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Title: John's siblings
Post by: Mr Mustard on January 24, 2011, 06:25:53 PM
It is generally well known (among Beatles fans at least) that John had younger half sisters Julia (Baird) and Jacqui (Dykins), the daughters of his mother Julia and her partner 'Bobby' Dykins. Less well known is that John's mother had a brief liaison with a Welsh soldier and bore him a daughter, Victoria, who was subsequently adopted by a Norwegian couple, and renamed Ingrid Pedersen. I have read conflicting reports as to whether John ever even knew of this adopted half sister, and very little is known of her so far as I'm aware.

However, probably even less is known of John's younger half brothers David and Robin - the sons of John's father Alfred. I believe they'll now be in their late thirties or early forties? Can anyone throw any light on what became of them?
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: peterbell1 on January 28, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
I saw this story linked from the Wikipedia article about Julia Baird ...

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/archive/2000/10/03/Hampshire+Archive/5626450.beatle_s_relative_in_plea_as_gunman_awaits_verdict_on_parole/ (http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/archive/2000/10/03/Hampshire+Archive/5626450.beatle_s_relative_in_plea_as_gunman_awaits_verdict_on_parole/)

Ingrid says ...

"I was raised by adoptive parents but found out about my real background 14 years before John's death. I promised myself I wouldn't approach him until my adoptive parents died but before I had a chance to meet him and establish any sort of relationship he was killed.

"What is equally sad is John had hired detectives to search for me so he obviously felt that something was missing from his life too."

So, presumably, John did learn about Victoria/Ingrid's existence if he really did hire detectives to find her.

Alf and his 2nd wife Pauline moved to Brighton which is where they lived when David and Robin were born. According to Wikipedia, Pauline Lennon remarried after Alf's death in 1976 and now goes by the name Pauline Stone.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on January 28, 2011, 07:22:20 PM
There's some information on John's relatives in this thread, including a link to the Lennon family tree.

http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=1161.0 (http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=1161.0)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on January 28, 2011, 07:46:59 PM
Found this on another forum. It looks as if David was posting there as well, but his posts were removed or unreadable for guests. It's some information.

John only met David once, and I read that when Alfred and Pauline brought David over to see John, John threw them out of his house! Not sure which book that is from tho...but I guess John was aware that he had another half-brother, Robin, considering the fact that both Alfred and John did keep in touch until Alfred's death.

David and Robin have been included in Julian's website of his Lennon family, Lennon.net, so that must have a lot more information that can help you.

As for Victoria, her other name was Ingrid Pederson who worked (or works) as a nurse in England. She came out as John's long lost sister some years back after her adopted mother passed away. She had learned her connection to John in 1966 but kept it a secret on her adoptive parents' advice. One of John's aunts told John about his half sister and he tried to look for her, but had no luck. Last I heard, Stanley Parkes (John's cousin), Julia, Julian, Cynthia, and Yoko have welcomed her into the family. You can google her for more information, some links have been brought up on the subject (I typed in John Lennon's long lost sister)


And this:

His both Brothers named David Henry born February 26th 1969 and Robin Francis Lennon born October 22th 1973 in Brighton,
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on January 28, 2011, 09:32:49 PM
This was in the news in August 1998:

Long-lost Lennon located

A 53-year old hospital worker has come forward claiming to be John Lennon's long-lost half-sister. Ingrid Pedersen says she was given up for adoption as a newborn by Julia Lennon, the singer's mother, in Liverpool in 1945. She told The Sun newspaper that although she had been aware of her true identity when the Beatles were at their peak, she had never met her older half-brother. Ingrid knew her connection at the Beatles' peak. "Now at last I can admit who I am - the little sis John loved but could never find," she said.

