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Beatles forums => Albums => Topic started by: Bobber on November 01, 2006, 09:52:38 AM
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Are you gonna get the 'new' album? Or do you think it's another easy way from Apple to get our money? Shouldn't Apple release other, maybe more important and wished stuff instead? Just wondering what your thoughts are.
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If it's a genuine stab at something new, especially if it's going towards the trance/ambience genre I'm definately in. I guess they're trying to find new markets and not just cater for the diehards.
" A New Beatles For The 21st Century." Duh Dah. It worked for Elvis :)
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...do you think it's another easy way from Apple to get our money?
I think I asked this question a few weeks ago. I'll buy it for sure. It'll be interesting at least. It's surely another way for Apple to get our money. But at least there's something 'new' for us to listen to and analyze here.
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I'll probably eventually get it.
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My local radio station played the "new" While My Guitar last night, and it sounded GOOD. It felt very contempory (not the slightest bit 60ish) and the production was crystal clear. A job really well done
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my opinion can be found here: http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-news/m-1159822228/s-23/ :)
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my opinion can be found here: [url]http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-news/m-1159822228/s-23/ :[/url])
I think we agree. The quality of production is outstanding.
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If you go to the official site (http://www.beatles.com) and if you've subscribed, you can listen to "Strawberry Fields", "Octopus' Garden", "Lady Madonna" and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" of the new album.
(A lot of buffering on my side, though.)
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I plan on listening to it, without a doubt, but it's just another Beatles compilation, except done in a different way to advertise the show.
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I have heard a few pieces and i think i like it enough to buy it.
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If you go to the official site ([url]http://www.beatles.com[/url]) and if you've subscribed, you can listen to "Strawberry Fields", "Octopus' Garden", "Lady Madonna" and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" of the new album.
(A lot of buffering on my side, though.)
I uploaded them here: http://rapidshare.com/files/1755716/Love_Promo.zip
Post your opinions: http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-news/m-1159822228/s-30/
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I'll probably het it for Christmas or something, if not, I won't get it 'cause don't have any money.
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psst...virgin radio will be playing it out in full, so you can hear the whole thing before you splurge your cash on it. Linky. (http://www.virginradio.co.uk/music/artists/the_beatles/?pid=la)
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Listened to it in full last night on the radio. I was blown away. It sounds very contempory and has a definate trance/dance feel to it (warning -I was lying in bed very stoned). Perfect album to put on after a good nights pubbing/clubbing.
The production on all the songs is excellent - everything sounds much more up front. The drums have been fiddled with a bit (more of them I'm sure) and the vocals are excellent. On Something (which I've always wished Macca had sung) George sounds really powerful. And on Lennons tracks most of the sh*t has been taken from Johns voice, so he's much rawer. Lucy ITSWD was superb.
The highlights for me were the opening of Because (just the vocals -it'll bring a tear to your eye I promise) and the linking of Mr Kite (I think) and I Want You - awesome.
One thing I thought of - the links between the songs, and many of the songs themselved, are drenched with a backdrop of voices, sounds and backwards tapes. It's the one constant thread throughout the album. So its wierd that the song that has the biggest stamp on this album is the despised Revolution 9. Oooh spooky.
Can't wait to see what people think of this.
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On Something (which I've always wished Macca had sung) George sounds really powerful. One thing I thought of - the links between the songs, and many of the songs themselved, are drenched with a backdrop of voices, sounds and backwards tapes. It's the one constant thread throughout the album.
Didn't Macca perform Something as a tribute to George? I'm sure I heard him sing it on Beatles-A-Rama!!!
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Didn't Macca perform Something as a tribute to George? I'm sure I heard him sing it on Beatles-A-Rama!!!
He performed it on his last tour. He also played it at the Concert For George. On uke!
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^ It was amazing at Earls Court. ;o)
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Just been listening to the 4 track LOVE sampler. Very interesting. The sound was fantastic, and that was from mp3!!
If there's going to be a remastered back catalogue ::) then I hope George and Giles have something to do with it.
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Total thing here!
This seems to be it: [url]http://rapidshare.com/files/3602492/Lovely_bugs_all_around.ogg.html[/url]
Beware, there's some bugs in it. Oh, and it's just for pre-listening of course.
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Just been listening to the 4 track LOVE sampler. Very interesting. The sound was fantastic, and that was from mp3!!
If there's going to be a remastered back catalogue ::) then I hope George and Giles have something to do with it.
I've listened to the whole package (not at Bobber's link ... but others ;D) and I think that the most interesting pieces of work are the ones included on the promo :( .... spice-alley While My Guitar Gently Weeps (a beauty-full -one of the best songs the Guys ever made- song that works as a rock number and as a ballad) and Strawberry Fields Forever ...
... sure that I need to listen to the album some more times but I expected more :-/ ...
P.D. Within You Without You - Tomorrow Never Knows sounds interesting (the first minute or so ... then it's boring)
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I don't understand it. Call me stupid, but these songs were recorded by The Beatles, right? Not a band called The Guys.
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I don't understand it. Call me stupid, but these songs were recorded by The Beatles, right? Not a band called The Guys.
Raxo?
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I don't understand it. Call me stupid, but these songs were recorded by The Beatles, right? Not a band called The Guys.
you are as pretty as you are smart....go on and splain axo why you think calling them the guys make it seems like you personally knew them....it does seem a bit presump...and i wasn't going to say nothing but since she did i will agree...it appears stoopid....
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What's wrong with calling them the guys? Leave Raxo alone. He's a valued member. :)
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KEVIN
Macca played something on ulkilale on the "driving rain" tour 2002 as a tribute to GEORGE you must have been there :o
Also at the tribute for GEORGE HARRISON concert [i wasnt there :'(]
I will definatley buying LOVE going off the MOJO review it sounds impressive.
