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Beatles forums => The Beatles => Topic started by: Xose on January 07, 2009, 02:35:56 PM
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Hi everybody!! ;)
I ask for your help. If anybody knows of photos of The Beatles with Classical Spanish guitars they would be very welcome...
Thnak you in advance!! ;)
Xose
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Here's Johnny
(http://www.thecanteen.com/jlramirez.jpg)
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Does George's guitar in AHDN, "And I Love Her" count?
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Here's Johnny
([url]http://www.thecanteen.com/jlramirez.jpg[/url])
Although I knew that photo already...,thank you very much!! ;)
Does George's guitar in AHDN, "And I Love Her" count?
Yes it does, as I have found 5 so far and maybe there are a few more...
Thank you in advance and best wishes!! ;)
Xose
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(http://www.dmbeatles.com/pictures/0385.jpg)
(http://perso.wanadoo.es/sissu/images/ramirez2.gif)
(http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/3204/russian17zt.jpg)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1305/helpyy4.jpg)
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Although I know them..., thank you very much!! ;)
1st one is GH with his Ramírez on 1964 June the 3rd
2nd one is the Spanish one JL bought at Fenix Hotel in Madrid on 1965 July the 2nd. The photo was taken at Avenida Palace Hotel in Barcelona on next day
3rd one correponds to the Russian guitars offered to them by the Russian factory which made them. It's at 1965 Autumn
4th one is RS playing GH Ramirez, probably in March 1965
Does anybody know more pics??
Thank you in advance!! ;)
Xose
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(http://www.upv.es/~ecabrera/letme/almeria4.jpg)
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([url]http://www.upv.es/~ecabrera/letme/almeria4.jpg[/url])
Thank you very much!! ;)
yes. This one was taken in Almeria in SEP-NOV 1966, when JL was there for 6 weeks during the filming of How I won the war.
It was there where he composed 'Strawberry Fields Forever' (=even it seems that there is a home demo recorded there with the Spanish guitar, although I haven't found it yet), so it's possible that he could be playing that song on the photo...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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It was there where he composed 'Strawberry Fields Forever' (=even it seems that there is a home demo recorded there with the Spanish guitar, although I haven't found it yet), so it's possible that he could be playing that song on the photo...
This is one of the segments that John reportedly recorded in Spain. There's several other pieces, but this one is the longest.
[sound]http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/34%20-%20Strawberry%20Fields%20Forever.mp3[/sound]
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This is one of the segments that John reportedly recorded in Spain. There's several other pieces, but this one is the longest.
[sound]http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/34%20-%20Strawberry%20Fields%20Forever.mp3[/sound]
Fantastic!! ;)
Thank you SO much!! ;)
It suddenly stops at second 16..., doesn't it??
BTW: do you know how could I download that file??
Best!! ;)
Xose
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I can send the segments by e-mail if you want me to.
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It suddenly stops at second 16..., doesn't it??
It does, but it shouldn't. Never mind, you got the idea.
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I can send the segments by e-mail if you want me to.
Oh yes please!!
My email: I got it - Bobber
Thank you very much!! ;)
Xose
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I can send the segments by e-mail if you want me to.
I have a couple of links to download the Strawberry Lane boot if you haven't done this yet.
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I have a couple of links to download the Strawberry Lane boot if you haven't done this yet.
Thanks for the offer. It's taken care of and I guess that Xose is merely interested in the recordings John made in Spain on the acoustic guitar.
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I have a couple of links to download the Strawberry Lane boot if you haven't done this yet.
I'm afraid I don't understand... My English is not good enough... Sorry abo' that!! :-/
Xose
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I'm afraid I don't understand... My English is not good enough... Sorry abo' that!! :-/
Xose
The development of Strawberry Fields Forever is widely available on bootlegs. I am currently sending you the first stages of the song that John recorded in Spain. The bootlegalbum Strawberry Lane gives an idea of the further development of the song.
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The development of Strawberry Fields Forever is widely available on bootlegs. I am currently sending you the first stages of the song that John recorded in Spain. The bootlegalbum Strawberry Lane gives an idea of the further development of the song.
Ok. I got them already...
Thnak you VERY much!! ;)
Xose
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Does anybody know when and where was taken this photo??
Here's Johnny
([url]http://www.thecanteen.com/jlramirez.jpg[/url])
I remember to see somewhere other photo from the same day, showing John and this guitar as well, but I can't remember where. Could anybody help me??
BTW: I will upload here ALL the photos I have got so far showing any of The Beatles with Spanish guitars. I will also provide my chronological interpretation of those photos. Meanwhile, I can say that, as far as I can conclude by now, Spanish guitars were used by George Harrison from 1963, July the 30th, until 1965, February the 18th, while John Lennon is seen and/or heard with his from 1965, July the 2nd, until 1967, September the 25th.
Anyway, there are still several 'holes' in my research concerning this topic. Maybe with a little help of my friends (=all of you) I can some day fill those holes... ;)
Thank you in advance and best wishes!! ;)
Xose
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Here I enclose an -incomplete- primary list of Beatles sources with Spanish guitars:
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A bit random, but that ^ is really cool!
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Paul and Mary Hopkin.......
(http://home.att.net/~thorobred7/marypaul.jpg)
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A bit random, but that ^ is really cool!
Paul and Mary Hopkin.......
