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Solo forums => Paul McCartney => Topic started by: on May 07, 2006, 10:24:36 AM
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MCCARTNEY MARRIAGE MYSTERY
Sir Paul's wife speaks out after rumours that their relationship is suffering from strain Paul and I are still together I'm just staying low after op
By Alice Walker
FORMER Beatle Sir Paul McCartney's wife Heather last night denied her marriage is in crisis.
Insiders claim the four-year marriage has become stormy. Last week the couple were living in separate homes despite Heather, 38, undergoing radical surgery on her part-amputated leg three weeks ago.
But the former model last night rubbished claims that she and Sir Paul, 63, were splitting up.
Speaking exclusively to The People, she said: "It's hilarious. Paul and I are still very much together.
"The proper story is that three weeks ago Paul and I went to America and I had to go and have my leg operated on again.
"Some people have been trying to get pictures of me in a wheelchair so I have had to stay really low so that they don't get the picture
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The rumours seem to be getting stronger.
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I believe nothing 'til it happens.
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One can only hope..
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Found this. Just gossip?
Sir Paul McCartney has gone on holiday alone - further fuelling speculation that his marriage is in trouble.
The Beatles legend - who is married to model and animal rights activist Heather Mills - was spotted in the South of France taking a walk and relaxing with a drink on his own.
Yesterday (11.05.06) onlookers described the 63-year-old musician as looking "lost in his own thoughts" when he left his five-star hotel on the border of France and Monaco.
McCartney's solo holiday comes just 10 days after allegations of a bust-up with 37-year-old Mills, which reportedly resulted in the couple "cooling off" in separate homes, located 50 miles apart.
Friends of the couple are claiming the time the two have spent apart is an indication there are experiencing marital problems.
A source told Britain's Daily Mail newspaper: "They have been rowing constantly recently. She is angry that he gets so much adulation from fans and is one of the most famous people on the planet, while she feels she should get just as much respect for being a model and a campaigner."
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A source told Britain's Daily Mail newspaper: "They have been rowing constantly recently. She is angry that he gets so much adulation from fans and is one of the most famous people on the planet, while she feels she should get just as much respect for being a model and a campaigner."
Yeah, 'cause being a crappy model whose career got a signifigant boost after she became a philanthropist (sp?) is just as important as being one of the greatest songwriters of all tie from one of the greatest bands of all time.
Please. ::)
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I believe nothing 'til it happens.
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hmmm.....I don't think Paul is the type of splitting up so quickly. Here's another article:
"Macca has look of a sad and lonely man amid fears for his marriage
SOMEONE call Sgt Pepper - Paul McCartney looks on the verge of rejoining the Lonely Hearts Club band.
Fears for the former Beatle's four-year marriage to Heather Mills grew yesterday, after he was spotted travelling on a trip to the South of France on his own.
Earlier this week, the former model insisted there was no rift between her and Paul after it emerged they had been living in different houses.
But Maccas solo trip to the village of Beaulieu Sur Mer, near Monaco, begs the question just how close is the 63-year-old to his 38-year-old bride?
Paul cut a lonely figure as he wandered across a public road, clutching a book and a string bag. And he looked even more downcast later as he drank alone in a bar.
One drinker said: Macca looked very pensive. He spent ages on his mobile in a long and involved call. He didnt look very happy. After his lager he had another long call and then walked back to his hotel.
Officially, Paul is in France for a business meeting with the distributors of his video. But there was not one adviser, PA or assistant with him for the trip.
One source said: Its very unusual for him to travel or work alone. Theres a strong feeling he needs time on his own.
Nobodys sure its all over but Paul doesnt look like a happy man who is comfortable with his private life.
The couple started dating after meeting at the Daily Mirrors Pride of Britain Awards in 1999. They tied the knot in 2002 in Monaghan, Ireland. He didnt sign a pre-nuptial agreement to protect his £825million fortune.
But this month reports emerged that the couple who had a daughter, Beatrice, in 2003, were drifting apart. Heather moved 55 miles away to their seafront home in Hove, E Sussex, weeks after having an operation on her leg.
But yesterday, it was believed she was back at the McCartneys main family home in Peasmarsh, E Sussex.
Denying there were problems in the marriage, Heather said: Its hilarious. Paul and I are together 100 per cent.
But insiders believe the chances of the pair working out their differences are receding by the day.
One told 3am Heather is struggling to cope with Maccas fame, feeling that she should receive as much attention as him.
They told us: People scream out Pauls name in the street but dont give Heather a glance. Shes a fiercely independent woman but she feels she had to battle to be Heather Mills instead of Paul McCartneys wife.
Lets just hope theres still a chance for them to say We Can Work It Out "
to be found here: Mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/tm_objectid=17067639&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=is-it-the-end--name_page.html)
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Same newspaper reported this today:
WE CAN'T WORK IT OUT
PAUL McCartney is seeking a formal trial split from wife Heather because he believes they can no longer endure their private hell. In recent months the couple's always stormy four-year marriage has been punctuated by ever more explosive rows. They were due to have crisis talks at the weekend. But Macca, 63, decided he could not face another emotionally draining bust-up.
