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Beatles forums => Songs => Topic started by: Brynjar on February 09, 2005, 11:01:27 PM
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Yeah I hope you know what I mean, but I was wondering if you knew if it
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If it's the ahhhhhh ahhhh ahhh ahhhh section after and before Pauls 'woke up' bit , then it's John. ;)....Welcome! ;)
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I have always believed it was John. Until recently, when it turns out to have been Paul (finishing his middle part). Amazing how like each other these two could sound.
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Really?....Well I never knew that...Is that mentioned on the anthologies at all or anywhere?...Would like to read about that. That has shattered my pre-conception...lol.
Nice bit of info there Mr. C. :)
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Its definetly John...Paul cant do Johns voice, 2 diffrent but great voices
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Hmm I guess it could go either ways.
Interesting.
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Its definetly John...Paul cant do Johns voice, 2 diffrent but great voices
Really? Ever hear Let Me Roll It?
Fact is they sang so closely together in the early days that they had to follow each other's style perfectly, and did. They both developed the ability to mimic the other.
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I wish I had the reference to which it was proved to me to be Paul. Believe me, I wasn't going to go easily, as I have assumed it was John since I was 14 when it came out. SOmeone produced something that convinced me but damned if I can remember what. Sorry about that.
So I guess you have to take what I say with a grain of salt. if I come across it I will post it.
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ohk, you win Charlie
but Paul cant do a voice like Johns in Lucy in the sky with diamonds or God
I still like Johns voice better, and I'll take another listen to a day in life
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John did have a distinctive voice, but I wouldn't say Paul couldn't do it.
Fact is we have no way to 'prove' it either way.
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I have always believed it was John.
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I believe it's Paul
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Once you listen closely you can kind of hear it, huh?
Geez, no need to apologize to me! I too was as stunned as you were!
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Ever hear Let Me Roll It?
You think Paul sounds like John on 'Let Me Roll It' Chuck? I never really noticed that, but again, I wasnt looking for it. Cool, you've stirred my curiousity. I'm going to go take a listen again.
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Didn't Paul deliberately record it to sound like john (the piano and vocal intro is a dig at Mother from POB, and its even got its own "primal scream" at the end.
It was Pauls' gentemanly response to Lennons "How do you sleep?"
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Didn't Paul deliberately record it to sound like john (the piano and vocal intro is a dig at Mother from POB, and its even got its own "primal scream" at the end.
It was Pauls' gentemanly response to Lennons "How do you sleep?"
This is about Let Me Roll in, not ADITL
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Its John. Paul sounds like Paul on "Let Me Roll It", the only reason anyone would think he sounds like John is because, yes, it was an ode to John and Paul used reverb on his voice and then there's the pseudo-Primal Scream at the end. If you think his voice sounds like John, not the reverb imitation, you've got a hearing impediment. Get those ears checked boy.
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Yeah, I just listened to 'Let Me Roll It' and I found no similarity between Paul and Johns voice. Its Paul. Regardless of why he wrote it or intended,,,there aint no John in it.
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Yeah, I just listened to 'Let Me Roll It' and I found no similarity between Paul and Johns voice. Its Paul. Regardless of why he wrote it or intended,,,there aint no John in it.
It was a p*ss take for goodness sake!
Of course it sounds like Paul-it is Paul.
I don't think it warrants too much critical analysis :)
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I have always believed it was John. Until recently, when it turns out to have been Paul (finishing his middle part). Amazing how like each other these two could sound.
You can't remember recent proof m.c.?
For me it's John unless you can really come up with something.
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It's amazing how things like this get a roll on so FAST on internet forums. Someone comes along with a suggestion out of left field (like Mr C did here), and some people immediately believe it!
The arhhh in ADITL sounds to my ears (& lotsa others') like John. Some think it sounds like Paul. And the world keeps on revolving!
On Let Me Roll It, it sounds to my ears like Paul throughout.
Some people love to stretch.
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It's amazing how things like this get a roll on so FAST on internet forums. Someone comes along with a suggestion out of left field (like Mr C did here), and some people immediately believe it!
The arhhh in ADITL sounds to my ears (& lotsa others') like John. Some think it sounds like Paul. And the world keeps on revolving!
On Let Me Roll It, it sounds to my ears like Paul throughout.
Some people love to stretch.
Pardon me while I extend a gentle f*** you to you.
I admitted I had no proof (yet), and that this is not MY contention but is one of those Beatle controversies that has been going on a long time.
Until YOU provide proof that it is John you offer no more than your own mere opinion.
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Its John.
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Didn't Paul deliberately record it to sound like john (the piano and vocal intro is a dig at Mother from POB, and its even got its own "primal scream" at the end.
It was Pauls' gentemanly response to Lennons "How do you sleep?"
