbird, for me, Macca could just go ahead and rework a whole bunch of Beatles melodies of his. That would be so good.
But, has it taken Macca 35 years to realise he could sound like the Beatles again? I don't know his post-Beatles output so well, but IMO, C&C sounds like the stuff he was doing on TWA. I just hope that C&C is a sign of things to come!
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It sounds like a great paul mccartney album to me.
If you want a cheap beatles parody go buy choose love.
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It sounds like a great paul mccartney album to me.
If you want a cheap beatles parody go buy choose love.
Please tell me about Choose Love. I've only heard of it. One of Macca's other albums? I don't know if 'cheap' is the right word. Jenny Wren is a fine song.
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Choose Love is Ringo's latest album.
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And another tv-appearance. Paul told me himself by e-mail ;D : PAUL MCCARTNEY ON UK TV THIS WEEKEND
As previously announced Paul will be appearing this Saturday, 17th December on 'Parkinson'. The programme starts at 22.10 (GMT). The veteran broadcaster chats to Paul about his solo career and work with the Beatles, as well as his latest project, the children's book called
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Choose Love is Ringo's latest album.
Does Ringo really sound 'Beatles' on that album? If so, I might buy it.
Also, I saw in Japan the album which covers Love Me Do. But, I haven't seen it in the UK. Any review of that cover version and the album by anyone?
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First off, from reading the lyrics its not about drinking tea at all. It could be a lament for an England now lost, or a dig at middle england, or another stab at music hall, or a dig at himself.
I agree with Mr End, whatever it is, it doesn't work.
In a radio interview it was said that Paul said it all was caused because of an incident in a restaurant in USA. He ordered a tea and the waiter asked him if he wanted a normal tea or an English tea. This seemed very funny to him so -because he's always trying to compose another Eleanor Rigby- he composed English Tea with references in its lyrics to very English things.
I didn't like this song 'cos it sounded to me...childish, but it's one that grows up in time.
... I've uploaded this clip where Paul's explaining it by himself (3 minutes and 39 seconds, 5.03 Mb):
http://rapidshare.com/files/25304851/Paul_talking_about_English_Tea.mp3.html