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I don't understand it. Call me stupid, but these songs were recorded by The Beatles, right? Not a band called The Guys.
You're right! :)
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you are as pretty as you are smart....go on and splain axo why you think calling them the guys make it seems like you personally knew them....it does seem a bit presump...and i wasn't going to say nothing but since she did i will agree...it appears stoopid....
You're right too! :) ... but remember (if you can read) that she never said it appeared stupid ... and she never said that she thinks what you're saying she does!
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What's wrong with calling them the guys? Leave Raxo alone. He's a valued member. :)
Thanks! ... but don't pay too much at-tention!
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it's only words.......he doesn't believe it.........don't pay any attention to me..i am a petty man with petty griefs....who has nothing to offer here....
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you are as pretty as you are smart....go on and splain axo why you think calling them the guys make it seems like you personally knew them....it does seem a bit presump...and i wasn't going to say nothing but since she did i will agree...it appears stoopid....
LOL!!!
your a witty man pc
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it's only words.......he doesn't believe it.........don't pay any attention to me..i am a petty man with petty griefs....who has nothing to offer here....
C'mon, man :-/ ... you know I like you (Needed I to say it a-gain?) and that I only like to play with words ... nothing about you in that reply ... and I already told you that you was right, get it? :) ...
... but I do believe I'm not important enough to pay at-tention to my words or to what I say about The Guys ... even if I call them so ... and I don't want to spend any time splaining my wordplays ... sometimes there are different languages on them and lots of (contra-dicta(s)tories) meanings ... but there are there just to make some people smile (guests, y'know) from diferent parts of the globe.
P.S. I declare this bridge open! ;D
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sounds burdonesque to me and i don't mean eric...i understand what was being said tho..i am only half dense...i can see you take the limelights more serious than eye dew.....it's just me muck muck attitude i guess...no 'arms tended towards ewe...dig???say how is you seester man?i hope the whole famn damliy is fantastico'...feliz navida admiral raxo
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Is Raxo Spanish?
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apparently so
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Would have been interesting if Across The Universe were on LOVE. A fifth version.
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Love is an absolute masterpiece and might be the most enjoyable Beatles album ever released. Very impressive piece of work by Martin jr. & sr.
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I think so too. Its so great. I very much enjoyed listening to the album. What they did to the songs makes it so cool. Two thumbs up in my book!
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LOVE is an absolutly brilliant masterpiece of an album
I cant stop playing it, its genius ;D
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Listened to its entirety last night - and wow, I was really blown away.
The build up at the start of Get Back really works, and the more subtle tweaks are fantastic. I always loved that version of Strawberry Fields - the harmonies are breathtaking - so dream like.
Next pay packet - and it's getting bought! :)
- George Martin and his son were briefly talking on Jools Holland's show last night about Love, and the Beatles in general. They showed a segment of the Lady Madonna/Bulldog video clip. I think it may be repeated sometime tonight (BBC 2?) although not sure.
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At one point (at the end of Strawberry Fields Forever) you're hearing elements of three different songs at the same time and it sounds just like it was intended that way! Incredible.
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At one point (at the end of Strawberry Fields Forever) you're hearing elements of three different songs at the same time and it sounds just like it was intended that way! Incredible.
Yep, I like that part of the track (I'd already said it 8)) ... Octopus's Garden (begining and break) and While My Guitar Gently Weeps (the whole song is a Dlightfull experience ;)) are the other highlights, in my opinion ...
... :B oops, I almost forget to mention Within You Without You - Tomorrow Never Knows (first minute) and Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite - I Want You (She's So Heavy) - Helter Skelter (good, the last part of it)
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Within You/Without You is a great achievement. It's great to hear it because John and George were on the same spiritual vibe at some points. It's nice because it seems as though it were somehow a Lennon/Harrison composition listening to it. And the hypnotic drum track seems like it could have been written for WYWY. Works perfectly. One of the treasures on the album. :)
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You have said it all: "works perfectly"
Lennon and George were very close by 1966 and 1967 ...
Taxman and some of John's Revolver songs sound to me as if they were composed together (tho they weren't) ...
... and Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite and Within You Without You have always sounded in my mind as a weird two-sided single ... they are far away from the others of Sgt. Pepper's ... tho Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds sounds to me as if it was a collaboration too ...
... talking about the dark side of both members: I Am The Walrus and Blue Jay Way are parallels to me (but at different levels) ...
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I wouldn't use the word dark to describe anything George did (and consider: Beware Of Darkness), though it's certainly there in some of John's stuff - '...just had to laugh...' Tomorrow Never Knows I think was intended to be genuinely spiritual, but the music seems kind of dark. Some of the music in George's songs might seem dark, but I think George never intended it to sound that way. Except that the darkness of the music in Blue Jay Way might have been intended to act as a warning - 'Please don't be long.' I know it was based on friends who couldn't find their way to his home, but, I wonder if it's a hidden spiritual reference. Like I suggested with Savoy Truffle.
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I su-pose you're right ... my comment was made with George's fear of the LA fog in mind (he sounds frightned in the song too) and only talking about the sound ... and its sound isn't exactly bright, if you ask me :) ...
... well, the thing is that if you try to mash up both I'm sure that it'll work perfectly too ... the arrangements are in the same wave, if you know what I mean ;D
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Putting together I Am The Walrus and Blue jay Way? Don't be surprised if there's ever a second remix album if this one is so profitable!
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I'm sure that LOVE will be a big success :) ... but I'm nor so sure that the excuse used here (the soundtrack for a show) could be used again or even that the alive members and Yoko and Olivia, -all of them and at the same time-, will ever agree to allow anyone to do something like this again ... sadly :-/ ... (I wish I was wrong ::)) ...