Sorry but I don't understand... I'm afraid that my English is not good enough...
Xose
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The Jimmy Nicol pictures don't show up.
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Paul and Mary Hopkin.......
([url]http://home.att.net/~thorobred7/marypaul.jpg[/url])
Aha... Thank you very much!! ;)
IMHO that is Paul's Russian guitar...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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The Jimmy Nicol pictures don't show up.
Oh... Sorry abo' that!!
This is one, (http://www.dmbeatles.com/pictures/0385.jpg) and this is the other one... (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vQ_cbK5qpt0/SWKqxhqsreI/AAAAAAAAAGo/ui9yWlOCmI8/s320/GH+con+Ramírez+%287%29.jpeg)
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Did you have this one? Another picture from Astrid Kirchherr's book.
(http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1110585,00.jpg)
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(http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1110583,00.jpg)
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No, Bobber: I haven't got none of those ones... Thank you so much!! ;)
It seems the 1st one was taken at George and Ringo's flat they shared in London in 1964..., wasn't it??
But..., when and where was taken the 2nd one??
Best!! ;)
Xose
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There's a couple of more pictures in the Anthology book as well. Page 125 during recording the A Hard Days Night album, page 137 John during a holiday, page 185 occasion unknown, page 195 John in the background during Rubber Soul sessions, page 194 George,
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There's a couple of more pictures in the Anthology book as well. Page 125 during recording the A Hard Days Night album, page 137 John during a holiday, page 185 occasion unknown, page 195 John in the background during Rubber Soul sessions, page 194 George,
Thanks -once more- for your kind help Bobber!! ;)
Yes: I got those pics from the Anthology book. The ones in p. 125 are dated 27 February 1964, during 'And I Love Her' rehearsals. The one on p. 137 is dated later in 1964, when John -together with Cynthia, George and Pattie- went on holidays to Tahiti, although the guitar John is playing is not a Spanish one but, in my opinnion, a Hawaiian one. The one in p. 185 is dated Autumn 1965, when they received each a Russian factory guitar. The one on p. 195 is -probably- during 'I'm Looking Trough You' rehearsals, for Rubber Soul in 1965, and John is playing his guitar adquired in Madrid on 2nd. July 1965. The one in p. 194 is not a Spanish guitar but an acoustic one...
Let's wait to see if more photos with Spanish guitars do appear. I think so!! :)
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Another picture for you, Xose.
(http://www.seaofgreen.org/images/guitar3.jpg)
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These are the most important photo's from the book by Astrid Kirchherr and Max Scheler.
(http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/astrid1.jpg)
(http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/astrid2.jpg)
(http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/astrid3.jpg)
(http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/astrid4.jpg)
(http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/astrid5.jpg)
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Hi Bobber!! ;)
Thank you very much!! ;)
Except one, I didn't know the other photos.
It's clear that GH's ones are from the same session, and the same happens with JL's ones. It's also clear that they wer taken by Astrid during her stay in England in... March 1964?? It's clear as well that JL's are taken at his home and GH's at his (=the flat he shared with RS in London. It's VERY clear that GH is playing his Ramirez. But waht is unclear for me is the guitar JL is playing, as it's not a Spanish guitar and it's no seen in his (=or the others) hands after that session...
Anyway, it's a very good help..
Thank you SO much!! ;)
Xose
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Obviously the pictures of John are from the same session as this one:
http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/m-1231338956/s-0/#num1
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Another picture for you, Xose...
Although I got this one..., thanks for your help, Hello Goodbye!! ;)
Xose
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Obviously the pictures of John are from the same session as this one:
[url]http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/m-1231338956/s-0/#num1[/url]
Yes, they are...
They are at JL's flat in London..., aren't they??
BTW: when was Astrid in England?? I mean: how much time did she spend there??
Xose
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Was this picture taken at Abbey Road Studios??
I supposse I'm asking too many questions... :-/
([url]http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1305/helpyy4.jpg[/url])
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Ringo with Astrid.
(http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/scannen0001.jpg)
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Ringo with Astrid.
([url]http://h1.ripway.com/Bobber3/scannen0001.jpg[/url])
Perfect!! ;)
Xose
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It's pretty grainy, but
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/mikamavvers/John%20Lennon/John145.jpg)
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It's pretty grainy, but...
Thank you!! ;)
This photo is in Avenida Palace Hotel, Barcelona, 3 July 1965, with the guitar purchased the day before in Madrid...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Xose, you're pretty good with dates and locations of pictures...do you know anything about the pictures without Spanish guitars?
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Xose, you're pretty good with dates and locations of pictures...do you know anything about the pictures without Spanish guitars?
It does depend of which pictures are you referring at.
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Nice guitars.. Does someone here know what kind of guitars they used during live concerts?
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(http://www.dmbeatles.com/pictures/0326.jpg)
Probably one of the And I Love Her session pics.
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Reportedly from the Fool On The Hill session:
(http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/fool/fool03.jpg)
(http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/fool/fool01.jpg)
(http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/fool/fool04.jpg)
(http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/fool/fool05.jpg)
(http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/fool/fool06.jpg)
(http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/fool/fool09.jpg)
Most probably the first time that Yoko attended a Beatles studio session. September 25th, 1967
(http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/fool/fool11.jpg)
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Thanks once more Bob!! ;)
Yes. The 1st one is dated 26 or 27 February 1964. George is with his Ramirez, probably purchased end of July 1963 at Ivor Mairants music shop in London.