That was always assumed. Paul has since denied it, which is too bad. It's a nice thought.
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Yeah, I just listened to 'Let Me Roll It' and I found no similarity between Paul and Johns voice. Its Paul. Regardless of why he wrote it or intended,,,there aint no John in it.
Well, tk, you'd be wrong. Sorry. But Paul gets asked this question constantly, and tho he denies it was meant to be anything to do with John. the fact is enough people have assumed so over the decades because it uses his guitar and vocal and arrangement stylings.
It IS Paul doing John. Too much evidence against it being just a fluke.
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It was a p*ss take for goodness sake!
Of course it sounds like Paul-it is Paul.
I don't think it warrants too much critical analysis :)
Must be great to be so self-aware.
No one has any proof about that song or ADITL. Paul says it wasn't him doing John, so that is a sort of proof. But so is John's voice, guitar, lead and primal scream coming out of the speakers.
Blow it off if you wish, but this is not a Paul Is Dead whackjob conspiracy theory. He clearly was doing John. I cannot prove it, but neither can you.
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You can't remember recent proof m.c.?
For me it's John unless you can really come up with something.
Fine.
Prove it's John.
What are you going by, your ears? That's pretty much all ANYone has to go by.
No, I have not realy researched to see if I can re-find the reasons why I was convinced it was not John after so many years. But it was compelling enough for me to admit I was wrong.
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Fine.
Prove it's John.
What are you going by, your ears? That's pretty much all ANYone has to go by.
No, I have not realy researched to see if I can re-find the reasons why I was convinced it was not John after so many years. But it was compelling enough for me to admit I was wrong.
Yeah, m.c., I do tend to use my ears when listening to music.
You said yourself for years and years you thought it was John so I suppose you have ears too.And you can't remember what made you change your mind.
You're going against the grain so it's up to you to prove it's Paul.
Too bad if you can't.
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Just write a fanletter to Paul and ask him if he sang that part in A Day in the Life.
;)
I've never heard 'Let Me Roll It' (except maybe on the 'Back in the U.S.' DVD) but I always believed that John sang that part in A Day in the Life. (Counting on my ears)
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I've got something to say (again):
Compare Lovely Rita (the beginning) with A Day in the Life...really weird.
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You're wrong on many counts.
1.) It IS Paul. Get used to it.
2.) Paul claims it was not an ode, a peace pipe nor a rip of John.
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No. 1)
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Yeah, m.c., I do tend to use my ears when listening to music.
** What I simply meant was that we all hear things differently, and none of us can use that as proof. I wasn't meaning to insult you.
You said yourself for years and years you thought it was John so I suppose you have ears too.And you can't remember what made you change your mind.
**Which is entirely my own problem, agreed.
You're going against the grain so it's up to you to prove it's Paul.
**There IS no 'grain'. It's a 50 50 proposition.
Too bad if you can't.
**Again, I agree. If I felt compelled enough I would knock myself out to find the proof. Frankly I just don't care what anyone else wants to believe. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong but nothing is going to change the Truth, whether I want it to be one way or not. Someone will find something definitive and that will be that. Until then, your ears are as good as anyone else's.
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Look tk and most others: I do apologize for the briskness of my replies, it wasn't meant. To you.
This isn't MY 'theory'. I held the same thoughts as many of you. The fact is that I simply tossed it out there, because the question was asked. I was shown proof in a forum that is -far- more scholarly and plugged into Beatle stuff than this place. Not a put-down, I like it here. Just a fact.
But there is no reason for you to take MY word for it. Think what you wish to. Should I stumble upon the proof I will present it. If I don't, then all you have is my word which, frankly, I wouldn't take either if it were someone else.
For those who want to be dicks I can do that, no prob. All day long if that's what you want.
But my replies WERE too "this is it get used to it" cocky and I apologize for that, at least to those who did not respond to me in that manner. I was in fact replying to the few who could not simply express their opinion without denigrating what I had said.
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**And I couldn't care less about your suggestion.
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No, but I won't swing at these pitches in the dirt. You do enough damage to yourself with your posts, and I am comfortable with the fact that there are self-righteous wimps that hide behind a keyboard like yourself. I think my first post here was giving a positive review of the 'Every Little Thing' compilation. Your reply? That it was probably a sales pitch for something I was selling, which I wasn't. Why? Because you enjoy being a cyber-hemmorhoid. So be it. Must have been 52 tough years and you should take your quote to heart, my friend, you are spoiling the party, so go. Kiss Kiss.
LOL...whatever, "junior". Stay comfortable. I am neither a wimp, self-righteous nor hiding, let alone from someone like you.
Fact: My reply was that it was probably a sales pitch BUT yes, it was an excellent compilation. If you've been on the Internet for more than ten minutes you've seen all these breathless pitches attached to an ebay link. Guess you're a bit thin-skinned enough to have missed that bit.
