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Title: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: nimrod on February 11, 2012, 12:00:49 AM
some people are completely evil;

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/covert-evidence-of-cruelty-halts-abattoir-20120209-1rx7w.html (http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/covert-evidence-of-cruelty-halts-abattoir-20120209-1rx7w.html)
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: In My Life on February 11, 2012, 08:11:48 AM
some people are completely evil;

[url]http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/covert-evidence-of-cruelty-halts-abattoir-20120209-1rx7w.html[/url] ([url]http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/covert-evidence-of-cruelty-halts-abattoir-20120209-1rx7w.html[/url])


I can't bring myself to watch stuff like this but I don't need to to agree with your statement. It probably costs more money to do things the humane way.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Klang on February 11, 2012, 12:17:04 PM

I went veggie because of this very type of thing. Just saying.

 :-\

Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on February 11, 2012, 02:09:39 PM
My son and I hunt and eat the deer that we kill but sometimes that even gets to me when you dont get them with a good clean shot. I hate to see animals suffer, but I cant ever see myself going vegetarian. Shameful as it is, when I eat a burger or a steak, I just dont think about the mass slaughtering. Just being truthful.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Badgirl66 on February 11, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
i was 5 years a butcher in a slaughterhouse. ;sorry
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: nimrod on February 12, 2012, 12:05:52 AM
i was 5 years a butcher in a slaughterhouse. ;sorry

the trouble is Badgirl you seem to get the odd psycho working in these places who decides to take matters into his own evil hands

very sad, I hope the place gets shut down forever

Klang, I admire your conviction.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Klang on February 12, 2012, 09:15:27 AM
Klang, I admire your conviction.

Thanks much, but I have to credit my wife with having the real conviction. When we got together a few years ago I was a meat eater, but her conviction to take no part in that, because of her love and respect for all living things, moved me to go along with it.

I have no regrets. My mouth waters for a juicy steak from time to time, but not that often. There are lots of veggie based substitutes available that have meaty flavors. Surprisingly good ones. The transition isn't that difficult to make.

To each their own. It's a personal choice.

 roll:)

Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: In My Life on February 13, 2012, 05:08:25 AM
There are lots of veggie based substitutes available that have meaty flavors. Surprisingly good ones. 

Even though I'm not a vegetarian I actually prefer veggie burgers. If I took the time to do some research I am sure I could adapt to living without meat.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Dmitry on February 13, 2012, 08:39:14 AM
What about me, I cannot not only eat meat but even smell it and see these red pieces of carcasses in the stores :-X
However, very rarely I eat fish or chicken. I just cannot stand meat of the mammal. Without success I was trying to tell my relatives what they eat and to show them movies… The one good thing is that my wife almost do not eat meat because I do not ask her to cook it, and she do not want to cook just for herself  ;yes
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Joost on February 13, 2012, 10:09:50 AM
It probably costs more money to do things the humane way.

Personally, I don't think there is a "humane" way to produce meat. I think that killing a living creature is never humane, no matter how well you treat it. To produce food in a truely humane way, completely vegetarian, would actually be quite a bit cheaper. I've been told that it takes about 10 pounds of crops to produce a pound of meat.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on February 14, 2012, 03:57:07 AM
I just saw this and couldnt help myself. I laughed.  ha2ha

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/418157_372283716130568_322277461131194_1447434_602050277_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Gary910 on February 14, 2012, 04:52:02 AM
I have been a Vegetarian for about 20 years now. There probably is not a joke I haven't heard.

I had wanted to vegetarian for a long time previously, but it was a Club Sandwich (Paul's Fun Club Magazine, at the time) had Paul and Linda touting vegetarianism. I read about all of the cruelty that goes on, and I couldn't bear it, so I decided I would try for a week or two and see how it went. Here I am some 20+ years later.

I can see situations where it is necessary to eat meat. Almost two years ago, I took a trip to Alaska and we drove through areas where it would be very difficult to farm sufficiently to feed yourself. Don't get me wrong, there is a surprising amount of farming that goes on in Alaska, but wildlife is sustenance.