The 2nd ones are from the 'The Fool On THe Hill' rehearsals, and John is with his Spanish guitar purchased in Madrid 2 July 1965...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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- There are also at least two more songs when a nylon strung guitar is heard: 'Ill Be Back' (1-VI-64) and 'I've Just Seen a Face' (14-VI-65), and perhaps also in 'I Need You' (15-II-65). I think it's George's Ramirez. Have you ever come across with early takes from these songs??
It's, indeed, a NOT complete list. I would appreciate your comments and aditions to it...
Best!! ;)
Xose
There are early takes of I'll Be Back, but it's funny to hear that there's no Ramirez used in those early takes. There are snippets of later takes in which you can actually hear it. I've uploaded one of those snippets on 4share. Follow the link in my signature to d/load. :)
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I believe "Yes It Is" as well. Listening to the early takes and the final version, it certainly sounds like a nylon stringed guitar.
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There are early takes of I'll Be Back, but it's funny to hear that there's no Ramirez used in those early takes. There are snippets of later takes in which you can actually hear it. I've uploaded one of those snippets on 4share. Follow the link in my signature to d/load. :)
Thank you Bobber!! ;)
Edit: I have found them
Very good!! ;)
Best!! ;)
Xose
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I believe "Yes It Is" as well. Listening to the early takes and the final version, it certainly sounds like a nylon stringed guitar.
Thank you!! ;)
And do you know how could I find those takes with a nylon stringed guitar??
Thanks in advance!! ;)
Xose
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Thank you Bobber!! ;)
I'm not sure of what should I do to d/load them... Follow the link in your signature?? This puzzles me (=undoubtedly due to my horrible knowledge of English language...)
Best!! ;)
Xose
Yes, follow the link in my signature. You will see several files you can download. There's two version of I'll Be Back there. I will upload early takes of Yes It Is tomorrow there. I couldn't find any early takes of I've Just Seen A Face or I Need You.
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Yes, follow the link in my signature. You will see several files you can download. There's two version of I'll Be Back there. I will upload early takes of Yes It Is tomorrow there. I couldn't find any early takes of I've Just Seen A Face or I Need You.
Yes. I have found them. I edited my message but you are quicker than me... ;)
Thanks for the 'Yes It Is' early takes. The nylon stringed guitar heard there has to be John's one, i.e., the one purchased in Madrid 2 July 1965...
BTW: I have got 2 more photos from the 'And I LOve Her' sessions with George playing the Ramirez (=same sessions as the photo you u/loaded at the beginning of this thread). Do you know -by any chance- if there are more??
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Thanks for the 'Yes It Is' early takes. The nylon stringed guitar heard there has to be John's one, i.e., the one purchased in Madrid 2 July 1965...
BTW: I have got 2 more photos from the 'And I LOve Her' sessions with George playing the Ramirez (=same sessions as the photo you u/loaded at the beginning of this thread). Do you know -by any chance- if there are more??
Best!! ;)
Xose
Yes It Is was recorded in February 1965...
I'll have a look around for those pics.
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Yes It Is was recorded in February 1965...
I'll have a look around for those pics.
Yes, you are right. That Spanish guitar has to be George's Ramirez then...
It's interesting to see that George used his Ramirez in February-March 1964, for AHDN sessiosn, and again in February-June 1965, for Help-Yes It Is sessions. But it seems he didn't use it for Beatles For Sale sessions at the end of 1964...
Thanks once more for trying to find those pics!! :)
Xose
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I have not found a reference to a spanish guitar on Yes It Is, but I did found one on You've Got To Hide Your Love Away and I Need You. I also found one other picture of the And I Love Her sessions with George playing his Ramirez. There are more pictures from this session, but there's no guitar on these pics. And I also found some other pics of the Russian guitars, but you probably got those.
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I have not found a reference to a spanish guitar on Yes It Is, but I did found one on You've Got To Hide Your Love Away and I Need You. I also found one other picture of the And I Love Her sessions with George playing his Ramirez. There are more pictures from this session, but there's no guitar on these pics. And I also found some other pics of the Russian guitars, but you probably got those.
Good!! ;)
I supposse the one in 'You've Got To Hide Your Love Away' is the false start in a youtube link we dealt with some time ago..., isn't it?? Regarding 'I Need You' I found a reference at Walter Everett vol. I,Is it the same you are referring to??
As regards to 'And I Love Her' sessions..., are those pics the ones I placed a link to some time ago?? If not, I would love to have a look at it...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2605/scannen0003ii1.jpg)
These pictures come from With The Beatles, pictures by Dezo Hoffmann.
No, the reference for I Need You was found in Brian Kehew's Recording The Beatles. I'll let you know about that later.
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([url]http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2605/scannen0003ii1.jpg[/url])
These pictures come from With The Beatles, pictures by Dezo Hoffmann.
No, the reference for I Need You was found in Brian Kehew's Recording The Beatles. I'll let you know about that later.
Thanks Bobber!! ;)
That's one I didn't get before...
Do you know if there are more?? This one is the 4th. I have got from those sessions...
I always wondered why is Paul playing the piano at that session, judging that they are rehearsing 'And I Love Her'...
