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Other music forums => Various Artists, Lyrics, Discographies => Topic started by: nimrod on January 10, 2014, 11:39:59 PM
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It was on telly here recently so I decided to spend my Friday night watching it.
I have to say, as someone who remembers the 69 original one I was very let down by this.
Theyre just not a band anymore, backing singers doing most of the 'real ' singing'.....like Honky Tonk Women, Mick was kind of 'talking ' the chorus, not singing at all... while the black gospel style singers were doing the high notes and filling out the sound, Ronnie was just posing around mainly doing what Keef told him and playing chords with the odd 3 second lead guitar fill, he even had a f** in his gob at one stage just to remind us he cant get through a set without a f**, Keef himself trying to look cool playing chords again a little riff now and then, huge headband hiding receding hairline, Mick strutting around with his spidery legs waving his arms about, the highlight was when the black lady came down the walkway and sang a solo (she could actually sing)
Oh for the days of 69 when Mick Taylor was there ripping it up with his devastating lead runs on his Les Paul.......pure tone. No posturising and posing, just talent. Even Bill Wyman showed class and attitude in those days, now its just some obscure bass player who's not in the band so no light on him, just a darkened session guy.
The Stones are now a caricature of themselves, like theyre own over the top tribute band. I even thought the huge video screens behind them were to stop us noticing how boring the old guys are nowadays.
Beast R & R band in the world my arse.
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It was on telly here recently so I decided to spend my Friday night watching it.
I have to say, as someone who remembers the 69 original one I was very let down by this.
Theyre just not a band anymore, backing singers doing most of the 'real ' singing'.....like Honky Tonk Women, Mick was kind of 'talking ' the chorus, not singing at all... while the black gospel style singers were doing the high notes and filling out the sound, Ronnie was just posing around mainly doing what Keef told him and playing chords with the odd 3 second lead guitar fill, he even had a f** in his gob at one stage just to remind us he cant get through a set without a f**, Keef himself trying to look cool playing chords again a little riff now and then, huge headband hiding receding hairline, Mick strutting around with his spidery legs waving his arms about, the highlight was when the black lady came down the walkway and sang a solo (she could actually sing)
Oh for the days of 69 when Mick Taylor was there ripping it up with his devastating lead runs on his Les Paul.......pure tone. No posturising and posing, just talent. Even Bill Wyman showed class and attitude in those days, now its just some obscure bass player who's not in the band so no light on him, just a darkened session guy.
The Stones are now a caricature of themselves, like theyre own over the top tribute band. I even thought the huge video screens behind them were to stop us noticing how boring the old guys are nowadays.
Beast R & R band in the world my arse.
Sounds a similar impression to my rewatching of their Four DVDs concert. As I reviewed here a few weeks ago.
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Oh for the days of 69 when Mick Taylor was there ripping it up with his devastating lead runs on his Les Paul.......pure tone. No posturising and posing, just talent.
Gimme Shelter
Gimmie Shelter 1972 Live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7vLY-kZsAI#)
1972
The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter (Hyde Park 2013) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBUX132olDc#ws)
2013
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Yep. Some nice guitar playing in that 72 clip.
I still think the Stones put on a fun show. But that's more reflecting their past glories. They're not doing too much musically of interest anymore. And in terms of recording anything of value that's thirty years past.
I said in another thread I'd probably prefer to hear a lot of their material done by a tribute band now. Too much of their stuff has been mixed into a mid paced blues rock stew without the defining musical characteristics of the songs as they used to play them.
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The Stones have been caricatures of themselves for at least 40 years now!
I recently had a purge of their CDs, including bootlegs, and, after the 60s, only 'Sticky Fingers' (which, apart from 'Sway', I've never liked) and the vastly over-rated 'Exile On Main Street' are clinging on for dear life on my shelf.
I know that (in this age of tongue-logo T-shirts on every surly kid, and huge box sets of dire concerts from 1981 - 1981!!!! - being sold for hundreds of pounds on the Stones web-site) my opinion is wildly out of fashion, but, frankly, no Brian Jones + no 60s = no Rolling Stones.
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Ronnie was just posing around mainly doing what Keef told him and playing chords with the odd 3 second lead guitar fill, he even had a f** in his gob at one stage just to remind us he cant get through a set without a f**...