He told one friend: "We really can't go on like this. It's not fair on either of us. Enough is enough." A source disclosed: "Paul hasn't come to this decision lightly, but felt things couldn't carry on as they were. "He and Heather were getting on so badly it became impossible for them to sleep under the same roof. "Paul is desperately hoping some time apart will give them the space to work out whether they want the relationship to continue. "It's terribly sad for them. We're very concerned it's all over. But nobody has entirely lost hope."
Sir Paul, who insists the couple can rekindle their love, is expected to tell close family and friends of his bombshell decision today. Last night Heather, 38, was being comforted by her sister Fiona. For three weeks the former model has been staying at the couple's home in Hove, East Sussex, recovering from a leg operation. Macca has remained on the family farm in Peasmarsh, 55 miles away. As marital tensions mounted daughter Beatrice, two, was shuttled between the two homes by a chauffeur so the couple did not meet.
Then last week, Paul took a solo trip to the village of Beaulieu-sur-Mer, near Monaco, cutting a lonely figure. An insider revealed: "They are obviously having big problems and their behaviour over the last few days raises some worrying questions.
"Why wouldn't Paul come to see Heather and Beatrice in Hove? It's deeply out of character for him to be staying away from his wife as she recovers from surgery.
"Paul is always quick to leap to Heather's defence. But there's a deafening silence from his camp. "Heather has also said the main reason for staying in Hove is she's worried about being photographed. But security is much bigger at Peasmarsh. Why isn't she there?"
Paul fell for Heather at the Mirror's Pride of Britain Awards in 1999 a year after Linda, his first wife of 29 years, died from cancer. The couple began dating soon afterwards. Despite concerns from Paul's children, particularly daughter Stella, they married in 2002. Strains soon emerged. Independent minded Heather, who lost her leg when she was hit by a motorcycle in 1993, was said to resent living in Macca's shadow. While she wanted to step up her charity work, Paul wanted her to cut back on commitments. Insiders believe the writing was on the wall when Paul refused to quash reports their marriage was in crisis. His spokesman said last night: "We have absolutely no comment."
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Looks official now!
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4989240.stm
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BLIMEY!!!
I blame Yoko!!! ;)
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I heard it's official now.
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Yep, it is official. I just read it on Yahoo news. Oh well...She always seemed too uptight for him in my opinion. Though I feel bad for him because breakups are never an easy thing for anyone to go through.
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I always thought I'd be happy the day they split, but all I can think about is the poor kid.
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i feel bad for them because i knew this would happen sooner or later, but i really feel sorry for the daughter
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Blaming the media when you've been throwing yourself in front of them at every opportunity you get?
I just hope she doesn't get any of Paul's catalog. God help us!
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This must be very distressing for the old man, how many other people of his age have break-ups, I hope he don't get too down on this, I think we should all e-mail him, give him an ounce of encouragement.
Paul, you can toke again! ;-D
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I wonder what Dot Rhone's up to these days? Give her a call, mate.
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How can you e-mail him? I think thats a very good idea and I'd wanna do anything to help lift his spirits.
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His reign of being the only Beatle to never divorce has come to a close.
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They haven't divorced. f***ing hell, if they do that b**** gets half of his estate!
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I don't know the divorce laws re. community property in England, but 200 million pounds is the figure floating around. About a fourth of his wealth. I'm sure Paul will take care of her handsomely, especially given their daughter, but ouch!
Poor little Beatrice. A father who will be almost 80 by the time she's fifteen and a mother who is a flake. I hope her half-sibs will connect with her in a meaningful way.
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This is all they were talking about on the radio this morning. All the guys were blaming Heather. They kept going on about how Paul wasn't the type to get divorced, how he rushed into this, that he was married to Linda for 30 something years and that when he was in concert he would always sing tributes to 'his wife Linda' and never even mention Heather. It's funny how all those years everyone ragged on Linda and now she's a saint. I definitely think she was his soul mate. He never seemed matched with this one. 200 million though. Not bad for four years of her time. Some guy on the radio said he'd have done it for a grand. Spent time with him that is. At least Paul's getting some love for a change. How refreshing.
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I'm not getting at either of them, I'm sure they love/loved each other dearly, if they didn't they wouldn't have married and certaintly wouldn't have had a child but she seems to have a few issues that only she can sort out for herself, IMO.
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Lots of people have kids to save a marriage. Just sayin'.
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Just my opinion: When two people are passionate about anything causes, distress, tragedy, etc., there is a connection which often times gets mistaken for love/ soulmates, etc. To Wit: When Christie Brinkley and that Real Estate magnate from Telluride got into that helicopter crash, they were instantly bonded by an absolutely unique circumstance, felt close because only they could understand what they went through, and decided it was love. She left Billy Joel, and her marriage to this guy lasted 8 months because the only thing they really had in common was this helicopter crash. Paul will never get over Linda. Ever. He found in Heather someone that shared the same passion for the rights of animals, the land-mine cause, etc., and in the mean time, probably had some laughs, made love, felt close and on and on. They didn't have much time for passion. They were always on planes, going here, going there, interviewing, etc. They never had time to get to know each other and sooner or later, that bond you started out with is going to wear thinner and thinner- there just aren't enough hours in the day. They had two choices-sit in a room or go out where the papparazzi is going to follow your every move. This marriage didn't stand a chance. It's just another example of how you can't do anything out of passion, because passion will f*** you up, but we mere mortals will never experience the esoteric and unique position they were/are in. I feel bad for both of them. They both, no doubt, care and love one another, I don't know if they were ever in love, but I'm sure they loved each other. She grew alot in the past 5 years or however long they've known each other, but they just had no hope. Whatever she ends up with, she will be fine, and so will Paul, he's not about to go broke. I don't think she's a loser or a a gold-digger, she just ended up with a guy. A famous guy. And she didn't even know his music. Paul will carry a torch for the rest of his life, and let's just hope he doesn't end up getting married 50 times trying to find Linda.
