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Title: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 19, 2005, 08:13:56 AM
I've heard the whole story about how they met at the gallery and the YES on the ceiling thing, but is that the first time they met? How about what Paul says about Yoko coming to him to use some songs or something and he sent her to John. Is that when they first met? Did she come on to Paul first? He sort of eludes to that in interviews. Anyway, I'm wondering what the order of events were in how they met and all. Just wondering if anyone knows for sure. BTW, didn't she claim not to know anything about the Beatles when she met him? That's why Paul loves to tell the story. It shows she was full of it. Which he also sort of said in an interview. In a roundabout kinda way.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: on March 19, 2005, 03:28:50 PM
As far as I know, they met at Robert Fraser's Indica gallery for that exhibition, then later on she wanted John to help sponsor one of her openings or 'pieces. Also rumored that she came on to Paul first but probably not much of an effort, John was the easy target. She said time and time again that she didn't know anything about the Beatles, it even gets mentioned by John in the Playboy interview you know inside and out.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 19, 2005, 10:12:09 PM
Apparently I don't know it that well. Or i don't pay enough attention to her parts. Anyway, I'm wondering when she went to Paul for the songs or whatever. Before or after the gallery thing. It sounds like before the way Paul tells it. He even mentioned it in that Rock and Roll Hall of Fame speech. A subtle dig at Yoko in my opinion. Or not so subtle.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: on March 19, 2005, 10:34:53 PM
PLAYBOY: "Yoko, were you a Beatles fan?"

ONO: "No. Now I notice the songs, of course. In a restaurant, John will point out, 'Ahh, they're playing George' or something."
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 19, 2005, 10:37:37 PM
Yeah, she needs John to point the songs out for her. Right. I think Heather went to the school of Yoko cuz I've heard her say similiar things.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 19, 2005, 10:40:55 PM
I wish I could find a transcript of Paul on the Howard Stern show because they got into a lot of Yoko stuff on it. It's hard to remember exactly what he said, but he did imply the stuff about Yoko looking for a Beatle and when she couldn't get him she went to John. He says it in a more cryptic way of course, but because Stern is so relentless, you can sort of figure out where Paul is coming from.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: TurnMeOnDeadman on March 19, 2005, 11:14:23 PM
Yoko ono was a slut
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: on March 20, 2005, 01:04:00 AM
I see another Yoko bashing thread has started

Quote from: TurnMeOnDeadman
Yoko ono was a slut

And you know that how? Were you around at the time? Did she 'come on' to you?

Really, if you're going to make such a vicious statement about somebody you should know who they are personally. I suspect (although I shouldn't) that you have never met the woman, never spoken to her or had any contact with her what so ever. So either I'm totally wrong or you've come to that conclusion from a few things you have heard from certain places and have belived in to the full.

P.S. There's alot of BS out there.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: pc31 on March 20, 2005, 05:12:47 AM
Quote from: TheMasterOfGoingFaster
I see another Yoko bashing thread has started



And you know that how? Were you around at the time? Did she 'come on' to you?

Really, if you're going to make such a vicious statement about somebody you should know who they are personally. I suspect (although I shouldn't) that you have never met the woman, never spoken to her or had any contact with her what so ever. So either I'm totally wrong or you've come to that conclusion from a few things you have heard from certain places and have belived in to the full.

P.S. There's alot of BS out there.
i agree.........
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: TurnMeOnDeadman on March 20, 2005, 05:28:48 AM
Quote from: pc31
i agree.........

i agree too, only I didnt just speak my mind, someone said it in a interview.."Yoko ono was a slut, so maybe she did go on tp Paul before John"..or something like that i heard somewhere, I wasnt bashing Yoko, she was married to someone at the time so it could have been true

Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: TurnMeOnDeadman on March 20, 2005, 05:30:01 AM
Quote from: TheMasterOfGoingFaster
I see another Yoko bashing thread has started



And you know that how? Were you around at the time? Did she 'come on' to you?

Really, if you're going to make such a vicious statement about somebody you should know who they are personally. I suspect (although I shouldn't) that you have never met the woman, never spoken to her or had any contact with her what so ever. So either I'm totally wrong or you've come to that conclusion from a few things you have heard from certain places and have belived in to the full.

P.S. There's alot of BS out there.


If i can find the link, Ill private message it to you, maybe you can copy and paste that paragraph to the authors
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 20, 2005, 05:48:14 AM
...anyway, I started the thread because there was a discussion going on at a Floyd forum I go to about how they met. Someone said it was rumored that Syd had something to do with it. Which i though was funny. Then I was curious as to the events and the order of how they actually did meet. Since different things have been said. If I say something about Yoko being full of it when she said she didn't know anything about the Beatles, it's my opinion and I have the right to express it. I'm not bashing her. That's hardly a bash and I was going by something McCartney has said. Which I believe. Why would he lie about that. I mean come on.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 20, 2005, 07:42:15 PM
A married person who is found in bed with another married person and shows no remorse for it whatsoever constitutes as a slut in my mind.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 20, 2005, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: Mairi
A married person who is found in bed with another married person and shows no remorse for it whatsoever constitutes as a slut in my mind.