Providing copies of her birth and adoption certificates which say she was born Victoria Elizabeth Lennon, Ingrid Pedersen said she had kept her identity a secret for the sake of her adoptive parents, Margaret and Peder Pedersen. But Mrs Pedersen died five weeks ago so she had decided the time was right to speak out. "I kept this secret for the sake of my mum. But now she's dead I want to find my real family," she said. She added that revealing her true identity would "take a huge weight" of her shoulders. John Lennon's father Alf walked out on his family three years after his son's birth in 1940. Ingrid Pedersen claims that his mother then had a brief affair with a Welsh soldier called Taffy Williams, who was her real father. The Beatle, who was shot dead in New York in 1980, also had two other half-sisters, born after his mother met John Dykins. Miss Pedersen says she wants to meet her half-sisters and John's two sons, Sean and Julian.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on January 28, 2011, 09:49:14 PM
Pictures of Victoria Lennon aka Ingrid Pedersen

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Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on January 28, 2011, 09:55:27 PM
 ;D

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Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: peterbell1 on February 01, 2011, 09:53:20 AM
Wow!!
Bobber, are YOU the private detective John hired to find his half sister   ;D  ;D
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on February 01, 2011, 09:56:02 AM
Wow!!
Bobber, are YOU the private detective John hired to find his half sister   ;D  ;D

The internet is a wonderful place if you're patient enough and ready to look on page two as well. ;D
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Badgirl66 on February 02, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
Correctly and Sorry each idiot finds which it to find wants.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on February 02, 2011, 02:06:09 PM
Correctly and Sorry each idiot finds which it to find wants.

Oh come on Dirk, it wasn't THAT easy. You didn't come up with these pictures! ha2ha
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: nyfan(41) on February 02, 2011, 02:42:27 PM
who knows . . if john had lived 10 more years he might have divorced yoko (there's evidence he may have been heading towards that) . . reconnected with his england family (there's evidence he may have been heading towards that) . .  and
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....
john's blood relatives (i.e. his 1/2 sister) may have had an inheritance if not some say in his legacy
..
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that takes alot of character to know you have a rich and famous sibling who doesn't know about you and keep silent out of respect to your adoptive parents.
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victoria lennon/ingrid pedersen seems like an amazing person of integrity ----->  and looks a bit like john in the face as well
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: nyfan(41) on February 02, 2011, 03:01:34 PM
in fact they're the spitting image of eachother
(http://premium1.uploadit.org/nynynyny//lennon.jpg)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: peterbell1 on February 02, 2011, 09:25:45 PM
in fact they're the spitting image of eachother
([url]http://premium1.uploadit.org/nynynyny//lennon.jpg[/url])


They are both very much like their mother
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Badgirl66 on February 03, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
Here Alfred (with Pauline Jones) Son David Henry  (http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6050/lennonhalfbrother0002.jpg)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on February 03, 2011, 11:11:56 AM
I bumped into that picture as well, but it is not really confirmed that this is John's halfbrother.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Badgirl66 on February 03, 2011, 12:03:54 PM
correct  ;D another picture also flew over the Net  ;sorry

(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/967/dhlj.jpg)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Mr Mustard on February 05, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Wow! Some terrific research and information on here - grateful thanks to you all for your responses.

About three or four years ago I visited "Mendips" - John's childhood home on Menlove Avenue, now owned by The National Trust of course. The custodian told us of how Ingrid Pedersen, John's long lost adopted half sister, put in an appearance when the NT blue plaque was unveiled at the property. Apparently she was a very pleasant, polite and quietly spoken lady who just wanted to be present to pay her own discreet respects to the famous big brother she was so proud of, but never got to meet. The very opposite of the kind of money grabbing, publicity seeking parasites who so often crawl out of the woodwork to cash in on a departed celebrity relative. When the ceremony concluded she bade other family members and dignitaries a low-key farewell and melted away without a fuss. Sounds a really wonderful person to me.