Yeah. Well, here Keef and Billy both got f**s in their gobs...
The Rolling Stones - It's Only Rock 'n' Roll - LA Forum Live 1975 OFFICIAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6kagl0gcI0#)
1975
Ronnie's might have fallen on the floor. I think Mick would have been more intelligible if he had one in his gob too. ;D
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Thanks to this discussion I now have a better understanding of Everlasting Gobstoppers.
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And in terms of recording anything of value that's thirty years past.
I'd say forty years past.
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The Stones have been caricatures of themselves for at least 40 years now!
I recently had a purge of their CDs, including bootlegs, and, after the 60s, only 'Sticky Fingers' (which, apart from 'Sway', I've never liked) and the vastly over-rated 'Exile On Main Street' are clinging on for dear life on my shelf.
I know that (in this age of tongue-logo T-shirts on every surly kid, and huge box sets of dire concerts from 1981 - 1981!!!! - being sold for hundreds of pounds on the Stones web-site) my opinion is wildly out of fashion, but, frankly, no Brian Jones + no 60s = no Rolling Stones.
I agree with the whole idea, though I may appreciate Sticky Fingers and Exile On Main Street more than you do; both albums may be over-rated, but great anyway.
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Too much of their stuff has been mixed into a mid paced blues rock stew without the defining musical characteristics of the songs as they used to play them.
In other words they've turned into U2
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Thanks to this discussion I now have a better understanding of Everlasting Gobstoppers.
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Sorry to our American cousins
f** = Cigarette
Gob = Mouth
Telly = TV
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Yep. Some nice guitar playing in that 72 clip.
Sure was!
They're not doing too much musically of interest anymore. And in terms of recording anything of value that's thirty years past.
I'd say forty years past.
Well, between thirty and forty I reckon...
The Rolling Stones - Miss You - OFFICIAL PROMO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hic-dnps6MU#ws)
1978
The Rolling Stones - Start Me Up - Official Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyOaCXr8Lw#ws)
1981
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^
Whenever I click on the Start button, I think of that song...
Microsoft Windows 95 Launch Video - Start me Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0AJM6HMYjM#)
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Well, between thirty and forty I reckon...
The Rolling Stones - Miss You - OFFICIAL PROMO ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hic-dnps6MU#ws[/url])
1978
The Rolling Stones - Start Me Up - Official Promo ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyOaCXr8Lw#ws[/url])
1981
They recorded some classic songs after Exile On Main Street, of course, but I think that they weren't able to release a great album anymore.
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Well, between thirty and forty I reckon...
I tend to think of Tatoo You as the divide between recording group Stones and Live Show Stones. . Not that its a great album. It's arbitrary I know and probably coloured by my own bias. It's the last Stones album I bought and I bought it because it was the Stones. Not because I'd heard the songs and liked them. For me and my crowd at the time you'd still buy a stones album in the early 80s on reputation. Not after though. Being harsher I'd say that Some Girls had enough going for it to rate ok. That makes 35 to 36 years. Nearly bisecting the Thirty to forty year period. ;)
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In other words they've turned into U2
Well played sir. A palpable hit.
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I agree with the whole idea, though I may appreciate Sticky Fingers and Exile On Main Street more than you do; both albums may be over-rated, but great anyway.
Theyre both good albums, but I don't get the homage paid to Exile, its ok but not a masterpiece to me, too derivative.......Fingers is the better of the two imo
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Theyre both good albums, but I don't get the homage paid to Exile, its ok but not a masterpiece to me, too derivative.......Fingers is the better of the two imo
I love both albums, but I agree that Sticky Fingers is better, and a Top 3 along with Let It Bleed and Beggars Banquet. I even tend to like Aftermath and Between The Buttons more than Exile On Main Street, but the latter is still an album I really enjoy listening to.
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I still think the Stones put on a fun show. But that's more reflecting their past glories.
I agree. There's nothing wrong with that really...
The Rolling Stones - It's All Over Now, T.A.M.I Show, 1964 (#4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0DxBIP3wE#ws)
1964
The Rolling Stones - It's All Over Now - The O2 Arena - London - 25th November 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1c0tt7nHSs#ws)
2012
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If nothing else, it appears that we all like 'bits' of the Stones even if they may not be all the same bits!
Increasingly I find myself listening to the first three LPs and it's a scandal that the first two aren't on CD.
