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Beatles forums => Films, TV Shows, Interviews => Topic started by: blmeanie on January 16, 2022, 12:42:10 AM
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check this out, didn't think i was going to watch the entire thing, looked up at the end and I had watched 40 minutes and wanted more, really good recap/review
https://youtu.be/E1enbCjsXu8 (https://youtu.be/E1enbCjsXu8)
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I watched his video about three weeks ago. He's young and he bases his opinions on Peter Jackson's edited Get Back documentary. He wasn't around in the 1960s to witness The Beatles phenomenon as it evolved. I wonder if he ever watched the original Get Back film as it was shown in theaters in 1970.
The 1970 Get Back left us with the impression of a group in its decline as a result internal strife. I saw it in the theater when it was released and it was depressing to watch. At least it ended on a high note with the rooftop concert. Several months before the movie was released, we were treated with Abbey Road and we thought that all was peaceful in Beatle Land. There was no internet and music forums but there were fan magazines which we knew were unreliable and sensationalistic in their news delivery. It wasn't until Let It Be was released coincident with the Get Back movie that reality sunk in. With the subsequent release of the Hey Jude LP (mine is labeled The Beatles Again as it was a first pressing), we all understood and accepted the finality of the situation. The 1970s started and popular music was taking a different path without the influence of The Beatles.
In 2004 I purchased the Get Back DVD set which included a couple of hours of outtakes. I did not watch Peter Jackson's documentary. The outtakes in my DVD set clearly showed Paul, Ringo, and particularly George disturbed by Yoko's presence. This reviewer either didn't watch those scenes or Peter Jackson edited them out of his documentary.
He also calls it the BEST Beatles film. Hardly!
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fair on the positive/not negative spin on yoko
I believe Peter Jackson's story is biased, impossible not to be.
I think he absolutely wanted to remove some of the stink around impressions from the original. The Beatle fandom world consists of those that were of the age to experience it all first hand and then others that were not. I did not, I was born in 65, obviously missed it all actually. I appreciate the love affair and perspective Peter Jackson provided because, while edited footage, it is not historical fiction or a re-enactment. We get 8+ hours of footage, with a good bit of confrontational and showing tensions but it wasn't entirely about that.
I would recommend you watch Peter Jackson's, solely for the improvements made on the video/audio. They did a tremendous job and it is beautiful. You get to hear things throughout that just continue to leave impressions of incredible love/brotherly love between them.
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blmeanie, Let It Be was released on VHS, Betamax and LaserDisc in 1981. DVD bootlegs have been around for a while and the one I have is of good quality, similar to what I saw in the theater in 1970. The outtakes' quality is almost as good.
From the promos I've seen, modern computer enhancement has done wonders for the film.
But it's been said that Paul and Ringo were opposed to re-releasing the film until about three years ago based on the disharmony evident in the original 1970 movie. I guess there was enough extra footage shot that showed happier moments, enough that Paul and Ringo agreed to its re-release in this Peter Jackson documentary form.
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yep, all I was suggesting is that the original editing may have been biased too. While this had more than enough clips showing them goofing around, enjoying themselves, the original showed enough clips to paint the dark picture.
One thing in this new one I found interesting is that there were parts where John is talking/promoting Allen Klein as brilliant to I think George and Ringo at different times. Glyn Johns at one point is listening and offers up to John that he "be careful" and it was in one ear and out the other.
They recorded my favorite album 6 months after all this footage. Obviously they were separating, there is no doubting that. Yoko as a huge part of John's existence. Linda as a huge part of grounding Paul. Allen Klein. Lack of Brian Epstein. Musically held back (George). Musical direction differences (all). The End was near. Too much living in those 7-8 public years together.
I love this new documentary for glimpses into the joy they still shared together, even as they were separating and for insight into how they wrote and perfected songs as a band.
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Now, more than ever, I'd like to see the original Let It Be so I can compare and contrast the two. There's no room in my budget right now to tracll down a bootleg, so I'll just have to wait.
