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Title: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 05, 2007, 06:26:05 PM
Well, folks, I've seen the first snippet from it today. You can read the full article with pictures here:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=473174&in_page_id=1879

The full book will be out at the end of August, at least in the US. I'm sure there will be plenty to discuss after we have a chance to read it. My, those wild rock stars.  :o Cheers.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: 834 on August 05, 2007, 07:42:11 PM
Sounds like an ego-boosting exercise.  She must be desperate or broke or both.  Until now, she and Jane Asher were the only two existing that took the high road.  Guess that narrows it down to one.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 05, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
I think desperate fits the bill in this case, 834. Her book is a reaction to Eric Clapton's biography, which is coming out at the same time. Apparently she and Eric had made an agreement that neither of them would talk about each other's personal lives. When Eric agreed to put out his official biography (for a handsome sum), it made Pattie so angry that she decided to come out with hers. Apparently the only way she could get her handsome sum was to cover the George Harrison aspect as well.

So I'm expecting a bit of George, but a lot of Eric. The excerpt that I read seems to support that view. Granted, you do find a lot of Beatles mentioned in it, but the stories are not very detailed. I guess none of the Beatles ex-wives really knows how to write!

The Jane stands alone!
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: 834 on August 05, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
Maureen seemed pretty down to earth.  She could have told a story or 20, but left well enough alone.  As JL said, everyone gets a book.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on August 05, 2007, 08:47:49 PM
I probably will read it, biographies are always more interesting when the author was actually there, writing about people they knew.  I could see why it made her angry, she probably wanted to get her side of the story in, before anyone judges her.  
I liked Cyn's book, I feel a lot of people didn't, but I did, showed me a whole other side of John.

As for Jane, I think she should right a book. I never heard why she and Paul  broke up, from either of them.  

She didn't age very well, to much plastic surgery it seems!
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 05, 2007, 09:18:29 PM
 I liked Cynthia's book as well, DSL. I like hearing the female perspective on why they did what they did, and how they perceived it.

Jane and Paul broke up over me. Sorry to break it to you this way, but it was time: August tell-all month. John (and you) are right: I should write a book. Mine will be titled, "I Was Only There to Walk Martha, and Look What Happened!"   :o
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on August 05, 2007, 10:17:39 PM
I should write a book. Mine will be titled, "I Was Only There to Walk Martha, and Look What Happened!"   (laugh2) That was so funny! I would be the first to buy it  ;)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Andy Smith on August 05, 2007, 11:03:04 PM
I dread to hear of a Heather Mills biog out! :-/
titled "Me & Macca"??? :P ;D
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on August 05, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
No one would buy it....what would she even write about they were married 4 years!

I hate that women  >:(
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kaleidoscope_Eyes on August 05, 2007, 11:48:08 PM
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titled "Me & Macca"??? :P ;D

"Macca & Me"?  :P

Octie thought of a good Geroge book title "S.I.G.H" stands for So Into Geroge Harrison

But about the Pattie book- I want to read it! I have always wanted to know what was happening between George and the woman whom he loved so much... the one that even after he she said no he kept on trying... the one he was so shy of telling her... and then what?  :-/
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Flaming Pie in the Sky on August 05, 2007, 11:48:17 PM
Ewwww... I despise Heather (dead1)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on August 05, 2007, 11:50:35 PM
I like Olivia better than Pattie...but that's just me!
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: 834 on August 06, 2007, 12:04:13 AM
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"I probably will read it, biographies are always more interesting when the author was actually there, writing about people they knew.  I could see why it made her angry, she probably wanted to get her side of the story in, before anyone judges her."

Does anyone care about Pattie Boyd?  She has been little more than a footnote in the Beatle saga.  She's going to bring more attention to all that weirdness than anything by writing a book.  The reality, at least from the excerpt was 'Me Me Me'.  She sounds proud of the fact that she was in the middle of two of the '60s biggest icons, not like she's trying to sway anyone.  Who knows?  Who cares?  That  book will be in the $1.99 bin about one month after its published.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 06, 2007, 12:04:33 AM
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I like Olivia better than Pattie...but that's just me!

Not just you, DSL. But George was a lot older when he met Olivia. It's really amazing that anyone stays together when they get together so young. They met when Pattie was 19 and George was 20. They married at 21 and 22. People do a lot of changing as they grow up. Even if you love each other, sometimes you just find up that you end up as two very different adult people without much in common. Based on the excerpt from the book, that sounds like what happened between P&G. No one traumatic incident, just a steady moving apart.

Edited to add: I think quite a lot of people care, 834. For one thing, it's a Beatles-related book by someone who wasn't a chauffeur or the third-assistant manager of the guy who used to run their downtown office and saw them twice at a party. Second, as the person who initiated the whole Maharishi adventure, she's more than a footnote. And finally, I think a lot of women will be keen to hear a woman's perspective on the situation.

Of course, if the book is a disappointment, it deserves to end up in the $1.99 bin. But I'm curious and eager to hear what she has to say.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Flaming Pie in the Sky on August 06, 2007, 12:04:57 AM
I want to read her book though...
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on August 06, 2007, 12:12:08 AM
True. But not impossible, my granparents were that age. May be a different time, but basically the same. Olivia I always just liked her more, just because she seems more real to me.

Pattie isn't my favorite Beatle wife, but I think her book will do ok. And she is writing the book about HER life. It's an auto-biography, it is going to be mainly about her. Though she does seem a little, I don't know, to me.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Taxgirl on August 06, 2007, 07:08:52 PM
She should have released her book while George was still alive. It's not really fair to do it after his death because he cannot make any comment.  :-/
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 06, 2007, 09:00:45 PM
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She should have released her book while George was still alive. It's not really fair to do it after his death because he cannot make any comment.  :-/
I think her release date has nothing to do with George. It's her counter-attack against Eric. His book is coming out this fall, so hers is, also.

Even if George were still available, I'm not sure he would have commented. He would have found this public airing of his personal affairs extremely distasteful. I'm not certain, but I don't think the former Beatles ever really answered any specific charges in various books about them, other than to say, "They're all crap." Somehow I don't see George pointing out the errors. Then again, if George were alive, Pattie might not have published this book. She seemed fond of him, and knew he would hate it. One could argue that she isn't causing him any pain by publishing this after his time.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Whoever on August 06, 2007, 09:18:34 PM
The better people here will have seen this thread and resisted to comment, however I am not a better person.

Those books are written for idiots to gossip about in internet forums. If it's important to gossip about it, then go right ahead, you'll hear no more from me on the matter.

"Isn't it a pity, oh isn't it a shame..."
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 12, 2007, 11:26:54 PM
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The better people here will have seen this thread and resisted to comment, however I am not a better person.

Those books are written for idiots to gossip about in internet forums. If it's important to gossip about it, then go right ahead, you'll hear no more from me on the matter.

"Isn't it a pity, oh isn't it a shame..."

Well put.  And you remain the better person.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mairi on August 13, 2007, 01:50:34 AM
Well, I happen to like Pattie. She seems pretty intelligent, and you have to admit she went through A LOT. I can't blame her for wanting to write a book to counter-attack Eric, but I think she will lose a lot of respect for doing this.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: 834 on August 13, 2007, 03:43:21 AM
True.  Why does she need to defend anything?  Layla and whatever aside but she was in the cog.  It's pretty well known anyways.  I can't imagine that Clapton could say anything horrible about her, but who knows.  His history is so rich with his music and history, I don't know how much attention he could pay to their sordid history, I mean, great, he pined for his best friend's wife and wrote one of his greatest songs for her, but one would hope that he would focus on his music rather than tabloid stuff.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: tkitna on August 13, 2007, 05:28:04 AM
If nothing else, Pattie was the best looking Beatle wife.

Just thought i'd throw that out there.

(Dammit just remembered Barbara. Oh well.)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Andy Smith on August 13, 2007, 03:40:57 PM
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If nothing else, Pattie was the best looking Beatle wife.

Just thought i'd throw that out there.

(Dammit just remembered Barbara. Oh well.)

Well, i dunno. Maureen was pretty damn cute!  :B
I think she was my fav of the Beatle wives, god bless her.
 :)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kevin on August 14, 2007, 11:20:35 AM
I'm in favour of any book that can give us some additional insight into the band. It all helps build the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Bobber on August 20, 2007, 09:29:21 AM
Excerpts and pictures here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=476230&in_page_id=1879
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 20, 2007, 02:20:50 PM
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I'm in favour of any book that can give us some additional insight into the band. It all helps build the bigger picture.
I only hope that it does. These excerpts, such as Bobber kindly posted, are pretty dry and superficial. It would be nice to think the book fleshes out her experience a little more, so I feel as if I'm seeing some of the Beatles phenomenon through her eyes. But I'll find out shortly!

Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kevin on August 20, 2007, 02:24:31 PM
I'm fully prepared for it be trite rubbish. But you got to take the good with the bad, weigh the evidence yaddy yadda (why am I telling YOU this?)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 20, 2007, 02:44:10 PM
Because I'm listening?  ;)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Sondra on August 20, 2007, 05:41:12 PM
I'm dissapointed in her. I thought she was beyond this. But oh well. Maybe if I had her stories I'd want to share them too. Who knows.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on August 21, 2007, 12:28:56 AM
Is it for sure coming out at the end of August in the U.S. ?

  I'm gonna add it to my Birthday list! ;)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 21, 2007, 02:13:19 AM
According to Amazon, it will be released on August 28, 2007.  I already have mine on order. :)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on August 21, 2007, 03:55:41 PM
Cool...putting that on my birthday list! ;)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: The Fox Drummer on August 21, 2007, 09:34:39 PM
I'll read it. I'm not much of a Patti fan...but hey, it does look interesting.

And I really want to read 'I Was Only There to Walk Martha, and Look What Happened!" ;)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 22, 2007, 01:10:50 AM
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And I really want to read 'I Was Only There to Walk Martha, and Look What Happened!" ;)

This will be the most truly revealing book. It is filled with panting and lolling tongues and doggie biscuits, where "doggie biscuits" can mean anything you like... ;)

Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: alexis on August 22, 2007, 01:38:18 AM
Funny thread about walking Martha!

Reading that excerpt from Patti Boyd Harrison's book, I just have one question - how do these guys stay friends after sleeping with each other's wives? I mean, George still being friend's with Eric Clapton? And ESPECIALLY Ringo still being friends with George after George slept with his wife?

I never knew that last one. I feel sorry for Ringo ...
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on August 22, 2007, 02:12:07 AM
Well, we'll have to see if Pattie can help clear this up. I think it's interesting that (according to Pattie) Ringo didn't think anything odd about Maureen not coming home until Pattie pointed it out to him. From her account, I think Mo was trying to get R's attention. Since P and G had already drifted apart, she picked G!

I really don't know. I wasn't part of the "free love" era. But I think in both cases there was distance between the husbands and wives, and instead of trying to work the problems out (as we do routinely today through counseling), the 60s people had no such resources, so just resorted to the old "Hah! He's ignoring me... this will make him jealous!"

G has said many times about Eric, "Pattie and I were basically done with each other when she took up with him", so it was more like Pattie moved on to another relationship. I think P&G wished each other well, but weren't in love anymore. As far as G making peace with R, I don't know that much about it. R did decide to leave Mo, which really hurt her. (She tried to commit suicide by driving into a wall.) So I would have to say R was through with M also and ready to move on. But there was a good bit of wife-swapping going on in the swinging set anyway at that time (and still is, for all I know), so I don't think all this sleeping around was as shocking to this group of people as it might be to those of us from a more traditional "one relationship at a time" background.

But I really don't know the answers. I hope P's book will shed some light. At the very least, we'll learn the way she rationalized it to herself.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Bobber on August 22, 2007, 08:57:41 AM
Another excerpt:

Quote
We met secretly at a flat in South Kensington. Eric Clapton had asked me to come because he wanted me to listen to a new number he had written.

He switched on the tape machine, turned up the volume and played me the most powerful, moving song I had ever heard. It was Layla, about a man who falls hopelessly in love with a woman who loves him but is unavailable.

He played it to me two or three times, all the while watching my face intently for my reaction. My first thought was: 'Oh God, everyone's going to know this is about me.'

I was married to Eric's close friend, George Harrison, but Eric had been making his desire for me clear for months. I felt uncomfortable that he was pushing me in a direction in which I wasn't certain I wanted to go.

But with the realisation that I had inspired such passion and creativity, the song got the better of me. I could resist no longer.

That evening I was going to the theatre to see Oh! Calcutta! with a friend and then on to a party at the home of pop impresario Robert Stigwood. George didn't want to go to the show or the party.

After the interval at Oh!Calcutta! I came back to find Eric in the next seat, having persuaded a stranger to swap places with him. Afterwards we went to Robert's house separately but we were soon together. It was a great party and I felt elated by what had happened earlier in the day but also deeply guilty.

During the early hours, George appeared. He was morose and his mood was not improved by walking into a party that had been going on for several hours and where most of the guests were high on drugs.

He kept asking 'Where's Pattie?' but no one seemed to know. He was about to leave when he spotted me in the garden with Eric. It was just getting light, and very misty. George came over and demanded: 'What's going on?' To my horror, Eric said: 'I have to tell you, man, that I'm in love with your wife.'

I wanted to die. George was furious. He turned to me and said: 'Well, are you going with him or coming with me?'

I had met George six years previously, in 1964, when he was filming A Hard Day's Night. Britain and most of Europe was in the grip of Beatlemania.

John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr were mobbed everywhere they went, and at their concerts thousands of hysterical teenagers cried and screamed so loudly that no one could hear the music.

 

2). Shortly before they started shooting A Hard Day's Night, The Beatles took America by storm. In February 1964 they appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show, one of America's most prestigious programmes, and attracted an audience of 73million.

I was a model, working with some of the most successful photographers in London, including David Bailey and Terence Donovan. I was appearing in newspapers and magazines such as Vanity Fair and Vogue, but in March my agent sent me along to a casting session for a film.

She called later to tell me I had been offered the part of a schoolgirl fan in a Beatles film. On first impressions, John seemed more cynical and brash than the others, Ringo the most endearing, Paul was cute and George, with velvet-brown eyes and dark chestnut hair, was the best-looking man I had ever seen. At a break for lunch I found myself sitting next to him. Being close to him was electrifying.

Almost the first thing he said to me was: 'Will you marry me?' He was joking but there was a hint of seriousness. We got together soon after that and married two years later on January 21, 1966. I was 21, he was 22. I was so happy and so much in love. I thought we would be together and happy for ever.

Three years later, in 1969, George wrote a song called Something. He told me in a matter-of-fact way that he had written it for me. I thought it was beautiful and it turned out to be the most successful song he ever wrote, with more than 150 cover versions.

Frank Sinatra said he thought it was the best love song ever written. George's favourite version was the one by James Brown. Mine was the one by George Harrison, which he played to me in our kitchen.

But, in fact, by then our relationship was in trouble. Since a trip to the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's ashram in India in 1968, George had become obsessive about meditation. He was also sometimes withdrawn and depressed.

My moods started to mirror his and at times I felt almost suicidal. I don't think I was ever in any real danger of killing myself but I got as far as working out how I would do it: put on a diaphanous Ossie Clark dress and throw myself off Beachy Head.

And there were other women, which really hurt me. George was fascinated by the god Krishna who was always surrounded by young maidens. He came back from India wanting to be some kind of Krishna figure, a spiritual being with lots of concubines. He actually said so.

No woman was out of bounds. I was friendly with a French girl who was going out with Eric Clapton. When she and Eric broke up, she came to stay with us at our house, Kinfauns, in Esher, Surrey.

 

3). She didn't seem remotely upset about Eric and was uncomfortably close to George. Something was going on between them but when I questioned George he told me my imagination was running away with me, that I was paranoid.

I left to stay with friends and within days George phoned to say the girl had gone. I returned home but I was shocked that he could do such a thing to me. I felt unloved and miserable.

It was around this time that Eric began to come over to our house. He and George had become close friends, writing and recording music together.

Eric's guitar playing was held in awe by his fellow musicians. Graffiti declaring 'Clapton is God' had been scrawled on the London Underground, and he was an incredibly exciting performer to watch. He looked wonderful on stage, very sexy.

But when I met him he didn't behave like a rock star
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kevin on August 22, 2007, 09:15:07 AM
Excellent. I like the bit about George using his Krishnaness as an excuse for screwing around. Nice to see  maybe he remained human after all.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kaleidoscope_Eyes on August 23, 2007, 11:13:12 AM
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Reading that excerpt from Patti Boyd Harrison's book, I just have one question - how do these guys stay friends after sleeping with each other's wives? I mean, George still being friend's with Eric Clapton? And ESPECIALLY Ringo still being friends with George after George slept with his wife?

I never knew that last one. I feel sorry for Ringo ...