P.S. Closer to the topic now, I think ... LOL! ;D
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I'm sure that LOVE will be a big success :)
That's not hard to predict. It already is a big success.
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Well, not a very risky thing to say, maybe ;D ... but after just a few days it could seem a big success ... but I think we should wait some more to assure it :-/ ... after Xmastime at least :) ...
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Christmas will gain the big sales figures. No doubt why they released it recently.
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Yep, and, because of that, I think that January and Februry will test the album sales ...
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A success is not only counted by sales.
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Not only ... but without them :-/
[...]but after just a few days it could seem a big success ... but I think we should wait some more to assure it :-/ [...]
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you are as pretty as you are smart....go on and splain axo why you think calling them the guys make it seems like you personally knew them....it does seem a bit presump...and i wasn't going to say nothing but since she did i will agree...it appears stoopid....
Thanks for the compliment. I see, but i think it's a bit silly, but i didn't mean to upset anyone. Still i think to talk of The Beatles as The Guys, with capitals, is confusing and not necessary. Like calling somebody you don't know a friend. Or giving a nickname to somebody you don't really know.
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Raxo hardly ever spells it with capitals. Calling them the guys is just endearing I suppose he feels. I call them the guys sometimes too. Another good Raxo idea!
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I agree with Tamara here. It is silly. Especially when it's used in the names of albums. Why don't we call them The Rolling Stones, the Kinks or the Who instead? Like: Kinks For Sale, With The Kinks... Sounds good and even better than 'Guys'. Capitals are used quite often by the way. Hey! Let's call this place DM's Kinks Forum!
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I just found out on allmusic.com that The Guys are in fact the band that released the timeless classics "Guys" (2004), "The Guys Christmas Party" (2004) and "Live At The Party" (2006), so please let them keep their name and let the Beatles keep their name, otherwise it would be WAY too confusing. :)
Back on topic:
This new version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps is hands down the best version I ever heard of the song.
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[...]Like calling somebody you don't know a friend. Or giving a nickname to somebody you don't really know.
Agree on this ...
... all of you love to be off-topic too ... like me, I see! :)
Well, backing back to topic: I think that the best point oon While My Guitar Gently Weeps (LOVE version) is that the classical approach and its sound quality make it look as an "alternate studio version", if you know what I mean: for an outsider or casual listener (not a fan, obviously) this could be an unreleased outtake ... a highlight of this album (the best track, if you ask me) ...
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Well, I broke down and finally bought it, and it p*sses me off that it sounds so good because their entire catalog needs remastered. As for the album itself, its good for the first few listens, but i'm not going nuts over it.
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a highlight of this album (the best track, if you ask me) ...
I agree. My second favorite would be Strawberry Fields Forever. I love the way how the demo evolves to the final version.
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Well, I broke down and finally bought it, and it p*sses me off that it sounds so good because their entire catalog needs remastered.
Absolutely agree with you here, tkitna. A shame it hasn't been done. This is the year 2006, it needs to be done.
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I agree. And not only do the regular CDs sound like crap, the covers/booklets look like crap too.
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Absolutely agree with you here, tkitna. A shame it hasn't been done. This is the year 2006, it needs to be done.
2006?? we'll be lucky if it happens in the next year. i'll go out on a limb and predict late '07- it's the final beatles frontier...that and availing the music for download.
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Plus the stuff they couldn't get on Anthology. Like Carnival Of light, etc.
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2006?? we'll be lucky if it happens in the next year. i'll go out on a limb and predict late '07- it's the final beatles frontier...that and availing the music for download.
I just meant that after such a long time, it's about time they start remastering the stuff.
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Plus the stuff they couldn't get on Anthology. Like Carnival Of light, etc.
I think that whatever's not on Anthology, is on bootlegs.
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http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-fifths/m-1112096590/s-all/
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There must be some stuff left, such as in the discussion we had that Raxo reminds us of. And, many takes of songs are in the vaults. As long as there's money in releasing them, there might always be releases of these takes in time.
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Sad to say in a day like today *sigh* :'(...
... but having Olivia (instead of George - always reluctant) and Yoko (instead of John - usualley disowning) approving projects with Paul (the fan number one of the guys) and Ringo (who -I think- is longing for the good old days) everything could happen ... now that we've got Giles! ;D
P.S. But I doubt it: they didn't like to repeat themselves :-/ ...
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Interesting to see what will happen with Giles.
I suppose the rest of the albums will be remastered at some point in the next few years. They got the two slightly disappointing albums remastered and tidied up already. The rest are bound to follow.
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I don't think any of the outtakes that didn't make the Anthology CDs will be officially released in the future... Cause how on earth are they ever going to promote that?
"When it was recorded in the 60s, it wasn't good enough to be released... When we released 6 1/2 hours of outtakes in the 90s, it still wasn't good enough... But NOW we're finally trying to sell it to you... So get it NOW!"
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I don't think any of the outtakes that didn't make the Anthology CDs will be officially released in the future... Cause how on earth are they ever going to promote that?
"When it was recorded in the 60s, it wasn't good enough to be released... When we released 6 1/2 hours of outtakes in the 90s, it still wasn't good enough... But NOW we're finally trying to sell it to you... So get it NOW!"
Spot on. "Here's the leftovers from the leftovers!" It might be interesting for us as fans, tho.
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One show is promoting their last album (remixes made by producers) ... maybe a new soundtrack for a new documentary made by other people in the future? ??) ... busyNess, y'know: now there are only two of the members alive, so ...
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Spot on. "Here's the leftovers from the leftovers!" It might be interesting for us as fans, tho.
Come to think of it, you might well be right. After all, the Anthology albums were more like something for the hardcore fans. I wonder how many people went out to buy it thinking it would be something like complete songs right through, like the 1 album. The fact that there's talking and incomplete tracks and bits of things for interest makes it much more like something for the hard core fans. Some people might have been disappointed after spending that money. Perhaps the best way to release it in future for the hardcore fans, if they ever do, would be to make it available for download on the net for a price.
