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Beatles forums => Songs => Topic started by: Loco Mo on June 29, 2022, 02:26:04 PM
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I just noticed something I've never heard before. I was listening to "Lovely Rita" (the 2017 remix). At the end, you hear "I don't believe it." It sounds like John. I just thought I'd share this observation for anyone who might appreciate this bit of trivia. Maybe someone has posted about this somewhere already but I don't know.
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That's interesting, Loco Mo; I'd never heard that before. The 2017 remix sounded really fantastic, by the way. Not being a musician, I'm not able to be more specific than that. But it sounded great on my computer, like I was right there in the studio. Oh, and it does sound to me like that's John saying "I don't believe it."
https://youtu.be/Dd0jILpBVCQ (https://youtu.be/Dd0jILpBVCQ)
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With all the love-making sounds at the end, I've always heard it as "I'm leaving." You know, the opposite of "I'm coming." Something John would toss in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq05ksSekJE# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq05ksSekJE#)
Take 9
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With all the love-making sounds at the end, I've always heard it as "I'm leaving." You know, the opposite of "I'm coming." Something John would toss in...
In that clip, Barry, I hear "I'm leaving," too. And that definitely sounds like something John would do (i.e., switch the wording).
I had no idea those were sounds of lovemaking. . . Not sure if I'm naive or simply have had different experiences.
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Yes, that's how we heard it in 1967. They used to have full Sgt. Pepper's vinyl LPs and 1987 CDs on YouTube but no longer. The 2009 mix is close...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysDwR5SIR1Q# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysDwR5SIR1Q#)
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So those are two different versions, then? Because I can clearly hear "I don't believe it" in the 2017 remix Loco Mo mentioned, and I hear "I'm leaving" in the clip you posted, Barry.
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We distinctly heard "I'm leaving" on the LP in 1967, on the CD in 1987, and on the 2009 Remaster in 2009. Someone messed with the master tape copy for 2017 Remix because "I don't believe it" is clearly heard.
At least they left Take 9 alone and John saying "Oh no, no, no...I refuse to go" which is a good rejoinder to "I'm leaving."
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Normandie: I tried listening several times on my headphones. I didn't exactly feel the "in-the-room" experience though. I recall years ago on my first stereo system that I was oftentimes startled when listening to various records because of the feeling that the vocalist was right in my room with me. Maybe I've become aurally jaded over the years.
Hello Goodbye: I think you have very good hearing because I cannot hear "I'm leaving" in that jumble of sounds toward the end of Take 9. This Take surprises me because Paul's voice sounds very different. It seems to be at a higher pitch and has a shorter snappier quality to the enunciations of the words. The voice almost sounds borderline female. I don't think I've heard any other songs in which Paul sounds like he does on Take 9.
Also note: I was counting to the song in terms of 8 to the bar. Try doing this for Love Ly Ri Ta Me ter maid. What is interesting is you think you're counting 8 syllables but there are actually only 7. I am somewhat confused by the count at "Me Ter." It's as if the word jumps somehow and it's off beat somewhat. It is very hard to discern the actual count. Also, I have noticed that groups of sixteenth notes work very well for the energy of the song but not actually what is heard, which appears to be quarter notes. Not sure if anyone's on my wavelength here, but if so, please comment. Thank you. I think it's even possible that the word "Me Ter" could be a compilation of the quarter note and a possible thirty-second note for "Ter." It's very hard to hear, I'll admit.
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Hello Goodbye: I think you have very good hearing because I cannot hear "I'm leaving" in that jumble of sounds toward the end of Take 9.
Try using better headphones, Loco.
Also note: I was counting to the song in terms of 8 to the bar. Try doing this for Love Ly Ri Ta Me ter maid. What is interesting is you think you're counting 8 syllables but there are actually only 7. I am somewhat confused by the count at "Me Ter." It's as if the word jumps somehow and it's off beat somewhat. It is very hard to discern the actual count. Also, I have noticed that groups of sixteenth notes work very well for the energy of the song but not actually what is heard, which appears to be quarter notes. Not sure if anyone's on my wavelength here, but if so, please comment. Thank you. I think it's even possible that the word "Me Ter" could be a compilation of the quarter note and a possible thirty-second note for "Ter." It's very hard to hear, I'll admit.