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All of this kinda puts a bummer on 'Driving Rain' and 'Chaos and Creation in the Backyard' don't it?
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Just my opinion: When two people are passionate about anything causes, distress, tragedy, etc., there is a connection which often times gets mistaken for love/ soulmates, etc. To Wit: When Christie Brinkley and that Real Estate magnate from Telluride got into that helicopter crash, they were instantly bonded by an absolutely unique circumstance, felt close because only they could understand what they went through, and decided it was love. She left Billy Joel, and her marriage to this guy lasted 8 months because the only thing they really had in common was this helicopter crash. Paul will never get over Linda. Ever. He found in Heather someone that shared the same passion for the rights of animals, the land-mine cause, etc., and in the mean time, probably had some laughs, made love, felt close and on and on. They didn't have much time for passion. They were always on planes, going here, going there, interviewing, etc. They never had time to get to know each other and sooner or later, that bond you started out with is going to wear thinner and thinner- there just aren't enough hours in the day. They had two choices-sit in a room or go out where the papparazzi is going to follow your every move. This marriage didn't stand a chance. It's just another example of how you can't do anything out of passion, because passion will f*** you up, but we mere mortals will never experience the esoteric and unique position they were/are in. I feel bad for both of them. They both, no doubt, care and love one another, I don't know if they were ever in love, but I'm sure they loved each other. She grew alot in the past 5 years or however long they've known each other, but they just had no hope. Whatever she ends up with, she will be fine, and so will Paul, he's not about to go broke. I don't think she's a loser or a a gold-digger, she just ended up with a guy. A famous guy. And she didn't even know his music. Paul will carry a torch for the rest of his life, and let's just hope he doesn't end up getting married 50 times trying to find Linda.
All of that makes a lot of sense, but I don't really know if I buy the whole she didn't know his music thing. I think I believe that about as much as I believe that Yoko didn't know who the Beatles were. But if she and the cave people don't know Beatles music then they don't and I apologize to them.
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"well Paul, you seem a little upset. Is she still on your mind?"
"yea, her 200 million that she took from me. i don't care what she does now, but that money was going to be used to bring Linda back."
"Linda? but shes been dead for a while Paul?"
"But her severed head is right next Ted Williams, so maybe I'll get a new wife that can knock it out of the park on a regular basis."
i know, that was terrible, but i know he'd probably chuckle a little at that.
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i know, that was terrible, but i know he'd probably chuckle a little at that.
I don't know about the Ted Williams head but this is funny:
Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter?
Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.
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All of that makes a lot of sense, but I don't really know if I buy the whole she didn't know his music thing. I think I believe that about as much as I believe that Yoko didn't know who the Beatles were. But if she and the cave people don't know Beatles music then they don't and I apologize to them.
I would have a tough time believing that as well, but I met a person a few months back that likes Country music and said she only knew one Beatles song. Hard to believe, but they are either well known or hardly at all, not icons or their songs being at least somewhat known. Unfortunate, but it's becoming black and white rather than gray.
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"well Paul, you seem a little upset. Is she still on your mind?"
"yea, her 200 million that she took from me. i don't care what she does now, but that money was going to be used to bring Linda back."
"Linda? but shes been dead for a while Paul?"
"But her severed head is right next Ted Williams, so maybe I'll get a new wife that can knock it out of the park on a regular basis."
i know, that was terrible, but i know he'd probably chuckle a little at that.
What the f*** is wrong with you? Somebody get this twat out of here. Stupid c*nt.
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Now, now, thats a sh*te joke and a sick one and I doubt Macca would laugh at it. But there's no need to get all abusive. You stupid f***ing tosser.
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[But there's no need to get all abusive. You stupid f***ing tosser.[/quote]
Hold on a second. You say there's no need to get all abusive and then call me a stupid f***ing tosser? Actually, that has a nice ring to it you 18 year old feltch-suck. I'll never understand why this site attracts so much teenage Eurosh*t. A tosser. Nice. Let me guess, you are going to say something brilliant like 'f*** off' like you did a few topics back to some other members. I think you, SomeDude, and Lennonlegend should get together, get bombed off of two lagers and consumate the love baby. You are all the same sort of poofed pimpled losers.
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Hold on a second. You say there's no need to get all abusive and then call me a stupid f***ing tosser? Actually, that has a nice ring to it you 18 year old feltch-suck. I'll never understand why this site attracts so much teenage Eurosh*t. A tosser. Nice. Let me guess, you are going to say something brilliant like 'f*** off' like you did a few topics back to some other members. I think you, SomeDude, and Lennonlegend should get together, get bombed off of two lagers and consumate the love baby. You are all the same sort of poofed pimpled losers.