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You've answered yourself ;): those albums (and book and DVDs and packs of American LPs and ... well, everything) were so expensive that only fans bought them (huge sales, by the way 8))... so they keep releasing stuff (Yoko's doing too) because the fans buy it ... don't worry about that: there'll be enough fans to buy whatever they'll released ("1" album and Anthologies were very success, y'know)
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Of course a 'leftovers of the leftovers' compilation would still sell a few million copies, but it would just not be very stylish to release that. And so far the Beatles discography has been threated with an enormous amount of respect if you compare it to, for instance, the Elvis and Beach Boys discographies. The last thirty years the pointless low budget Beach Boys compilations have been released by the dozens because Capitol will license their songs to just about anybody. I'm glad that EMI is much more careful with what's being released of the Beatles.
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If they ever intended on releasing any more Anthology style CD's, they'd have done it by now. I don't think there's much more they can do without repeating themselves.
As for Carnival Of Light, I'm sure I remember reading that it was slated for the Anthology series, but was unanimously vetoed! The only other thing of interest I can think of is the fabled 27 minute 'Yer Blues'. I've yet to read about or meet anybody who's actually heard this!
I'd like to see a good live compilation. There must be an awful lot that they can do with the tapes now, that they couldn't do years ago. And a complete Rooftop concert.
Neil Aspinal publicly stated earlier this year that the remasters were done. It's just a question of when to release them. They'll let Love on it's own for a few months, so my prediction is for around April for the first 2 or 3 cd's. Culminating at Xmas with the Let It Be DVD. You know how Apple likes an anniversary: 20 years since the cd's were first issued.
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I'm glad that EMI is much more careful with what's being released of the Beatles.
Me too :) ...
... about releasing vetoed songs as Carnival Of Light and all that: we should remember that it was George who usually vetoed them ... and the 3 of them din't record more songs than two because George didn't want to ... but now he's not longer with us ... I hope that this was not a difference but ... who knows?
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The only other thing of interest I can think of is the fabled 27 minute 'Yer Blues'. I've yet to read about or meet anybody who's actually heard this!
I think you mean Helter Skelter here. And what about the myth of Etcetera?
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There is a longer version of "Revolution #1" though with more of John's screams of "all right" (some of which can be heard on Revolution #9).
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I think you mean Helter Skelter here.
...and the anthology III cut is quite enough for me.
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My predictions for the remasters being released is about the same as the 'Let It Be' movie being released,,,,,,i'll believe it when I see it.
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I think you mean Helter Skelter here. And what about the myth of Etcetera?
Oops! You're right.
I don't believe I know anything of Etcetera?
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I don't believe I know anything of Etcetera?
Read here and further: http://dmbeatles.com/forums/m-1123997578/s-5/highlight-Etcetera/#num4
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Track 14 - (nice touch) of Tomorrow Never Knows/Within You Without You is such a great amalgamation of songs - But what I wanted to focus on was the link of track 14 into the start of track 15 in regards to the production. The in and out fading of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds creeping into the mix is so magically subtle, and timed perfectly. The combination of a slow rise in tempo building through a smoke screen of mystical noises helps add a psychedelic mystery that is held until the sound finally settles to a steady beat. I just think these few moments are such a triumph for George Martin and son Giles, and truly take original cuts of the fab four's music and create a colourful arrangment that helped accentuate the fictional sounscape the Beatles painted so effortlessly.
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Nice analysis(bouncing3)! Unfortunatley i haven't heard this tracks yet, but even George Martin say's it's brilliant! ;)
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My favourite bit is still when the She's So Heavy riff kicks in. Everytime it blows me away with the power.
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Video of Within You, Without You from LOVE here:
http://uk.music.yahoo.com/ar-262009---The-Beatles
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Someone posted this on another forum... Feel free to add anything that's missing:
1. Because - a capella version over birds sounds from the World Wildlife Version of Across The Universe, into the backwards final chord on A Day In The Life which builds into the opening guitar crash of Hard Day's Night over Ringo's drum solo and a short guitar solo burst from the end of The End into the opening of...
2. Get Back - most of the song with outro of A Day In The Life
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The jury is still out on this one for me. I have to listen to it a few more times before I make up my mind about it. I like a lot of the changes, but I think it's going to end up being more of a novelty than anything else. I like the ending to Hey Jude a lot. For some reason that stuck out for me. But again, I haven't given it too many listens yet. I'm seeing the show on Christmas. I wonder if that will help me appreciate it. Probably not. It will probably ruin it for me if anything. Oh well. At leasat it's something new. I like that the Beatles are still in the forefront of pop culture. Somewhat.
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Two clips here:
http://www.prnewswire.com/broadcast/24409/consumer.shtml
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you know i got LOVE twice for xmas (lack of communication appearently) and i have to admit, its not bad. there are times where you cant tell that theres anything different about the songs. then others are completely rethought songs and they work so well. i particularly enjoyed Because played backwards at the beginning of Something. that was cool
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you know i got LOVE twice for xmas (lack of communication appearently) and i have to admit, its not bad. there are times where you cant tell that theres anything different about the songs. then others are completely rethought songs and they work so well. i particularly enjoyed Because played backwards at the beginning of Something. that was cool
It grows with the time ...
... by the way, were you refering to Gnik Nus(Sun King backwards)? ;)
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Don't you think though that even on the "untouched" songs the production gives them a whole new life? For the first time I could pick out the guitars clearly on Walrus. It all sounds very fresh and immediate.
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I think (and hope) we'll see more projects by the Martins similar to this one in the future. Brian Wilson already said he'd love to see them do something with the Beach Boys catalogue.