Unless they're married to each other! ;D

Sorry, couldn't resist ...
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 20, 2005, 08:14:25 PM
daaaaaamn, I didn't catch that! good one...
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on March 20, 2005, 08:17:14 PM
Mairi - I know I've said this before when you claimed to be only young (14 or 15 I think you said) - but you act way more mature than that. Some posters here would get royally p*ssed off at what I said, but you took it as it was intended.

Don't ever leave this board: it needs folk like you!
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 20, 2005, 08:34:33 PM
Well, thank you. I get told I'm mature a lot, but I don't really see it... Someone who enjoys watching Recess can't be all that mature.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 20, 2005, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Mairi
A married person who is found in bed with another married person and shows no remorse for it whatsoever constitutes as a slut in my mind.

So what's the male equivalent to a slut? I mean what would we call John? That was a low moment for him that's for sure. VERY passive aggressive. I wonder why he didn't just have the courage to leave her in a normal way.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 20, 2005, 08:51:39 PM
BTW Mairi, Chicago's good isn't it. Love that part!
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 20, 2005, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Maccalvr

So what's the male equivalent to a slut? I mean what would we call John? That was a low moment for him that's for sure. VERY passive aggressive. I wonder why he didn't just have the courage to leave her in a normal way.

A man-slut, I guess. John's great and all but that was a terrible thing he did to Cynthia. I could never justify it.

Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: frightenedandscared on March 20, 2005, 09:28:19 PM
Or what Paul did to Jane...
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 20, 2005, 09:51:07 PM
Yeah, that was pretty rotten too. But at least Jane didn't walk in on Paul and another woman.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: on March 20, 2005, 11:36:35 PM
I'll put on my sensitive feminist hat for a moment.  There is a duality that is unfair but will probably always exist. If men score with alot of women they are a 'stud'. A woman who is with several men is labeled a 'slut'. Paul, by the way, did get caught by Jane. He was either with Linda (I'm pretty sure) or Francie Schwartz.  There's a part in the great book "Shout" by Phillip Norman where one of the regulars who would hold vigil outside his Cavendish Avenue home said that Jane had returned early from holiday, the girls out front kept ringing his buzzer to warn him, but he thought they were putting him on. She walked in, then stormed out, and later her mother came over to take some of her effects from the house. They reconciled for awhile, but not long.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 21, 2005, 12:33:59 AM
Oh that's right, I forgot about that.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 21, 2005, 01:09:05 AM
I'm pretty sure it was Francie cuz I'm pretty sure it was Francie who told that story. I thought Jane was long gone before Linda. Anyway, Francie also tells a story about the day or so before he was to wed Linda. He came to her crying but didn't say anything and so on. Then the next thing she knows he's married to Linda. Who knows.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Sondra on March 21, 2005, 01:14:08 AM
Here's Francie's answer on it:

Q: There is the persistent story that Jane Asher caught you and Paul together, leading to their breakup. True or false?

A: False. They were on the verge of breaking up when I arrived in London. Right after I met Paul he went to his farm in Scotland, and I believe Jane was with him, and that they were trying to work it out, but failed, because he came on with me as soon as he got back to London. I detail the actual events in the E! TV interview. Bottom line: She did come to the house one morning and knock on the bedroom door... but that was well after she had announced that the engagement was off, on TV. I believe that the "sound bite" psychology is what contributed to the myth that persists even today. It's a simple explanation for a very complicated and hard to condense process that was ongoing.  

Here's the link: http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/francie.htm
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 21, 2005, 01:32:12 AM
If that is true, I'm pretty sure it was Francie. I know she says to the contrary, but this is a woman of... loose morals, so to speak. I wouldn't take to heart everything she says.

Well, whatever the case, the whole thing sure was a messy affair. I pity Jane and/or Linda for getting caught up in all of that. But then Paul married Linda and everything was roses so... I guess everything happens for a reason.
Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: on March 21, 2005, 02:31:13 AM
Quote from: Maccalvr
I'm pretty sure it was Francie cuz I'm pretty sure it was Francie who told that story. I thought Jane was long gone before Linda. Anyway, Francie also tells a story about the day or so before he was to wed Linda. He came to her crying but didn't say anything and so on. Then the next thing she knows he's married to Linda. Who knows.

I think there was some crossover between Linda and Jane. Paul certainly met Linda before the breakup. I think she was one of a handful of photgraphers/press people that was allowed to the Sgt. Pepper shoot, and they had met at the Bag O' Nails club, so its possible things were in motion, just not full steam ahead.



Title: Re: John and Yoko Question
Post by: Mairi on March 21, 2005, 04:13:27 PM
Yeah, they first met at the Sgt Pepper's release. They didn't meet up again until 68 after Paul and Jane broke up, though, I'm pretty sure of that.