Imagine not being able to get 'Please Please Me' and 'With The Beatles'.
As for 'Sticky Fingers', I just find songs like 'Dead Flowers' and 'Can't You Hear Me Knocking' so unremittingly bleak. For the same reason, I don't really listen to the 'VU & Nico' LP.
'Exile' would have made a great single LP.
Keep Side two exactly as it is, and get the best five or six other songs for Side one.
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'Exile' would have made a great single LP.
Keep Side two exactly as it is, and get the best five or six other songs for Side one.
If I had to choose the best 9 songs of the album to make a single LP, they would be:
1. Rocks Off
2. Tumbling Dice
3. Torn And Frayed
4. Sweet Black Angel
5. Loving Cup
6. Happy
7. Let It Loose
8. All Down The Line
9. Shine A Light
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I accept it doesn't tell the whole story but.....
60s Rolling Stones singles - 15; number ones - 8.
Post-60s Rolling Stones singles - about 3,000 (who's counting!); number ones.....erm......0 (zero, zip, zilch).
I'd take those 15 45s over all those afterwards any day of the week, and I suspect they're worth a lot more on ebay!
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I accept it doesn't tell the whole story but.....
60s Rolling Stones singles - 15; number ones - 8.
Post-60s Rolling Stones singles - about 3,000 (who's counting!); number ones.....erm......0 (zero, zip, zilch).
they did in Oz :D
"Start Me Up" is a song by the Rolling Stones featured on the 1981 album Tattoo You. Released as the album's lead single, it reached #1 on Australian Kent Music Report, #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 and #7 on the UK Singles Chart.
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I still think the Stones put on a fun show. But that's more reflecting their past glories. They're not doing too much musically of interest anymore. And in terms of recording anything of value that's thirty years past.
Yes. There comes a time when a band can rest on its laurels...
Question
Moody Blues - Question (1970) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wDHvmCVRxU#)
1970
Question The Moody Blues Live At Red Rocks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YHIRGYlLlU#)
1992
The Moody Blues - Question (Nokia Theatre, Los Angeles CA 11/1/13) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_At-3kasbd0#ws)
2013
Bravo, Moody Blues!
Bravo, Rolling Stones!
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Post-60s Rolling Stones singles - about 3,000 (who's counting!); number ones.....erm......0 (zero, zip, zilch).
they did in Oz :D
"Start Me Up" is a song by the Rolling Stones featured on the 1981 album Tattoo You. Released as the album's lead single, it reached #1 on Australian Kent Music Report, #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 and #7 on the UK Singles Chart.
So did Angie in 1973. #1 in Australia, Canada, The Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, and the United States.
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Brown Sugar went to #1 on the charts in the United States in 1971 as did Miss You in 1978.
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So did Angie in 1973. #1 in Australia, Canada, The Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, and the United States.
I heard they were No 1 in Tibet too :D
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they did in Oz :D
"Start Me Up" is a song by the Rolling Stones featured on the 1981 album Tattoo You. Released as the album's lead single, it reached #1 on Australian Kent Music Report, #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 and #7 on the UK Singles Chart.
God I hate that song. It's their This Girl is Mine.
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God I hate that song. It's their This Girl is Mine.
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Let's be nice. After all, The Rolling Stones were recovering from their drunken sailor phase...
The Rolling Stones - It's Only Rock 'N' Roll (But I Like It) - OFFICIAL PROMO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaBlygm0UY#ws)
The Rolling Stones - Start Me Up - Official Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyOaCXr8Lw#ws)
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Thanks HG. I'm going to be seeing Wyman's accusing stare in my nightmares tonight.
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wonder why Bill left, I liked Bill
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wonder why Bill left, I liked Bill
Didnt he just get sick of touring? Wanted to hang out and tend his flowers
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Didnt he just get sick of touring? Wanted to hang out and tend his flowers
he wrote a book called Stone Alone, I might try to get a copy
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Yep, that 'zilch number ones' comment was referring to Britain, of course, and not to be confused with the EIGHT 60s number ones.
Quite aside from the lack of their first two LPs on CD (or any BBC recordings), a CD release of those 15 As & Bs in the style of the brilliant Dusty compilation from a few years ago wouldn't go amiss.
You could even put a Brian-era photo on the cover from the days when the group looked good, i.e. 1963-1968/9.