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Don't you think though that even on the "untouched" songs the production gives them a whole new life? For the first time I could pick out the guitars clearly on Walrus. It all sounds very fresh and immediate.
Makes you hope for what the remasters could sound like.
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(I'm not reviewing all songs here.)
I just listened to LOVE yesterday twice - on headphones and speakers. You certainly pick up more on the ambient and extraneous content on the headphones. I was struck at the sonic clarity of "Come Together." It's not one of my favs, but I really enjoyed this version. Ringo is an excellent drummer with his inventive backup on this.
I was somewhat bored with the intro until it got to the plaintive violin chords of Eleanor Rigby. With "I am the Walrus," I was totally hooked. I feel like George Martin really liked Lennon's work. Is it my perception that I seem to hear a preponderance of John in the project?
I was also very impressed by the final "hmmm" at the end of "Help" as vocalized together by John and Paul. Was George in on this, too, for a tri-harmony? Hard to believe they did this on a few (or one) takes.
Glass Onion - what is this song all about anyway? I love it though. Seems like a throwaway of John's, just some filler for the White
Album. It clocks at 2:13. I think more could have been done with it.
Gnik Nus: I wasn't too impressed but it was an interesting idea by the Martins. At first listen, I really thought it was John singing in Dutch or something. I read the liner notes afterward and realized it was Sun King played backwards because George liked the melody and surmised that John would have enthusiastically approved.
I thought it was interesting to hear the excerpt of the passing ambulance alarm from Revolution 9 at the end of the Julia segment.
Octopus's Garden sounded melancholy in this version.
While My Guitar Gently Weeps is simply a great George Harrison tune. Can it really be called a Beatles song considering that John and Paul weren't receptive to it at the time? (However, John does play both organ and acoustic guitar on it - but where's Paul?) For that matter, I think we'd have to say that "Yesterday" wasn't a Beatles tune either. I'd hate to continue on with this logic. Best to leave it at that.
A Day in the Life: I'm glad it was included in its entirety and with the fabled "sugar plum fairie" verse clearly audible - and the short count as well. I have always considered "A Day in the Life" to be a masterpiece of sheer musical perfection.
I'm not so sure about the closeout with the Sgt Pepper reprise but I guess it made sense considering the performance is concluding at that point.
"All you need is Love" was appropriately placed as the final song because the Performance is itself labeled "Love." The snippets of Beatles dialogue with John saying "Good Night" had a frenetic quality to them. It's sort of like an amped-up Beatles concluding a show. All that energy - whew - it would have taken them a while (in those days) to unwind and cool down.
I think a better critique could be made upon seeing the Cirque Du Soleil performance and in hearing how the songs jive with that. I expect they'll eventually release a DVD of it.
One question: Is there any kind of narrative thread throughout these songs? I don't see it. Is it one of these endless "interpretation/IMO" type of games? I would think a chronological order would make the most narrative sense but it appears to be non-existent. What were George and Giles thinking - just a focus on the soundscaping of it all?
Also: I'd love to see what John, Paul, George (and yes, Ringo, too) would have done with this commission were they able, living, present and agreeable to it. Sure, the Martins are wonderful craftsman and exceedingly knowledgable in their chosen profession, but I think the actual Beatles would have done far better and would have also produced some exquisite surprises, riddles and perhaps, new material as well.
So that's my initial impression so far. Fans of all levels can enjoy it. There are some medley aspects to it in which some songs necessarily receive short shrift - but that's the nature of the project - it can't be helped. I think that apart from the Cirque Du Soleil performance itself, we'll probably just pick out what we really like and play it whenever the mood dictates. But as an overall album, I don't know. It's not even a concept album, IMO. Unless someone here can argue otherwise, it seems to me to be a motley collection of their work.
Enjoy - Love. That's all you need!
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Glass Onion - what is this song all about anyway? I love it though. Seems like a throwaway of John's, just some filler for the White
Album. It clocks at 2:13. I think more could have been done with it.
It's one of John's little teasers. A mixed up load of nothing. It doesn't mean anything, but people have still spent the best part of 40 years trying to analyze it!
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[...]Octopus's Garden sounded melancholy in this version.
While My Guitar Gently Weeps is simply a great George Harrison tune. Can it really be called a Beatles song considering that John and Paul weren't receptive to it at the time? (However, John does play both organ and acoustic guitar on it - but where's Paul?) For that matter, I think we'd have to say that "Yesterday" wasn't a Beatles tune either. I'd hate to continue on with this logic. Best to leave it at that.
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I agree with you about Octopus's Garden ... and about While My Guitar Gently Weeps (my favourite) I thought it was Paul who played the organ in the acoustic version they made before they recorded the rock one ... and about Yesterday, well, we've said a lot about that song ... one of the most interesting topics could be this:
http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-fifths/m-1140552856/s-all/
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I'm not sure whether 'Because' was the right introduction song.
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Great post, Loco Mo. I got the Love album and really liked it. Yes, some of the arrangements were weird, but it also made them fun. Since the Martins worked very closely with the Cirque Du Soleil people, I think your speculation is a good one that this CD would make better sense in the context of the show. After all, Love was developed as a soundtrack.
For me, the fun of love is that, as Kevin says, "It all sounds very fresh and immediate." Wow, so clear! And I really like some of the alternate picks of the well-known songs. I tend to put it on when I'm in the mood for Beatles, but not of a specific period. It covers all of them, so it's nice to just have playing.
I feel like George Martin really liked Lennon's work. Is it my perception that I seem to hear a preponderance of John in the project?
There's no question George Martin is an ardent fan of John Lennon's. One of the most moving parts of the Anthology project was when Sir George brought up an early take of John's "A Day in the Life" and, listening and commenting on the unique quality of John's voice, gets a tear in his eye. Sad and lovely.