Have you ever wondered how ABBA stayed together? And them not only swinging round but writing songs bout it too! Have you seen Phone Booth? I think guys mainly operate on the "hotel-motel" principal... And i dont blame them... I read that Ringo slept with others while Mo was waiting for him to return from a tour or something (and she knew that). So as HH said, it is all "free love" ans as we know from John "love is free, free is love"
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: on September 07, 2007, 09:09:17 PM
Did anyone see Patty Boyd on "Fox and Friends" last week on tv ? She's promoting her very first autobiography. Havent gotten a chance to read it yet, but I sure hope she's kind to George and Clapton in it.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on September 07, 2007, 10:59:30 PM
She is generally kind to George and very forgiving of everybody. There were a few excerpts published in advance of the book that highlighted the problems she had when she and George were breaking up, but that's the media focusing on the naughtiest bits and is not the overall tone of the book. She has 4 happy years with George and then thinks, "What happened?" She doesn't provide any insights, because she doesn't understand it herself. (I have my theories on that, which I'll capture at some point.)

Her marriage to Clapton sounds like a nightmare, and the reader is sure to wonder why she ever said yes, given the circumstances. But the focus is on surviving a bad situation with an alcoholic partner. She basically says, "Here's what you can do, here's what you can't, and it took me way too long to learn that." She makes a point of saying how she and George made up long ago-- she said he was "like an older brother" for years-- and how she and Eric are friends.

She asked Eric's permission to publish his love letters, and she asked Ringo's permission to talk about the Maureen affair. There's a lot she doesn't talk about, either, to the disappointment of those who wanted a more lurid tale. Peter Brown's "The Love You Make" was a nasty, gossippy piece. Pattie's story is more her own journey to try to understand how she ended up where she did.

I find it interesting that Cynthia (in her books) put a great deal of thought into what she thought John needed to make him happy. Both books were full of her care-taking type thoughts: how can I support him, make life stable, make him comfortable? In contrast, Pattie is a party animal. She likes George because he's handsome and funny. When things started to fall apart, she had no idea how to hold it together, because I don't think she ever really knew the man she married. Not a surprising outcome when you tie the knot at 21 and 22.

Didn't mean to ramble on so! I'll pull my thoughts together and post something a little more coherent about the book. Cheers!
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: on September 07, 2007, 11:10:12 PM
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Didn't mean to ramble on so! I'll pull my thoughts together and post something a little more coherent about the book. Cheers!

it was very coherent, hari..thx, I learned a lot I didn't know about the "Patty" P.O.V.

(yeah, I do feel Cynthia was a more mature type of woman--look how she kept her total dignity during the time John was leaving her for Yoko. I always respected her for that, even though ironically, I think we all came to love and respect Yoko as well for entirely different reasons)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: tkitna on September 08, 2007, 12:20:07 AM
I dont think Patty had 4 happy years with George. It was always said (even by George) that he didnt pay any attention to her.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Whoever on September 08, 2007, 10:59:05 AM
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Excellent. I like the bit about George using his Krishnaness as an excuse for screwing around. Nice to see  maybe he remained human after all.

You clearly do not understand what you are talking about. Nor does Patti Boyd seem to either.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kevin on September 08, 2007, 11:36:28 AM
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 Nor does Patti Boyd seem to either.

What line of thought has led you to be so sure?
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: harihead on September 08, 2007, 01:56:25 PM
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I dont think Patty had 4 happy years with George. It was always said (even by George) that he didnt pay any attention to her.
Sorry, Tk, what I meant to say was, this is how the book is written. We have the falling in love and the dating and the setting up house chapter and all that, and Pattie doesn't begin to go into any troubles until at least 4 nice George chapters. It is pretty easy to see the problems lurking when you read it, but it's not a George-bashing book on balance. She doesn't get upset (in print) until '68, and then she just seems mystified.

Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Whoever on September 08, 2007, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: 185

What line of thought has led you to be so sure?

Why are you sure that I'm so sure? I said seems. She seems out of her depth when George got a bit momentous. I think that you can grow out of people and social groups. Is that a clear answer?
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Andy Smith on September 08, 2007, 10:43:14 PM
This book is on my Christmas List now! :)
I flicked through it at a bookshop last week & it looks such
a great read! :)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kaleidoscope_Eyes on September 09, 2007, 04:39:16 AM
Pattie Boyd Interview (Aug 2007)

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYXB15XGGc

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8o78IhTrMw

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmV_FS-PJM
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kevin on September 10, 2007, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: 779

Why are you sure that I'm so sure? I said seems. She seems out of her depth when George got a bit momentous. I think that you can grow out of people and social groups. Is that a clear answer?

Yes. Thankyou very much.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Bobber on October 17, 2007, 09:33:09 AM
Anybody read it?
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 13, 2008, 01:11:28 AM
On recent trips to the library I've been reading Pattie Boyd Harrison Clapton's autobiography, titled You Look Wonderful Tonight (I think), featuring a colorful cover photo of Pattie in hippie regalia circa late '60s.  Yesterday I finished the chapter documenting the end of her marriage to George, the chapter ending with Pattie leaving England and joining Eric Clapton during his U.S. tour.

Has anyone else read it?

I think it's a long-overdue book; Pattie has a perspective unique among famous rock wives -- although I'm sure no one's been counting, I'd bet that Pattie has inspired more great love songs than any other woman.

Pattie seems down to earth (possibly due to her less than ideal family life during childhood) yet unaffected by the whirlwind going on around her.  She's open and not ashamed of the drug use which she partook in, including a one-time experiment with heroin, even after she was fully aware that Eric had sunk into a 4-year smack addiction, ostensibly because of her (he showed her a packet of heroin in 1970 and told her that if she didn't leave George for him, he'd use the stuff; and he did).  She justifies it by saying "I'll try everything once."

George doesn't come off looking so great in this book (maybe Pattie was reluctant to write this while he was still alive).  The first two years of their marriage seem idyllic, but when George went deeper down the Eastern spiritual path, things started changing.  He flaunted his affairs in front of her, even sometimes moving girlfriends into the house for short periods.  He spent long stretches of time doing his chanting and was impossible to communicate with during these times.  He moved the Hare Krishnas into their Friar Park estate; besides taking over the house, they basically drove Pattie out of the kitchen -- cooking had become Pattie's love in life and when she could no longer cook for her husband, she became more unhappy, and was finally driven into the arms of Mr. Clapton -- before she rejected him and he turned to the smack.

And am I the only Beatles fan who didn't know that George cheated on his wife -- openly -- with Maureen Starkey, RINGO'S WIFE?!   That was a shocker.

Any thoughts on the life story of Pattie Boyd?  It's been a pretty good read so far.
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Post by: HeatherBoo on June 13, 2008, 01:38:31 AM
I think there are some threads about the book somewhere around here.  I have the book I just haven't gotten around to reading it yet.  

You do have to remember though there are many sides to every story.  This is just one perspective.  I am not standing up for anyone, just saying.

And yes, George was a player  ;D

I should really start reading it.  I have Clapton's recent book also I haven't gotten to yet.
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 13, 2008, 02:52:00 AM
I'll be reading Clapton's autobio next.

My one complaint about Pattie's story (so far) is that up until the last chapter or two, it didn't feel that 'in-depth.'  I mean, Pattie described the vacations and honeymoons and how cute George was, yet it all seemed a little shallow.  I wasn't necessarily hoping to read all about George's lovemaking techniques or genitalia size, but.... I wanted more from Pattie in terms of what she was really experiencing during that era.  Ultimately -- and this is not a slam on Pattie, even though it may sound that way -- Pattie was/is what she was/is.... a great-looking model who married a Beatle and then Eric Clapton.  She's no idiot; and she's not Einstein -- or even Yoko Ono -- either.

There's a great passage in the book when Eric Clapton visits Friar Park around '74, and George (feeling the heat that Eric is putting on his marriage) pulls out a couple guitars and two amps into the hallway.  In front of Pattie, they do an old-fashioned duel on guitars.

Eric won.
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Post by: HeatherBoo on June 13, 2008, 03:18:20 AM
I want to know every dirty little details!  8)  is that too much to ask  ;D
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Post by: Beatles on June 13, 2008, 05:13:01 AM
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I want to know every dirty little details!  8)  is that too much to ask  ;D

Yeah please give us the second craziest thing you can find.(I found out about the affair reading a review or something about the book and yeah, it was pretty freaking shocking.)

Haha so far I've read that pretty much every Beatle was an total jerk, except for maybe Ringo, but I don't think that there are too many biographies out there for him, so, who knows?

It's really surprisong what all these Beatles did in their prime back in the 60s. You have this idea of how they are and then WOW you read something that totally freakin blows your mind about them.

Another crazy fact (or myth): The Beatles were all in the room while George was losing his virginity!How crazy is that!?!?
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Post by: DoBotherMe on June 13, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
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I want to know every dirty little details!    is that too much to ask  
 

Me too! Dana ; )
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 14, 2008, 11:40:30 PM
I've giving this thread a much-deserved bump because the thread I started a couple of days ago ("Who's read Pattie's autobiography?," post #52) was moved to this forum and then merged with this thread, which is buried god knows where in the books forum.