Best!! ;-)
Xose
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There are more pictures taken at this session, but they don't show the Spanish guitar.
I am currently uploading Yes It Is (take 9) and the unexpected That Means A Lot (take 1) in which I think you can hear a Spanish guitar being used. You already have You've Got To Hide Your Love Away (take 1) with the false start. See the link in my signature to download those two songs.
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There are more pictures taken at this session, but they don't show the Spanish guitar.
I am currently uploading Yes It Is (take 9) and the unexpected That Means A Lot (take 1) in which I think you can hear a Spanish guitar being used. You already have You've Got To Hide Your Love Away (take 1) with the false start. See the link in my signature to download those two songs.
Very good!! Thank you!! ;)
'That Means A Lot' is from the same sessions as YGTHYLA..., isn't it??
Xose
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Very good!! Thank you!! ;)
'That Means A Lot' is from the same sessions as YGTHYLA..., isn't it??
Xose
That Means A Lot was recorded two days later. I am doubting about It's Only Love...
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That Means A Lot was recorded two days later. I am doubting about It's Only Love...
I wondered as well some time ago... Whan was it rehearsed and/or recorded??
Xose
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I'll upload take 2 in a minute.
By the way, did you know that there a Spaniard playing on one of the most famous records of The Beatles?
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I'll upload take 2 in a minute.
By the way, did you know that there a Spaniard playing on one of the most famous records of The Beatles?
Jose Luis Garcia Asensio, violin player in She's Leaving Home??
Xose
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Francisco Gabarro, cello in Yesterday.
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Francisco Gabarro, cello in Yesterday.
Aha... Ok. There are 2, then...
Thank you!! ;)
Xose
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You can hear it on take 1, which is on Anthology if I'm correct.
Yes it is. And I read somewhere (=Andy Babiuk?? ) that there are photos from those Rubber Sould sessions -probably 'Michelle' rehearsals- where a capo on John's Spanish guitar is seen. Any hints??
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Yes it is. And I read somewhere (=Andy Babiuk?? ) that there are photos from those Rubber Sould sessions -probably 'Michelle' rehearsals- where a capo on John's Spanish guitar is seen. Any hints??
Best!! ;)
Xose
It's in Andy Babiuk's book, page 172. No signs of any pics tho.
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This site can be a good help to determine where and when a Spanish guitar was used: http://perso.wanadoo.es/sissu/maingear.htm
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This site can be a good help to determine where and when a Spanish guitar was used: http://perso.wanadoo.es/sissu/maingear.htm
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This site can be a good help to determine where and when a Spanish guitar was used: [url]http://perso.wanadoo.es/sissu/maingear.htm[/url]
Altough I knew the site already..., thank you very much Bobber!! ;)
BTW:
Ricky 360-12 Fire-glo was given to GH in February 1964. He used it mostly in most AHDN numbers and on tour, but NOT after that..., correct??
Gretsch 6119 Tennessean was purchased by GH in late 1964 (=at that site is stated that it was used for the recording of 'Things We Said Today' in 2 June 1964, but it's probably a mistake), used mostly on BFS and Help recordings, and on tour but NOT after that..., correct??
Meanwhile GH says in -at least- fur interviews from 1964 (=February, June, November and again in November) that he admires Segovia's playing very much, that is learning his playing from recordings and is seen and heard in -at least- 11 photos, one video and ca. 6 recordings and/or rehearsals, dated from end of July 1963 to February 1965, playing his Ramirez...
What does rthis mean?? (=if anything)
Best!! ;-)
Xose
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Mmmm. The Spanish site relates to eventually released songs of course. They could have used a Spanish guitar in earlier, unreleased, takes.
I will scan through a bootleg with home recordings on Monday.
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...I will scan through a bootleg with home recordings on Monday.
Perfect!! ;)
That would be nice... ;)
Xose
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(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1305/helpyy4.jpg)
This pic still puzzles me. Ringo is playing George's Ramirez but..., when and where??
He is he sitting on a drums stool..., isn't he??
Paul is at the back with his Epiphone Casino, which he purchased in December 1964..., didn't he??
George's haircut seems to be like the one at BFS cover..., doesn't it??
The man on the left seems to be John..., doesn't he??
On the flor seems to be some cables, like the ones used at recording (=or TV) studios...
Is the venue Abbey Road Studios?? Any chamber room at any theatre??
Has anybody any thoughts about when and where the pic was taken??
Best!! ;)
Xose
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From the book 'The Fab Four Faq'
..."In late 1965 Paul purchased an Epiphone Casino...and both John, and George, impressed with the guitar's sound, bought one in early 1966...."
The pic looks to be around October[?] November[?] '65 to me. I could be wrong, and I probably am. :P
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Here is a link from a site called "The Canteen" by John Crowley. Some of you might already know about it. For all I know he might be a poster on here... but anyway,
http://www.thecanteen.com/lennon5.html
He mentions Yes It Is and also Anytime At All which I found interesting and sent him an email about where he found that info....
Just an FYI...
I have to admit , in the beginning I thought the whole nylon string pursuit was a little nutty but now Im totally engrossed in it!
Carry on!
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Perfect!! ;)
That would be nice... ;)
Xose
Lots of acoustic guitars in there, but besides the earliest takes of Strawberry Fields Forever, it doesn't sound like nylon strings or the recordings are too bad to determine.