So I am not against eating an animal, I just feel strongly that the animal should be killed humanely. The slaughterhouses are horrible places. The animals scream before they go in, as they smell the blood, and they get scared.

Hunting for food may be necessary.

I encourage anyone to become a vegetarian. I have probably saved a lot of animals.

Paul encourages "Meat Free Monday". So if you could only do it for one day a week, it would be good.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Joost on February 14, 2012, 08:28:13 AM
I have probably saved a lot of animals.

You have. In America, the average meat eater is responsible for the death of about 90 animals per year.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Gary910 on February 14, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
You have. In America, the average meat eater is responsible for the death of about 90 animals per year.

Then over 20 years that is what, 1800 animals...
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: peterbell1 on February 14, 2012, 09:40:21 PM
I have been a Vegetarian for about 20 years now. There probably is not a joke I haven't heard.

I had wanted to vegetarian for a long time previously, but it was a Club Sandwich (Paul's Fun Club Magazine, at the time) had Paul and Linda touting vegetarianism. I read about all of the cruelty that goes on, and I couldn't bear it, so I decided I would try for a week or two and see how it went. Here I am some 20+ years later.

I can see situations where it is necessary to eat meat. Almost two years ago, I took a trip to Alaska and we drove through areas where it would be very difficult to farm sufficiently to feed yourself. Don't get me wrong, there is a surprising amount of farming that goes on in Alaska, but wildlife is sustenance.

So I am not against eating an animal, I just feel strongly that the animal should be killed humanely. The slaughterhouses are horrible places. The animals scream before they go in, as they smell the blood, and they get scared.

Hunting for food may be necessary.

I encourage anyone to become a vegetarian. I have probably saved a lot of animals.

Paul encourages "Meat Free Monday". So if you could only do it for one day a week, it would be good.

A very similar story to mine, Gary910.

I think I became vegetarian about 16 years ago - and it was the cruelty associated with keeping and slaughtering the animals that turned me off meat. I know humans are designed to eat meat, but I just don't like the way animals are treated.
My wife and kids are all vegetarian too. If my children ever came to me and said they wanted to eat meat then I wouldn't stop them as it's their choice to make not mine, but I'm happy to say that both are very anti, and won't go anywhere near places like McDonalds. They're very fit, happy and healthy kids too, which is a bonus!

As with many things in life, it's an individual choice, so I would never look down my nose at a meat-eater and would expect the same courtesy back.

PS. I didn't even click on the link in the original post - just reading the title in the link put me off!
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: nimrod on February 14, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Personally I think Gary & Peter have a great attitude to the subject, poor Dmitry is deprived and Todd is a major cause for concern  ha2ha
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Gary910 on February 15, 2012, 02:47:05 AM
Todd is just a major cause for concern on every front...  ha2ha
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on February 15, 2012, 05:48:20 AM
Why wont you guys be nice? (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif)
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Joost on February 15, 2012, 07:55:04 AM
I think I became vegetarian about 16 years ago - and it was the cruelty associated with keeping and slaughtering the animals that turned me off meat.
I've been a vegetarian for about 9 years now. For me it was mostly the idea that living creatures were dying for me, and I didn't like that. I just didn't want to be responsible for anyone's or anything's premature death. I read a quote from George Bernard Shaw in which he called meat eaters "living graves" and that did it for me.

I know humans are designed to eat meat
I disagree. Meat eating animals just need their claws and teeth to kill and eat their prey. We need guns, knives, fire and pans. If we'd only have our bare hands and teeth like all the carnivores and omnivores, we probably wouldn't be eating a whole lot of meat. ;)

As with many things in life, it's an individual choice, so I would never look down my nose at a meat-eater and would expect the same courtesy back.
Amen.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Dmitry on February 15, 2012, 08:13:35 AM
Why wont you guys be nice? ([url]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif[/url])


I am nice with "living graves"  :)
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on February 15, 2012, 09:33:07 AM
I am nice with "living graves"  :)


Come on 'D', where's your spirit man?