Now, in my very best dead-pan... You don't understand irony. ;-)
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I would have a tough time believing that as well, but I met a person a few months back that likes Country music and said she only knew one Beatles song. Hard to believe, but they are either well known or hardly at all, not icons or their songs being at least somewhat known. Unfortunate, but it's becoming black and white rather than gray.
I guess it's possible, but I also think that a lot of people may know Beatles songs without realizing it's the Beatles. It's like when I first play a Beatles CD to my students. A lot of them go, that's the Beatles? I know that song! They are so ingrained in our culture I just find it so hard to believe a person can not know of them or only be aware of one song. But then I'm so aware of them that I hear the even tiniest of references so it feels like they are everywhere. I guess it's more possible these days not to know them, but back when Yoko claimed ignorant? Nah!
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Now, in my very best dead-pan... You don't understand irony.
Maybe you should have used a winking smile face or something.
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Yoko knew of The Beatles just not the music. What on Earth would she gain from lying about that?
Anyways, deep in this darkest of nights I send out a prayer to Paul, I really do hope he's ok because I love him dearly. I'm sure we all care for him dearly and I'm sure he knows that. Bounce back Macca!
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Maybe you should have used a winking smile face or something.
Good idea, I'll add it. Rectified! ;D
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Yoko knew of The Beatles just not the music. What on Earth would she gain from lying about that?
Because then she wouldn't appear as just some groupie or starstruck fan. It's not like women never use a ploy to get a man. And even Paul questions her on this. She knew them and she knew their music. Which is why she wanted to use some lyrics for something or other and went to Paul first and so on. You know the story.
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Oh well, it don't matter, they fell in love and the rest, as they say, is history.
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Junior, I sent what you said here:
Just my opinion: When two people are passionate about anything causes, distress, tragedy, etc., there is a connection which often times gets mistaken for love/ soulmates, etc. To Wit: When Christie Brinkley and that Real Estate magnate from Telluride got into that helicopter crash, they were instantly bonded by an absolutely unique circumstance, felt close because only they could understand what they went through, and decided it was love. She left Billy Joel, and her marriage to this guy lasted 8 months because the only thing they really had in common was this helicopter crash. Paul will never get over Linda. Ever. He found in Heather someone that shared the same passion for the rights of animals, the land-mine cause, etc., and in the mean time, probably had some laughs, made love, felt close and on and on. They didn't have much time for passion. They were always on planes, going here, going there, interviewing, etc. They never had time to get to know each other and sooner or later, that bond you started out with is going to wear thinner and thinner- there just aren't enough hours in the day. They had two choices-sit in a room or go out where the papparazzi is going to follow your every move. This marriage didn't stand a chance. It's just another example of how you can't do anything out of passion, because passion will f*** you up, but we mere mortals will never experience the esoteric and unique position they were/are in. I feel bad for both of them. They both, no doubt, care and love one another, I don't know if they were ever in love, but I'm sure they loved each other. She grew alot in the past 5 years or however long they've known each other, but they just had no hope. Whatever she ends up with, she will be fine, and so will Paul, he's not about to go broke. I don't think she's a loser or a a gold-digger, she just ended up with a guy. A famous guy. And she didn't even know his music. Paul will carry a torch for the rest of his life, and let's just hope he doesn't end up getting married 50 times trying to find Linda.
To a friend of mine. He thinks it was well-written and sort of profound.
I can't help but understand a lot of these sentiments. Paul McCartney was a man who could have probably gotten any woman he desired, but he was able to stick with one, without any significant marital problems. The rest of the Beatles had been divorced once with somebody, but he carried a torch for a long time as the one Beatles who was able to have an excellent marriage with someone he carried deeply about, and only one marriage (until now, of course). I'm no expert on love and marriage by any stretch, but it would make sense that, after an experience such as that, one would long for another woman such as Linda.
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Eurosh*t.
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^ The guy must be running out of people to abuse. I found his rant at Mairi particuly disturbing. A thirty something guy hurling abuse at a 15 yearold like some pyscho jilted lover gave me the creeps. And we worry about Wayne or Dirk. Personally I'm getting sick of it. Disagree with people by all means, but don't abuse them for having different views. And if some teenager throws some swearwords at you, be the bigger man and treat it with the disdain it deserves. Check out how The End dealt with Masterfasters little tantrum the other day. It ain't so hard.
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People seem to make it a sport around here.....it's all a bit dis-enchanting.
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it is a hard call because its seemed provoked thru other posts....dwaynes not a bad guy he just can't communicate well with the new youth........al helped created this monster when he let him run the bootleg section.....you should ask him to shape up or ship out.....
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he may get mad but he is reasonable.........
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MESSAGE FROM PAUL - 17.05.2006
By now you will have probably heard the unfortunate news that Heather and I are going our separate ways. We have issued a statement expressing our sadness at this turn of events but I would like to let people know my feelings about some of the stories which have appeared in the media over the past few days.
I'm really disappointed that during a very difficult and emotional time for both Heather and myself there are certain people in the media who are writing things about Heather that are just plain untrue. It's been suggested that she married me for the money and there is not an ounce of truth in this. She is a very generous person who spends most of her time trying to help others in greater need than herself. All the work she does is unpaid so these stories are ridiculous and completely unfounded. I'm very sad to see that some insensitive people would choose a moment like this to spread these vicious rumours.
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ok paul,,,,i'll stop....