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In Spain while filming How I Won The War:
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5111/lts66tf67pg3.jpg)
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(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5116/lti672frontrk6.jpg)
1967? Notice that Paul is playing the guitar upside down!
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Hi!! ;)
From the book 'The Fab Four Faq'
..."In late 1965 Paul purchased an Epiphone Casino...and both John, and George, impressed with the guitar's sound, bought one in early 1966...."
The pic looks to be around October[?] November[?] '65 to me. I could be wrong, and I probably am. :P
Thanks for that!! ;)
Nevertheless it seems that that info is not correct as most Beatle scholars (=Everett, Babiuk, Lewisohn, etc.) place the purchasing date of Paul's Casin on Decemebr 1964. In fact, his Casino is heard at some Help numbers..., isn't it??
...He mentions Yes It Is and also Anytime At All which I found interesting and sent him an email about where he found that info...
Did he answered you already?? I also would love to know where he took that info from...
BTW: I ahve been told from Ramirez shop in Madrid themselves that that guitar in John hands is NOT a Ramirez. Another myth which should be removed...
...I have to admit , in the beginning I thought the whole nylon string pursuit was a little nutty but now Im totally engrossed in it!
Carry on!
Oh yes... Thank you!! ;)
Best!! ;)
Xose
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In Spain while filming How I Won The War:
([url]http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5111/lts66tf67pg3.jpg[/url])
Perfect Bobber!! ;) Wonderful pictures!!! ;)
These coloured pics demonstrate that John brought with him his guitar purchased in Madrid in 2 July 1965 to Almeria, which means that SFF was born on that guitar...
...1967? Notice that Paul is playing the guitar upside down!
Yes it is. Why?? Because is John's guitar... Fantastic work Bobber!! ;)
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Perfect Bobber!! ;) Wonderful pictures!!! ;)
These coloured pics demonstrate that John brought with him his guitar purchased in Madrid in 2 July 1965 to Almeria, which means that SFF was born on that guitar...
Yes it is. Why?? Because is John's guitar... Fantastic work Bobber!! ;)
Best!! ;)
Xose
I was wondering who the person is on the top picture, seen by silhoutte on the right side of the picture.
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I was wondering who the person is on the top picture, seen by silhoutte on the right side of the picture.
Mmmmmm.... Who travelled with John to Almeria??
BTW: I think that Ringo's pic is from 16-18 February 1965, i.e., 'I Need You' and/or YGTHYLA sessions...
Xose
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I know that Ringo went to visit John, but it doesn't look like Ringo. More like Neil Aspinall.
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I know that Ringo went to visit John, but it doesn't look like Ringo. More like Neil Aspinall.
Aha... Surely you are right... Do you know who took the pics??
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Now, that might have been Ringo. But I really don't know.
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Now, that might have been Ringo. But I really don't know.
The fact is that those pics are REALLY good. Pitty they couldn't be bigger...
Thanks!! ;)
Xose
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Here http://www.upv.es/~ecabrera/letme/calmeria.html is said that the b/w photo of John playing the guitar was taken by a certain Douglas Kirkland...
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([url]http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5116/lti672frontrk6.jpg[/url])
1967? Notice that Paul is playing the guitar upside down!
I was wrong. The guitar Paul is playing here is NOT the same John purchased in Madrid on 2 July 1965. The former one has a round label, while John's one has a rectangular one. The former has a different ornament around soundhole and also fingerboard is not made out of the same kind of timber as John's one...
Best!! ;)
xose
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6439/jlguitespenbcniw7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/jlguitespenbcniw7.jpg/1/w636.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img9/jlguitespenbcniw7.jpg/1/)
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([url]http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5116/lti672frontrk6.jpg[/url])
1967? Notice that Paul is playing the guitar upside down!
I love that picture. That might have to become my new wallpaper until I get sick of looking at it. Yeesh. :B
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No, no answer yet.... still waiting..
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Another picture for you, Xose.
([url]http://www.seaofgreen.org/images/guitar3.jpg[/url])
Obviously from the same session:
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8555/studiolr1.jpg)
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(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6296/johnbigguitarhq9.jpg)
Not sure if this is with nylon strings tho.
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No, no answer yet.... still waiting..
Ok. Thanks anyway!! ;)
Obviously from the same session...
Yes but this one is better...
Thank you Bobber!! ;)
Xose
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BTW: it seems that it's the same place at both pics..., doesn't it??
Xose
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8555/studiolr1.jpg)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1305/helpyy4.jpg)
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Astrid pics at George and Ringo's flat in London are dated at the third week of March 1964..., aren't they??
'And I Love Her' scene in AHDN is taken at Scala Theatre in London and is dated at the same week..., correct??
Xose
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Astrid pics at George and Ringo's flat in London are dated at the third week of March 1964..., aren't they??
'And I Love Her' scene in AHDN is taken at Scala Theatre in London and is dated at the same week..., correct??
Xose
Astrid just says 'Spring 1964' in her book.
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Astrid just says 'Spring 1964' in her book.
Mmmm... This places datation of those pics between last week of March and three weeks of June.
Nevertheless I don't think they were taken in June, as they were on tour outside the UK...
Thanks anyway!! ;)
Xose
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BTW: it seems that it's the same place at both pics..., doesn't it??
Xose
I really can't tell. It doesn't look the same.