This is Eight to the Bar...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmZiqrqXDw# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmZiqrqXDw#)
...in boogie rhythm
The Andrews Sisters also show us what Four to the Bar sounds like...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWYU8qqjhEs# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWYU8qqjhEs#)
Some folks like to hear eight beat rhythm
I don't go for that stuff no more
Anytime you really want to send me
Bounce me brother with a solid four
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:)
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Lovely Rita is in 4/4 time.
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Hello Goodbye: Thanks for the feedback and the videos. I've always loved the Andrew Sisters. Their harmonies seem so effortless. I like the way Maxene joined so naturally during parts of Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy. Not for a minute did she ever seem out of breath or off cue. And Patty could really belt that ad lib during the middle of the song. I wonder if she grew up listening to scat singers (as a key influence).
Well, I think I get it. 8 to the bar sounds very much like consecutive 8th notes throughout with the accent on every second beat. 4/4 sounds like something an in-time drummer could have a lot of fun with in terms of fills. It's easy to lose timing control if your timing sense is poor and your fills are not on the beat. A not-fast-enough drummer would have trouble while utilizing too many fills (although brief) if he/she can't do them quickly enough on beat and between beats IMO.
FWIW: I felt like the song had a song-and-response quality in terms of Lovely Rita and then Meter Maid. Also, I was counting 8 beats for both verses so that's why I erroneously labeled it 8 to the bar. I still find it interesting that you may think you hear 8 syllables but it's only 7.
So, I didn't hear "I'm leaving" but I heard "I refuse to go." I was listening in the wrong place of the song last time.
I tried different headphones (Master Pulse Pro 7.1ch with bass FX) and pumped up the volume. I still didn't feel the "in-the-room" ambience because (psychologically) I felt the song's parts were pieced together at different times while assembling the overall song. I mean John's vocals had an echo or sustain type quality to them. I don't feel like that would have occurred simultaneously with Paul singing lead vocal. Well, what do I know? I'm sort of a pretend analyst here. But thanks again, I appreciate your feedback (as usual).
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Hello Goodbye: Thanks for the feedback and the videos. I've always loved the Andrew Sisters. Their harmonies seem so effortless. I like the way Maxene joined so naturally during parts of Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy. Not for a minute did she ever seem out of breath or off cue. And Patty could really belt that ad lib during the middle of the song. I wonder if she grew up listening to scat singers (as a key influence).
Loco, one of the reasons The Andrews Sisters sounded so great was because they were sisters gifted with "sibling harmony." We saw this with The Lennon Sisters, The Everly Brothers, The McGuire Sisters and other like vocalists...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4iAPBRGIbE# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4iAPBRGIbE#)
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These young sisters have that same gift...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7k6HlkjtA# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7k6HlkjtA#)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MZ5ck5yQ/Columbo-There-s-just-one-more-thing.jpg)
This is what three-part harmony sung by the same singer sounds like...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGen2kxzZic# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGen2kxzZic#)
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Thanks again, Hello Goodbye. I enjoyed those added videos of the Andrew Sisters and the D'amore Sisters. I visited the D'amore Facebook page and noted that they haven't posted anything since 2014. Also, I was surprised to learn that Bei Mir Bist Du Schon is Yiddish (To me you're beautiful). I always thought this was German but it's not, it's Yiddish. Incidentally, the song was banned by Nazi Germany because its composer was Jewish (Sholom Secunda).
Also, interesting to know that the song "catapulted the relatively unknown trio (The Andrew Sisters) to fame and became a tremendous hit for Kapp's Decca label."
Bette Midler and her sisters did their own trio version of Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy. It's very good and infectious to the max degree!
BTW: Listening to the videos on YouTube led me to listen to Funkytown by Lipps, Inc. which was in the queue. I love that song!!
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Funny how Yamini Chitale's video really makes you think they are 3 people until you check out her other videos and you see it's only her.