Linda took some brilliant photos of them on their '66 US tour.
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I Think Ive said this before but IMO they were completely ruined when Ron Wood joined
He was in a kind of boy band 'The Faces' of the 70's, I never liked his style, to me he adds nothing to the band
Shame about Brian, he went off the rails big time (and apparently was accidentally murdered) then came Mick Taylor who added to the band in a very big way, unfortunately I think Keef just didn't like him.
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Thanks HG. I'm going to be seeing Wyman's accusing stare in my nightmares tonight.
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Yep, that 'zilch number ones' comment was referring to Britain, of course, and not to be confused with the EIGHT 60s number ones.
Quite aside from the lack of their first two LPs on CD (or any BBC recordings), a CD release of those 15 As & Bs in the style of the brilliant Dusty compilation from a few years ago wouldn't go amiss.
You could even put a Brian-era photo on the cover from the days when the group looked good, i.e. 1963-1968/9.
Linda took some brilliant photos of them on their '66 US tour.
that would be a good CD mate, I agree
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Increasingly I find myself listening to the first three LPs and it's a scandal that the first two aren't on CD.
The United States Decca version of The Rolling Stones is available on CD at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Englands-Newest-Makers-Rolling-Stones/dp/B00006RT4M/ref=sr_1_6?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1389582092&sr=1-6&keywords=rolling+stones+decca (http://www.amazon.com/Englands-Newest-Makers-Rolling-Stones/dp/B00006RT4M/ref=sr_1_6?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1389582092&sr=1-6&keywords=rolling+stones+decca)
The only official release of The Rolling Stones No. 2 on CD is a Japanese London label version from 1987. It's been out of production for over twenty years but shows up on eBay every now and then.
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then came Mick Taylor who added to the band in a very big way, unfortunately I think Keef just didn't like him.
Bill Wyman and Mick Taylor were asked to appear with The Rolling Stones a year ago. Keef insisted that they be introduced as "special guests" or something like that. Mick introduced them as "former members."
The Rolling Stones with Bill Wyman It's Only Rock 'n' Roll O2 Arena Sun 25 Nov 12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3rpk-sBbMk#ws)
25 November 2012 O2 Arena
THE ROLLING STONES O2 nov 25, 2012 Midnight rambler with Mick Taylor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7b4GwJ__X8#ws)
25 November 2012 O2 Arena
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I think I prefer the accusing stare... :o
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I Think Ive said this before but IMO they were completely ruined when Ron Wood joined
He was in a kind of boy band 'The Faces' of the 70's, I never liked his style, to me he adds nothing to the band
Shame about Brian, he went off the rails big time (and apparently was accidentally murdered) then came Mick Taylor who added to the band in a very big way, unfortunately I think Keef just didn't like him.
Brian was the original leader wasnt he? When the leader was effectively the guy who could find good songs to cover. I suppose the growing importance of self penned material undermined his position.
I wasn't sure if Mick Taylor jumped or was pushed from the Stones. I seem to recall a story when I was a lad that he wanted to get back to playing purer blues or something.
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Hmm...I thought I was the only one who prefers the Stones' earlier material. Good to know I'm not alone.
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I think I prefer the accusing stare... :o
Nah! That's the closest to a smile as you would ever get from him. Hard to believe he's pushing eighty!
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I have heard that Mick Taylor was tired of the lifestyle, getting concerned about his personal well-being. He'd gotten into heroin, etc. And yes, Keith was envious of his talent and grew hostile towards him. He pretty much had to leave.
Too bad. He had a lot to offer.
:)
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Brian was the original leader wasnt he? When the leader was effectively the guy who could find good songs to cover. I suppose the growing importance of self penned material undermined his position.
I wasn't sure if Mick Taylor jumped or was pushed from the Stones. I seem to recall a story when I was a lad that he wanted to get back to playing purer blues or something.
Brian formed the band yes, but when Mick/Keef strted to write he had his nose pushed out, then the drugs & booze took over his fragile personality, he was quite a weak insecure kinda bloke easily addicted apparently who was easily hurt. I think they ended up asking him to leave as he became a liability, never lucid in the end.