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Here [url]http://www.upv.es/~ecabrera/letme/calmeria.html[/url] is said that the b/w photo of John playing the guitar was taken by a certain Douglas Kirkland...
That is very well possible. Douglas Kirkland was the photographer during How I Won The War. On the other hand those are pretty bad pictures for a professional like Kirkland.
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- A photo taken at Tahiti during John and George holidays there in 1964 -with Cynthia and Pattie- where John is seen playing a kind of Spanish guitar, although in my opinnion is a Hawaiian guitar. It's enclosed at Anthology book
(http://photos.absoluteelsewhere.net/BeatleJohn/PhotoAlbums/TahitiHoliday/Tahiti%20Graphics/john_sings_to_cyn_tnt.jpg)
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I really can't tell. It doesn't look the same.
I think it is. Having a look at Recording The Beatles book there are pics which seem to match with that venue...
([url]http://photos.absoluteelsewhere.net/BeatleJohn/PhotoAlbums/TahitiHoliday/Tahiti%20Graphics/john_sings_to_cyn_tnt.jpg[/url])
Thanks for the pic!! ;)
Xose
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RW854QwIZFs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW854QwIZFs)
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RW854QwIZFs ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW854QwIZFs[/url])
(beer)
Xose
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Hi!! ;)
Does anybody know when and where is this film from??:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w57Dp8i5IqU
Thank you in advance!! ;)
Xose
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It's from the DVD 'Lennon Legend', filmed December 1968. From John and Yoko's "Film # 6", it says in the DVD.
I'm not sure where it is.
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Hi Miss Lennon!! ;)
It's from the DVD 'Lennon Legend', filmed December 1968. From John and Yoko's "Film # 6", it says in the DVD.
I'm not sure where it is.
Thank you!! ;)
Then, that clip with John and Yoko singing..., is from DEC 68?? :-/
Xose
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I should have been more specific. That film^ was in Dec 68. Not the whole DVD. Sorry.
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I should have been more specific. That film^ was in Dec 68. Not the whole DVD. Sorry.
Aha... I see. Then we don't know when that clip was filmed..., do we??
Xose
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I'm trying my utmost to be clear and polite, on the DVD it says 'Everybody Had a Hard Year: An excerpt from John &Yoko's Film #6' that features a never before released performance by John and Yoko from December 1968' by 'perfromance' they mean the clip in the link you provided.
:)
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I'm trying my utmost to be clear and polite, on the DVD it says 'Everybody Had a Hard Year: An excerpt from John &Yoko's Film #6' that features a never before released performance by John and Yoko from December 1968' by 'perfromance' they mean the clip in the link you provided.
:)
Aha... Ok. I think I finally understood... Then the clip I provided is from DEC 1968... Thank you very much!! ;)
Xose
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You are correct. :)
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hey Xose. I have not forgotten my friends guitar...I just hav to transfer the pictures from my phone. :)
Soon amigo, soon.
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hey Xose. I have not forgotten my friends guitar...I just hav to transfer the pictures from my phone. :)
Soon amigo, soon.
Ok. No problem... :)
Xose
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The guitar my friend made. 7string clasical
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Stanzamuso/DSC00396.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Stanzamuso/DSC00397.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Stanzamuso/DSC00395.jpg)
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The guitar my friend made. 7string clasical...
Excellent!! It seems a very nice -and clever- work...
Do you know which kind of timber he used for each part??
BTW: at which pitch does he tune the 7th. string??
Best!! ;)
Xose
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BTW: at which pitch does he tune the 7th. string??
Usually a B in these circumstances.
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...Usually a B in these circumstances.
That's what I thought, but there are some players who use other variants, such as C or D...
Xose
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It is tuned to B. I used it on a recording once and slackened the B off. I accidentally hit it in the recording a few times and it gave a very nice double bass slack tone which I left in the take. I did have a few goes at playing bass runs with the B into certain chords and could see the benefits but did not keep it up.
Heres the link to recording of the guitar. http://www.myspace.com/wwwhelpasacouk
Track is called Hope & play that I wrote for a friend who was ill and sadly since passed away.
A one take wonder on all the tracks and bear in mind I'm a singer/bass player first! heheheh. I think the lead guitar over it was either a Takemine G series or my Ovation Custom balladeer....I cannay remember.
I'll find out from Ken about the wood he used. I know he likes exotic and rare timbers.
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It is tuned to B. I used it on a recording once and slackened the B off. I accidentally hit it in the recording a few times and it gave a very nice double bass slack tone which I left in the take. I did have a few goes at playing bass runs with the B into certain chords and could see the benefits but did not keep it up.
Heres the link to recording of the guitar. [url]http://www.myspace.com/wwwhelpasacouk[/url]
Track is called Hope & play that I wrote for a friend who was ill and sadly since passed away.
A one take wonder on all the tracks and bear in mind I'm a singer/bass player first! heheheh. I think the lead guitar over it was my either a Takemine G series or my Ovation Custom balladeer....I cannay remember.
I'll find out from Ken about the wood he used. I know he likes exotic and rare timbers.
Perfect!! ;)
Please, tell your friend that the guitar has a nice sound...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Thanks Xose, I will do. I think he is visiting near where I live at the moment. He normally lives near Manchester. :)
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Thanks Xose, I will do. I think he is visiting near where I live at the moment. He normally lives near Manchester. :)
Ok. Please, let him know my impressions about his guitar...