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I tracked it down for you, Kathy. Here it is on eBay: The Beatles Let It be DVD Brand New and Sealed Plays Worldwide NTSC 0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/164140171654?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2637844186:g:ivIAAOSw9ttefXnJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSLY2M1Gjmuwt9c03vWNfiRlsEsRLCX1FkVwajnsFlr9AnVJBRHoCuf%252B2ecEXMcO2zvIce5ck7F%252B7x%252FRECpOvFYm6XYb%252Bxhs7o%252BHbeSBYWnDBJrJ9Ek7H27sAP4YDs6my6ZWNvwPT6%252BfK%252B5F2Z%252FACIAlhV%252FCtHUqhCrziH2czIz8P3jd7VUrMfeshwhuA1vV%252BVJYcHqJuUFuO6mE52NsJAkdWtjSmr2nv0VpnlMeTEpBczs93VjcCVkv0%252FGdiPDrrNsghRUkAYfTgviqF9r7JS0CyA7Cb8jG01tYYDGXpeEqRANf%252BmaAyGYJj%252FuN2V3LLp3WWZdua3jkatMdKQIiRkOyurRzHzW28NuxfIx2JgaWWo9GM4%252BVzx%252BeoRrevwzbeOqT8eZanjmos%252FZuCB4fr8YOxn6OgVdS3otaIQ7RWx86%252F0eWmgb0ajLE57Etfm%252FLfoSA1xxY40kGqR6Nf2n3Jr8lFM3dFgaH5w5JaXN5O91d2%252FJ1Xt4kZCEemNnNEzKayPWarAZvq6UMXcKljOzLniuxL6vTIyZmGF1h0Wueo2p00fcurJPdm8UHudaj22%252BL%252Fv9T5ooM8E1zEnvU4UvyVvz3PZ%252BocPwXROOgiJXMWQpJgXmI81xJZ%252BaKLOILezaQhySjR71PkbHV0eBb9f7mOlvn3MVfTTkOQwDvYU2jHKL19j3x2JtritT2ZLjQqcHP5zXbq619rGWLUlpqX1jCBrns9iNa9auAwtggJcdDp%252BnCJwUr0TvkYpUzH03cw2ugyXpcr9oPqPSHhN0N%252BAh8czYkzrfhMgyEugZmNfSNjzGzLanbr%252B4JZAdOTRS1v6%252FZtz%7Cclp%3A2334524%7Ctkp%3ABFBMzN7Ln81f)
I'm not sure if it contains the outtakes discs as mine does...
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The seller welcomes questions.
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Thanks, Barry!
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There's just one outtake disc, Kathy. email the seller as he only posted a picture of the front of the case. If it's a two-disc set, he's offering it at a nice price.
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yep, all I was suggesting is that the original editing may have been biased too. While this had more than enough clips showing them goofing around, enjoying themselves, the original showed enough clips to paint the dark picture.
I think there was a lot of interference from Klein in particular. He decided that only the Beatles should be featured in the film. So for Let it Be we lost Mal, Glyn Johns and all the other assorted people involved. Which is great to see in this new film. The original Let it Be cut was longer but lots of John and Yoko were apparently cut out after complaints from Paul, George and Ringo. And George's quitting was left out.
It does look like Peter Jackson has deliberately downplayed Yoko in the sessions (aside from her three vocal performances) although the issues are alluded to when Linda and Paul mention that George left the first meeting as Yoko was speaking for John, and Paul has his famous quote about the Beatles breaking up cos Yoko sat on an amp.
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Now, more than ever, I'd like to see the original Let It Be so I can compare and contrast the two. There's no room in my budget right now to tracll down a bootleg, so I'll just have to wait.
Yes I'll have to whack on my DVD too. Haven't watched it for a while. It's not great sound or picture quality unfortunately. I thought there was talk of them reissuing the original film all gussied up. Which would be great.
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There's just one outtake disc, Kathy. email the seller as he only posted a picture of the front of the case. If it's a two-disc set, he's offering it at a nice price.
I'm still going to have to wait for the time being, Barry—too many Sephora splurges—but thank you.
I thought there was talk of them reissuing the original film all gussied up. Which would be great.
That would be fantastic! Fingers crossed. :)
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I'm still going to have to wait for the time being, Barry—too many Sephora splurges—but thank you.
