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Title: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: on September 06, 2005, 09:08:05 PM
hey, i noticed that the 4th 9/11 anniversary is coming up soon(only seems like yesterday), and i wondered it anyone was like doing anything to commereate the lives that were lost in the tragedy?theres also been quite a few programs on it around where i live, dont know about you?

so take some time to remember the dead from this terrible tragedy when two planes struck the twin towers on sep 11 2001(by the way ive been to where they were, its horrible)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: The End on September 06, 2005, 10:26:53 PM
9-11 was truly a terrible tragedy but I think the eyes of the World and America are all on the disaster in New Orleans at the moment. I don't think that day will pass without event though.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 11, 2009, 02:39:49 AM
Remembering 9/11......

911 9/11 Limited Budweiser Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yfivS8SWs&feature=rec-HM-r2#normal)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 11, 2009, 02:53:31 AM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1326/1362924837_ca33670e55_b.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Euan Buchan on September 11, 2009, 09:57:04 AM
([url]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1326/1362924837_ca33670e55_b.jpg[/url])


Lovely photo
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Penny Lane on September 11, 2009, 11:53:07 AM
:( :( :(
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: breedofrandy on September 11, 2009, 05:08:55 PM
I thought it was 8 years ago.

Anyways yes it is very sad. I feel sad for all the people that lost family members.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Wonderland on September 11, 2009, 06:26:02 PM
I think it's very sad, and I cannot emphasise enough how sad I feel for all the victims and their families.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Mairi on September 11, 2009, 07:06:43 PM
It's hard to believe it's been 8 years already.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: DaveRam on September 11, 2009, 07:37:58 PM
Does'nt seem like 8 years ago .
And still no sign of peace , Muslims are clashing with police and anti-Islam protesters in London tonight .
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on September 11, 2009, 08:20:12 PM
I was in 8th grade just walking into my 2nd period history class when we found out.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: The Artful Dodger on September 11, 2009, 09:48:01 PM
I would like to be a pedant and point out that September the 11th was NOT tragic, unless you believe America brought it on themself.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 12, 2009, 04:37:19 AM
There were 9,452 threads on this Forum and you chose to desecrate this one.  Perhaps if you had seen the hundreds of people who chose to jump to their death rather than suffer death by fire, or the thousands of body parts scattered over lower Manhattan amongst the rubble or the severely injured innocents, young and old, some of whom I treated, you would have refrained from making such a remark.  Or perhaps you would have done so anyway.

I'll agree that you're a "pedant," but only in that word's more common negative connotation.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: BlueMeanie on September 12, 2009, 05:43:54 AM
I would like to be a pedant and point out that September the 11th was NOT tragic, unless you believe America brought it on themself.

How can it not be seen as tragic? All war and violence is tragic. Those that died on September 11th did nothing to deserve their fate, they merely turned up for work to do their job, or serve their country. Is it not tragic that hundreds of children are now growing up without a mother or father? Innocent families were ripped apart, survivors are mentally scarred for life. What's NOT tragic?

War and famine are tragic, but seem to be unavoidable in our world. Acts of terrorism are cowardly and only serve to kill the innocent. They are avoidable. THAT'S tragic.

Of course, comments such as yours can also be seen as tragic in that they can serve to get you banned if your not careful. Open discussion is encouraged here, but such obvious provocation is not. If your actual opinion is that it was not tragic then I suggest you find yourself another forum that better serves your beliefs.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: DaveRam on September 12, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
I think it's all becoming tragic why can't these people in power sit down and talk ? and sort this killing out on both sides ?
The West and Islam need to build bridges not distroy them , it's all begining to worry me , and it's always the inocennt who get caught in the crossfire .
Religion is the real problem as far as i can see , it's just an excuse to kill ?
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Sondra on September 12, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
If it wasn't religion it would be something else. You really think the obliteration of religion would solve man's need for violence and power??
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Mairi on September 13, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
sure, religion is an excuse to kill. But if we didn't have religion, humanity would find another excuse.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: DaveRam on September 13, 2009, 06:39:59 PM
If it wasn't religion it would be something else. You really think the obliteration of religion would solve man's need for violence and power??