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yeah..same..wish my parents would though ;)
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^ The guy must be running out of people to abuse. I found his rant at Mairi particuly disturbing. A thirty something guy hurling abuse at a 15 yearold like some pyscho jilted lover gave me the creeps. And we worry about Wayne or Dirk. Personally I'm getting sick of it. Disagree with people by all means, but don't abuse them for having different views. And if some teenager throws some swearwords at you, be the bigger man and treat it with the disdain it deserves. Check out how The End dealt with Masterfasters little tantrum the other day. It ain't so hard.
I was the one that told him to take it easy.
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Junior, I sent what you said here:
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To a friend of mine. He thinks it was well-written and sort of profound.
I can't help but understand a lot of these sentiments. Paul McCartney was a man who could have probably gotten any woman he desired, but he was able to stick with one, without any significant marital problems. The rest of the Beatles had been divorced once with somebody, but he carried a torch for a long time as the one Beatles who was able to have an excellent marriage with someone he carried deeply about, and only one marriage (until now, of course). I'm no expert on love and marriage by any stretch, but it would make sense that, after an experience such as that, one would long for another woman such as Linda.
Very true, but she was one of a kind, at least to him, and he will be carrying a torch for her the rest of his life. He and Heather had some things in common, the courtship was hasty and there was no way. It's like if your favorite color is blue and you meet some chick whose favorite color is blue, and you decide to make a life decision based on that one thing, it's a longshot that it will work. It does make me sad for Paul because in alot of ways it goes to show how he was trying to fill a void that will never be filled. Glad your friend liked my wordy dissertation.
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That wasn't categorical. I was talking about a few of the kids on this site.
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^ The guy must be running out of people to abuse. I found his rant at Mairi particuly disturbing. A thirty something guy hurling abuse at a 15 yearold like some pyscho jilted lover gave me the creeps. And we worry about Wayne or Dirk. Personally I'm getting sick of it. Disagree with people by all means, but don't abuse them for having different views. And if some teenager throws some swearwords at you, be the bigger man and treat it with the disdain it deserves. Check out how The End dealt with Masterfasters little tantrum the other day. It ain't so hard.
You have no clue Kevin. Mind your own business.
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it is a hard call because its seemed provoked thru other posts....dwaynes not a bad guy he just can't communicate well with the new youth........al helped created this monster when he let him run the bootleg section.....you should ask him to shape up or ship out.....
Thanks PC. I'd gone 15 rounds with people that took me to task before the Bootleg Section was created. I don't like to argue, but if someone pushes, I push back. Thanks for the 'Creating a Monster' comment as well-I find that very insulting and unfair. If you think I've let that go to my head, you are terribly mistaken. I have suggested in the past that Bobber should be the Moderator--that boy has made an enormous contribution to that Forum, and I don't want the keys to the city. I've been kind to everyone on that Forum, even the people that have said sh*t about me in the past, etc. And it's Duane.
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ok JF, they have a point. i may make really, really, god-awful, "damn me to hell", terrible jokes, but i admit that it was terrible. you on the other hand, you dont understand that abusing other users is as bad, if not worst, then what Dirk and Wayne do. at least with wayne it was comical and we could all get a nice chuckle out of it.
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I ain't sayin' she's a goldigger... (grin)
But on a more serious note, I would like to say that after 30 years of what seemed like a perfect marriage (at least from the outside anyway) Paul's going to have a hard time finding someone like Linda. She came a ong at a time when he was at his worst. The band was breaking up, he was having self-doubts, etc. But Heather came along when he was already a successful Beatle/solo artist. So all she basically did was feed his ego.
Of course this is all speculation since I don't know Paul or Heather personally, but that's the way I tend to see this.
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I have suggested in the past that Bobber should be the Moderator--that boy has made an enormous contribution to that Forum, and I don't want the keys to the city.
I agree....I physically cannot be around as much...also, it's just not a lot of fun...just people taking things too seriously, sly, jealous jibing or manipulating/provoking situations to ease their own boredom. I just don't feel much beatle spirit around here anymore....That's no derogatory to the positive posters. I ain't even having a go at the retaliators for i have been guilty of that too. I have adhered to the guidelines of the forum and not tried to moderate too heavily....free speech an all that.....Still without being a drama queen it may be time for me to pass on the flame. As a self labeled yoda of sorts, there is too much b****in and dark vibes there is. I like sunshine in my life for the dark clouds are not going to dampen my soul.
Splitting hairs on the beatles is one thing, assuming that your personal views are above and better than anybody elses is another.....I just got tired of it. I'm happy how I dig The Beatles and I don't need no forum to re-enforce that. I seriously think Lennon would be pi**ing himself if he read half the crap on here.
Thanks for all interactions, I have gained soo much from this place....I ain't leaving, just gonna put my beatle energy into other areas for a bit (no not another forum.). I'll be keeping in touch with the great friends I have made on here....So it's ciao 4 now amigo's, Happy Beatling!!!! Al, Dmitry if you still need me, I'm here but I think Bobber is the man...fair, informative and helpful.
See you at The Isle of Wight festival if any of you can make it. Peace & Love.
:K)
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OK, well, all I have to say is: Don't sweat over the net. Some things are always going to be taken the wrong way but in the end we can all work it out.