What the heck; a Sephora order arrived today, and I'm returning it and have ordered a copy of the original Let It Be DVD. Not a bootleg, and no outtake disc, but I got a good price.
I'm looking forward to seeing it. Something to look forward to during this brutal winter. :)
I think there was a lot of interference from Klein in particular. He decided that only the Beatles should be featured in the film. So for Let it Be we lost Mal, Glyn Johns and all the other assorted people involved. Which is great to see in this new film.
Yes. I can't imagine preferring the original Let It Be to Get Back simply for that reason.
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I feel it's important to see Let It Be as it was shown in theaters in 1970. The DVD will provide you with that experience. You'll see the movie in its original 16mm film resolution which enhances an often somber mood.
The 1970 Let It Be movie started out on a somber note...
(https://i.postimg.cc/FNvdP7f6/Let-It-Be.jpg)
That's Mal, by the way.
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I think there was a lot of interference from Klein in particular.
I never liked that guy...
(https://glocalbuzz.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/article-0-0598CEF2000005DC-958_468x506.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY4psuv3oFA# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY4psuv3oFA#)
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I never liked that guy...
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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY4psuv3oFA#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY4psuv3oFA#[/url])
Nah. Can’t see him as anything but a villain in the Beatle story even if he got them a better emi deal.
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I feel it's important to see Let It Be as it was shown in theaters in 1970. The DVD will provide you with that experience. You'll see the movie in its original 16mm film resolution which enhances an often somber mood.
The 1970 Let It Be movie started out on a somber note...
([url]https://i.postimg.cc/FNvdP7f6/Let-It-Be.jpg[/url])
That's Mal, by the way.
My bootleg is as somber as it gets. It’s like they’ve reduced the colour saturation as well. Almost black and white.
When I get time I’ll put it on again. Fascinated how it’ll look to me now.
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What the heck; a Sephora order arrived today, and I'm returning it and have ordered a copy of the original Let It Be DVD.
You have your priorities spot on. icon_good
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You have your priorities spot on. icon_good
But now I won't have lustrous copper highlights in my hair. :( ;D
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so I took a look on eBay at the original dvd of the Let it Be movie and picked one up, they are shipping from AUS so it will be a while before I see it. -
Normandie- there were multiple on eBay so I didn't steal the only one you may look for :)
I also found a DVD of the Complete Beatles, converted to DVD from laser disk, I used to have an old VHS of it, not sure if I still do. This was my first real exposure to the behind the scenes details of the Beatles career. Love the 2 hours, haven't seen it in years but can still quote from it easily.
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Normandie- there were multiple on eBay so I didn't steal the only one you may look for :)
:) I was lucky to find it from a domestic seller (not on eBay). It should be here in 3 days. . . We'll see.
I also found a DVD of the Complete Beatles, converted to DVD from laser disk, I used to have an old VHS of it, not sure if I still do.
That's next on my list!
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But now I won't have lustrous copper highlights in my hair. :( ;D
You'll have Paul's luxurious locks to admire instead.
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. . . have ordered a copy of the original Let It Be DVD. Not a bootleg, and no outtake disc, but I got a good price.
OK, this just arrived, and it is a bootleg, which annoys me because according to the seller's listing it's an original. >:( Still, I'll take what I can get. I'll watch it as soon as I get caught up a bit and can enjoy it without stressing about multiple deadlines.
Update: Arrgh; of course this was never released on DVD, so I shouldn't have been surprised this was a bootleg. I've been too wrapped up in work lately!
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OK, this just arrived, and it is a bootleg, which annoys me because according to the seller's listing it's an original. >:( Still, I'll take what I can get. I'll watch it as soon as I get caught up a bit and can enjoy it without stressing about multiple deadlines.
Update: Arrgh; of course this was never released on DVD, so I shouldn't have been surprised this was a bootleg. I've been too wrapped up in work lately!
I think I made a similar mistake when I bought mine about fifteen years ago. I wasn’t as up to date on what had been officially released. So I bought it off eBay and Lo and behold, when it arrived, it was a bootleg.
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I think I made a similar mistake when I bought mine about fifteen years ago. I wasn’t as up to date on what had been officially released. So I bought it off eBay and Lo and behold, when it arrived, it was a bootleg.