True Sondra if it was'nt religion it would be something else , but i'm getting sick of people of all faiths praising god in one breath then going out and killing in the next breath .
All religion should be practiced behind closed doors by consenting adults  ;)
I just want it off the news , there are far more worrying things we need to be concerned with Climate Change for one ?
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Badgirl66 on September 10, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2649/unbenanntbzv.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/unbenanntbzv.jpg/)

For all the Victims in New York,Washington and Pennsylvania

We lost eleven Peoples from Germany on this Day.


(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3371/257711897nineeleven475p.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/508/257711897nineeleven475p.jpg/)

Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 10, 2011, 10:15:52 PM
(http://nicosteyn.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/world_trade_center.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 10, 2011, 11:15:54 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vMRl1Qa6oTY/TIvILESm3kI/AAAAAAAAB1g/TKL-5_CnxxM/s1600/Firemen+Raise+Flag.jpg)

September 11, 2001
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 10, 2011, 11:17:07 PM
(http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2011-08/274246800-16061628.jpg)

August 2011
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 10, 2011, 11:17:34 PM
(http://www.topboxdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/99-Church-Street-Tower-design-Exterior-.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 10, 2011, 11:46:14 PM
Thank You Your Majesty

On September 12, 2001, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II ordered her personal guard at Buckingham Palace (The Coldstream Guards) to play The Star Spangled Banner during the changing of the guard.

The American flag was carried that morning instead of the Union Jack.


Coldstream Guards play The Star Spangled Banner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQOQWAKnB1Q#)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Badgirl66 on September 11, 2011, 07:55:17 AM
Here

King Kong (1976) Alternate Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUjldHxiXo#)

do you know that King Kong  stand in 1976 on the Roof of the WCT
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: KelMar on September 11, 2011, 07:07:13 PM
Though the cities start to crumble, and the towers fall around us, the sun is slowly fading and it's colder than the sea. It is written from the desert, to the mountains they shall lead us. By the hand and by the heart, they will comfort you and me. In their innocence and trusting they will teach us to be free.

John Denver Rhymes and Reasons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPpRyjTP0a0#)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Badgirl66 on September 11, 2011, 09:03:41 PM
World Trade Center // 11. September 2001 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E35W68DTbrU#)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: nimrod on September 11, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
Our thoughts are with our American cousins on this sad sad day.... ;sorry
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 12, 2013, 04:55:11 AM
(http://media.nj.com/hudson_voices_impact/photo/lights2jpg-4ad3844a597e982c.jpg)


9/11/13
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 12, 2013, 06:23:17 PM


What a beautiful photo, Barry.

Today is the 12th, but the weather here in ND is the same as it was on 9/11 in Fredericksburg, Virginia (where I was living then): Clear blue skies and beautiful temperatures (mid-70s). I will never forget stepping out to the front stoop that day and trying to wrap my mind around the fact that such horror was happening on day with such lovely, tranquil weather. My ex-husband (we were still married then) was in DC that day but, thank God, got home safely. So many others did not.  :'(
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 12, 2013, 09:16:50 PM


This made me get choked up all over again:

http://now.msn.com/budweiser-9-11-super-bowl-memorial-ad-goes-viral (http://now.msn.com/budweiser-9-11-super-bowl-memorial-ad-goes-viral)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: KelMar on September 12, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
February 15th, 2016

Footprint of one of the Twin Towers at the National September 11 Memorial
(http://i64.tinypic.com/260ekix.jpg)

Just a few of the nearly 3,000 names at the Memorial
(http://i68.tinypic.com/1zxuu4o.jpg)

One World Trade Center
(http://i68.tinypic.com/bi3z4g.jpg)

View of the Brooklyn Bridge from the One World Observatory at One World Trade Center
(http://i63.tinypic.com/26452so.jpg)

I also toured the museum and I can't even explain what that felt like. It was very difficult to view many of the artifacts there but my connection with the souls we lost that day became even stronger.



Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 12, 2016, 12:52:05 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/September_11th_Tribute_in_Light_from_Bayonne%2C_New_Jersey.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 11, 2021, 04:23:56 PM

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/397/407/d61.jpg)

We were living in the DC suburbs that day. My last message from my then-husband, just after he told me that he could see the Pentagon burning, was that someone was running through the corridors of the USDA building shouting "Get out!" At home, our land line was down, no cell signal could be had, the Internet was completely frozen, and our cable was being installed. There were crazy rumors—that didn't seem that crazy on that day—going around: The National Mall is on fire! Car bomb exploded outside the State Department! Another plane is headed toward the Capitol! (There was a lot of confusion about Flight 93.) 

I was very concerned too, about my former coworkers; the publisher where I worked is located literally a stone's throw from the Capitol. I shudder to think what would have happened to them had Flight 93's target been reached and that target was indeed the Capitol (as opposed to the White House). So for that reason I will always be grateful to the Flight 93 passengers' bravery and heroism.

It was a nerve-wracking, stomach-churning morning. My ex did end up getting home safely, but so many people did not return home that day, including several from our immediate locale.  :'(

Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 11, 2021, 06:42:02 PM
How far is the Dakota from there?  I am asking because I'm wondering how close John Lennon would have been to this event if he had still been alive at the time.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 11, 2021, 07:11:48 PM

I found this very touching:

https://twitter.com/USAmbUK/status/1436712524062330882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1436712524062330882%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fworld%2Fqueen-elizabeth-honors-9-11-victims-uk-marks-20th-anniversary (https://twitter.com/USAmbUK/status/1436712524062330882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1436712524062330882%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fworld%2Fqueen-elizabeth-honors-9-11-victims-uk-marks-20th-anniversary)


Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 11, 2021, 07:13:13 PM
How far is the Dakota from there?  I am asking because I'm wondering how close John Lennon would have been to this event if he had still been alive at the time.

Well, Paul saw the smoke coming from the WTC towers as he sat on a runway in NYC that morning.

As far as the Dakota's proximity to that area, I myself do not know.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 11, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
How far is the Dakota from there?  I am asking because I'm wondering how close John Lennon would have been to this event if he had still been alive at the time.

Loco, John would have been able to see what happened from The Dakota which is about five miles north of where the Twin Towers stood.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 11, 2021, 09:00:45 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/GbKsz9hs/WP-20150909-003.jpg)


I took this picture with my cell phone on 9-11-15 as I was driving home from the medical center in Manhattan where I'm on staff.  I was on The New Jersey Turnpike.

The 9/11 Tribute in Light will shine again tonight.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 11, 2021, 09:09:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yfivS8SWs&t=53s# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yfivS8SWs&t=53s#)

This Budweiser commercial was aired just once.  It's just as powerful today as it was twenty years ago.

Never Forget
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 11, 2021, 09:38:48 PM
Normandie:  Thank you.  I didn't know Paul was there at the time.

Hello Goodbye:  Thank you for the information about the Dakota.  I wonder how John would have reacted and what he would have said.  George Harrison died several months later (11/29/2001).  Where was George living then?

I just finished watching Oliver Stone's 2006 movie, World Trade Center.  It was very powerful and very moving.  It's been 20 years but until today, I haven't ever devoted a lot of time to thinking about it.  For some reason, I decided to watch this 2 hour movie and I did so without distraction or breaks.

Maybe I haven't wanted to think about it all this time.  I don't know.  For some reason, it feels very relevant in today's world.  If there's ever a repeat of a terrorist event of this nature, it could potentially be far worse.  Anything that would involve the utilization of nuclear missiles would be off the charts in terms of damages and fatalities.  Is such a tragedy inevitable?
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 11, 2021, 09:46:46 PM
I just finished watching Oliver Stone's 2006 movie, World Trade Center.  It was very powerful and very moving. 