BTW: I spent several seasons during my youth (=in the eighties) in Leyland, Lancashire. I payed several visits to L'pool, Manchester, Blackpool, Morecambe, Lake Disctrict (=Windermere area), etc. Very interesting...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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Paul
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9510/1a5ao.jpg)
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better late than never
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4418/georgeacoustic.jpg)
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I bumped into another one as well ;D
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/273/paulacoustic.jpg)
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(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7063/almeria19661.jpg)
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3619/almeria19662.jpg)
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1624/almeria19663.jpg)
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/679/almeria19664.jpg)
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1641/almeria19665.jpg)
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wow, never seen those photos before Bobber! nice one! :)
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Hi Bobber,
Thank you VERY much!! Excellent photos...
They are in Sta. Isabel house (=Almeria) when he composed STF...
BTW: at my conference at Ramirez shop in Madrid last May the 9th., I gave the new that George's Ramirez Spanish guitar was bought by Klaus Voormann in May 1963, on his return back to Germany from Tenerife (=you already know: PM, GH, RS and Astrid Kirchherr spent 10 days at Voormann familiy house in Tenerife from April the 28th. to May the 10th that year. There are photos from those days which you probably know...) What I didn't know that very day (=i.e.: last May the 9th.) was George's Ramirez guitar whereabouts. I finally have found it: it's in Friar's Park. I'm trying to get a photo of it, although it's VERY difficult, because George's family is VERY private...
Best!! ;)
Xose
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(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7082/147j.jpg)
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'And I Love Her' Ramírez??:
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2439/ramrezenkenwood.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/ramrezenkenwood.jpg/)
BTW: does anybody know when this photo was taken??
Thanks in advance and best wishes!! ;)
Xosé
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Nice picture, Xose. It's pretty hard to tell what guitar that is. Could well be one of the Russian ones.
There's a date underneath the picture. Could that be right?
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Nice picture, Xose. It's pretty hard to tell what guitar that is. Could well be one of the Russian ones...
I don't think so, as there is no signs of fret markers..
...There's a date underneath the picture. Could that be right?
That date looks like JAN 77 which, IMHO, do not correspond to the photo date...
Thanks!! ;)
Xosé
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(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5637/janeguitar1.jpg)
(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/1336/janeguitar2.jpg)
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Brilliant, Bobber... Thank you SO much!! ;)
I guess the first photo is the Asher familiy home..., am I right??
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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Two more photos:
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1738/41370399.jpg) (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/41370399.jpg/)
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2485/85060827.jpg) (http://img573.imageshack.us/i/85060827.jpg/)
Xosé
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It looks like the same guitar as on the picture as I posted.
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It looks like the same guitar as on the picture as I posted.
Yes, I agree...
Now, I'm looking for the maker. I will let you know...
BTW: any thoughts about the date for the B&W photos??
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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Your first b/w picture and mine b/w picture are obviously from the same day and on the same place. Not sure about the date tho.
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Ok.
Thank you Bobber!! ;)
Xosé
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This might be interesting: http://thebeatlesin3d.blogspot.com/2011/06/george-harrisons-jose-ramirez-studio.html (http://thebeatlesin3d.blogspot.com/2011/06/george-harrisons-jose-ramirez-studio.html)
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(http://beatlephotoblog.com/photos/2011/09/1141.jpg)
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30 September 1964, Abbey Road Studio 2:
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa313/cs62/The%20Beatles%20In%203D/135.jpg)
We see the case for one of the Gretsches, the tweed case for the 500/1, the square brown vinyl case for either the DB122, the 360/12 or the 325/12, and the gigbag for..., Harrison/Voormann's Ramírez??
Xosé
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Can't see the picture, Xose. Could you re-post it?
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Sure!!
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa313/cs62/The%20Beatles%20In%203D/135.jpg)
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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Still can't see it Xose! Could you try and upload it with imageshack.us?
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Sure!!
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7946/imageklig.jpg)
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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I can see it now. It's an interesting picture. It's pretty hard to tell what guitar belongs in the gigbag? Was the Ramirez also used during live gigs?
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I can see it now. It's an interesting picture. It's pretty hard to tell what guitar belongs in the gigbag? Was the Ramirez also used during live gigs?
On 30 SEP 1964 they had returned back from a tour in the USA. On 30 SEP 1964 they spent the whole day recording songs for the Beatles for sale álbum, one of the songs being 'No Reply'. If you take a close listening to this song (=mainly early outakes) you will hear a nylon guitar...
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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A better (=???) view of the gigbag:
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4134/imagexouy.jpg)
Xosé
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(http://i39.tinypic.com/ang9vn.jpg)
I blew up the picture for you, Xosé. There's still no telling what went into the gigbag.
Barry
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Thank you very much, Barry!! ;)
Let's keep researching...
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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You're welcome, Xosé. I downloaded the original picture you posted a few days ago and blew that one up.
Now I also have a nice view of George's 1963 Gretsch Country Gentleman and its case which are just like mine (also a 1963)! I can see how he set his tone and pickup switches too.
Yes, let's keep researching.
