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Re: Hero?
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2007, 12:44:13 AM »

Okay, I'd like to clarify something since it seems that what I'm teaching these children or what teachers in general are teaching is being questioned. You do not know the context in which this assignment was given or what came before it and will come after. Part of our curriculum is to teach heroes. Different types of heroes. Everyday heroes, American heroes, and so on. We spend a lot of time talking about heroes in every day life. They get this every year by the way. People in our community that make a difference, people in our country, people in our world.  You have to start simple with the little ones. Often with good old mom and dad. Anyway, by the time we get to this book report, we have discussed and learned about many kinds of heroes. Complete with field trips and guest speakers and so on. We wrote biographies on Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King this month. We're discussing Lincoln and Washington and will write about them this month as well. Each month we talk about people who have done great things. So I think they have some idea of what a hero is at this point. Believe it or not, they're pretty bright at this age. MOST of them did NOT go for fame over character. One kid even made a joke and asked if he could do Brittany Spears. They all burst out laughing at that one. So guess what, they know. Of course there were a few that waned to do people just because they were famous, but that lead into a great discussion about what makes a hero and if those certain people really deserved to be recognized as heroes. Even within our discussions you could see that hero meant different things to different people and I thought it was great that they could see that.

Now, as for my part in it. I am not telling them who they can and cannot do. I am not a dictator. I can only guide them. They do need guidance you know. I'm not gonna let Coby Bryant or Hulk Hogan slip through though. I'm sorry. But all I do is try to get them to tell me why the person is heroic and discuss others who without a doubt are and see if they actually think the person they chose was heroic or not. Usually they see the difference. If that makes sense. I don't just say NO. We had three or four good discussions on this and we're still going to talk about it because it's ongoing. That's called the learning process. That's how us teachers DO end up teaching them about all those things you were concerned about. What happens to them as teenagers and why they end up idolizing the rich and famous is beyond me. I'm doing my part.

As for John. Yes, he is debatable. You can see right here on this forum that people are split on this issue. People at my school are split on it as well. So obviously there's something there to discuss. Which is what my kids are seeing. Good for them. The kid that picked him needs to make a case, even to me a huge Beatles fan, and I think that's a great learning experience. If they wanted to make a case for Hulk Hogan, I'd listen too. They just didn't want to. The kid went with Mohammad Ali instead. This is what makes it fun for them. And myself as well. It's real life. People don't always agree do they? I don't agree with your assessment of Lennon. I don't see how being privileged has anything to do with it. He still didn't have to go out of his way to do anything but he did. And he's more of a folk hero. Like I said, there are different degrees of hero. He brought about an awareness though his music and words. He continues to inspire people and so on. I'm getting burnt out so I'm not going to go on about why I think he qualifies as hero. But my students do now know there are people on both sides of the fence about this man. They know that whatever makes a hero isn
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Re: Hero?
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2007, 03:33:07 AM »

It's interesting you should mention this whole thing because last year my English class had an assignment to write a project about a rebel. They gave us a huge list of suggestion, but we were also allowed to pick whoever we wanted (if the teacher agreed). I almost went for James Dean, but I ended up choosing Joan Baez (she was on the list too! Who woulda thunk!).
However, many people chose political figures like Martin Luther King Jr. and Pierre Treadeau (sp). I think it's good to have anyone you look up to. Some people look up to their parents. I don't really look up to mine, but even if someone isn't perfect, that doesn't mean you shouldn't admire them. I mean, even if that person has only a few admirable aspects about them at least their admirers will aspire to those things. I'm sure whoever admires John does it because of his music and political activism, not because of his drug habits or the way he treated his women.
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Re: Hero?
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2007, 03:37:41 AM »

sandra, bravo.
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Re: Hero?
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2007, 03:42:25 AM »

Haha, I was right about the Mohammad Ali thing. Go me. (grin)
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Re: Hero?
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2007, 07:14:42 AM »

I have to speak up now. Why is Mohammad Ali even mentioned as a hero? Because he has a disease? Because he was a boxer? I'm just not seeing this.

In my opinion he's a criminal. He dodged the draft and fooled society into accepting it. Terrible example of a hero in my opinion.

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Re: Hero?
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2007, 06:35:22 PM »

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I have to speak up now. Why is Mohammad Ali even mentioned as a hero? Because he has a disease? Because he was a boxer? I'm just not seeing this.