While My Guitar Gently Weeps is simply a great George Harrison tune. Can it really be called a Beatles song considering that John and Paul weren't receptive to it at the time?
I would consider this a Beatles tune, as much as any of them were in the White Album period and beyond. I don't think John and Paul were terribly receptive to George's tunes at any point. When you hear them all spin off in their different directions after the split, I can see why. Doubtless, all of them must have felt a little cramped in their style. They had their own interests, but they needed their songs to also have a "Beatly" quality. It must have been tough.
However, George does say that Paul was a help after they'd done 10 of his songs and was finally ready to tackle someone else's (I'm paraphrasing the quote). George credits Paul with coming up with that fantastic keyboard intro to WMGGW, and George had it reproduced exactly on his Japan tour because he liked it so well. It's a pity the split got so acrimonious, because much as these fellows wanted to pursue their own work, there's something helpful in having an informed critic at your elbow to steer you in a fruitful direction. Only another Beatle could countermand a Beatle; that's why I think all their solo careers were a little uneven. The talent and genius was still there, but IMHO it could have benefitted from a little brotherly criticism. :)
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I found while my guitar to be my favorite from the album! George Martin adding in the orchestra (i can't spell), was brilliant! I loved the way it worked so well with the song!
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If they ever intended on releasing any more Anthology style CD's, they'd have done it by now. I don't think there's much more they can do without repeating themselves.
As for Carnival Of Light, I'm sure I remember reading that it was slated for the Anthology series, but was unanimously vetoed! The only other thing of interest I can think of is the fabled 27 minute 'Yer Blues'. I've yet to read about or meet anybody who's actually heard this!
I'd like to see a good live compilation. There must be an awful lot that they can do with the tapes now, that they couldn't do years ago. And a complete Rooftop concert.
Neil Aspinal publicly stated earlier this year that the remasters were done. It's just a question of when to release them. They'll let Love on it's own for a few months, so my prediction is for around April for the first 2 or 3 cd's. Culminating at Xmas with the Let It Be DVD. You know how Apple likes an anniversary: 20 years since the cd's were first issued.
You're right of course, there are probably not too many previously unreleased #1 top of the chart Beatle songs left in the cans...
But you know, I would still love to hear a lot of the old stuff remastered. For example, all those early Beatles tunes where the harmonies are front and center in the same "space" ... maybe because the track was mono to begin with, or maybe because that's how things were thought to be "proper" in those days. I would do almost anything to hear a remastered version where the three voices are spread out more across the sound stage ... imagine hearing all three voices completely distinctly in "That Boy", or the middle eight of "I'll Get You", or any one of a million other ones.
And from a non-vocal point of view, I'd love to hear some of the instruments spread out a bit more. Though I haven't done a comparison, the guitars in "Revolution" on the "Love" album seem more distinct and clear than I have ever heard them before ... my guess (maybe I'm way wrong, but ...) is that they split up the two guitar tracks and panned John far left and George far right. I think it would be really cool if they would do that with, for example, John and George's guitar in "Till There Was You", or "And Your Bird Can Sing", among many others ...
We might be out of luck with some of this though ... it seems that George Martin and G. Emerick had to "bounce" tracks down a lot because of the limitations of 2 and 4 track recording in the early- to mid-sixties. As I understand it, this would mean that some tracks are not able to be separated ... they've been permanently joined together to make room for other tracks.
Still ... this JPGR fool would pay some money for whatever they would sell me, that's for sure!
JPGR forever!
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JPGR forever!
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5379/81132847nx8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Great pic, raxo!
You know, your pic reminds me of one of the things that amazes me so much about them ... how driven they were to get to, and stay, at the top.
I mean, we KNOW that being posed here, prodded there, dressed up in ridiculous costumes, ENDLESSLY, had to have gotten extremely OLD, like almost instantly. But they all instinctively knew that in order to get to the "toppermost of the poppermost" there were certain things that had to be done, and they were going to do them to the best of their ability ... like pose for silly pics like these with smiles on that seem to suggest there is NOTHING else they'd rather be doing.
A LOT of inner strength in these four young men ...
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Great pic, raxo!
[...] But they all instinctively knew that in order to get to the "toppermost of the poppermost" there were certain things that had to be done, and they were going to do them to the best of their ability ... like pose for silly pics like these with smiles on that seem to suggest there is NOTHING else they'd rather be doing.
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Pleased you like the pic, alexis! :)
They are pics of them doing almost EVERYTHING 4 guys can do ... there are tons of tons of pics ... being together only a few years, we're very lucky!!! (ask Hello Goodbye! ;D)
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Pleased you like the pic, alexis! :)
They are pics of them doing almost EVERYTHING 4 guys can do ... there are tons of tons of pics ... being together only a few years, we're very lucky!!! (ask Hello Goodbye! ;D)
That's the key word ... it wouldn't do to sink their reputation at the height of Beatlemania, would it!
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That's the key word ... it wouldn't do to sink their reputation at the height of Beatlemania, would it!
They used to do the most childish poses that you can imagine and then they could tell that it all was for the press ... but I'm sure they enjoyed them a lot!!! ;D The pillow battle was arranged (official story) but it's the kind of thing I could believe they could do almost everyday at their rooms ... being all day alone, what else? during the daytime, of course!!! :P
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I must admit I haven't listened to the album since Xmas.
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I must admit I haven't listened to the album since Xmas.
I'm with you Bobber. I bought it, listened to it 5 times and it hasent been off the shelf since.
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I must admit I haven't listened to the album since Xmas.
Me too. Except for Tomorrow Never Knows/Within You, Without You.