Loco Mo, if you want a true sense of the horror of that day, watch "9/11": I had my daughters watch it (my son was too young). It was the most stressful thing I've ever watched. I truly felt that if I heard the sound of one more body slamming into the ground I would start screaming and not be able to stop. I had to leave the room as we watched, but I forced myself to endure that which others witnessed first hand that day. I cannot even begin to imagine the PTSD.

watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_(2002_film) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_(2002_film))
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 11, 2021, 11:16:15 PM
Maybe I haven't wanted to think about it all this time.  I don't know.  For some reason, it feels very relevant in today's world.  If there's ever a repeat of a terrorist event of this nature, it could potentially be far worse.  Anything that would involve the utilization of nuclear missiles would be off the charts in terms of damages and fatalities.  Is such a tragedy inevitable?

Loco, considering what has happened over the past few weeks, I'm sad to say that another terrorist event of this nature might indeed be possible. 

Could it be potentially far worse?  Yes. 

Is such a tragedy inevitable?  Only if we allow it to be.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: blmeanie on September 12, 2021, 12:33:31 PM
I had a high school friend was working and died in the tower that day.  Incredibly sad day.  The memorial in NYC is amazing, if you have not seen it I highly recommend it, not easy but important part of history unfortunately.  The town I grew up in lost 3 people that day, two on planes and my hs friend in the tower.  They have built a memorial garden and commemorate the day every year in a ceremony.  Here is a video produced about the garden and the people.

https://youtu.be/6f9n3vA5UCg (https://youtu.be/6f9n3vA5UCg)
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 12, 2021, 11:42:41 PM
(https://awsforwp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Tribute-in-Light-illuminates-the-sky-for-911-20th-anniversary.jpeg)



(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/tribute-light_hpEmbed_20210911-195931_3x2_992.jpg)


Last night
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 14, 2021, 04:11:08 PM
I had a high school friend was working and died in the tower that day.  Incredibly sad day.   The town I grew up in lost 3 people that day, two on planes and my hs friend in the tower. 


 :(  So tragic. I live too far away from my hometown to know whether anyone who hails from there was lost, but at least three people at my daughters' daycare were killed that day, 2 on one of the flights and 1 at the Pentagon.

The memorial in NYC is amazing, if you have not seen it I highly recommend it, not easy but important part of history unfortunately.


I have not (yet) seen it, but my daughters had the opportunity to go, their senior year of high school. I think that finally imprinted on them the enormity of the tragedy. I never let them forget; I remind them every September 11. My son was supposed to go last year but the trip was canceled because of the pandemic. I agree it is—unfortunately, as you noted—an important part of history.

They have built a memorial garden and commemorate the day every year in a ceremony.  Here is a video produced about the garden and the people.


That looks like a beautiful tribute, blmeanie; I skimmed it and will watch it in its entirety soon.

I wanted to quickly tack on this meme I stumbled across that struck a chord:


(https://i.ibb.co/8jWbpqf/sept-12.jpg)


Of course, anyone who doesn't like Chick-fil-A is just a flat-out awful person.  ;D


Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: nimrod on September 14, 2021, 11:22:17 PM
([url]https://awsforwp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Tribute-in-Light-illuminates-the-sky-for-911-20th-anniversary.jpeg[/url])



([url]https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/tribute-light_hpEmbed_20210911-195931_3x2_992.jpg[/url])

Great photos Baz.

So very sad  :'(


Last night
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 18, 2021, 01:24:53 AM
Normandie:  I finally acted upon your suggestion to see the movie, 9/11.  However, I watched the wrong one.  Whoopie Goldberg was in that one.  I found the movie to be very melodramatic and very moving.  However, reviews were mostly negative and critics accused the producer of being exploitative.  I'm not sure of what they mean by that.  It was the story of people trapped in an elevator.  I think it was based on some truth but was fictionalized mostly.  Even so, it really gave me a sense of the horrible situation people faced who were trapped in elevators.  What a terrible way to die!