Having read the other posts in this thread, I find it a little surprising that a few posters have taken a self-righteous attitude toward Pattie's decision to write her story.  I'm surprised she didn't write it years ago.  It's certainly a story worth telling, even if Pattie doesn't appear to be the world's deepest thinker.  Clapton wrote his (which comically is sitting right next to Pattie's book at the local library), and George wrote his autobiography.  So why not Pattie?  As far as it being gossipy, well duh!  Isn't that a lot of what makes these forums fun?

Yesterday I finished the chapter about Pattie's pre-marriage relationship with Clapton.  More craziness, non-stop drinking, being forced to watch boring movies with Elvis, Pattie putting up with Eric's bad table manners and (compared to George) less-refined social skills.
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 14, 2008, 11:43:28 PM
Wow, now I'm finding out that this is in the George Harrison forum.  It belongs in the books forum, in my opinion.  No big deal I guess.
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Post by: Sondra on June 16, 2008, 05:46:49 AM
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Yesterday I finished the chapter about Pattie's pre-marriage relationship with Clapton.  More craziness, non-stop drinking, being forced to watch boring movies with Elvis, Pattie putting up with Eric's bad table manners and (compared to George) less-refined social skills.



Putting up with? She did alright. She's not exactly the definition of class herself.  ;)
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 16, 2008, 06:35:10 AM
Yeah, she certainly did alright for herself.  But why the hate towards Pattie?  She was classy enough to rise above the level of 'groupie' and actually become the wife of two rock gods.  In the pantheon of Beatle wives, she's hardly a villainess; I can think of two right off the bat who may be more deserving of that title.  (Hint: one of them answers to the name "Pegleg.")
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Post by: Sondra on June 16, 2008, 07:08:59 AM
Aw, I certainly don't hate her. That's why I stuck in the winking smile face. It just struck me funny. Her putting up with Eric. Hell, let me put up with him!  ;D Heh. Anyway, I don't think any of them were exactly paragons of virtue or high class. But then, who of us are?? ;) ;)
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 16, 2008, 08:54:22 AM
Yeah, from what I've read, I think Pattie was (is) a really nice, sweet lady (good cook too) who also has some warped '60s Beatle-morality going on.

Can I coin the phrase "Beatle-morality" or is that already taken?
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Post by: Jane on June 21, 2008, 05:51:30 PM
I havent seen Pattie`s latest pictures. But i ve heard she`s a drunkard and is very ugly. It`s good Eric left her, though many years ago. She deserves it. I am sure she never loved George, just took her chance like a lot of other women do. Very few women are capable of true love, though men are.
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Post by: aspinall_lover on June 21, 2008, 06:42:52 PM
I've got the Pattie Boyd book but haven't found the time to read it yet.  Maybe I'll get around to it this fall..............
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Post by: Sondra on June 21, 2008, 08:33:22 PM
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I havent seen Pattie`s latest pictures. But i ve heard she`s a drunkard and is very ugly. It`s good Eric left her, though many years ago. She deserves it. I am sure she never loved George, just took her chance like a lot of other women do. Very few women are capable of true love, though men are.

What?!?
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 21, 2008, 08:59:43 PM
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I havent seen Pattie`s latest pictures. But i ve heard she`s a drunkard and is very ugly. It`s good Eric left her, though many years ago. She deserves it. I am sure she never loved George, just took her chance like a lot of other women do. Very few women are capable of true love, though men are.

That last statement is a new thread in itself.  Pattie did appear to have hit the wall in a couple of photos of her in the '80s, but there are a few from the '90s in which she looks good (could be makeup).  Though I wouldn't say she's aging like Sophia Loren or Dolly Parton or anything.
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Post by: Sondra on June 21, 2008, 10:46:16 PM
Drugs are bad mmkay...  ;)

Bear in mind, she IS in her sixties.
(http://i.realone.com/assets/rt/ap/161f9bda-bd7a-4521-a8c5-175833020455.jpg)
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/03/jt_boyd_wideweb__470x328,0.jpg)
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_02/pboydMS1808_468x465.jpg)

The first picture makes me think of Heather for some reason.
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Post by: Andy Smith on June 21, 2008, 11:01:57 PM
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The first picture makes me think of Heather for some reason.

ooo, don't say that!  :P

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Post by: Geoff on June 22, 2008, 01:41:22 AM
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Can I coin the phrase "Beatle-morality" or is that already taken?

"Rock star" morality, perhaps?  ;)

Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: aspinall_lover on June 22, 2008, 01:58:05 AM
No................that's a person who smoked cigarettes "heavely" in their life time.  I quit smoking 19+years ago and I can tell the difference in my skin.  If I kept on smoking, I'd be looking like that.  This is what I look like now, at 43, with my hubby, Jeff, and our son, Greg.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/aspinall_2007/IMG_0039.jpg)
This was taken at Christmas, 2007, at the in-laws...........
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Sondra on June 22, 2008, 02:35:27 AM
63 and 43 are light years apart. You can't compare. And yes, she did some hard living. That it took a toll on her appearance is a given. Hence the South Park quote. But still...she's in her sixties.
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 22, 2008, 05:08:09 AM
Being in her 60s, she doesn't look bad at all!  And if she ever decided to have some work done.... who knows, maybe John Mayer would become a heroin addict for her.

And Jane, why did Pattie deserve to be left by Eric (I haven't read that chapter yet so I don't know that he was the one who left)?  Eric was frankly the world's worst husband -- openly cheating, a complete drunk for most of the time; obviously Pattie was an enabler in her marriages -- but how many women bounce from marrying a Beatle to God (Clapton)?  Sure she made mistakes.... but she tried to make the marriages work.  Why pile on the hatred?
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Post by: DarkSweetLady on June 22, 2008, 12:26:18 PM
I didn't like the book.

Before the hype about the book came out I never saw a recent picture of Pattie. I always thought she'd age decent, but I don't think she did.
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Post by: Bobber on June 22, 2008, 06:37:14 PM
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I didn't like the book.

Before the hype about the book came out I never saw a recent picture of Pattie. I always thought she'd age decent, but I don't think she did.

She looks better than my mother.
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Post by: Jane on June 22, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
First of all Pattie doesn`t look well: i can tell by her skin and by her neck that she drinks. And she is wearing a hat to cast a shadow on her face, so definitely she is old-looking. But it can be seen that she used to be beautiful cause despite all her face IS rather beautiful. Note the difference: she is beautiful but she doesn`t look well. Pattie is considered to have been the prettiest Beatle girl. George fell in love with her at first sight but i don`t think she provided him with all-round comfort a man like George( an introvert) needed. What i don`t like is her affair with Eric right behind George`s back in George`s own house, in their house, her making passes at Eric, who was staying in their house as a friend, as a guest. She was surrounded by 2 great wonderful men all through the day and all through the night, and she doubtless flirted with Eric, who certainly liked her, and who didn`t? But he was George`s friend and if she hadn`t shown any interest, i am sure, he would have remained just a friend. George put up with it for some time, cause he loved her, but when the situation became unbearable - imagine that! things came to a head! poor George! - he just collected all her things and asked her and her lover to leave. I can`t stand it any longer, he said. He was a man of gold heart. And for Pattie it was all the same: George, now Eric.
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Post by: Jane on June 22, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
No hatred at all, i pity her. Besides, i am sure she has smth to repent of, and she knows it but she will never say the word - it`s betrayal, acting behind the back.
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 22, 2008, 10:45:04 PM
Wow, Jane, you've obviously been reading a different book.  No one can claim to really know what was going on in their home besides George and Pattie, but according to Pattie's side of the story, she wasn't carrying on an affair behind George's back -- she cheated on him once with Eric in a weak moment during the decline of her marriage.  She wasn't making passes at Eric.  She found out about his interest from the passionate love letters he wrote her.  He broke down her resistance, then after their tryst, she ended things with him, and he went on a four-year heroin binge.  (The affair didn't take place in George's house either.)

George never 'asked her and her lover to leave.'  She left on her own in the mid-70s because their marriage had become loveless.  

George was not 'a man of gold heart.'  I'm a George fan too, but let's not get carried away with the hero worship.  He blatantly cheated on Pattie numorous times, sometimes moving girlfriends into their home!  He flooded the house with Hare Krishnas, made her feel like a stranger in her home, and became completely incommunicative.

According to Pattie's side of the story.