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I like the whole thing but if i hadn't bought the DVD version i wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. I like to hear the surround mix as more of a tease for some (hopefully) FULL special edition remasters of their catalogue.. some really cool stuff going on with LOVE but i can't wait to get my hands on a real remaster and i hope they take a cue from this project and give us some cool DTS mixes too for home i'd die for that
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There is a nice article in "Sound-on-Sound" interviewing Sir George and Giles about the making of the album. SG sez he's hanging up his cleats for good now, his son sez "watch out he's said that before!".
Interesting comments made there about the some people's feelings that the early period was underrepresented in the remixes. The Martins said that because of so much bouncing down of tracks in those 2-track recording days that it's often simply not possible to get (for example) a vocal, drum, or guitar track in isolation without one of the other instruments on there as well.
Even so, I'll take whatever we can get on these ... come on Sir George and Giles, "One-two-three-four, can we have a little more?"
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Please allow me to rabbit on about how amazing the 16 minute The End 'remix' is on The Remixers Group website! ;D
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The Martins said that because of so much bouncing down of tracks in those 2-track recording days that it's often simply not possible to get (for example) a vocal, drum, or guitar track in isolation without one of the other instruments on there as well.
They should call C.S.I.
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LOVE is probably better with mostly later songs on it anyway.
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It would be very difficult to come up with a convincing surround mix from the early stuff.
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They should call C.S.I.
;D I Love those shows!!!!!!!! 8)
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I like the whole thing but if i hadn't bought the DVD version i wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. I like to hear the surround mix as more of a tease for some (hopefully) FULL special edition remasters of their catalogue.. some really cool stuff going on with LOVE but i can't wait to get my hands on a real remaster and i hope they take a cue from this project and give us some cool DTS mixes too for home i'd die for that
Hey Bungalow Bill.......I feel the same way!
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Yeah, it's alright. Don't really listen to it though, a bit like Pepper in as much as it's whole is better than it's individual parts. I got that feeling after I listened to it first time out.
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Ringo Starr collects Grammy for 'Love'
LOS ANGELES, Feb. 10 (UPI) -- Ringo Starr was on hand in Los Angeles Sunday night to collect the Grammy Award for Best Compilation Soundtrack Album for "Love."
"Love" is a Las Vegas show performed by Cirque du Soleil and set to a mash-up of dozens of Beatles tunes -- produced by longtime Beatles record produced George Martin and his son Giles Martin.
"My name is Ringo. A long time ago, we made these records with my good friends John, Paul and George, and (record producer) George Martin was involved then and he and his son Giles are involved again. And they did a great job on this music and with Cirque du Soleil, it turned into a beautiful dream," Starr, standing beside the Martins, told the A-list Grammys crowd, which included former Beatle John Lennon's widow Yoko Ono.
Earlier in the 50th Grammy Awards telecast, Cirque du Soleil and the cast of "Across the Universe" -- a film inspired by Beatles songs -- performed tributes to the iconic British rock band.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2008/02/10/ringo_starr_collects_grammy_for_love/8774/
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Interesting that Love beat out the "other" Beatles compilation in the running.
Best Compilation Soundtrack Album For Motion Picture, Television Or Other Visual Media
(Award to the Artist(s) and/or Producer(s) of a majority of the tracks on the album, or to the individual(s) actively responsible for the concept and musical direction and for the selection of artists, songs and producers, as applicable.)
Across The Universe
(Various Artists)
T Bone Burnett, Elliot Goldenthal & Teese Gohl, producers
[Interscope Records]
Dreamgirls
(Beyonc? Knowles, Jennifer Hudson & Anika Noni Rose)
Harvey Mason, Jr., Randy Spendlove, Matt Sullivan & Damon Thomas, producers
[Music World Music/Sony Urban Music/Columbia/Sony Music Soundtrax]
Hairspray
(Various Artists)
Marc Shaiman, producer
[New Line Records]
Love
(The Beatles)
George Martin & Giles Martin, producers
[Apple Records/Capitol Records]
Once
Glen Hansard & Marketa Irglova
Glen Hansard, producer
[Canvasback/Columbia/Sony Music Soundtrax]
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I was watching the Grammy. Ringo was really funny in the Red Carpet giving copies of Liverpool 8. And Yoko was wearing one of her awful hats. The Cirque du Soleil was a little boring to me, it's not my style of entertainment, but of course the music was great... It was very emotive to listen in 2008 a tape from A Day In The Life. Very moving. :)
Overall, really nice ceremony. My favourite artist there was Alicia Keys. Dear God, that woman looks amazing, and of course his singing is freakingly good. Prince was there too, all in red! Ha! I love Prince! ;D
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I was watching the Grammy. Ringo was really funny in the Red Carpet giving copies of Liverpool 8. And Yoko was wearing one of her awful hats. The Cirque du Soleil was a little boring to me, it's not my style of entertainment, but of course the music was great... It was very emotive to listen in 2008 a tape from A Day In The Life. Very moving. :)
Overall, really nice ceremony. My favourite artist there was Alicia Keys. Dear God, that woman looks amazing, and of course his singing is freakingly good. Prince was there too, all in red! Ha! I love Prince! ;D
I was reading an article tonight about Britney Spears' alleged comments about the Grammys ::) ::)
Seems Britney Spears gave quite the play-by-play
analysis Sunday night as she watched the Grammy Awards. A source who was with her shared these comments from the troubled star during the 3½-hour broadcast:
Spears also made fun of Ringo Starr -- "Too bad the least talented Beatle was the one who showed up. ... They should have got Paul [McCartney]." But she said she'd "kill for" the hat John Lennon's widow Yoko Ono was wearing.
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/787971,britneygrammy021108.article
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This seems like a total low blow. If Britney is watching the show at home, I should hope she can say what she likes! Totally unfair to broadcast it, I think. Unless it's a clever media ploy to make herself look even more ridiculous (the old "any publicity is good publicity" ploy).