In my opinion he's a criminal. He dodged the draft and fooled society into accepting it. Terrible example of a hero in my opinion.

I would not fight for a country that had me segregated though....Sorry TK.

Could Ghandi be one for peaceful revolt instead of bloodshed?

Theres no heroes anyway imo. They are all characters that have done something good that are there as benchmarks for us all to aspire too? Depends on whose side your own...One persons hero is anothers enemy etc etc....It's all very debateable.

Also there are classifications of hero...Guitar hero, Soccer hero, Political hero etc etc. Mainly all bullsh*t!
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2007, 06:48:51 PM »

Remember the song by M People? 'Look for the hero inside yourself...'
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2007, 09:17:54 PM »

There have been very few heroes in history: Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, and possibly Princess Diana.
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Re: Hero?
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2007, 09:25:08 PM »

What about Johnny Unitas?!

Wikipedia: "In The Simpsons episode "Mother Simpson" (first aired November 19, 1995), Abe Simpson says "Now, Johnny Unitas ... there's a haircut you could set your watch to!" when comparing Joe Namath's hair to Unitas' trademark flattop."

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2007, 10:13:06 PM »

I suppose it's all about personal heroes really. A lot of people don't care about Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela, and Princess Diana. Jonny Unitas is no doubt a hero for some or many. Depends on your feelings. But I go back to the point made earlier by Blue Meanie that the real heroes are people who really bend over backwards for others. Like those who study medicine and then go and work for Medicins San Frontiers. I respect those a lot.
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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2007, 11:38:52 PM »

Princess Diana my ass. She was a useless clothes horse and a publicity whore to boot. She may have done work with landmines and AIDS but it was mostly for publicity... there are even tapes of her admitting to this basically.

Seriously, don't even get me started on that woman.
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2007, 11:55:03 PM »

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Re: Hero?
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2007, 12:01:20 AM »

Hero is one of those words that, like "Justice" and "Freedom", means something different to everyone. If one of your students chooses to right an essay on John (or Hitler, for that matter) as a hero, well, it's correct, because hero is not a term with a solid definition for everyone.
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2007, 12:07:27 AM »

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I would not fight for a country that had me segregated though....Sorry TK.


Then he should have left and stayed gone.

Also, regardless of what a person feels, they dont have a choice if they are drafted. He got of lucky.

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Re: Hero?
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2007, 12:09:32 AM »

A hero is someone who stand up for what they believe in.
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2007, 12:11:25 AM »

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A hero is someone who stand up for what they believe in.

To you, maybe, and I happen to concur. But...

Some people might say it takes a hero to back off every now and again and not pick a fight (I wouldn't but I'm just saying).
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2007, 12:16:32 AM »

To clarify, it does depend on what it is you're standing up for. Sorry tk but I think that draft is a terrible thing and Ali was justified to object. If everyone did what their country told them to it would be like Hitler's Germany.  
There is a refugee family in my area from Sierra-Lyone and when they watched a political satire on TV one night they were shocked because in their country you could never say things like that. You could be killed for it. Is that what the States and Canada should aspire to be? A bunch of robot? No, freedom of political expression is a very important thing and I'm surprised that you would even question it.


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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2007, 12:18:55 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2007, 12:19:38 AM »

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To clarify, it does depend on what it is you're standing up for. Sorry tk but I think that draft is a terrible thing and Ali was justified to object. If everyone did what their country told them to it would be like Hitler's Germany.  
There is a refugee family in my area from Sierra-Lyone and when they watched a political satire on TV one night they were shocked because in their country you could never say things like that. You could be killed for it. Is that what the States and Canada should aspire to be? A bunch of robot? No, freedom of political expression is a very important thing and I'm surprised that you would even question it.


 

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I still think your definition of Hero is a bit to self-certain.

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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2007, 12:24:13 AM »

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He was drafted and refused to go. Thats a criminal offense. he should be locked up to this day in my opinion. Actually, he had no right to object. He lived in this country and this country's government drafted him into their military. He refused and he should have been locked up or worse. Again, he got off easy due to his celebrity figure. Normal people got locked up and looked down upon for the same thing. Hero my ass.

Not all laws should be followed. It was once a law that women couldn't vote. It was once a law that blacks and whites were segregated. Etc etc.
The United States is a democracy, not a dictatorship.

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