I also marvel at the fact that you now apparently feel you speak for the entire "party"?
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Hey man, I believe you were here before, and left. You came back - why? To hear you talk, it was to save this board from the nasty Dirk.
So who is going to save it from the nasty Mr Charlie? Are you the same "Mister Charlie" that has thrown his weight around on rmb for a long time? It sure sounds like the same cocky rudeness!
I'm wondering if in real life, you are a short man with "small-man syndrome"? No, I'm wrong there. I know what you are ...
The fact is that I simply tossed it out there, because the question was asked.
...a TOSSER! ;D
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Hey man, I believe you were here before, and left. You came back - why? To hear you talk, it was to save this board from the nasty Dirk.
So who is going to save it from the nasty Mr Charlie? Are you the same "Mister Charlie" that has thrown his weight around on rmb for a long time? It sure sounds like the same cocky rudeness!
I'm wondering if in real life, you are a short man with "small-man syndrome"? No, I'm wrong there. I know what you are ...
...a TOSSER! ;D
Hi "Maria" !! <waves> :D
I am indeed working quietly to attempt to slap some sense into dirkless. Just because you have a log up your ass has nothing to do with MY "nasty" quotient.
But nice try. *yawn*
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Hi "Maria" !!
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And here you are bringing more on topic wit and wisdom with you.
Nice try, troll, but you don't know squat, about me, Beatles OR rmb.
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How's ya love life, Charlie? LOL!
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Pretty good at the moment. Not that it's any of your business. Unless you're coming on to me, and frankly, "Maria", I am not interested. Stick with the animals (especially since you can't flame worth sh*t)...
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Nah, don't believe you mate. You act like someone who is a loser in the relationship game.
And what's with this Maria coming on to you stuff? I don't follow that - but yes I do - it's all you have left: a fantasy. LOL!
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And you act like a straight ahead loser.
Not Maria, huh? Right. Tell you what, stop coming on to me, as I only date within my own species.
As to answering your every laughable post, I'm through for now.
But I can see that you chose tosser due to your massive experience in it.
(LOFL!)
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And you act like a straight ahead loser.
But I can see that you chose tosser due to your massive experience in it.
(LOFL!)
There's a ring of desperation about these taunts. Using insults already used by your opponent (tosser, loser) always sound hollow.
You're much more impressive when you branch out: I liked this one Tell you what, stop coming on to me, as I only date within my own species, as it is sort-of original. The trouble is, you left me the opportunity to point out that the taunt doesn't quite work, as I could still be the human, and you a member of a sub-humanoid species. And of course, no well-adjusted person could interpret anything I said as "coming onto you". Your attempted insult is a double rebound back at you!
If you like, you can take my correspondence course in presenting yourself to best advantage on the internet. You need it! LOL!
Lastly, are you really through for now? Bet you can't resist trying to have the last word.
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Tim Riley, p. 127, Tell Me Why, a song by song dissection of the Beatles catalog. He states Paul is the one singing. While the book has some errors (as every single Beatle book does) it is generally a respected and well thought of tome.
This was not what had convinced me tho, I have still been unable to root that out. There is an amazing lack of evidence on this by all of the authors who would normally trot out the info, perhaps because it is assumed everyone already knows. Or perhaps it is assumed that no one really knows. At least one other author (who escapes me at the moment) says it is John.
SO there is less hard evidence and more ambiguity to this then I remembered. So I apologize to all for my hard-assed attitude about it. Although that was prompted by Ydoll's asinine remarks and then set the tone for my defensiveness, the bottom line is I cannot come up with the goods (beyond the above) so it will forever be a take it or leave it proposition.
However consider that Paul had the middle bit, they needed a transition to bring them back to the right key for the last verse, and what they came up with is simple but brilliant. And that Paul is singing about going into a dream and then a dream-like passage follows back into John's bit. It just makes sense, as they only had 4 tracks to play with, that this was him singing as continuing the lyric and his bit and then spliced onto John's final verse. At least to me.
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I knew you wouldn't be able to resist having the last word! Nice!
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Its John.
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Sounds to me like it
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sounds like Paul...though I always thought it was John...but I took a careful listen, and it sounds like Paul
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I thought it was John
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I knew you wouldn't be able to resist having the last word! Nice!
It wasn't addressed to you nor was it a reply to your troll.
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Its John.
Prove it.
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we have no proof, just 100% sure opinions...who knows, it could have been Yoko
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Do they explain it in the anthology or an interview?
and dont think I actually thought it was Yoko, i was trying to say we have no proof, as of right now
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Prove it.
