Topic: The Summer Of 1960 (Read 21781 times)

Bill Harry · « **Reply #60 on:** April 05, 2008, 07:28:45 AM »

Howie and his wife live in Bournemouth. She is one of the McKinley Sisters who toured with the Beatles. Howie still performs live shows and occassionally has his own band. Derry Wilkie died a few years ago.

pc31 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 05, 2008, 02:08:27 PM »

long time no read sir bill...how have you been?
see you at the site later i hope...you still have not been frequenting your chat...pm a time so we can meet up...

pc31 · « **Reply #62 on:** April 05, 2008, 02:17:36 PM »

i have been busy myself trying to restore this

it is a 1962 ford falcon 2 door sedan...after coffee and a hooter i am going to go sand the paint off the doors...the motor runs and it will drive but i need some tires first...the old ones go flat...well 2 do..do you drive still?

pc31 · « **Reply #63 on:** April 05, 2008, 02:27:47 PM »

i am in the chatroom bill,have you any time? the link... http://www.triumphpc.com/cgi-bin/livechat/chat.cgi

Bill Harry · « **Reply #64 on:** April 05, 2008, 06:42:45 PM »

The reason i wasn't around for a couple of weeks is because Virginia and I went to Mauritius. At the moment I don't think the Mersey Beat chat rooms works. I'll check up on it.

Bobber · « **Reply #65 on:** December 08, 2009, 12:44:13 PM »

I started reading Eric Krasker's promising book last night. Eager to find out more about this subject.

Xose · « **Reply #66 on:** April 15, 2010, 10:43:43 PM »

Quote from: Chazz Avery on July 25, 2006, 10:57:36 AM

That is based primarily on info presented by John Winn and examined with my own ears. There is difference in ambience and the guitars are louder which is like the result of Paul's ne Rosetti 7 guitar purchased on June 30...

Quote from: Chazz Avery on July 24, 2006, 04:42:05 PM

...the "Hans Walter-Braun tape" from July 1960...

From July 1960?? Sure??

Xosé

Bobber · « **Reply #67 on:** April 16, 2010, 06:47:17 AM »

Check with Chazz via his site! Chazz is convinced that the tape wasn't made on one day or even in the same week, but that there's a couple of months between them. I'm eager to find out what Richie Unterberger has on this, but I already put his book in a box somewhere. (Moving to another place soon)

Xose · « **Reply #68 on:** April 16, 2010, 07:18:05 AM »

Chazz' datation is based primarily on John C. Winn, Way Beyond Compare: The Beatles' Recorded Legacy, Volume One, 1957-1965, New York, Three Rivers, 2003, p. 4. The Hans Walter-Braun tape has "...obvious improvement in playing ability [compared to the Forthlin Road April sessions]...and given the louder guitar sound, may have been taped after Paul's June 30 purchase of a Rosetti Solid 7 electric guitar..."

This is MOSTLY interesting. I always thought that those Forthlin Road recordings predate Johnny Gentle tour...

Best,

Xosé

Xose · « **Reply #69 on:** April 16, 2010, 10:18:19 AM »

BTW, Bobber: it's VERY interesting the topic of this thread. Judging by those Forthlin Road recordings in April, the playing level was quite low. Which was THE point of inflexion?? Johnny Gentle tour?? Those gigs at Wirral Península in June-July?? (=including the... two?? gigs at Jacaranda + Janice the stripper)

One of the main problems to begin this research is that we don't know EXACTLY how many gigs, where and when did they perform after ending Johnny Gentle tour and before their first trip to Hamburg. Sources differ at this point.

When did they play as backing group to Janice the stripper?? How many times??

And Jacaranda??

And Grosvenor Ballroom at Liscard, Wallasey?? How many nights did they play there??

Sources anly agree with the six gigs at the Institute in Neston...

Those are the points to start with...

Best!!

Xosé

Griff · « **Reply #70 on:** April 21, 2010, 04:51:05 PM »

May 10th 1960 at the Wyvern social club. This is where we did our auditions for Larry Parnes, who was looking for Liverpool bands to back some of his singers who were going on tour. I was with Derry and the Seniors at the time and was 16 yrs old. Beatles were there minus a drummer -- Johnny Hutch stood in untill Tommy Moore arrived. It was an interesting afternoon, no one had a clue the way things would end up, but as they say the rest is history!

Griff

Bobber · « **Reply #71 on:** April 23, 2010, 09:44:48 AM »

Any detailed memories of that particular day Griff?

Xose · « **Reply #72 on:** June 20, 2010, 11:02:33 AM »

Back to this thread..., are those 1960 tapes REALLY 1960?? I mean: who was the first one to say that they are from 1960?? Couldn't be fro different year and put together in a bootleg?? (=for example from 1958 and 1959...) How many of those recordings do include electric guitars?? And bass guitar??

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Bobber · « **Reply #73 on:** June 21, 2010, 08:34:27 AM »

Well, there is a bass guitar audible and before Stu joined, no one played that instrument. I believe Stuart joined around January 1960.

Xose · « **Reply #74 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:58:23 AM »

Quote from: Bobber on June 21, 2010, 08:34:27 AM

Well, there is a bass guitar audible and before Stu joined, no one played that instrument. I believe Stuart joined around January 1960.

Stuart HP Hessy's receipt is dated 21 January 1960. There is a bass guitar audible but..., are guitar players standards at those tapes those of John, Paul & George by Spring-Summer 1960??

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Bobber · « **Reply #75 on:** June 21, 2010, 10:20:52 AM »

Quote from: Xose on June 21, 2010, 09:58:23 AM

are guitar players standards at those tapes those of John, Paul & George by Spring-Summer 1960??

Here you go back to my initial question in this thread. Listening to these tapes, it's hard to imagine that just a couple of months later they were good enough to go to Hamburg. So, what happened to the band, musically, that they made such an enormous improvement?

Xose · « **Reply #76 on:** June 21, 2010, 10:57:36 AM »

Quote from: Bobber on June 21, 2010, 10:20:52 AM

Here you go back to my initial question in this thread. Listening to these tapes, it's hard to imagine that just a couple of months later they were good enough to go to Hamburg. So, what happened to the band, musically, that they made such an enormous improvement?

Nothing. IMHO those tapes are wrongly dated. It's another myth...

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Bobber · « **Reply #77 on:** June 21, 2010, 11:00:09 AM »

But then, what's your evidence to date these tapes earlier and to back up that it might be Mike McC. drumming? It might even be one of the old Quarrymen. Including the bass guitar.

Xose · « **Reply #78 on:** June 21, 2010, 11:27:10 AM »

Quote from: Bobber on June 21, 2010, 11:00:09 AM

But then, what's your evidence to date these tapes earlier and to back up that it might be Mike McC. drumming? It might even be one of the old Quarrymen. Including the bass guitar.

Probably those tapes date from different eras. What seems clear is that playing standards were not (=at least at some of those recordings) those of Spring 1960. Would Larry Parness have contracted them to bak Johnny Gentle in a proffesional tour with those playing standards?? Would Johnny Gentle speak of their 'wonderful playing' with those playing standards??

Where was stated FOR THE FIRST TIME that those Forthlin Road tapes date Spring 1960??

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Bobber · « **Reply #79 on:** June 22, 2010, 09:18:31 AM »

I don't know the answer.

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