So, I re-read your suggestion and saw that the movie you recommended was filmed by the Naudet brothers.  So, that's on my agenda now.  I hope to watch it soon.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 18, 2021, 02:22:23 AM
So, I re-read your suggestion and saw that the movie you recommended was filmed by the Naudet brothers.  So, that's on my agenda now.  I hope to watch it soon.

Please let us know what you think after you have watched it, Loco Mo.  :)

Even so, it really gave me a sense of the horrible situation people faced who were trapped in elevators.  What a terrible way to die!

Agreed! An even more horrifying elevator trauma was on the Lusitania. Apparently the elevators were full when it was struck by a torpedo, and either that or the subsequent explosion immediately cut off the power to the ship. I had already told me my kids that story before my dad treated us to a cruise in 2014. We all took the stairs the whole time.  ha2ha
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 18, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
Normandie:
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Please let us know what you think after you have watched it, Loco Mo.  :)

I definitely will.  Also, I plan to read about the Lusitania. 
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 18, 2021, 03:38:43 PM
Also, I plan to read about the Lusitania.

<trying not to hyperventilate  ;D > That's great, Loco Mo! She was so gorgeous, and I find it amazing that she sank in only 18 minutes. A ship that size!

Here's a quick suggestion for a good place to start: Hoehling and Hoehling's The Last Voyage of the Lusitania. It's considered the classic starting point.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 18, 2021, 06:33:03 PM
Here's a quick suggestion for a good place to start: Hoehling and Hoehling's The Last Voyage of the Lusitania. It's considered the classic starting point.

I promise to read it.  I have another book I need to finish first.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 23, 2021, 09:30:23 PM
Normandie:  Well, I'm reading the "The Last Voyage."  It's kind of slow going because I'm not familiar with a lot of nautical terms.  Also, it's depressing knowing that so many people are destined to die in that tragedy.  It's really sad that a captain in a U-Boat had the power to press a button that would end the lives of so many defenseless people.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 23, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Normandie:  Well, I'm reading the "The Last Voyage."  It's kind of slow going because I'm not familiar with a lot of nautical terms. 

Not to worry, Loco Mo; when I started my ocean liner reading I did not know the difference between port and starboard, or even (!) between bow and stern. If I can learn, anyone can.  :)

Also, it's depressing knowing that so many people are destined to die in that tragedy.  It's really sad that a captain in a U-Boat had the power to press a button that would end the lives of so many defenseless people.

Well, in fairness —  :-\ — to Walther Schwieger, I don't think he realized the ship was going to sink that fast; she apparently did so because of the secondary explosion that was caused by either munitions she was carrying or a coal dust explosion; it's still a hotly debated topic to this day. But yes, I wholeheartedly agree that it's sad that the fate of so many rested on the shoulders of one man. He died himself in a submarine accident years later. So, karma kicked in.

Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 24, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
Well, in fairness —  :-\ — to Walther Schwieger, I don't think he realized the ship was going to sink that fast;

N.B.: I wasn't trying to excuse Schwieger's actions.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 27, 2021, 07:03:52 PM
Normandie:  I finally finished "The Last Voyage."  I also read "The Lusitania's Last Voyage" by Charles E. Lauriat, Jr., (book seller and saloon passenger).

Both of these were intense reads.  The survivors' accounts of what they witnessed really impacted me emotionally.  I can't imagine the horror and shock people faced at the onset of the torpedo blast and the short period of time (est. 20 minutes) they had left in which to die (1,197 victims).  It is a shame the way the portholes were open thus allowing the water to flow in faster as well as the way some people improperly fastened their life belts.  Also, some life boats failed (I don't know how many) because they couldn't break them free from the davits quickly enough with some of the boats therefore crashing into the ocean while capsizing (even breaking) and casting their passengers into the water.