You can open a dispute and ask for a refund (if you want one) The seller has to pay return postage.
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You can open a dispute and ask for a refund (if you want one) The seller has to pay return postage.
In my case I didn’t mind that much. It wasn’t too expensive and it was the only way I was going to see it.
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Nimrod and Moogmodule, you are both correct. I probably won't pursue a refund -- caveat emptor, and all that. I'm curious to, and a bit ambivalent about, the quality of the recording.
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OK, this just arrived, and it is a bootleg, which annoys me because according to the seller's listing it's an original. >:( Still, I'll take what I can get. I'll watch it as soon as I get caught up a bit and can enjoy it without stressing about multiple deadlines.
Update: Arrgh; of course this was never released on DVD, so I shouldn't have been surprised this was a bootleg. I've been too wrapped up in work lately!
Watch the DVD first, Kathy. You might be pleasantly surprised. Remember, the movie was shot on 16mm film and transferred to 35mm for theatrical release in 1970. The original motion picture was not of excellent quality. But I feel it lent charm to the viewing experience when I first saw it in the theater. My DVD is of similar quality to what I saw in the theater. Yours should be too.
I don't think the original Let It Be movie will ever be remastered and released on DVD. Paul and Ringo were always opposed to its re-release.
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Watch the DVD first, Kathy.
I will indeed. I'm going to hold off for a bit until I can actually relax and watch it. :)
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I will indeed. I'm going to hold off for a bit until I can actually relax and watch it. :)
And you'll enjoy it just the way it is, I'm sure.
The seller was correct in listing your DVD as "original." It's the original 1970 Let It Be movie and not the Get Back documentary.
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The seller was correct in listing your DVD as "original." It's the origina I'ml 1970 Let It Be movie and not the Get Back documentary.
I beg to differ. The seller should have specified that the disc was a bootleg of Let It Be. It's pretty clear it's not "Get Back." Although, who knows what the general public expected.
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I beg to differ. The seller should have specified that the disc was a bootleg of Let It Be.
To clarify, I was referring to the seller from whom I bought my copy of Let It Be, not the seller you originally mentioned, Barry. I'm staring down multiple deadlines, and my stress level has been off the charts. I was typing too fast last night.
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I beg to differ. The seller should have specified that the disc was a bootleg of Let It Be. It's pretty clear it's not "Get Back." Although, who knows what the general public expected.
Selling bootlegs is illegal.
Some famous artists sued someone for selling a bootleg CD on ebay recently, cant remember who it was. Your seller is taking a big risk.
Edit. Just remembered , it was Clapton.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-20/eric-clapton-sues-widow-over-bootleg-cd/100713840 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-20/eric-clapton-sues-widow-over-bootleg-cd/100713840)
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Selling bootlegs is illegal.
Some famous artists sued someone for selling a bootleg CD on ebay recently, cant remember who it was. Your seller is taking a big risk.
Edit. Just remembered , it was Clapton.
You beat me to it, nimrod. :) I was just going to say that.
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This is very thoughtful piece by an English author on the film.
https://ianleslie.substack.com/p/the-banality-of-genius-notes-on-peter (https://ianleslie.substack.com/p/the-banality-of-genius-notes-on-peter)
Favourite quote:
“They moved through the world in a dream, and the world became their dream.“
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^^^^^^^
That's the best article on the series that I've read so far. The headline—"The Banality of Genius"—is sublime.
I enjoyed the author's insightful observations, in particular about John and George Martin. I'm going to print this out so I can have it on hand to refer to as I rewatch the series.
Favourite quote:
“They moved through the world in a dream, and the world became their dream.“
That's a great one. I also liked this:
"In a dream, you decide to fly and you fly and it doesn’t even seem odd that you can fly. When I say the Beatles didn’t know what they were doing, that’s what I mean."
And now we know the young man to whom Paul was showing how to write songs was a clapboard operator. :) How great would that job have been?
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And now we know the young man to whom Paul was showing how to write songs was a clapboard operator. :) How great would that job have been?
I wonder if anyone has tried to see if he’s still around. He looks like maybe 17 of 18 so would be only in his late 60s now.