The song is very exciting. I think the vocal accents for the first half of the song really drive it along. I also think the harmonies really give her voice a fuller quality as opposed to the solo parts.
This song really seems meant to be sung by women. Am I wrong about this?
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Loco, one of the reasons The Andrews Sisters sounded so great was because they were sisters gifted with "sibling harmony." We saw this with The Lennon Sisters, The Everly Brothers, The McGuire Sisters and other like vocalists...
And these guys !
https://youtu.be/Uj5aznUArrw (https://youtu.be/Uj5aznUArrw)
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Also, I was surprised to learn that Bei Mir Bist Du Schon is Yiddish (To me you're beautiful). I always thought this was German but it's not, it's Yiddish.
I know. I understand Yiddish and can speak it a bit.
Incidentally, the song was banned by Nazi Germany because its composer was Jewish (Sholom Secunda).
As we saw in Swing Kids...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU7mSf5ncbk# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU7mSf5ncbk#)
Janis Siegel is singing Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen in that clip. The actress in the movie does a good job lip-syncing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWvuB1vSsAc# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWvuB1vSsAc#)
Janis Siegel is a member of The Manhattan Transfer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dJ1R4v-ag# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dJ1R4v-ag#)
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And these guys !
[url]https://youtu.be/Uj5aznUArrw[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/Uj5aznUArrw[/url])
Definitely!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN4G7goR4LA# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN4G7goR4LA#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkrW7YpRpg# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkrW7YpRpg#)
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This song really seems meant to be sung by women. Am I wrong about this?
You're not wrong about this, Loco. It's meant to be sung by women.
Here are The Barry Sisters singing Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen completely in Yiddish...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G87IvmGRPvo# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G87IvmGRPvo#)
More beautiful Sibling Harmony. icon_good icon_good
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MZ5ck5yQ/Columbo-There-s-just-one-more-thing.jpg)
Benny Goodman and his Orchestra performed Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen at Carnegie Hall in 1938...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awvNwuZaqjQ# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awvNwuZaqjQ#)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vs3bWgcQ/Benny-Goodman-Carnegie-Hall.jpg)
That's Liltin' Martha Tilton on vocals...
(https://i.scdn.co/image/3078b1624a53fe8bf775e079393c5424c909ebe7)
And Ziggy Elman doing the trumpet solo...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F8P4szVyf0M/XOpPkFH0ZxI/AAAAAAAAiBE/dUuuLRtyWNghi-ssL3ZS44n81lcFsTvHgCLcBGAs/s320/bigbandlibrarysheetmusicelmanziggy.jpg)
Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen is in 4/4 time as is Lovely Rita
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Hello Goodbye: The ending scene from The Swing Kids video excerpt was hard to watch. I saw a review in which the following statement was made: "In the eyes of today's teenagers, Nazis are simplistic villains who get outsmarted, out-gunned and outmaneuvered by Indiana Jones in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and other simplistic action-adventure tales. For that uninformed youth audience, 'Swing Kids' is a grim history lesson on the horrors the Nazis inflicted on fellow Germans during Adolf Hitler's move toward World War in 1939." It's very hard to watch and to be reminded of the astonishing brutality of the time.
On a lighter note, I wonder if "Laverne and Shirley" were Yiddish. Ref: Schlemiel Schlimazel from their theme song.
Wow! It's good to be reminded of how good the Bee Gees were. Phenomenal songs and vocals.
I love and adore the Barry Sisters!! Their Yiddish version of Bei Mir Bist Du Schon is like ear candy to me. I love their version the most of all others! Thanks for posting.
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Note the English translation of Bei Mir Bist Du Schon:
I will say to you, so you'd hear directly
so that you would declare (your) love to me
When you speak with your eyes,
I would fly with you wherever you wish
I do not care where.
When you have a bit of sense
And when you show your childlike little smile
When you are wild as an Indian
Even if you were a Galitzyaner,
I say: It doesn't bother me.
To me, you are lovely,
To me, you are charming.
To me, you are the only one in the world.