The Last Voyage took me a while to read.  I would say that I really began reading intently about 3/4s through and toward the end.  I just couldn't put the book down from that point forward.  The survivor accounts absorbed my complete attention.

ADDTIONALLY:  I watched the Naudet Brothers 9/11 documentary.  That was hard to watch.  Unbelievably, they were there filming before and after the event occurred.  Each of the brothers almost died when the buildings collapsed.  I forced myself to watch.  It was hard.  Wow!  It seemed that if you didn't get crushed to death from the falling debris that your life was also at risk from the density of thick dust that virtually began choking your lungs.  And you couldn't see either because your eyes were full of the stuff.  I wonder how many people actually suffocated due to the dust alone.  And that wasn't the end of the dust hazard.  Now they've found many survivors have COPD from it all these years later.  COPD appears to be untreatable.  Because - how can you clean the lungs of the debris?  Also, I would think many of the cells in the lungs have died as a result and it is not possible to regenerate them.

So, I did my homework as assigned (suggested) by my amazing instructor, Ms. Normandie.  Thank you for guiding me to the movie and the book.  What have I learned from this?  Well, maybe I'll reveal that in another post ... maybe. 
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 27, 2021, 07:34:22 PM
This was also a very good book.  "Angel in the Rubble: The Miraculous Rescue of 9/11's Last Survivor by Genelle Guzman-McMillan."  Genelle was stuck in the rubble and ensuing death was close and certain.  Without the rescuers there was no hope, because her body was totally wedged in the rubble with a concrete(?) beam over her legs and boulders(?) holding her head in place so that she couldn't move.  Also, her right arm was stuck behind her leg.  She was totally blind because of the debris.  It was an incredible ordeal (27 hours).  The first half of the book was the most powerful part to me because she describes the hours prior to her rescue.  Later she speculates about God and her faith in Him.  She will probably lose a lot of readers at that point.  I think many people cannot understand how a good and caring God could allow tragedies like this.  So, either God is indifferent or simply does not exist (or who knows what else?).  Something amazing to note is that she said she's not claustrophobic and that helped her to endure the ordeal.  I honestly don't understand how she mentally survived the experience.  There was so much pain and hopelessness.  But she was rescued by something beyond herself - that is, other human beings who put their own lives at risk to save hers.  That was a very dangerous environment for rescuers to be in because of the constant danger of further collapse as well as not knowing what you're stepping onto - maybe some shredded metal and concrete - or maybe a 20 foot deep abyss in which to drop to your own imprisonment or death.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 27, 2021, 10:42:28 PM
Normandie:  I finally finished "The Last Voyage."  I also read "The Lusitania's Last Voyage" by Charles E. Lauriat, Jr., (book seller and saloon passenger).


That was my very first Lusitania book, and my first eBay purchase! I'm afraid to touch my copy. Where did you find yours?

Both of these were intense reads.  The survivors' accounts of what they witnessed really impacted me emotionally.  I can't imagine the horror and shock people faced at the onset of the torpedo blast and the short period of time (est. 20 minutes) they had left in which to die (1,197 victims).  It is a shame the way the portholes were open thus allowing the water to flow in faster as well as the way some people improperly fastened their life belts.  Also, some life boats failed (I don't know how many) because they couldn't break them free from the davits quickly enough with some of the boats therefore crashing into the ocean while capsizing (even breaking) and casting their passengers into the water.

I was just telling my friends about this at coffee last week: how the severe list prevented the launching of almost all of the lifeboats, and how many people put their life belts on incorrectly, thus forcing their heads toward the water.  :'(

The Last Voyage took me a while to read.  I would say that I really began reading intently about 3/4s through and toward the end.  I just couldn't put the book down from that point forward.  The survivor accounts absorbed my complete attention.

I'm so happy to hear this! It is a truly absorbing, and sad, tale. I'll have to re-read this again soon.