I did ask the custodian if she had any background details regarding John's half brothers, but she was unable to help. You have more than made up for it here though... please keep any further information coming!
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on February 07, 2011, 09:05:23 AM
You're most welcome. I'll keep an eye open.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on July 05, 2011, 04:07:32 AM
I'm assuming the picture of Ingrid putting down the flowers was taken quite awhile ago,perhaps the 1980s soon after John's death. She would be about 66 now,and she looks 30ish in the photo. What's the history behind this photo? Who's the man kneeling down to the right? He looks really familiar. Is that actor Robert Culp in the background in the sunglasses?
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on July 05, 2011, 07:50:13 AM
Lots of great stuff  :)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 05, 2011, 08:03:59 AM
I'm assuming the picture of Ingrid putting down the flowers was taken quite awhile ago,perhaps the 1980s soon after John's death. She would be about 66 now,and she looks 30ish in the photo. What's the history behind this photo? Who's the man kneeling down to the right? He looks really familiar. Is that actor Robert Culp in the background in the sunglasses?

This was presumably in May 1999, when Victoria and Yoko first met.
The man kneeling to the right looks like Sean in his fat Elvis period, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Badgirl66 on July 05, 2011, 12:54:46 PM
the man is a fan does   stand still, hundred on this place every day and hours..
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 05, 2011, 07:03:29 PM
the man is a fan does   stand still, hundred on this place every day and hours..

Celebrities can be fans too.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Mairi on July 06, 2011, 05:05:22 AM
It must be very sad to know that you were related to John Lennon but never got the chance to know him. Very interesting. Thanks for all the information and photos, Bobber.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 06, 2011, 07:09:24 AM
Very interesting. Thanks for all the information and photos, Bobber.

You're welcome. It was all on the internet tho.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on July 06, 2011, 09:42:29 AM
The Man standing to Yoko's right is definitely David Lennon. I heard him interviewed on the radio a month ago. For a while I wasn't quite sure it had been for real and spent way way too much time trying to back it up and having not much luck varyfying it until I found this site. Comparing that photo to the other site he mentioned,it's him,but now slightly older. He only met John once,and the memorial was the first time he met Ingrid. The young woman interviewing him clearly didn't understand what a mind boggling interview she was having,nor the network broadcasting it,because I haven't heard a peep out of anyone since. I'm in the process of hunting it down. He claimed John was basically a non entity in his house and everybody avoided bringing him up.No one wanted to be hastled by the fans. Apparently he and his brother had a normal happy upbringing. He mentioned finding that site dissing his father mentioned earlier in this thread and got so upset he just had to set the record straight.Apparently Alfred was a great Dad. Brother Robin was upset by this breach in privacy,and even more so when Dave posted his recent wedding video on Youtube. There are actually several Liz and Dave Weddings .His is the slide show presented to "I only want to make you happy". In it,the best shot of him that I used to compare to the memorial is at 1:24. You'll also see his beautiful new bride and Robin as his best man,and various unknown family members. I wish them all the best. Also,after all these years,he's finally taken an interest in music and is learning the guitar and has even gone to a few Beatle-fests.  He finished the interview by singing one of his own compositions. He sounds nothing like John,but hey,not bad for an amateur.
On the subject of Ingrid and the guy kneeling next to her,for a photo I'm sure I had never seen before,it had a massive deja-vu feel to it,like they were walking toward me.It took me a long time for me to figure this out,but I think when I saw the documentary John Lennon vs. The U.S  at the Toronto International Filmfest,they were part of the audience. I also remember just seeing the two strolling about,turnig heads,with even some of the celebrities wondering who they were.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 06, 2011, 10:04:40 AM
Yes I think you're right. Where was the interview broadcasted and any chance on bringing a link to it in here?
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 06, 2011, 10:44:17 AM
    As soon as I became aware that John was my brother I started to collect every cutting on him I could find and hid them in a drawer in my bedroom. I was terrified in case my parents found out. It would have been a betrayal of them.

    I felt I couldn't contact John when my adoptive mother was still alive. I felt an incredible loyalty to her because I believe she knew I was dad's real daughter and she took me in as her own daughter with no obvious resentment about his affair with Julia.