I think I'm going to have to read George's book now to get his.
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Post by: aspinall_lover on June 22, 2008, 10:50:17 PM
^^^^^^^That's what I have read, too, about the Pattie-George-Eric "triangle".  Eric persued Pattie relentlessly, wrote the most touching love letters, "My dearest "L"", from "E".  Eric called Pattie his "Layla"..........hence the famous song.  So I think I'm gonna have to start reading the book and let you all know what I think..............
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Post by: Sondra on June 23, 2008, 01:16:05 AM
Okay, now I'm confused. Didn't I read on this very forum an excerpt from Pattie's book saying that she, Eric, and George used to play hide and seek in George and Pattie's house and she and Eric would just hide somewhere and fool around? Sounds like cheating to me! In George's house. Sounds very mature as well.  ::) And then I am sure that I heard on the radio after some dj read her book or Eric's book or someone's book that Pattie and John had an affair! And that John was sexually obsessed with her. I remember the dj being shocked at how much interbreeding was going on with that band.   ;D
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 23, 2008, 02:37:20 AM
I'm about three quarters through the book (now it's the mid-'80s and Pattie and Eric are nearly finished) and I recall nothing from Pattie's book in which hide and seek games were played where Pattie and Eric fooled around.  I'm curious about that post, Sandra.  Perhaps you could link me to it (I'm assuming it's on another thread.)  It could be a different book, though.  (Maybe Clapton's?)

And there's nothing in Pattie's book about any affair with John.  That's the first I've heard of that.
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Post by: Sondra on June 23, 2008, 03:06:47 AM
Here's the link to the post:

http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/m-1112224769/s-28/highlight-hide+and+seek/#num28

I guess that's also where I read about Pattie and John. And apparently not only John was sexually obsessed with her but Mick Jagger was too! If this is all true. Who knows. If so, what the hell was it about that woman?? Was she really that hot? I mean, she was cute, but come on.
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 23, 2008, 06:44:50 AM
Just read the link.  It's so over the top with all the allegations that it appears that Pattie (if all of that stuff is true) STILL held back a ton of dirt from her book, even while everyone's suspecting her of spilling it all for big $$$.  In a way I give her credit for keeping stuff (whatever that stuff is) to herself.

And I'm wondering why Clapton wants to write a sanitized bio?  After all these years, Eric, just tell the whole f-ck-ng truth!  Who cares anymore?
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Post by: Sondra on June 23, 2008, 07:51:09 AM
You know, I've been thinking...as over the top those allegations are, I would bet my life that they aren't half as outrageous as what actually happened. I mean, that life style is not something any of us will ever be able to comprehend. So I would actually expect her to hold back because otherwise she just would not come off looking very good to the rest of us regular people.

Sometimes though, I think it's better. I mean, half the time this stuff just creeps me out. Like when Marianne Faithfull told of a time when she and Mick were having sex and Mick told her he wished he were bleeping Keith. I just do NOT need to know this stuff. Although that is kind of fascinating because I think he meant it in a different way. But who knows. Again, these people are in another reality. Sorry to digress...
 :)
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Post by: DarkSweetLady on June 23, 2008, 12:21:00 PM
Overall, I didn't like the book. I didn't even ask for it,I got itas a gift and decided to read it,  I thought, what the heck, right?

While reading it, mostly during the trouble time in the 70's, it almost seemed to me that it sounded like George was the only one doing something wrong. And whether George actually cheated or not, because who really knows now, no one can ask him, she never reallly said things she did wrong. And most likely or not when your in a stressful relationship like that one, with all those other men around, ya sure you stayed faithful. According to her book, it was all George's fault.
 
I don't see the point in writing a "tell all" auto-biography, then leave most of the topics nearly undisccused and vague. With a one side narrow view on all the topics that occur in the book.

As far as her looks, I'm not a mean person so I'm not going to makefun of the way she looks, but it isn't good. But she never was really pretty to me, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by: Jane on June 23, 2008, 08:11:11 PM
Well, George might have been unfaithful to her, i admit that. Being a rockstar, beset by girls on tours, being young...as John, Paul and Ringo did to their girls. It was such a life, smoking, drinking, fooling around. Remember, it was the time of sexual revolution, free love was proclaimed, love, peace, drugs...But he wasn`t going to leave her. Yes, he was obsessed with Krishnas and so on, he was such a man. You love him or leave him. She just didn`t love him, she loved herself and loved being the centre of men`s attention. I agree that she wasn`t that beautiful, but for some reason they, as you write, all wanted her, not Jane, who was maybe more beautiful. Because men always feel it when a woman wants it. And she provoked them. So! She didn`t love George. Now don`t ever expect her to tell the truth. Nevertheless we can admire her for her female charm and ability to conquer any man she wanted. Bravo!
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Post by: aspinall_lover on June 23, 2008, 11:09:18 PM
These bios by the stars are so "homogenized" it ain't funny!!!!  Come on!!!!  Over half the people during their "era" are dead, and the ones living, they're all in their 60's...........so "spill it" and tell all the dirty, "true" stories of the day and your life.  If I were in their shoes, I would have kept a diary of my day-to-day events and just take that and go from there in writing a book.  And it would probably be pretty "sorid"..............
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Post by: DarkSweetLady on June 24, 2008, 12:07:35 AM
I agree that it is highly possible that George was unfaithful to her. I also agree with you , Jane, that even though Jane Asher may have been prettier, some people just have something that drive men crazy.

I don't believe everything in her book is true. I don't really believe her at all.
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Post by: Jane on June 25, 2008, 06:48:17 PM
If their marriage didn`t work, it couldn`t have been only George`s fault as she writes. And she was such a poor abandoned suffering little girl! Every man wanted her, all of them. But George didn`t. He didn`t pay attention to her, he didn`t speak to her, he turned his back on her. What was wrong with him? Doesn`t it sound strange? All men were driven to her, wrote passionate letters to her, but not George. He was not attracted to her. No longer. Can`t you see that this is all lies. If she was so charming, he certainly was in love. She was doing wrong things and he withdrew within himself, found comfort in something else, being a philosophically-minded person, calm and not a cruel one, who ignored his wife. I read in a magazine that he just asked her to leave, cause he couldn`t stand it any longer. And that sounds true, just like George: no rows, no scandals or showdowns. Remember his quarrel with Paul or John at one session working at the last album. That is what George was like. His reserve was the consequence not the cause of her behaviour. Think about it.
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 25, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Jane, you seem to have a lot of anger towards Pattie.
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Post by: Jane on June 25, 2008, 08:45:58 PM
Sorry, if it seemed like that. I am trying to defend George, who didn`t say a single bad word about her. No anger.
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Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 26, 2008, 12:01:47 AM
I don't think Pattie said anything really bad about George either; she even admits that by the end of her marriage to Clapton, she realized that while Eric was her fun, passionate 'playmate,' George was her soul mate.  She described things that happened in her marriage, things that she was guilty of, things that George was guilty of. It wasn't really a hatchet piece on George.  Clapton comes off looking worse than George does.
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Post by: DarkSweetLady on June 26, 2008, 01:06:37 AM
I think Pattie was a little full of herself, all that so called attention gave her a big head!

I agree with you Jane, it isn't like George to have big, angry fights and showdowns. Like the Let It Be fight, when Paul is telling George he is playing the guitar part wrong ,what was George's response? A simple, I'll play what you want me to play or I won't play at all. Hardly seems like the type of person who'd have big fights with his wife.

As far as her admitting that George was her "soul mate" is a piece of crap. George seemed far more happier married to Olivia, then married to Pattie, and I think if he had to choose one as a soul mate it would be Liv.
I think she just said that because she bowed out of their marriage, and now where is she at?

I agree with you Jane that George probably didn't say a bad word to her, or about her.
But it is possible for men to resist her or fall out of love with her, as George has proved. Maybe it was just a little too hard for her to wrap her head around, so she left because she wasn't the center of attention in their home anymroe.
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Post by: harihead on June 26, 2008, 02:11:13 AM
Great discussion! Sorry to come in so late.

I needed some time to process this book after I read it, because I was very confused. As DSL said above, Pattie doesn't really describe anything-- not anything important. Being a reading fanatic, I've done a lot of research, and Pattie's book, as far as George is concerned, did not cover (if you can  call her shallow recitation of events "covering" something) one single event that wasn't already published. Maureen's affair? It's in that hideous "The Love You Make" book by Peter Brown. The Tahiti vacation? All covered by their skipper or cook. Etc. etc. In fact, so many of Pattie's stories so closely resemble their printed precursors, it's as if she looked over her file of press clippings and wrote her life story based on that, not her actual memories.

I could blame drugs on this total failure of memory, but I have a theory I prefer. Pattie is still friends with many of the rock people in her book. I can imagine her saying to them, "I'm not really writing a tell-all. I'm just collecting already published facts about my life and republishing them so I can get some money from it. I won't betray any secrets." So she writes a book trying to keep faith with her buddies, so she can pretend she adhered to her reputation as the Beatle wife who never "told" (although Jane Asher has that spot sewn up nicely-- and she's a class act to boot). By trying to keep faith with her "in" crowd, Pattie wrote this shallow, unsatisfying, and lopsided story that is bereft of all heart. The only parts that sound genuine are the parts of her childhood pre-George, and how she belatedly realized at age 50 that life wasn't one huge party. Neither of these are particularly gripping subjects. She attempted to write a book that revealed nothing-- no wonder we're all puzzled or bothered by it.