Barry
(http://i35.tinypic.com/z7n1g.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/330y6at.jpg)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2cqfuxl.jpg)
My VOX AC30
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Colo guitar... Congrats!! ;)
a) Amalia Ramírez believes that is a gigbag for a Soanish guitar from that era
b) On 30 SEP 1964 -when that photo was taken- The Beatles recorded 'No Reply', which includes a nylon guitar
a + b = ?? ;D
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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Colo guitar... Congrats!! ;)
a) Amalia Ramírez believes that one is a gigbag for a Soanish guitar from that era
b) On 30 SEP 1964 -when that photo was taken- The Beatles recorded 'No Reply', which includes a nylon guitar
a + b = ?? ;D
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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I listened to the early takes of No Reply, Xosé. I hear the Spanish guitar too.
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I listened to the early takes of No Reply, Xosé. I hear the Spanish guitar too.
Yes... ;)
What guitars do we see at that photo?? 500/1, Gretsch, one of the Ricks and the gigbag. What guitars were used on that 30 SEP 1964 recording session??
BTW: do you have any link for some of those early takes of 'No Reply'??
Xosé
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I'll have to check my Recording The Beatles, Xosé.
Here's a link to takes one and two of No Reply...
Beatles Outtakes FUNNY Your Face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txe-LTCPcqw#)
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Oh yes. Thank you!! ;)
Again -as in TTWY- a change of "mood", from the electric one on Take 1, to the "acoustic" (=including Ringo "Latín" feel) on Take 2...
VERY interesting...
Xosé
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Oh, since you know guitars, Xosé, that's a Gibson Gibson Tune-O-Matic bridge on my Country Gent replacing the original bar bridge which resides in the case.
Barry
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Oh I see... Good!! ;)
Xosé
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Yes. The Tune-O-Matic has an ebony foot to match the fretboard.
Gretsch should have set up the Country Gentleman with an adjustable bridge.
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...Again -as in TTWY- a change of "mood", from the electric one on Take 1, to the "acoustic" (=including Ringo "Latín" feel) on Take 2...
What about TTWY Spanish guitar??
Well. There is no photographic evidence so far, and according to Voormann own words:
«In the later part of 1963, Klaus traveled to London and visited his friends, The Beatles. It was during this time that he gave George the Ramírez Classical. Voormann remembers, "When I came back to London, George saw me play the guitar and I played him some classical pieces and he was knocked out the way I was playing the guitar. Then he was using it a lot in the studio for A Hard Day's Night and in the filming he was using it as well"»
But we have this quote from Ivor Mairants, My Fifty Fretting Years, Newcastle, Ashley Mark, 1980, pp. 102-103:
«It [Ivor Mairants Music Centre, at the Oxford Street end of Rathbone Place, London] opened on 1 September 1962... The Beatles and The Shadows were then very strong and both Paul McCartney and Hank Marvin bought Ramírez flamenco guitars quite independently of one another to add an additional effect to their groups»
Opinions welcome...
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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How strong or well-known were The Beatles precisely on September 1st 1962? Moreover, if Paul did purchase a Ramirez on that day, it certainly wasn't used for a long time. That is, not on Beatles recordings.
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Till There Was You by The Beatles with no vocals version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtmhzTqMRg#)
(http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/uploads/Image/harrison_ramirez2.jpg)
I love this song!
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How strong or well-known were The Beatles precisely on September 1st 1962? Moreover, if Paul did purchase a Ramirez on that day, it certainly wasn't used for a long time. That is, not on Beatles recordings.
Maybe it was purchased just before 30 July 1963 by EMI?? Or rented/borrowed by EMI for that session??
And..., what about Klaus words??
Till There Was You by The Beatles with no vocals version ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtmhzTqMRg#[/url])
([url]http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/uploads/Image/harrison_ramirez2.jpg[/url])
I love this song!
Thank you HG!! ;)
Nylon on right channel, nylon on center and..., Gibson J-160e on left channel??
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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...Nylon on right channel, nylon on center and..., Gibson J-160e on left channel??:
[url]http://youtu.be/oQtmhzTqMRg...[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/oQtmhzTqMRg...[/url])
I guess nylon guitar on center was added later..., wasn't it??
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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Yes, it sounds like that, Xosé.
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Yes, it sounds like that, Xosé.
Thank you very much, HG!! ;)
I guess nylon guitar on center was added after that one on the right channel...
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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"«Play one of those Bach pieces that you were always practicing in Tenerife. Please, now that would be nice!»
I blushed and immediately got sweaty fingers. I tried with a Bach Prelude, trying to do my best"
Klaus Voormann received classical guitar lessons in 1962, when he was living in Tenerife. His teacher was Silvestre Álvarez, classical guitar professor and concert player, who lived near the Voorman's home there...
Xosé
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(http://beatlephotoblog.com/photos/2013/11/1.JPG15.jpg)
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Thank you, Bobber!! ;)
Yes: that is Lennon with his Valencian guitar... Photo taken at his flat in London by Astrid and Max Scheler in March 1964. There are, at least, fifteen more shots of Lennon with his guitar from that session...
Best!! ;)
Xosé
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(http://beatlephotoblog.com/photos/2014/09/19.jpg9.jpg)
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([url]http://beatlephotoblog.com/photos/2014/09/19.jpg9.jpg[/url])
John's 12-string Framus Hootenanny acoustic guitar...
(http://i59.tinypic.com/30a4ad3.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/14mf43d.jpg)