Bacon rant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM2cVaTT1Jk#)

 ;D
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Gary910 on February 15, 2012, 03:32:30 PM

I know humans are designed to eat meat, but I just don't like the way animals are treated.


Actually we are not designed to eat meat. We have long digestive tracts that are designed to break down fibrous plants. A dog (as an example of a 'designed carnivore') on the other hand has a short digestive tract that is designed to get the nutrients out of the meat and rid itself of the waste before it putrefies. Vegetation breaks down differently than flesh.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: peterbell1 on February 15, 2012, 04:37:37 PM
Actually we are not designed to eat meat. We have long digestive tracts that are designed to break down fibrous plants. A dog (as an example of a 'designed carnivore') on the other hand has a short digestive tract that is designed to get the nutrients out of the meat and rid itself of the waste before it putrefies. Vegetation breaks down differently than flesh.

I thought humans were omnivores, so we have canine teeth - like dogs etc - so that we can rip meat, but we also have the longer intestine which allows us to break down plant-based foods.
I also thought that part of the reason why we as a species have been so successful has been our ability to adapt to different environments and eat what is available to us depending on the location/season etc.
It's all very different today, though, with agriculture having taken over from the hunter/gatherer lifestyle, and foodstuffs imported from all over the world, so there is no need to eat meat if we don't want to.

I'm no expert on diet or human development or whatever though - so I may be wrong.  :)
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: nimrod on February 15, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
Actually we are not designed to eat meat. We have long digestive tracts that are designed to break down fibrous plants. A dog (as an example of a 'designed carnivore') on the other hand has a short digestive tract that is designed to get the nutrients out of the meat and rid itself of the waste before it putrefies. Vegetation breaks down differently than flesh.

but when the white man invaded America & Australia the natives (who still lived as they had for thousands of years) lived primarily by killing animals
Title: going vegan is easy and good for the animals, the earth and the environment
Post by: 7 of 13 on July 07, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
Backwards Hamburger (2006) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U7w92UW52E#)

Rory Freedman (Skinny b****) 5 reasons to go vegan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THYcAArO8Zc#ws)
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on July 08, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Are you a vegetarian 7 of 13?
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: 7 of 13 on July 09, 2012, 03:46:07 AM
Are you a vegetarian 7 of 13?
yes i am tkitna. you probably don't want to be bored with the important details
but this is the first animal abuse or animal experiment video that i was able to watch completely. FYI  this took approximately eight or nine attempts over several days : http://bit.ly/H2enrH (http://bit.ly/H2enrH)
this webpage : http://bit.ly/MU7uzV (http://bit.ly/MU7uzV)
and this from the Tribe of Heart (http://www.tribeofheart.org/) :

Preview of The Witness: A Tribe of Heart Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gv0y1qYx1w#)

Meth-Addled Sheep Shocked With Tasers (http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/tags/taser/default.aspx) or http://bit.ly/bDk1db (http://bit.ly/bDk1db)
when i first started surfing the internet, i was horrified to learn what vivisection was, i thought it was some precise medical term. i had no idea it applied to animals and what is basically a sugar coated definition, for what is loosely termed as animal research.  >:(
i was lacto-ovo-dummy vegetarian for 3 1/2 years, ate fish occasionally,  a common nutritional myth,  before i became vegan. i fell for the happy cows myth, it completely saddens me to this day.

that's the short and sweet answer.
 ;yes
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on July 09, 2012, 09:36:07 AM
yes i am tkitna.

Shocking.

Quote
that's the short and sweet answer.
 ;yes

Glad you didnt lay the long version on me.


What are the symptoms of protein deficiency? I have a hunch about something.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: 7 of 13 on July 09, 2012, 06:49:35 PM
tkitna please. i am no longer going to respond to your dull and deficient flamebait commentary.  roll:)
i have been vegan for over 10 years plus 3 1/2 years as a omnivore, though about 97% of my food intake was lacto-ovo vegetarian.
so yeah the casual and indifferent industrial strength disinformation know as the protein myth is a non-starter. trust me.
protein myth PCRM : http://bit.ly/ybjQA2 (http://bit.ly/ybjQA2)
you don't seem to get it, you have made a second career hiding behind bogus non sequiturs and irresponsible and exceedingly pointless commentary.
if it's all the same to you stay in your psycho-enriched "cornfed" dreamworld.