She also doesn't tell the full story. She says how she "knew" that George was cheating with Krissie Wood under her own roof-- ah, the betrayal! The heartbreak! She doesn't tell us why she thinks this, only that she "knows". Ronnie Wood was not so cagey in his autobiography. He wrote that he and George decided to swap wives for the evening. Everyone was doing it, so that's what they decided to do. Ronnie writes it like a dare. There they are in the hall, hands on doorknobs of the rooms containing the other man's wife. "I'll see you in court," says George, and goes in. So how Pattie "knew" that George was cheating on her was because she spent the night with Ronnie. Notice, she did not go into the other room to confront George about his behavior. She slept with Ronnie-- a tiny detail she omits in her own retelling.  

For my part, I think I'm closest to Jane in my thinking. Pattie was and is charming-- some people have posted clips of her recently at book signings and talks, and she's witty and sweet. There's a charisma there. Personally I think she used it to draw in George because he could boost her career-- something she acted shocked to discover. "I never asked for this!" Please. I think she was fond of him in her way, but she was always looking out for #1. She didn't leave him until it was obvious that Eric would take her. Why get rid of your meal ticket until you have a new one? 1974 was a sh*t year for George. His Bangladesh buzz had dissipated and he put out the 2 weakest albums of his career. Eric's star was riding high. It was time to switch teams to the winning horse-- someone who, although an alcoholic, was more popular at the time and would fulfill her desire to be "seen". He also knew how to "party"-- this being high on Pattie's list until her 50th year, as she stated herself. Boring old George was just trying to pull his life together. Who wants to stick around for that?

Of course I don't really know Pattie, and her ridiculously inadequate biography didn't help me to know her any better. Based on what crumbs she does throw me, and putting it together with additional articles and biographies published at the time, I think she was basically a self-centered person who was clever enough to use her looks to her material advantage. I do not believe George was her soulmate, although I can see how she might look fondly back on that period of her life. Clearly she was unhappy with grown-up non-party George. George had a knack of staying friends with most people, and I believe they did become friendly again after the pain of divorce had cooled. But Liv wins the George soulmate award hands-down in my book. I also like that George fell in love with her over the phone. They had long conversations before they ever met. Perhaps after his bitter experience with Pattie-- that a pretty girl might turn out to be someone that, for whatever reason, you can't make it work with-- he opted for a woman who understood him first. It was just his good luck that she turned out to be so pretty.  

Sorry for the long post. I never did follow up on this, and I meant to. Debate is welcome! Cheers.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: BlueMeanie on June 26, 2008, 03:41:28 AM
Quote from: 1393
If their marriage didn`t work, it couldn`t have been only George`s fault as she writes. And she was such a poor abandoned suffering little girl! Every man wanted her, all of them. But George didn`t. He didn`t pay attention to her, he didn`t speak to her, he turned his back on her. What was wrong with him? Doesn`t it sound strange? All men were driven to her, wrote passionate letters to her, but not George. He was not attracted to her. No longer. Can`t you see that this is all lies. If she was so charming, he certainly was in love. She was doing wrong things and he withdrew within himself, found comfort in something else, being a philosophically-minded person, calm and not a cruel one, who ignored his wife. I read in a magazine that he just asked her to leave, cause he couldn`t stand it any longer. And that sounds true, just like George: no rows, no scandals or showdowns. Remember his quarrel with Paul or John at one session working at the last album. That is what George was like. His reserve was the consequence not the cause of her behaviour. Think about it.

Jane, you really do seem to be privvy to knowledge that the rest of us aren't. Just because you put George on a pedestal doesn't mean that he couldn't be the bad boy here. I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened, and frankly I don't care. But your view that it couldn't be George's fault, just because it's George, is the stuff of a 13 year old in love with their idol.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Kevin on June 26, 2008, 08:15:54 AM
Quote from: 668
I agree with you Jane, it isn't like George to have big, angry fights and showdowns. Like the Let It Be fight, when Paul is telling George he is playing the guitar part wrong ,what was George's response? A simple, I'll play what you want me to play or I won't play at all. Hardly seems like the type of person who'd have big fights with his wife.
 

i think to assume to be able to judge a mans character or behaviour in extreme circumstances based on a segment of a movie that he has allowed you to see is a bit unwise.
This to me is like the McCartney-Mills thing. I'm not in either case saying that I automatically believe the women's stories, but neither am I prepared to call them liars just because I own a few records made by the men involved. The truth, as normal, probably lays somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on June 26, 2008, 08:27:17 PM
You are all right in your own Write. The fact is that George was a much deeper person than Pattie. I think he understood and knew her well, and maybe saw that she was no longer pleased with her life. As harihead writes Eric`s career was high and George`s hit the bottom, why not take the chance, while it is here? Besides they turned out to be different people, nothing to share. While the career was ok, Pattie pretended to love George, when it was not she suddenly grew lonely. The climate at home depends on the woman but she didn`t try to cheer him up or to stand by him. She decided to leave him, I am sure that was a shock to George. Love at first sight NEVER dies! But being a reasonable person he accepted the truth that she NEVER loved him. So she went away to party, to celebrate, to go on a spree with Eric.   BLUEMEANIE, i am not 13 years old, but i wonder how you who is not 13 years old, as you hint, let her pull your leg! maybe you are in love with your idol? I don`t put George on a pedestal ( and why don`t I?) and now will try to imagine that George was indifferent, sullen guy who didn`t care about his wife. So he was the bad boy there. I agree with you.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on June 26, 2008, 11:53:01 PM
I understand what you mean ,Kevin, that is a bad assumption to make of George based on one movie. What I meant to say is, I think if George was really a "fighter" like Pattie portrayed him, what better person to get under your skin and make you blow up than Paul McCartney at the end of the Beatles rope when everyone seemed agitated.

It's fine that you came in late HariHead, you brought up some very good points.

I agree with you when you said that Pattie viewed George almost as someone just to help her career. Because she did only go with Eric when she was certainly sure that George was more interested in his spiritual journey and gardening than putting out #1 hits and partying.
And she leaves things so vague, I didn't really get any more information than I already knew.

Not that I don't believe that George didn't do things that might have pushed Pattie a little bit easier to leave, but I highly doubt it was the way she portrayed. Something is a little wrong.

And like I said before I think she just released the book and portrayed herself in a decent way and as George's soulmate( after his death) was just a way to get a little money in her pocket.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on June 27, 2008, 07:40:18 PM
George was really a decent fellow, maybe the most decent of all.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Bobber on June 27, 2008, 07:49:26 PM
Wake up. Where two are divorcing, two have been wrong. George cheated on Patti, he was no saint.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on June 27, 2008, 08:33:57 PM
When two are divorcing two are not always wrong. But I agree with you Bobber, in this case, George was not a saint, he did cheat on Pattie, and she cheated on him.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Bobber on June 28, 2008, 08:37:03 AM
Quote from: 668
When two are divorcing two are not always wrong.

In one way or another, there are. But maybe we're getting off topic.  :)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on June 28, 2008, 01:08:06 PM
Yes, :). Where were we, ah, Pattie Boyd's book. There we go back on topic ;)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: HeatherBoo on June 29, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
Neither were saints (George nor Patti).  They married so young.  As time goes on people change (maybe one grows up and the other doesn't) and people just are not compatibile anymore.  They both seem to have not taken their marriage that seriously.  And I am sure it is so much harder to have a marriage in the spotlight in front of the world.  
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on June 29, 2008, 07:05:47 PM
I think it is hard to have the marriage going when you are in showbusiness or rock stars or actors or other celebrities. Paul was perfect in this respect. And he married young, not much later than George. ( or before him? )
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: HeatherBoo on June 29, 2008, 07:30:05 PM
I think Paul was the last to get married.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: pc31 on June 29, 2008, 07:36:53 PM
paul married last...john ,ringo,george,paul......pete?never......
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: HeatherBoo on June 29, 2008, 08:07:19 PM
I didn't know Pete never got married! Then again I don't know squat about Pete other than the obvious association with The Beatles.  Sorry I know that is getting off topic....  

I still have to read the book.  I have just haven't read it yet.  I am about half-way through the Clapton book now.  And have gotten to  the point were Pattie and George are separted and she is with Eric.  And I must say that Eric does not really talk bad about Pattie.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on June 29, 2008, 08:21:05 PM
Certainly, Eric doesn`t talk badly about Pattie! It`s only when one party is dead that they start talking not so well, to put it mildly. And George is not with us, so...
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: HeatherBoo on June 29, 2008, 08:32:17 PM
In Eric's defense, he doesn't talk bad about George either.  He spoke kindly of them both actually.