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aww, good by apple. gonna miss you. as for the lack of beatle talk, i think most of it was because the ones that have been on here for a long time have learned and discussed most of any beatle related thing. this isnt like a computer or gaming forum where there is always something new. there is only so much you can learn about the greatest rock band before its all just repeated. we just dont have as many noobs about beatles trivia as we used to. now we're restricted to sporadic beatle related news and random polls.
you're not the only one whos kindve losing interest in the threads on this forum. as much as we love the beatles, sadly thats the only thing holding this place together so we're bound to end up ranting and flaming each others.
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I hate to see people going. Can we all take a vow to try to respect each other? Not to needlessly provoke each other? Not to be provoked? Generate some positive energy about something we all love--Beatles music?
I spend time on Television Without Pity forums (particularly, The Shield) and there's a general good vibe respect thing that goes on there. I don't know how it's moderated. But the comments are generally about the show and not about commenters agendae or personalities.
I see a lot of value in DM's forums. I've learned alot both about Beatles lore and Beatles appreciation and Beatles fandom. I think everything comes and goes and probably now's just a lull.
I think one of the problems of the web and forums is there's a tendency to respond immediately (and perhaps bitingly) without taking a deep breath first. I think, too, that the posts usually say more about the poster than the issue that's under discussion. Some of us are silly, some of us are angry, some of us take ourselves too seriously, some of us are pedantic, some of us are working out personal problems, some of us are wonderful, some of us are provocateurs, but all of us, I think, are beatific.
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and you think these flames are bad, ive seen some forums where people are just like major asses, worst than these on an epic scale.
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Yeah, the ones here aren't too bad. But this is a Beatles forums and The Beatles music stood for love, peace and understanding. Its kind of funny that us being fans would flame other fans who love beatles music despite the fact we love music that stands against petty fighting like the one displayed on this thread.
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yea, but we're not flaming eachothers love of beatles, we're flaming eachothers personalities
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I don't think people should leave or give up whenever it gets a little negative. It always passes. If you think the place needs more peace and love, then start spreading some of it. Eventually the vibe will become more positive. Like its done before. That's life. Don't give up so easily.
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Juniors good people in my book and I agree with him that Somedudes joke was f***ing stupid and in bad taste. At least make a joke somewhat funny.
I've been on this forum for 3 or 4 years and still only have 2700 some posts. The reason people leave and quit posting here is that theres a ton of people that have been here for 6 months and have 5000 posts. What the hell can they be possibly posting about? I guarantee you most of it isnt about the Beatles. Stupid sh*t and smiley faces only go so far.
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I don't like the fighting. I try not to participate in it, but I'll admit I've made some comments, particularly to Wayne and Ydoll (but at least Ydoll had something intelligent to say when he wasn't putting people down.)
I don't have anything against anyone here. Believe me, there is nothing that some faceless nobody over the internet can say than is worse than the remarks of my fellow highschoolers. ::)
Really, though. Peace and tolerance I always say.
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and when in doubt, just laugh at how far off track this thread has gone.
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You have no clue Kevin. Mind your own business.
You're right. I actually agonised over that post last night, and admit to quite a bit of trepidation when logging on this morning. My contribution * wasn't needed and didn't help any
* I just edited out a probably here. And JF, you have a Beatle knowledge and catalogue that blows my mind. And your Paul/Heather thing was f*cking profound. It's just the anger thing that bugs me. But lord knows I'm not perfect, and am in no position to preach.
Yes, I'm grovelling. I don't think we'll ever be best friends, but if I want to blab on about tolerance then I should but out. I'm not retracting everything I said, but f*ck, if you can tolerate me then I can do the same. When I say "agonised" I meant it.
Their ain't many of us old dudes left. Ying and yang and all that.
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Thanks PC. I'd gone 15 rounds with people that took me to task before the Bootleg Section was created. I don't like to argue, but if someone pushes, I push back. Thanks for the 'Creating a Monster' comment as well-I find that very insulting and unfair. If you think I've let that go to my head, you are terribly mistaken. I have suggested in the past that Bobber should be the Moderator--that boy has made an enormous contribution to that Forum, and I don't want the keys to the city. I've been kind to everyone on that Forum, even the people that have said sh*t about me in the past, etc. And it's Duane.
sorry about that misspelt name...it was not intentional...you don't think you have become harsher or less tolerant???????i do but thats just my opinion...i ain't trying to run you off or such..i just want you to be honest and acess........
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I agree....I physically cannot be around as much...also, it's just not a lot of fun...just people taking things too seriously, sly, jealous jibing or manipulating/provoking situations to ease their own boredom. I just don't feel much beatle spirit around here anymore....That's no derogatory to the positive posters. I ain't even having a go at the retaliators for i have been guilty of that too. I have adhered to the guidelines of the forum and not tried to moderate too heavily....free speech an all that.....Still without being a drama queen it may be time for me to pass on the flame. As a self labeled yoda of sorts, there is too much b****in and dark vibes there is. I like sunshine in my life for the dark clouds are not going to dampen my soul.
Splitting hairs on the beatles is one thing, assuming that your personal views are above and better than anybody elses is another.....I just got tired of it. I'm happy how I dig The Beatles and I don't need no forum to re-enforce that. I seriously think Lennon would be pi**ing himself if he read half the crap on here.