Reasons To Go Vegan - Reason #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKnV7S8vBDY#ws)

Preview for Peaceable Kingdom: The Journey Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFqRCc08V6k#)
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on July 09, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Just as I suspected.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Joost on July 10, 2012, 08:59:13 AM
I think I just remembered why I don't post here as often anymore as I used to.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on July 10, 2012, 09:45:34 AM
Do tell.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: 7 of 13 on July 10, 2012, 05:38:23 PM
I think I just remembered why I don't post here as often anymore as I used to.
my sweet lord. that's a load of bullocks. such vapid and pointless sermonizing from joost. john lennon Plays The Ukulele "its only love " (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcRuunnDW_4#)

Why Sport Hunting Is Cruel and Unnecessary (http://www.peta.org/issues/wildlife/why-sport-hunting-is-cruel-and-unnecessary.aspx)

"Sport" hunting is a violent form of recreation that has left countless animals maimed, and orphaned animals vulnerable to starvation, exposure, and predation. This activity disrupts natural animal population dynamics and has contributed to the extinction of animal species all over the world, including the Tasmanian tiger and the great auk.

Although less than 5 percent of the U.S. population hunts, hunting is permitted in many wildlife refuges, national forests, and state parks and on other public lands3 where almost half of all hunters slaughter and maim millions of animals every year (by some estimates, poachers kill just as many animals illegally). The vast majority of hunters do not kill for subsistence.

Municipalities and other entities often resort to hunting in an attempt to reduce urban animal populations, but lethal methods never work in the long run and often backfire. When animals are killed or removed, a spike in the food supply results. This causes survivors and newcomers to breed at an accelerated rate—and populations actually increase. The result is a pointless, never-ending, and expensive killing cycle.

Pain and Suffering

Many animals suffer prolonged, painful deaths when they are injured by hunters. Bowhunters often spend hours tracking the blood trails of animals before finding them. Many are never found by hunters. Our office routinely receives reports from upset residents who spot animals wandering around with gunshot wounds or protruding arrows. In cases in which euthanasia is not feasible, weeks can elapse before victims succumb to their injuries. It is also not uncommon for us to hear of wounded animals running wildly onto highways, posing grave risks to commuters.

An estimated 20 percent of foxes who have been wounded by hunters must be shot again to be killed. Ten percent manage to escape, but "starvation is a likely fate" for them, according to one veterinarian. A South Dakota Department of Game, Fish and Parks biologist estimates that more than 3 million wounded ducks go "unretrieved" every year. A British study of deer hunting found that 11 percent of deer who'd been killed by hunters died only after being shot two or more times and that some wounded deer suffered for more than 15 minutes before dying. A member of the Maine Bowhunters Alliance estimates that 50 percent of animals who are shot with crossbows are wounded but not killed. A study of 80 radio-collared white-tailed deer found that of the 22 deer who had been shot with "traditional archery equipment," 11 were wounded but not recovered by hunters.

Hunting disrupts migration and hibernation patterns and destroys families. For animals such as wolves, who mate for life and live in close-knit family units, hunting can devastate entire communities. The stress from which hunted animals suffer can severely compromise their normal eating habits, making it hard for them to store the fat and energy that they need in order to survive the winter. Stress can also cause animals to bound onto roadways, abandon their young, or become weak and succumb to parasites and disease.

Blood-Thirsty and Profit-Driven

To attract more hunters (and their money), federal and state agencies implement programs—often called "wildlife management" or "conservation" programs—that are designed to boost the numbers of "game" species (since killing individuals will prompt surviving animals to breed at an accelerated rate, resulting in more animals in the long run). These programs help to ensure that there are plenty of animals for hunters to kill and, consequently, plenty of revenue from the sale of hunting licenses.