After I read Pattie's book I will report back with my thoughts on her version...
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 29, 2008, 11:43:07 PM
Pete Best was actually engaged to Maureen.... until she met Ringo.

And Pattie does not speak badly of George in her book.  It's obvious that she still feels very loving towards him, and she expressed some regret over the end of their marriage.  But it would be absurd for her to not mention things like George's adultery, or the Hare Krishna thing, things which contributed to their divorce.  What kind of book would it be if she glossed over all that stuff?

And why is this thread in the George forum anyway?  The thread about Cynthia's autobiography is in the book forum, where this one should be.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Bobber on June 30, 2008, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: 1333
And why is this thread in the George forum anyway?  The thread about Cynthia's autobiography is in the book forum, where this one should be.

As long as you know where to find it...
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on June 30, 2008, 06:28:17 PM
Quote from: 668
Overall, I didn't like the book. I didn't even ask for it,I got itas a gift and decided to read it,  I thought, what the heck, right?

While reading it, mostly during the trouble time in the 70's, it almost seemed to me that it sounded like George was the only one doing something wrong. And whether George actually cheated or not, because who really knows now, no one can ask him, she never reallly said things she did wrong. And most likely or not when your in a stressful relationship like that one, with all those other men around, ya sure you stayed faithful. According to her book, it was all George's fault.
 
I don't see the point in writing a "tell all" auto-biography, then leave most of the topics nearly undisccused and vague. With a one side narrow view on all the topics that occur in the book.

So does Pattie put the blame on George or not? Why do the others write that Pattie speaks nicely about him?  

Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on June 30, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
Sorry, it was badly qouted. The qoute was from DarkSweetLady. Sorry.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on June 30, 2008, 10:32:50 PM
Whoever is to blame for their marriage not working, there's absolutely no question that George had numorous affairs -- on tour, swapping wives with Ron Wood -- Neil Aspinall was quoted as saying that George proposed a wife-swap with him, but Neil declined the offer.  This idea that "no one knows if George actually cheated" is hogwash.  Pattie knows, as do many others.  The cheating doesn't shrink George's reputation in my eyes.  It doesn't make him a bad person or make his songs sound any different.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on July 01, 2008, 07:07:10 PM
Mr.Mustard, thank you for your well-balanced, objective judgement. I believe you are right. And, you know, i like the expression: shrink one`s reputation- very much...!
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 01, 2008, 11:02:38 PM
Pete Best was engaged with Maureen? Is that a joke?

George's cheating doesn't shrink my opinion of him either. I think if he's cheating on his model wife, there had to be something wrong in their relationship.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on July 01, 2008, 11:17:35 PM
A man will cheat on a woman regardless of whether she is a model or not.  Looks really have nothing to do with it.  I remember in the early '90s when Billy Joel and Christie Brinkley were divorcing after nearly a decade of marriage.  A friend of mine (male) expressed disbelief that Billy Joel could possibly let super-model Christie get away.  I said, "He's seen her every day for the last 10 years -- he's bored."  (That's not to infer that Billy was cheating on her; I don't recall the reason for their split.)

There's a saying that goes, "A man is only as faithful as his options."
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 02, 2008, 01:08:06 AM
I know what you mean. If you love someone you won't cheat, simple as that. I don't believe in second chances on some things.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Sondra on July 02, 2008, 04:55:07 AM
People of low character cheat. Look, if you're bored, speak up! It's not brain surgery. You choose to be deceptive. It's a choice. No excuses. If you want an open relationship then say so from the beginning. Otherwise, don't go along with the pretense that you are in a committed, exclusive relationship. And if it's an "accident" then come clean right away. Don't insult the other person by dragging it out and making them feel like a fool when they finally find out. I think this is called having respect for other human beings and not being selfish. A hard thing for most people though. We're all a bit selfish aren't we?
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on July 02, 2008, 07:33:42 AM
According to the Pattie bio, George was pretty open about his cheating -- especially when he moved girlfriends into the house to her dismay.  He also supposedly equated himself to Hindu gods who had many wives -- he apparently had no moral issues or sensitivity towards Pattie's feelings over these things.  I don't know if his openness exempts him, though.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Sondra on July 02, 2008, 09:31:29 AM
Quote from: 1333
According to the Pattie bio, George was pretty open about his cheating -- especially when he moved girlfriends into the house to her dismay.  He also supposedly equated himself to Hindu gods who had many wives -- he apparently had no moral issues or sensitivity towards Pattie's feelings over these things.  I don't know if his openness exempts him, though.

Well, if he went into the marriage promising to be faithful and then started in with all this stuff, no, I don't think it exempts him! But then, she knew and put up with it for a long time so for her to complain about it after the fact is sort of sleazy too.

That's funny about George and the Hindu god thing. I never knew that!! What was he smoking that day!?! Crazy Beatle.   ;)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: An Apple Beatle on July 02, 2008, 10:04:26 AM
Is it in Buddhism where all your sins of yesterday are a former you and not actually you today? heheh

Seems George my have found the perfect excuse in his faith to swing. I blame the Maharashi! lol
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on July 02, 2008, 05:44:59 PM
And a man`s options depend on whether he - or she as well, i believe - loves the partner or not. So it all boils down to love.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 02, 2008, 09:29:41 PM
Buddhism is a different religion than Hinduism, George was Hindu.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on July 03, 2008, 12:47:06 AM
Not to oversimplify both religions, but Hinduism and Buddhism have far more similarities than differences.  The main difference I can think of is the pantheism (belief in numerous gods) in Hinduism, while Buddhism really has no personal creator -- Buddha himself was a human who attained total enlightenment.  Aside from that, both religions are based around karma (I don't know if the Hindus call it 'karma,' per se, but it's there) and reincarnation.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 03, 2008, 02:11:14 PM
I know that Buddhism and Hinduism are similar religiongs, but they are not the same. That is all I was saying. Buddha is actually a Hindu god meaning "the enlightened one". I was just saying that George was more Hindu.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: BlueMeanie on July 03, 2008, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: 668
I know that Buddhism and Hinduism are similar religiongs, but they are not the same. That is all I was saying. Buddha is actually a Hindu god meaning "the enlightened one". I was just saying that George was more Hindu.

The way I see it, George took all the bits he liked from many religions and put them together to make something that worked for him.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 03, 2008, 05:08:20 PM
That's why he always talked about Krishna, Shiva and many other Hindu gods and used Hindu chants. Also the OM symbol was everywhere around him.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on July 04, 2008, 05:46:41 AM
Quote from: 668
I know that Buddhism and Hinduism are similar religiongs, but they are not the same. That is all I was saying. Buddha is actually a Hindu god meaning "the enlightened one". I was just saying that George was more Hindu.

But (and again, I'm not trying to quote the Hindu religion like I'm some kind of expert in it), I don't think Buddha is a god in Hinduism.

Here's my take on Hindu vs Buddha:  Hinduism is more primitive.  With the beliefs in numeorous gods, worshipping cows, the caste system;  Buddhism is more enlightened than Hinduism.


And that is JUST ONE VIEW.  If there's a Hindu out there to enlightenen me about my viewpoint, then I welcome it.  But that's how I currently see that religion.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 05, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
What I meant a couple posts back.

Buddha with two "D" is Buddha as in 'the enlightened one' (my mistake before). He is the one associated with the Buddhist religion that originated in India around the life of a man named Siddhartha Gautama.

Budha with one "D" is the Hindu God. Budha in the Hindu religion is the God of merchandise and is to protect merchants.

Budha or Buddha is depicted in many different ways, the most traditional with the Hindus is this depiction:
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn13/StewardMann/BuddhaBuddy.jpg)

I hoped that helped a little.
I could post a more vivid depiction of the hindu God Budha as soon as I find my book of Hindu deities, which I seemed to miss place.  :P
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mr. Mustard on July 06, 2008, 04:09:49 AM
So the thing about rubbing the Budha/Buddha's belly for luck -- is that more of a Hindu superstition?

And I may have misspoke when I said I didn't think Buddha (Siddhartha) was a god in Hinduism.  I'm really not sure;  he may very well be, in the same way that Jesus is an exalted prophet in Islam (just not the MOST exalted profit).

And does anyone know the literal translation of "Hare Krishna?"  Is that another name for the Hindu God?
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Mairi on July 06, 2008, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: 216
People of low character cheat. Look, if you're bored, speak up! It's not brain surgery. You choose to be deceptive. It's a choice. No excuses. If you want an open relationship then say so from the beginning. Otherwise, don't go along with the pretense that you are in a committed, exclusive relationship. And if it's an "accident" then come clean right away. Don't insult the other person by dragging it out and making them feel like a fool when they finally find out. I think this is called having respect for other human beings and not being selfish. A hard thing for most people though. We're all a bit selfish aren't we?