Anyway, thanks for the link, JimmyMcCullochFan!
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I was reading an article tonight about Britney Spears' alleged comments about the Grammys ::) ::)
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/787971,britneygrammy021108.article[/quote]
you know she needs to just keep her opinions to herself!
and for the hat...well it's Britney Spears.
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The Vegas-style opening sequence of Love really put me off, but I thought it settled into a decent album after that. Didn't play it much, though.
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Oh lord, Spears doesn't have 1/4 the talent Ringo as. That girl is a mess. You can take the girl out the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out the girl.
Ok sorry, enough of that!
I will be going to see the Love show in vegas this week for my birthday. I am very excited! 8)
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Oh lord, Spears doesn't have 1/4 the talent Ringo as. That girl is a mess. You can take the girl out the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out the girl.
Excellent. She really is an odious person.
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You can take the girl out the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out the girl.
Well put, actually.
But... there is of course this well known alternate view: ;D
LWSjUe0FyxQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ)
Not work safe for those of you who haven't seen it.
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wow...sad things people do with their time.
I wish I was old enough to see the show in vegas. but I do love the LOVE album.
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Feature-Length Documentary Chronicles The Making Of The Beatles
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Excellent. I do hope Larry King's on it!! ??)
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No, not Larry King! Argh, that would be so tacky!
Okay, now this one's not a book, right? It has pictures that move, right? And sound and that. So I'll probably buy it.
Thanks, Cor!
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I saw the show! It was fab 8)
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:JEALOUS:
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There's no doubt that the build up to Get Back with the end drum solo was well put together or that the segue-ing of songs into each other with added bits is brilliant. I've just always thought though that the fade out of A day in the life is crying out for Flying to come in, it's in the right key too.
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This album is all-in-all, "masterfully" put together. Only Sir George could have done something so wonderful. To me, as I stated before, "LOVE" is the Beatles in the 21st century.
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This album is all-in-all, "masterfully" put together. Only Sir George could have done something so wonderful. To me, as I stated before, "LOVE" is the Beatles in the 21st century.
Yeah I thought it was pretty well done too. Kudos to George and Giles Martin for it. It's particularly interesting for those of us who know the songs inside and out to hear and bits and pieces incorporated here and there. It's probably a bizarre thing for a newer listener to be exposed to. But there's a lot of cool stuff on it. Some of my favorite parts:
-Outro on Strawberry Fields Forever
-Hey Bulldog guitar riff incorporated into Lady Madonna
-Outro on Mr. Kite. My jaw literally dropped the first time I heard it. Now that's beautifully orchestrated chaos.
There's other stuff that's cool: Come Together/Dear Prudence , the Get Back intro, Within You Without You/Tomorrow Never Knows. The sound quality is great and the mixes even on songs that aren't "mashed" like A Day in the Life, I am the Walrus and Back in the USSR are interesting. I'm personally very happy with it.
And having not listened to it in a while, I'm gonna throw it on right now.
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The actual concept of the album is F'in cool.
The mash-ups were what got me interested in the first place, but it's different that the typical remix album. Most remixes are just songs edited to make slower or faster and a bunch of random sound effects and drum loops added on top of them, while the majority of LOVE was prerecorded material, previously used or not. If you've ever listened to the HATE album, that's just one example, although I am guilty of enjoying that one.
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There is something on the Love album that I can't work out.
On the track Lucy in the sky with diamonds at the final chorus (3 minutes 35 seconds) you can hear brass on the refrain from Paul singing Lucy in the sky with diamonds repeatedly.
This brass wasn't on the original track so I assume it's from a different Beatles track and mashed into this track.
Does anyone know what song it is from.
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There is something on the Love album that I can't work out.
On the track Lucy in the sky with diamonds at the final chorus (3 minutes 35 seconds) you can hear brass on the refrain from Paul singing Lucy in the sky with diamonds repeatedly.
This brass wasn't on the original track so I assume it's from a different Beatles track and mashed into this track.
Does anyone know what song it is from.
The timing seems a bit different on the version I’m listening to. The final chorus is around 2:40 on my Apple iTunes version. There sounds like the clavioline from Baby You’re a Rich Man squirling away at some point during the chorus. Behind that it also sounds a bit like the Sgt Pepper title track horns. The part that is beneath the applause in the middle of the track. Can’t be sure though.
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I recall there were a few places Giles added some new instrumentation. I don't know if what you are asking about is one of them but it was limited I believe.
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In answer to my question, Moog you were correct.
I got this from another music forum, what bits were used on the various tracks. I found it very interesting.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Fu3p79GvteNwLigfJxhyw5gDQZz7VX61FG009m0avE/edit (https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Fu3p79GvteNwLigfJxhyw5gDQZz7VX61FG009m0avE/edit)
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In answer to my question, Moog you were correct.
I got this from another music forum, what bits were used on the various tracks. I found it very interesting.
[url]https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Fu3p79GvteNwLigfJxhyw5gDQZz7VX61FG009m0avE/edit[/url] ([url]https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Fu3p79GvteNwLigfJxhyw5gDQZz7VX61FG009m0avE/edit[/url])
That’s handy. I might have to listen to Love again with that site open icon_good
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That’s handy. I might have to listen to Love again with that site open icon_good
Yeah you should, I find Love has the best versions of some songs, Lucy, Walrus, Hey Jude, IWTHYH. And when Mr Kite morphs into I Want You is just great.......I think Giles did an awesome job. I think it was a labour of Love.
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Yeah you should, I find Love has the best versions of some songs, Lucy, Walrus, Hey Jude, IWTHYH. And when Mr Kite morphs into I Want You is just great.......I think Giles did an awesome job. I think it was a labour of Love.
Yeah I like Love. I think it worked well and there was some very clever stuff on it.