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This is very thoughtful piece by an English author on the film.
[url]https://ianleslie.substack.com/p/the-banality-of-genius-notes-on-peter[/url] ([url]https://ianleslie.substack.com/p/the-banality-of-genius-notes-on-peter[/url])
Favourite quote:
“They moved through the world in a dream, and the world became their dream.“
Very good.
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I wonder if anyone has tried to see if he’s still around. He looks like maybe 17 of 18 so would be only in his late 60s now.
I think I found him: Paul Bond. Looks like he's about 76. https://www.nme.com/features/get-back-beatles-doc-whos-who-glyn-johns-mal-evans-3106956 (https://www.nme.com/features/get-back-beatles-doc-whos-who-glyn-johns-mal-evans-3106956)
Here's his iMDb profile: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0094010/ (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0094010/)
And a bit more on him here: https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-beatles-get-back-non-beatles-went-great-things.html/ (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-beatles-get-back-non-beatles-went-great-things.html/)
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Nice detective work Normandie. Interesting that in the cheat sheet article on who went on to good things after the film they leave out Alan Parsons.
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I will indeed. I'm going to hold off for a bit until I can actually relax and watch it. :)
Finally got around to it; the quality was better than I anticipated. The only other bootleg items I have are a handful of Who vinyls, and they're atrocious.
Get Back is far superior, naturally, but I enjoyed Let It Be as well, although it was a bit Paul-heavy for my taste.
I got a kick out of watching John and Paul goofing around with "Two of Us" early on in the film.
I'll have to wait to post more until I get on top of my deadlines and can gather my thoughts.
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This is an old article (last December), so perhaps many of you have already come across it. I think it compares and contrasts Let It Be and Get Back quite nicely:
https://collider.com/the-beatles-let-it-be-documentary-not-online-reasons-why/ (https://collider.com/the-beatles-let-it-be-documentary-not-online-reasons-why/)
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Another old article (again from last December), but it's a quick and fun read, so I wanted to share it: https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/beatles-get-back-disney/ (https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/beatles-get-back-disney/)
The very first section made me laugh:
What kind of idiot calls the police because the sound from a free Beatles concert — the band’s first in three years — is too loud? At the 1:39:34 mark of the third episode, PC Ray Shayler and another officer enter Apple Corps and tell doorman Jimmy Clarke that “…we’ve had about 30 complaints in the space of half an hour.” The Beatles were brilliant and Get Back should be 88 hours long, but the biggest takeaway from the series is that some people sure do hate fun.
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I'm very glad Paul and Ringo pushed back on editing out the cursing and smoking:
https://nypost.com/2021/11/29/beatles-doc-director-disney-wanted-to-erase-swearing-smoking/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/29/beatles-doc-director-disney-wanted-to-erase-swearing-smoking/)
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with summer upon us, most things on tv are less interesting right now, thinking I will take a formal stroll through Get Back again
I broke down and bought a hat at the concert a few weeks ago, time to get back
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https://www.thewrap.com/beatles-emmys-2022-peter-jackson-paul-mccartney/ (https://www.thewrap.com/beatles-emmys-2022-peter-jackson-paul-mccartney/)
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This article is a few days old, meant to post it earlier, but time got away from me:
https://people.com/music/julian-lennon-almost-skipped-get-back-screening-but-went-as-team-with-brother-sean-lennon/ (https://people.com/music/julian-lennon-almost-skipped-get-back-screening-but-went-as-team-with-brother-sean-lennon/)
I think it's nice and Julian and Sean have such a close, positive relationship.
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I've recently watched this for a 2nd time. And while the quality of the picture is awesome I don't really enjoy it that much.
It's interesting as a look at how they put songs together and I liked John and Paul's goofing around.
It's very sad imo though as a "fly on the wall" doco it shows that really only Paul wanted to actually be there, and do the show. (hard to know with Ringo as he says virtually nothing for 6 hours).
It's sad the others had lost interest.
It has an overwhelming sadness for me. Just like the original.
I grew up just listening to the released records. I think I'll just do that from now on. (the mono remasters).
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too bad, I enjoyed it and will be watching it again soon