To me, you are lovely,
To me, you are charming,
To me, you are more precious than money.
Many pretty girls wanted me for a spouse
and among them all I chose only you.
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Also, while researching Bei Mir Bist Du Schon, I discovered a very beautiful poem: "Bist du bei mir" by Johann Sebastian Bach / Gottfried Heinrich Stölzel
Bist du bei mir, geh‘ ich mit Freuden
zum Sterben und zu meiner Ruh'!
Ach, wie vergnügt wär' so mein Ende:
Es drückten Deine schönen Hände
mir die getreuen Augen zu.
If you are with me, I will go with joy
To death and to my rest!
An, how cheerful were my end:
Your beautiful hands would press shut
My faithful eyes.
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Hello Goodbye: The ending scene from The Swing Kids video excerpt was hard to watch. I saw a review in which the following statement was made: "In the eyes of today's teenagers, Nazis are simplistic villains who get outsmarted, out-gunned and outmaneuvered by Indiana Jones in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and other simplistic action-adventure tales. For that uninformed youth audience, 'Swing Kids' is a grim history lesson on the horrors the Nazis inflicted on fellow Germans during Adolf Hitler's move toward World War in 1939." It's very hard to watch and to be reminded of the astonishing brutality of the time.
On a lighter note, I wonder if "Laverne and Shirley" were Yiddish. Ref: Schlemiel Schlimazel from their theme song.
Wow! It's good to be reminded of how good the Bee Gees were. Phenomenal songs and vocals.
I love and adore the Barry Sisters!! Their Yiddish version of Bei Mir Bist Du Schon is like ear candy to me. I love their version the most of all others! Thanks for posting.
Yes, Loco. Swing Kids was factual. Conditions in Nazi Germany were brutal in that era.
But let's think of how free we were in the United States at that time. Benny Goodman performed at Carnegie Hall and the audience wildly applauded Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen and Ziggy Elman's trumpet solo which was a freilach...the kind of Klezmer music played at Jewish weddings. Ziggy Elman had his own orchestra and rearranged this freilach...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf-whYEd6eI# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf-whYEd6eI#)
Der Shtiler Bulgar
...into a big band hit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sihG57r5uhs# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sihG57r5uhs#)
And The Angels Sing
Benny Goodman took it a step further, again with Martha Tilton and a trumpet freilach solo by Ziggy Elman...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKwEf-rSZs&list=RD0hKwEf-rSZs# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKwEf-rSZs&list=RD0hKwEf-rSZs#)
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Also, while researching Bei Mir Bist Du Schon, I discovered a very beautiful poem: "Bist du bei mir" by Johann Sebastian Bach / Gottfried Heinrich Stölzel
Bist du bei mir, geh‘ ich mit Freuden
zum Sterben und zu meiner Ruh'!
Ach, wie vergnügt wär' so mein Ende:
Es drückten Deine schönen Hände
mir die getreuen Augen zu.
If you are with me, I will go with joy
To death and to my rest!
An, how cheerful were my end:
Your beautiful hands would press shut
My faithful eyes.
That's a beautiful poem and you can see that Yiddish is similar to German.
Paul said that he was was influenced by Bach's Bourrée BWV 996...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKebYt6m0t0# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKebYt6m0t0#)
...when he wrote Blackbird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpWHJkEosAA&t=31s# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpWHJkEosAA&t=31s#)
Johann Sebastian Bach could have been a rock star if he wanted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Kyap5BTfo# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Kyap5BTfo#)
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It’s been quite a journey in this thread. From Lovely Rita to Yiddish and Bach via the Andrew sisters
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Loco and I are long distance voyagers. :)
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With all the love-making sounds at the end, I've always heard it as "I'm leaving." You know, the opposite of "I'm coming." Something John would toss in...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq05ksSekJE#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq05ksSekJE#[/url])
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Yeah but who did the ahhh's... icon_redface
I love the way this song ends, sounds like Jazz to me , some very jazzy piano chords
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Yeah but who did the ahhh's... icon_redface
The same one who did the ahhh's in A Day In The Life. :)
It was Paul