Here you go, my pretentious hemorrhoid:
http://www.applecorp.com/aditl/analysis.htm
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I can't believe that this one part of the song has rendered 4 pages of discussion. The vocal is so clearly John, I don't understand the gray area. I hope the above post helps, but me thinks there will be dissenters no matter what is presented. So be it. The defense rests...
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charlie ist eben taub oder bl
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"charlie is evenly deaf or bl?d"
And you are evenly stupid... in equal measure!
Thank you--that graphic was a bit much to say the least.
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I was going to say who I thought it was but why get myself involved in this sh*t.
It's Ringo! :D
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Here you go, my pretentious hemorrhoid:
[url]http://www.applecorp.com/aditl/analysis.htm[/url]
Not proof. AN opinion.
I already said in my research that I found one respected author who said it was Paul, another (Timothy White I believe) who thought it was John, and everyone else major has nothing to say about it. I never heard of your author here, but Tim Riley's book is well-known.
So take the burr out of your ass, you jerk. You've proved nothing except what an immature and self-righteous hypocrite you are.
(For the record my post was meant to illuminate, explain, make right where I was wrong. All you and the other troll Ydoll wanted to do was fight. 'The defense rests' my ass.)
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You've lost the plot Charlie. You came in flailing, and looked a bit silly very fast.
All this abuse and bad language doesn't do you any good at all. But keep it up, if you want to, as it is very amusing - a total giggle.
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You've lost the plot Charlie. You came in flailing, and looked a bit silly very fast.
All this abuse and bad language doesn't do you any good at all. But keep it up, if you want to, as it is very amusing - a total giggle.
Only girls giggle, "mate".
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There there, pumpkin, take a deep breath and a Midol and you'll be okay. You start these arguments and then blame others for wanting to fight. You wanted proof, I gave you proof. That link has everything about the song, down to each musician. No need to get your panties in a ruffle, why not relax with a nice tall vinegar and water. Its only a song after all and sometimes you have to admit you're wrong. Kiss Kiss and all's well.
Good Lord, "junior", go back to being a prig.
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I've got something to say (again):
Compare Lovely Rita (the beginning) with A Day in the Life...really weird.
Excellent point, and one that was also pointed out in one of the books I was looking at. I never thought to link the two together.
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No, but I won't swing at these pitches in the dirt.
*WHIFF!
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There was -two- posts to your one, Sunny Jim. But please, keep talking all girly and all. And showing how little grasp on facts you actually have, since you canot even count.
It was Paul, numbnuts.
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why cant we be friends, why cant we be friends, why cant we be friends, why cant we be friends....
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"Life is very short, and theres no tiiimme for fussing and fighting my friends"
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I think John said it best (and also sang that part in 'A Day In The Life'):
"I
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All i want is the truth, just gimme some truth
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Imagine all the people
not having so many bloody flame-wars on this forum ... living liiiiiiiife in peace.
Um, it sounds like John to me -- could be Paul, though.
:O Could it be both?
...meh.
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Imagine all the people not having so many bloody flame-wars on this forum ... living liiiiiiiife in peace.
I salute you!
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[quote=Mr_Charlie since you canot even count.
At least I can spell. I'm done with this waste of space. Next topic please.
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Oooohh, a typo flame! Does it GET any lamer?
(Wait...two responses to my one? Hmmm....junior's thin skin hypocrisy is showing again!)
John was singing all about little martinets like you, "junior". Funny you should have quoted him.
Meh is right. Self-important pricks like junior here are hardly worth trashing a forum for.
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Personally, I think it is quite obvious that it is John singing, directly after hearing Paul - I don't know how you can overlook the contrast.
I don't know what's wrong with all you people. Not only do you get into an argument over who sang a line in a song, you end up insulting each other. Get a grip, would you? It's just pathetic.
John Lennon would be ashamed...
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And so would George.
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a day in the life is the best beatles song
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And so would George.
Really? Neither John nor George were some kind of asaint that I would try and follow.
You obviously do not remember 1969-1971. The bitterest arguments, and in public, came from John.
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Going back and forth like this is interesting (for a while at least). People should know that Mr Charlie has made a huge habit of this sort of abuse on rmb for quite a long while. (Assuming that the Mr C here is the same as the original mister charlie on rmb.) He sees himself as a paragon of common sense, and takes it on himself to castigate and rouse on those he takes exception to. Several people give it right back to him, as they find his attempts at bullying and haranging tedious and often offensive.
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people always say A Day In The Life is the only song that makes Sgt Pepper...i think every song does
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my question is why this is a sticky to "Selling Buying and Exchanging"
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This thread WAS locked.
SO who moved it? And why? Not enough trouble around here?
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It wasnt me, but i'm locking it again. I've never moved a thread or tried to so i'm going to let this one die here unless the mover or somebody can/will move it.
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i did it........