Thanks for all interactions, I have gained soo much from this place....I ain't leaving, just gonna put my beatle energy into other areas for a bit (no not another forum.). I'll be keeping in touch with the great friends I have made on here....So it's ciao 4 now amigo's, Happy Beatling!!!! Al, Dmitry if you still need me, I'm here but I think Bobber is the man...fair, informative and helpful.
See you at The Isle of Wight festival if any of you can make it. Peace & Love.
:K)
YOU AIN'T GOING NOWHERES girl private!!!!!
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I have to admit, I'm losing faith.
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I don't think people should leave or give up whenever it gets a little negative. It always passes. If you think the place needs more peace and love, then start spreading some of it. Eventually the vibe will become more positive. Like its done before. That's life. Don't give up so easily.
I couldn't agree more. And this thread is not very far off-topic... It's called 'Is This The End' and is started by Dirk.
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To get back on topic, I keep thinking of Paul's song "Sally G"--in regards to his current situation with HM. I've been down to those bars on Printer's Alley and know what he's singing about.
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I couldn't agree more. And this thread is not very far off-topic... It's called 'Is This The End' and is started by Dirk.
cdrap he is right....lets not do that here.....
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must not let dirk be right about something...the prophecy is revealed!
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You're right. I actually agonised over that post last night, and admit to quite a bit of trepidation when logging on this morning. My contribution * wasn't needed and didn't help any
* I just edited out a probably here. And JF, you have a Beatle knowledge and catalogue that blows my mind. And your Paul/Heather thing was f*cking profound. It's just the anger thing that bugs me. But lord knows I'm not perfect, and am in no position to preach.
Yes, I'm grovelling. I don't think we'll ever be best friends, but if I want to blab on about tolerance then I should but out. I'm not retracting everything I said, but f*ck, if you can tolerate me then I can do the same. When I say "agonised" I meant it.
Their ain't many of us old dudes left. Ying and yang and all that.
There's no need to grovel. I'm far from perfect and there's a zillion people on this site that will attest to that. I get myself into trouble by editorializing too much, but the truth is, I just don't have tolerance for some of the stupid crap that gets posted. Whoever it was (it doesn't matter) that initially posted about how profound and touching 'Plastic Ono Band' is, and his next post on same topic is how a U2 song reminds him of the first time he screwed his girlfriend. What is that? It's stupid, sophomoric b.s. and then I go off, and away we go. To PC--my demeanor hasn't changed one scintilla since I started here-Title or no Title--I have little tolerance for people that think they are above human status because of a title or because they have a couple initials after their name or whatever, and I wasn't comfortable with it then, and still am not. One categorical statement I need to make--We should try to start from scratch, stay focused, and I apologize to whoever I've offended in the past, some of it was deserved, some not, but it doesn't accomplish anything except cause problems. -Duane-
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ive been trying to figure out how to respond to that, since it was me that did the POB thing. so its 130 in the morning and i came up with the best response:
i can and have been able to be heartfelt and meaningful in some of my posts, but i just have to crack jokes and be obscene...at the same time mostly. i did that POB-U2 comments because i did feel that way about POB but i cant stand seriousness constantly, so i broke it up by boasting...not the best way...ok not a good way period to go. but its just how i am. i make jokes, boast or have deep thoughts. i dont mean to offend in the manners that i do but i just think differently and tolerate different things then others. i dont do this because i think i'm above you or have some "holier than thou" complex, i do it because i'm comfortable doing it. i'm sorry if i offended any of you. i know i'm a no good, pity whoric ass but its what makes me me. who knows, maybe ill take a sabatical after my 1000 post. clear the air of bad jokes in here for a little while
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Well on a positive musical note (it had to be typed..) I think PC's and Bobber's podcast websites are a great idea - and have some really good musical wealth on them.
And obviously the bootleg thread.
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Well on a positive musical note (it had to be typed..) I think PC's and Bobber's podcast websites are a great idea - and have some really good musical wealth on them.
And obviously the bootleg thread.
Thanks Indy...
And Rick...this place just isn't complete without you.
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May I suggest locking this thread? It's gone all over the place and no longer has any relevance to the original subject matter. Good idea? Anyone?
Love, Peace and Understanding. ;-D
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also, it's just not a lot of fun...just people taking things too seriously, sly, jealous jibing or manipulating/provoking situations to ease their own boredom. I just don't feel much beatle spirit around here anymore....That's no derogatory to the positive posters. I ain't even having a go at the retaliators for i have been guilty of that too. I have adhered to the guidelines of the forum and not tried to moderate too heavily....free speech an all that.....Still without being a drama queen it may be time for me to pass on the flame. As a self labeled yoda of sorts, there is too much b****in and dark vibes there is. I like sunshine in my life for the dark clouds are not going to dampen my soul.
Splitting hairs on the beatles is one thing, assuming that your personal views are above and better than anybody elses is another.....I just got tired of it. I'm happy how I dig The Beatles and I don't need no forum to re-enforce that. I seriously think Lennon would be pi**ing himself if he read half the crap on here.