    I knew Mum kept a tin box in her wardrobe that contained family papers. When no one was around I opened it, trembling. I found a yellowing, dog-eared adoption paper that had been issued by Liverpool County Court. Then I saw my full name: Lillian Ingrid Maria Pedersen, and my birth date. Above that were the three words I had been looking for: Victoria Elizabeth Lennon - the name I was born with. My real mother's name, Julia Lennon, was also there. I burst into tears.

Ingrid Pedersen, 2000
Melbourne Sunday Herald Sun
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 06, 2011, 10:49:21 AM
In Spanish. We need Xose or Raxo here: http://www.elforo.de/liverpool/viewtopic.php?t=1110&sid=226873467a6c19e20eed9a1bbfc3109f (http://www.elforo.de/liverpool/viewtopic.php?t=1110&sid=226873467a6c19e20eed9a1bbfc3109f)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 06, 2011, 10:58:48 AM
(http://www.andia.fr/documents/000/000/037/Andia_37984_ScreenBig.jpg)

A few more recent pics of Victoria/Ingrid here:
http://www.andia.fr/consulter/apercu.asp?MotRecherche=%2BPedersen&MotRecherche1=%2BPedersen&Rech_Guidee=1 (http://www.andia.fr/consulter/apercu.asp?MotRecherche=%2BPedersen&MotRecherche1=%2BPedersen&Rech_Guidee=1)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Badgirl66 on July 06, 2011, 12:38:45 PM
In Spanish. We need Xose or Raxo here: [url]http://www.elforo.de/liverpool/viewtopic.php?t=1110&sid=226873467a6c19e20eed9a1bbfc3109f[/url] ([url]http://www.elforo.de/liverpool/viewtopic.php?t=1110&sid=226873467a6c19e20eed9a1bbfc3109f[/url])


strange german domain but a Spanian Dude

David Puig Rojas
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Bobber on July 06, 2011, 12:47:59 PM
The picture in Central Park seems to be from October 9, 1998
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on July 06, 2011, 03:55:53 PM
I admit my memory from 4 weeks ago is a lot better than 6 years ago. I could be totally wrong about it being Ingrid at the festival,and just someone that resembled that odd couple. I'm still working on finding that interview.  What was all that stuff in spanish? Could some one sum those articals up for me? My only real second language is french,and that's not very good either.Looking at that new Ingrid-now photo reminds me of Julia Baird's bit about telling John how she tried to visit Apple and being turned away because "John doesn't have any sisters" and John replied "apparently I have hundreds" because it was a common trick  female fans pulled. Both  Ingrid and David were interviewed by the American media when they visited in 1998,but I don't know by whom. Where does that Memorial shot come from anyway? i can't find it anywhere else on the net.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on November 24, 2011, 04:24:22 PM
I have had no luck finding the David Lennon interview. The earliest mention of it in my journal was June 14,2011 when I told a friend about it. Initially I thought I had heard it on a local Canadian radio broadcast sometime between June 10 and June 13,but after an extensive search found nothing.This is Halifax,Nova Scotia,which has 24 FM stations and no Am channels. However,at night we get plenty of AM broadcasts up from the states - New York,New hampshire,Connecticut,in fact,way down to Florida.Over 60 of them!!! I apologize,but I am completely at a loss on where I heard it. One odd thing about the broadcast that I do remember is that I don't remember him having a noticeable british accent. However,on the Ingrid front,I finally got a copy of her book,which wasn't easy to find in Canada. It came out in 2005,and is only available in an french language edition. I'm going to try and translate it and present some kind of review of it later. Interestingly,the American show TMZ.com has mentioned her a few times,but unfortuneatly always describes her as John's Alledged half sister despite the fact that she has been completely acknowleged and accepted by her step sisters Cynthia and Jacqui. I found my Toronto Film Fest Notes. It was actually Sean and Jacqui I had a close encounter with earlier in the day when I saw The U.S. vs. John Lennon.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Toejam on November 25, 2011, 10:34:33 AM
I have had no luck finding the David Lennon interview. John's Alledged half sister despite the fact that she has been completely acknowleged and accepted by her step sisters Cynthia and Jacqui. I found my Toronto Film Fest Notes. It was actually Sean and Jacqui I had a close encounter with earlier in the day when I saw The U.S. vs. John Lennon.
1-Is that David Lennon who was Fred and Pauline's son? The brother of Robin? I've always wanted to know what they're up to. I thought they were living quitely in Brighton.
1-Johns 1/2 sisters are Jacqui and Julia. Cynthia was his wife.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Toejam on November 25, 2011, 10:47:15 AM
who knows . . if john had lived 10 more years he might have divorced yoko (there's evidence he may have been heading towards that)
Is this evidence the fact he'd just released an album almost totally dedicated to his enduring happiness and love of life with Yoko and that fact he was in the process of making another album called Milk and honey which was er all about his enduring happiness with Yoko?
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Badgirl66 on November 25, 2011, 11:07:32 AM
1-Is that David Lennon who was Fred and Pauline's son? The brother of Robin? I've always wanted to know what they're up to. I thought they were living quitely in Brighton.
1-Johns 1/2 sisters are Jacqui and Julia. Cynthia was his wife.