From what Ive read, Im sure Mick Taylor jumped as he was sick of Keef bossing him about and treating him like a sideman, lets face it, Keef was outshone by Mick T on stage as a guitarist (who was a virtuoso) I think he got bored playing riffs as well, he liked to play solo's like on 'Can You Hear Me Knockin' but there wasn't much outlet for those in the Stones so he got kinda stifled I think, that and Keef bossing him about, eventually he just left.
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No prancing around on stage. Mick Taylor just stood there playing magnificent guitar...
The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want (with Mick Taylor) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uh9NaICdVw#ws)
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Mick Taylor
Rolling Stones - Street Fighting Man (live 1973) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDjOSVSUR_g#)
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I have heard that Mick Taylor was tired of the lifestyle, getting concerned about his personal well-being. He'd gotten into heroin, etc. And yes, Keith was envious of his talent and grew hostile towards him. He pretty much had to leave.
Too bad. He had a lot to offer.
:)
Yeah that's true klang but tbh he didn't really fit into the Stones who are a riff based garage band type outfit, I remember him saying when he first jammed with them he couldn't believe theyd actually made those records as they were so bad
With his talent he was up there with Clapton Beck Page etc
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The clearance of the later material I referred to earlier has only made the CD-sized hole between their debut (which I chanced upon a few years ago) and 'Out Of Our Heads' look bigger.
Although I have got it on record, it's actually the only CD I really yearn for!
The reluctance of the 'organisation' and/or the group to properly release the Brian era (lack of BBC recordings - the only group for which this is still the case - no bonus tracks, no mono/stereo releases, no first two LPs) has made me love the 60s stuff more, and increasingly dislike the RSR/Virgin material.
Here's hoping they do something about it in April when the 50th Anniversary comes around.
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Although I have got it on record, it's actually the only CD I really yearn for!
http://www.amazon.de/No-1964-Orig-Livr-Rolling-Stones/dp/B000006ZIX/ref=sr_1_2/277-3982696-8587607?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1389768558&sr=1-2&keywords=The+Rolling+Stones+No.+2 (http://www.amazon.de/No-1964-Orig-Livr-Rolling-Stones/dp/B000006ZIX/ref=sr_1_2/277-3982696-8587607?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1389768558&sr=1-2&keywords=The+Rolling+Stones+No.+2)
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How much is that is real money?
If it's as much as I think it is, I don't yearn for it that much!
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Est aestimari CCXLVII denarii
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About $130 USD
;)
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The day I pay $130 for a single CD, which should be available anyway, is the day I pay £80 to watch a premiership match in an all-seater stadium. It ain't going to happen!
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Get a Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 for £25 and hook it up between your turntable and computer to get digital files for the tracks on the LP. Then burn a disc.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-UCA202-U-Control-low-latency-Interface/dp/B000KW2YEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389815050&sr=8-1&keywords=behringer+u+control+uca202 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-UCA202-U-Control-low-latency-Interface/dp/B000KW2YEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389815050&sr=8-1&keywords=behringer+u+control+uca202)
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The day I pay $130 for a single CD, which should be available anyway, is the day I pay £80 to watch a premiership match in an all-seater stadium. It ain't going to happen!
Yowza, that is a chunk of change!
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Yes, Hello Goodbye, I could do that, or the men in suits could just put out on a reasonably priced CD of what is, in terms of the Stones' back catalogue, the equivalent of 'With the Beatles', 'Freewheelin' Bob Dylan' or 'Axis: Bold as Love'!
I'm energised by the fact that the 'only' DVD I would always search the charity shop racks for ('Mapp & Lucia' - an old Channel 4 series) turned up yesterday for £2.99.....so why not one of those early CDs of 'No. 2'?
As for the As/Bs compilation idea, we seem to get endless repackages of albums that people have already got or, in my case, don't want in the first place ('Ziggy Stardust', 'Quadrophenia', 'Dark Side of the Moon'), and yet 60s 45s by The Who, Bolan, Bowie, The Pink Floyd etc. which are highly sought after (and invariably a hundred times better) are never released.
Bizarre.
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Agreed. Maybe, as you said, something will be done about it this 50th anniversary year.
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Just looked in vain at The Stones web-site to see if anything's around the corner for the first two albums.
Answer, of course, no.
However, just to confirm that their back catalogue is in such a ramshackle condition, they've listed the U.S. track-listing of 'Out Of Our Heads' to illustrate the U.K. version.....and this is the official web-site!