And you want to put this into my hands? Thanks Rick, you're a real friend ;) . If Rick don't want to be a mod anymore, my feelings are a woman should do it. Sandra? As for me, I lack language and cultural knowledge of this merely anglo-american board to mod alright. On the other hand...how much does it pay? ;D
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I agree....I physically cannot be around as much...also, it's just not a lot of fun...just people taking things too seriously, sly, jealous jibing or manipulating/provoking situations to ease their own boredom. I just don't feel much beatle spirit around here anymore....That's no derogatory to the positive posters. I ain't even having a go at the retaliators for i have been guilty of that too. I have adhered to the guidelines of the forum and not tried to moderate too heavily....free speech an all that.....Still without being a drama queen it may be time for me to pass on the flame. As a self labeled yoda of sorts, there is too much b****in and dark vibes there is. I like sunshine in my life for the dark clouds are not going to dampen my soul.
Splitting hairs on the beatles is one thing, assuming that your personal views are above and better than anybody elses is another.....I just got tired of it. I'm happy how I dig The Beatles and I don't need no forum to re-enforce that. I seriously think Lennon would be pi**ing himself if he read half the crap on here.
Thanks for all interactions, I have gained soo much from this place....I ain't leaving, just gonna put my beatle energy into other areas for a bit (no not another forum.). I'll be keeping in touch with the great friends I have made on here....So it's ciao 4 now amigo's, Happy Beatling!!!! Al, Dmitry if you still need me, I'm here but I think Bobber is the man...fair, informative and helpful.
See you at The Isle of Wight festival if any of you can make it. Peace & Love.
:K)
Sorry, I've only just spotted this - blimey a lot has happened this Eurovision weekend!!
I'll send you a PM Rick :)
AL
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Or if anyone else wants to PM me - please feel free :)
I've ben really busy this weekend and didn't spot what had gone on with this thread till now :(
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this is why you shouldnt leave this place for more than 2 hours.
silly al, tricks are for kids
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Eventually this topic will go back on track. Probably when there's something more in the news on the situation. If not, then it will die a natural death. Has a thread ever been locked around here? I don't think it was ever necessary.
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want a premature death? ill mention U2, garrenteed thread killer
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We lay upon the grassy bank, my hands were all a quiver,
I slowly undid her suspender belt and her leg fell in the river.
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and as we laid there on the grass, i called her one-legged Jane,
we fooled around and played around, cause she didn't feel any pain
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This thread is back on track.
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Check out some of Heather's "modelling" work.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006250730,00.html
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These pics must have been well known for years - strange how they've suddenly appeared in the press!!!
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I agree. The timing is very suspect. Maybe Paul was paying hush-money until they split up or maybe he didn't know . . . who knows how complicated something like this could be.
I'd say, poor Paul, but poor Beatrice seems more apropos.
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It's not very shocking to me, this pictures I mean. I guess most models have pictures like these in their portfolio, sometimes taken when they needed the money. Regarding that, Heather won't have to do photoshoots like this any more.
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While I wouldn't want to see my wife like that, even if it was 5 years before I met her, she has a nice body, and at least Paulie got a piece.
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I'm sorry -"depraved pornographic clinches"???? What Sunday School teacher wrote that?
Britain has a history of page three girls - ladies who undress for the tabloids and engage in soft-porn - who are respected members of the UK entertainment scene. It doesn't seem Heather did much worse than that. Anyway, Paul got his todger out for the White Album, so fairs fair.
Sorry - but much ado about nothing.
"Depraved"? Too much.
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with all that money you'd think she would have bought a proper looking set of mams.....her eyes are exotic looking too.....i'd give her a 6....
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You gotta love the British tabloid hyperbole. I think they used to call the voice of over-the-top righteous outrage Mrs. Grundy.
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Ewwwwww, that is so gross. Such poor taste, even for the eighties.
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I do think the Sun has got some front for publishing those pics under such a sensationalistic headline though!
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Somebody was holding these pix waiting for just the right time to unload them. To the highest bidder, no doubt. They do seem to be more than just "nudes"--but maybe there is just a male/female double standard (Stallone did some porn early in his career, if I remember correctly).
But no matter what your situation, you just don't want it to be your wife in the photos. Ouch!
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Yes dey do look nice don't dey?
Dey do dough don't dey dough?
Dough?
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D'oh!
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Heather is claiming that the nude photos from the German book "The Joys of Loving" was an instructional manual not intended to gratify the viewer:
http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/index.jsp?fn=2006/06/07/229654.html&cvqh=itn_mccartney
Wonder if that's what she told Paul?
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LMAO
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This is surely one of Dirk's most succesfull threads.
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Ha ha! Good spot ;D
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This story just won't end. Now there are prostitution claims.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/426196p-359534c.html
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Yawn.
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Yawn.
The prostitution allegation isn't as interesting as the alleged "John"--Adnan Khashoggi, billionaire arms dealer. Not a guy to mess with. Don't know if he's a Beatles fan.
Check out the wikipedia entry for him. Queen wrote a song about him. And his sister is the mother of Dodi al-Fayed.
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It's not in the slightest bit interesting. Everyone has good baggage and bad baggage.
Beware the Devils Radio, don't be a broadcaster.
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(devil5) I kept wondering where those thoughts were coming from. (devil5)
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This is pretty odd. Three bottles of cleaning fluid? A security guard climbing a wall?
Poor Paul!
http://www.comcast.net/music/index.jsp?cat=MUSIC&fn=/2006/08/08/451226.html&cvqh=itn_mccartney