correct


Lennon Father Side was only David and Robin
Lennon Mothers Side was Julia,Victoria( today Ingrid) and Jaqui

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Alfred Lennon December 12, 1912 Liverpool, England- April 1, 1976

Julia Stanley March 12, 1914 Liverpool, England- July 15, 1958

Married: December 3, 1938

Alfred was a seaman and often went abroad visiting far and few in between. After John's birth in 1940, the marriage fell apart; Alfred and Julia last saw each other in 1945 when he took John to Blackpool, England, intending to move to New Zealand but Julia was determined to keep her son; although John was living with her sister, Mimi Smith. Despite being legally married, Julia gave birth to Victoria in 1945 from a relationship and was forced to give the baby up for adoption; that same year, Julia became involved with John Albert Dykins- they had two daughters, Julia and Jacqueline. By 1958, Julia was close to her son, allowing him to rehearse with the Quarrymen at her home and attending his early gigs until she was accidentally killed by being run over by an off duty drunk policeman.

Alfred and John remain estranged until John was famous with the Beatles and tried to contact in 1964 during the making of "A Hard Day's Night" but John refused. Alfred tried again in 1965 by coming to his home in Weybridge, Surrey with Cynthia letting him in where he met Julian for the first time. Alfred remarried to Pauline Jones in 1968 and they had two sons, David and Robin. John spoke to his father a few times until Alfred died from cancer; he offered to pay for the funeral by Pauline refused.



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Victoria Elizabeth Stanley

June 15, 1945 Liverpool, England

Julia gave her up for adoption under her father's orders as she was not financial stable and caring for her son, John as well as being technically married as Victoria was a result from another relationship. Victoria was adopted by Peder and Margaret Pedersen and was renamed Ingrid Marie. In the 1960s, John was told by his Aunts that he had another sister and tried to look for her unsuccessfully; in 1966 Ingrid discovered that she was John's sister but kept quiet under her adoptive mother's request until her death in 1998. Ingrid was then living in England as a nurse and announced her identity. Ingrid has met Yoko Ono and only met her biological family of the Stanleys in 2005 although they had mentioned that she was welcome into the fold.

 

Julia Dykins Baird

March 5, 1947, Liverpool, England

After her mother's death in 1958, Julia and Jacqui were sent to Julia's sister Harriet Birch to live and their father, John Dykins (known as Bobby) visiting. In August of 1968, Julia married Allan Baird and had lived in Ireland for many years before moving back to England; Julia is the mother of Nicholas, Sarah, and David. Julia didn't speak to John since 1966 until 1975 when John wanted to speak to her and was trying to established contact with his family after a few years. Julia worked as a French teacher and is in contact with Julian while only meeting Sean rarely.