Duck hunters in Louisiana persuaded the state wildlife agency to direct $100,000 a year toward "reduced predator impact," which involved trapping foxes and raccoons so that more duck eggs would hatch, giving hunters more birds to kill. The Ohio Division of Wildlife teamed up with a hunter-organized society to push for clear-cutting (i.e., decimating large tracts of trees) in Wayne National Forest in order to "produce habitat needed by ruffed grouse."

In Alaska, the Department of Fish and Game is trying to increase the number of moose for hunters by "controlling" the wolf and bear populations. Grizzlies and black bears have been moved hundreds of miles away from their homes. Two were shot by hunters within two weeks of their relocation, and others have simply returned to their homes. Wolves have been slaughtered in order to "let the moose population rebound and provide a higher harvest for local hunters." In the early 1990s, a program designed to reduce the wolf population backfired when snares failed to kill victims quickly, and photos of suffering wolves were viewed by an outraged public.

Nature Takes Care of Its Own

The delicate balance of ecosystems ensures their own survival—if they are left unaltered. Natural predators help maintain this balance by killing the sickest and weakest individuals. Hunters, however, kill any animal whose head they would like to hang over the fireplace—including large, healthy animals who are needed to keep the population strong. Elephant poaching is believed to have increased the number of tuskless animals in Africa, and in Canada, hunting has caused bighorn sheep's horn size to fall by 25 percent in the last 40 years—Nature magazine reports that "the effect on the populations' genetics is probably deeper."

Even when unusual natural occurrences cause overpopulation, natural processes work to stabilize the group. Starvation and disease can be tragic, but they are nature's ways of ensuring that healthy, strong animals survive and maintain the strength level of the rest of their herd or group. Shooting an animal because he or she might starve or become sick is arbitrary and destructive.

Not only does hunting jeopardize nature's balance, it also exacerbates other problems. For example, the transfer of captive-bred deer and elk between states for the purpose of hunting is believed to have contributed to the epidemic spread of chronic wasting disease (CWD). As a result, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) has given state wildlife agencies millions of dollars to "manage" deer and elk populations. The fatal neurological illness that affects these animals has been likened to mad cow disease, but the USDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that CWD has no relationship to any similar diseases that affect humans or farmed animals, so the slaughter of deer and elk continues.

Another problem with hunting involves the introduction of exotic "game" animals into the wild. Animals who are released or escape from game ranches often form populations in the wild and are subjected to cruel eradication efforts when they are considered "invasive." For instance, the game ranching (also known as "canned hunting") of boars has caused feral swine colonies to become so pervasive that some states across the U.S. are allowing them to be cruelly gunned down from helicopters.

Canned Cruelty

Most hunting occurs on private land, where laws that protect wildlife are often inapplicable or difficult to enforce. On private lands that are set up as for-profit hunting reserves or game ranches, hunters can pay to kill native and exotic species in "canned hunts." These animals may be native to the area, raised elsewhere and brought in, or purchased from individuals who are trafficking in unwanted or surplus animals from zoos and circuses. They are hunted and killed for the sole purpose of providing hunters with a "trophy."

Canned hunts are becoming big business—there are an estimated 1,000 game preserves in the U.S. Ted Turner, the country's largest private landowner, allows hunters to pay thousands of dollars to kill bison, deer, African antelopes, and turkeys on his 2 million acres.

Most game ranches operate on a "no kill, no pay" policy, so it is in owners' best interests to ensure that clients get what they came for. Owners do this by offering guides who are familiar with animals' locations and habits, permitting the use of dogs, and supplying "feeding stations" that lure unsuspecting animals to food while hunters lie in wait.

Animals on canned-hunting ranches are often accustomed to humans and are usually unable to escape from the enclosures that they are confined to, which range in size from just a few yards to thousands of acres. Many states, including Arizona, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming, have limited or banned canned hunts, but there are no federal laws regulating the practice at this time.