ADDTIONALLY:  I watched the Naudet Brothers 9/11 documentary.  That was hard to watch.  Unbelievably, they were there filming before and after the event occurred.  Each of the brothers almost died when the buildings collapsed.  I forced myself to watch.  It was hard. 
So, I did my homework as assigned (suggested) by my amazing instructor, Ms. Normandie.  Thank you for guiding me to the movie and the book. 

I agree; this was really tough to watch. The Naudet brothers were the only ones who captured footage of the first plane to strike the WTC. It's amazing to watch on the video—you can hear the noise of the plane being so low, which was strange, and then—boom!—that one brother holding the camera lifted it to the sky just in time to capture the horrific event.

What have I learned from this?  Well, maybe I'll reveal that in another post ... maybe.

I'd love to hear more. If you are interested in learning more about the Lusitania, check out Eric Sauder's books and TV interviews. I just saw him on a documentary a few weeks ago. He's such a great person; he's even dived on the wreck—and the submersible got tangled in fishing nets! Fortunately the operator was able to maneuver the submersible free. Eric is so smart, and a genuinely kind person. His brother Bill is brilliant as well, and also very kind, and is a Titanic expert. He was a consultant on the Cameron film.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 27, 2021, 10:45:15 PM
This was also a very good book.  "Angel in the Rubble: The Miraculous Rescue of 9/11's Last Survivor by Genelle Guzman-McMillan."  G

I hadn't heard of that; I'll have to track this one down.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 27, 2021, 11:21:02 PM
That was my very first Lusitania book, and my first eBay purchase! I'm afraid to touch my copy. Where did you find yours?

I ordered it on Amazon for Kindle.  Total cost was $14.23.

I also purchased "Angel in the Rubble" for Kindle.  That was $12.65.  So, as you can see, I invested a little bit of money in pursuing my study of the Lusitania catastrophe.

Re:  "I'd love to hear more."  This seems like a homework assignment.  I will have to gather my thoughts and spend some time in consideration of what I've taken away from all this reading.  I can't promise how soon I will provide further feedback.  Now, where is my muse?
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Loco Mo on September 27, 2021, 11:26:55 PM
If you are interested in learning more about the Lusitania, check out Eric Sauder's books and TV interviews.

You bet.  I will definitely follow up on your suggestion.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 11, 2022, 06:03:40 AM
This is not to forget the passengers on American Airlines Flight 77, which slammed into the Pentagon, or the brave passengers on United Flight 93. If the latter had destroyed the U.S. Capitol, or the White House, which I used to drive by every day,  then my ex and many close friends likely would have perished that day, so I feel particularly indebted to those brave men and women.

Such a horrible, horrible day. I will never, ever forget it. Life has never been the same since. I know atrocities have been played out across the globe, but for me this was a horrifying wake-up call.

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Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 12, 2022, 12:27:36 AM
It's been raining all day here to match the somber mood I'm in thinking of what happened 21 years ago.

The Tribute in Light won't be visible so I'm posting this picture I took with my cell phone on 9-11-15 as I was driving home from the medical center in Manhattan where I'm on staff.  I was on The New Jersey Turnpike...



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Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Normandie on September 12, 2022, 01:31:01 AM

Nice photo, Barry.

I've been saddened to see that, on many news sites with articles noting the anniversary of 9/11, the reader comments have mostly been hate-filled attacks on various politicians and political groups. The divisions and vitriol are worse than they've ever been, or so it seems to me. The States is such an unhappy country right now. Or perhaps broken is a better word.
Title: Re: 9/11 anniversary again
Post by: Hello Goodbye on September 12, 2022, 02:37:22 AM
Divisions and vitriol should be put aside on this day to remember all the lives lost that day.  And those lives lost from resultant diseases contracted to this present day.

I was scheduled to be at Columbia-Presbyterian on Wednesday morning September 12, 2001.  New York City was locked down and only hospital personnel were permitted in.  I showed my hospital ID badge to the US Army soldiers stationed at the New Jersey side of the George Washington Bridge and was allowed to cross into Manhattan.