John Lennon My Brother 1988

Imagine This: Growing Up with my Brother John Lennon 2007

 

Jacqueline Gertrude Dykins

October 26, 1949, Liverpool, England

After Julia's death in 1958, Julia and Jacqui moved in with their Aunt Harriet Birch with their father, Bobby Dykins, visiting occasionally. During the 1970s, Jacqui was a shop girl but fell on hard times as a heroin addict. In the 1980s, Jacqui recovered and gave birth to her son, John, and worked as a hairstylist.

 

David Henry Lennon

February 26, 1969

 

Robin Francis Lennon

October 23, 1973
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on November 26, 2011, 01:08:06 AM
Hey Toejam,I meant to type Julia,not Cynthia.My mistake.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on November 26, 2011, 01:24:51 AM
Oh yea...See Ingrid awkwardly plug her book on french television at www.dailymotion.com/.../xf9dpq_ingrid-pedersen-lennon (http://www.dailymotion.com/.../xf9dpq_ingrid-pedersen-lennon)
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on December 04, 2011, 07:11:29 AM
I know that link might not work,so google daily motion and Ingrid full name.  A french site called Yellow Submarine has several fan reactions to the broadcast. I'm still struggling with her book. I've given up on locating that David Lennon interview. I think I've located Dave! Something some one said jogged my memory on something Dave said in the interview. On a stranger note, I'm about to try and find out if any of John's final interviews with the CBC months before his death still exist. The final memory of me ever hearing him on the radio when he was alive was an interview about him looking for Ingrid.
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Toejam on December 04, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
I know that link might not work,so google daily motion and Ingrid full name.  A french site called Yellow Submarine has several fan reactions to the broadcast. I'm still struggling with her book. I've given up on locating that David Lennon interview. I think I've located Dave! Something some one said jogged my memory on something Dave said in the interview. On a stranger note, I'm about to try and find out if any of John's final interviews with the CBC months before his death still exist. The final memory of me ever hearing him on the radio when he was alive was an interview about him looking for Ingrid.
I didn't know David had done an interview. I'd love to know what he and Robin and Pauline have to say. Is Pauline still alive?
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Banatic on December 05, 2011, 06:31:52 AM
Yes,Pauline is still alive,but from what I remember from what Dave said in the interview,she and Robin aren't very likely to do any interviews with anyone at all. If you read my previous entries on this form,you'll find out how to see Dave's wedding on YouTube. It was comparing photos of Pauline on another site  and a prominently shown woman in the video that made me realize that they were one and the same,although slightly older. Pauline did do some interviews in the past, I think the last was in the early 1980s. When she had just married Alfred,she actually lived with John and Cynthia,functioning as both a secretary and also as a nanny for Julien,until circumstances drove her out. After that she didn't want anything to do with John's family,or his fans. Pauline also remarried after Alfred's death
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: Badgirl66 on December 05, 2011, 01:06:48 PM
Pauline Stone was the last Name of her
Title: Re: John's siblings
Post by: qunvat on June 07, 2012, 07:47:21 AM
Hi,

Have just joined the forum....stumbled across it on Sunday after a gig when John (Lennon, real name but lets not go there just now!) said the real Lennon had relatives here (I live in Brighton).

I'm a Beatles fan but NOT an obsessive (not knocking 'em and lots of people I work with ARE!) and run and play in a successful Beatles tribute called The Beatles For Sale (www.thebeatlesforsale.co.uk (http://www.thebeatlesforsale.co.uk)).

Was very interested in any info on what the half brothers are up to now?? I also play in a local originals band (mumdadandthekids.co.uk) and you never know may have even stumbled across them at some stage without even knowing!

Fascinating.

Thanks, Si