Other Victims

Hunting accidents destroy property and injure or kill horses, cows, dogs, cats, hikers, and other hunters. In 2006, then–Vice President Dick Cheney infamously shot a friend while hunting quail on a canned-hunting preserve. According to the International Hunter Education Association, dozens of deaths and hundreds of injuries are attributed to hunting in the U.S. every year—and that number includes incidents involving only humans. It is an ongoing problem, and one warden explained that "hunters seem unfamiliar with their firearms and do not have enough respect for the damage they can do."

The bears, cougars, deer, foxes, and other animals who are chased, trapped, and even killed by dogs during (sometimes illegal) hunts aren't the only ones to suffer from this variant of the "sport." Dogs used for hunting are often kept chained or penned and are denied routine veterinary care such as vaccines and heartworm medication. Some are lost during hunts and never found, while others are turned loose at the end of hunting season to fend for themselves and possibly die of starvation or get struck by a vehicle.

Wildlife Control in Urban Areas

Municipalities seeking to reduce wildlife population numbers can do so effectively and humanely by implementing an integrated, adaptive approach. Effective wildlife-control plans focus on containing food sources in residential areas and modifying habitat in riparian (wetlands adjacent to a natural waterway) and wildlife corridors.

A key to keeping wildlife populations in balance in urban areas is to ensure that free-roaming, healthy wildlife are never artificially fed. Animals who are artificially fed lose their fear of humans and begin to approach residents (who mistake them for being rabid or aggressive) as well as hunters! Feeding also causes animals to breed at an accelerated rate, resulting in more animals. The more animals you have in a small area, the more likely they will be perceived as overpopulated or as a nuisance, especially when they start to eat flowers, damage gardens, or defecate on sidewalks. Many people and municipalities will quickly resort to killing unwanted animals (using poisons, trappers, and other inhumane methods) in a misguided attempt to get rid of them.

Information for municipalities and other entities about how to control deer humanely in urban areas can be found here, information regarding goose control can be found here, and pigeon-control information can be found here. For our guide to living in harmony with wildlife at your home or business, please visit this page or e-mail PETA at CIDinfo@peta.org.

What You Can Do

Before you support a "wildlife" or "conservation" group, ask about its position on hunting. Groups such as the National Wildlife Federation, the National Audubon Society, the Sierra Club, the Izaak Walton League, The Wilderness Society, and the World Wildlife Fund are pro–sport hunting, or at the very least, they do not oppose it.

To combat hunting in your area, post "no hunting" signs on your land, join or form an anti-hunting organization, protest organized hunts, and spread deer repellent or human hair (from barber shops) near hunting areas. Call 1-800-628-7275 to report poachers in national parks to the National Parks Conservation Association. Educate others about the cruelty associated with hunting. Encourage your legislators to enact or enforce wildlife-protection laws, and insist that nonhunters be equally represented on the staffs of wildlife agencies. Urge agencies to seek revenues through kind, environmentally sound activities, such as wildlife photography, bird watching, hiking, kayaking, camping, and canoeing.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Joost on July 10, 2012, 06:33:36 PM
Do tell.

Well, it's not because of you. Let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Hello Goodbye on July 10, 2012, 07:32:07 PM
tkitna please. i am no longer going to respond to your dull and deficient flamebait commentary.  roll:)

you don't seem to get it, you have made a second career hiding behind bogus non sequiturs and irresponsible and exceedingly pointless commentary.
if it's all the same to you stay in your psycho-enriched "cornfed" dreamworld.

my sweet lord. that's a load of bullocks. such vapid and pointless sermonizing from joost.

7 of 13, is it really necessary for you to repeatedly denigrate everyone in this Forum?  Your endless diatribe is wearing thin.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: Bobber on July 10, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
7 of 13, is it really necessary for you to repeatedly denigrate everyone in this Forum?  Your endless diatribe is wearing thin.

No more credits and too many personal attacks. The man's been banned.
Title: Re: Sometimes I wish I was vegetarian
Post by: tkitna on July 10, 2012, 11:51:37 PM
Well, it's not because of you. Let's just leave it at that.

Cool. I hoped I didnt offend you. If I did, I wanted to offer an apology.