That's true, Sondra. I also think the cheating had a lot to do with the Godlike status that the Beatles had in those days. Everyone was telling George how wonderful he was and that he could do no wrong. Mix that in with the "free love" sh*t that was going on in those days and you have a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: DarkSweetLady on July 06, 2008, 03:59:32 PM
I also agree with you Sandra and Mairi.

That's ok Mr.Mustard I was confused a little before, but I hope I straightened it out a little bit.

I think to answer you other question Mr.Mustard, when you hear the Hare Krishna Mantra, all 'hare' means is to take away, or to end. So when one chants Hare Krishna their asking the God Krishna to take away their sorrows. The God Rama is also mentioned in the chat, but like Krishna it is just another incarnation of the God Head Vishnu.

I found a quote from George Harrison:
"A mantra is mystical energy encased in a sound structure and each mantra contains within its vibrations a certain power. But of all mantras, the maha-mantra (the Hare Krishna mantra) has been prescribed as the easiest and surest way for attaining God Realization in this present age."
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Andy Smith on July 08, 2008, 01:40:42 AM
Buddishm and Hidduism have similair in beliefs, i'm not sure
on Hidduism. but my religion is buddishm, been a strict buddist
for 4 years now!  :)
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: HeatherBoo on July 09, 2008, 07:22:26 PM
I don't really know squat about these religions but I do know different types of Buddhists.  My boyfriends family is from Laos and they are Buddhist and I have a friend from India who is also a Buddhist and what they believe in is different.  So I guess it's possible that there are even different types of Buddhist like there are different types of Christians.

Someone else said this earlier in the thread, it seems like George picked and choose what he liked and made it his own.  And I don't think theres really anything wrong with that.  I mean,  I believe in God but not in the way that the bible wants me to.  That is my decision and in the end I will have to deal with whatever (if anything) happens.  
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: larainefan on October 29, 2009, 01:18:12 AM
Hope it's okay to resurrect an older topic.  I read this book.  Was confused when Pattie says George hardly ate, was almost never hungry.  In all the old clips of the Beatles, he is the one who was constantly eating.  Was he just doing so much cocaine at this point in his life that it destroyed his appetite?

Also, if George had already moved on from the relationship with Pattie, and was okay with her going off to Eric, what was the point of the guitar duel?
Title: Pattie Boyds tell all book coming in August
Post by: D.diews on December 04, 2009, 01:57:35 PM
See this thread is funny because Mr. Garton is acknowledging exactly what he is, and seems to have no problem with it. He writes trash novels that exist to make money.

So was Kafka not a writer, because he was never published in his lifetime?
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: breedofrandy on December 04, 2009, 04:00:30 PM
Hope it's okay to resurrect an older topic.  I read this book.  Was confused when Pattie says George hardly ate, was almost never hungry.  In all the old clips of the Beatles, he is the one who was constantly eating.  Was he just doing so much cocaine at this point in his life that it destroyed his appetite?

Also, if George had already moved on from the relationship with Pattie, and was okay with her going off to Eric, what was the point of the guitar duel?

I think maybe he really wasn't okay with it, but he didn't want to really show that he cared. I don't know, it did seem a little weird to me as well. But then the fact that Pattie told him she was leaving and then he basically begged her not to leave says a lot.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on December 04, 2009, 09:50:22 PM
I think maybe he really wasn't okay with it, but he didn't want to really show that he cared. I don't know, it did seem a little weird to me as well. But then the fact that Pattie told him she was leaving and then he basically begged her not to leave says a lot.

I agree with you, Randy! This is strange. Maybe it means that George was a strong person and didn`t want to show he was hurt?
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: breedofrandy on December 04, 2009, 10:59:07 PM
I agree with you, Randy! This is strange. Maybe it means that George was a strong person and didn`t want to show he was hurt?

Yeah Jane, he probably was a strong willed person. He stuck to what he believed in. But maybe he made the wrong choice that time? I believe he was most likely a person who would bottle up all of their emotions and not show them to anyone. He seemed to put a wall up.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on December 08, 2009, 10:03:11 PM
Yeah Jane, he probably was a strong willed person. He stuck to what he believed in. But maybe he made the wrong choice that time? I believe he was most likely a person who would bottle up all of their emotions and not show them to anyone. He seemed to put a wall up.

Very good observation! He certainly was an introvert, calm and reserved. And don`t forget he was a QUIET Beatle!
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: larainefan on December 08, 2009, 10:10:39 PM
Not only that, but there's that song Cockamamie Business, which seems fairly autobiographical.  One verse is:

Got my face on Ed Sullivan---broke my heart on Soul Train
Introduced to Bad Company---lost cells down at the Brain Drain
And before I could mend---lost the missus, missed the girlfriend
In this Cockamamie Business

Seems he was hoping he could have mended his ways before he lost the missus.  Who is mentioned in the "missed the girlfriend" reference?  But didn't a poster pages back say when George did try to straighten his life out, Pattie found that boring, she still wanted to go out and have a good time?  It's been awhile since I've read this whole thread, but I think that was mentioned.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: breedofrandy on December 08, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Very good observation! He certainly was an introvert, calm and reserved. And don`t forget he was a QUIET Beatle!

yeah of course.  ;) I don't know, it's hard to understand things like this when you weren't there. yah know?


Not only that, but there's that song Cockamamie Business, which seems fairly autobiographical.  One verse is:

Got my face on Ed Sullivan---broke my heart on Soul Train
Introduced to Bad Company---lost cells down at the Brain Drain
And before I could mend---lost the missus, missed the girlfriend
In this Cockamamie Business

Seems he was hoping he could have mended his ways before he lost the missus.  Who is mentioned in the "missed the girlfriend" reference?  But didn't a poster pages back say when George did try to straighten his life out, Pattie found that boring, she still wanted to go out and have a good time?  It's been awhile since I've read this whole thread, but I think that was mentioned.

I've never heard that song before. I must go and listen to it. I'm not sure who the girlfriend he was talking about? I would have to look into it more.
I didn't read that, I'm not sure. But in Pattie's book I never read anything about him trying to change. She said he didn't change, that's why she decided to finally leave, though it was extremely hard for her to do. 
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: Jane on December 09, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
yeah of course.  ;) I don't know, it's hard to understand things like this when you weren't there. yah know?


I've never heard that song before. I must go and listen to it. I'm not sure who the girlfriend he was talking about? I would have to look into it more.
I didn't read that, I'm not sure. But in Pattie's book I never read anything about him trying to change. She said he didn't change, that's why she decided to finally leave, though it was extremely hard for her to do. 


Dear Randy! I like Pattie very much, she is a living legend to me. But I don`t think we should believe everything she writes in her book. Certainly she would whitewash herself to appear innocent and trying to mend the relationship as hard as she could. I can`t believe her fully. I think George was trying to arouse her jealousy, to stop her from leaving him. But she was making passes at Eric behind George`s back. She may have been bored or wanting to lead a different kind of life, or falling in love with Eric. But all the same it was betrayal on her part. That`s my opinion. Nobody knows for sure, we can only speculate and decide whether we believe Pattie`s words or not. I don`t fully believe her unfortunately.
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: cubanheel on December 12, 2009, 10:34:28 PM
She's also writing about a time a long, long time ago.  Memories shift and your older self sometimes unconsciously puts a different spin on things.  I don't think I could HONESTLY write about my inmost thoughts from that lomg ago with any accuracy.  Oh and I was only a toddler when that went on....!
Title: Re: Pattie Boyd's tell-all book coming in August
Post by: larainefan on January 02, 2010, 04:18:03 PM
Here's another take on the whole George/Pattie thing, from Tony Bramwell and his book Magical Mystery Tours, My Life with the Beatles:

"He (George) became very private...unlike Pattie who wanted to have fun---lots of it.  It was unfortunate that she was a flirt.  I'd often be at a club and there she would be, surrounded by any number of the dozen virile young rock and rollers...I never asked her where George was, because we all knew that he was at home...But she was never mean...or spiteful.  She was just so young and not ready to settle down in suburbia.

"Sometimes, when we were in the studio, George didn't seem to care who heard him anguishing, tearfully begging her to come home.  It was embarrassing having to listen to this.  And it was even more embarrassing for me to see George, my old Liverpool mate who'd always had all the girls looking at him...since he'd been about twelve, on the end of the telephone, acting like a lovesick calf...as he pleaded with Pattie on the bar phone at whatever club she happened to be...She was his first big love and he couldn't stand the pain.  In the end, being excessively worshipped, and being the worshipper, were too much for both of them---she wasn't for him.  She ran off with Eric Clapton."