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Re: Beatles as innovators
« Reply #160 on: May 29, 2013, 04:58:28 PM »

Reviving a thread after 2 1/2 years must be a record.

I just read all 8 pages and what a great thread.
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« Reply #161 on: May 29, 2013, 06:13:17 PM »

...what a great thread.

Yeah.  It's groovy!    ;)
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« Reply #162 on: May 29, 2013, 08:46:25 PM »

Reviving a thread after 2 1/2 years must be a record.


I don't know. I think I know almost all essential threads from the last seven years. Honest.
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« Reply #163 on: May 29, 2013, 11:12:34 PM »

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Re: Beatles as innovators
« Reply #164 on: May 30, 2013, 04:37:57 AM »

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Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
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« Reply #165 on: May 30, 2013, 05:12:44 AM »

I don't know. I think I know almost all essential threads from the last seven years. Honest.

It was Paul.

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« Reply #166 on: May 30, 2013, 08:41:27 AM »

It was Paul.



You know because I told you.
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Re: Beatles as innovators
« Reply #167 on: May 31, 2013, 02:38:36 AM »

You know because I told you.

I think you were like four at the time!
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« Reply #168 on: May 31, 2013, 07:18:40 AM »

I think you were like four at the time!

Two. Almost. I knew that by heart.
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« Reply #169 on: June 02, 2013, 12:05:22 AM »

Two. Almost. I knew that by heart.

You were a smart kid.
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« Reply #170 on: September 12, 2017, 10:38:24 AM »

Even P.S. I Love You contained an innovation!

http://www.culturesonar.com/beatles-ps-i-love-you/
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« Reply #171 on: September 12, 2017, 05:13:14 PM »

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He's very enthusiastic about the song but The Beatles were hardly innovative using that cadence.  The Beatles used the Aeolian dominant scale (or "Hindu scale) as demonstrated here...


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsiNpZobqU8" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsiNpZobqU8</a>

3:13 - 3:34



Autumn Leaves is a jazz standard that using this cadence...


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tDQMqlHZt8" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tDQMqlHZt8</a>
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« Reply #172 on: September 12, 2017, 05:36:38 PM »

Just how good, musically, were they?


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Re: Beatles as innovators
« Reply #173 on: September 13, 2017, 05:55:52 AM »

^

He's very enthusiastic about the song but The Beatles were hardly innovative using that cadence.  The Beatles used the Aeolian dominant scale (or "Hindu scale) as demonstrated here...



Autumn Leaves is a jazz standard that using this cadence...




I think that's the most interesting thing as a "maturing" Beatle fan. When you're younger you think their status is all about them being first at something. As if they were producing musical tropes never before heard of, pulled out of some divine ether. When you read more about them and their music you realise that's not the main point. What they were great at was using so many existing musical moves not normally associated with a rock and roll band, certainly not one writing their own material.  And doing it in such a seamless way that it didn't seem forced or draw attention to itself.

So many people put the Beatles musical appeal down to its simplicity. It's more that they actually used a lot of interesting and sophisticated musical ideas while making it sound simple and accessible. Hence why musicologists still analyse them today as opposed to ruminating over Cliff Richard songs of the era.

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« Reply #174 on: September 13, 2017, 07:27:55 AM »

And very necessary to fill up all those long hours in Hamburg and Liverpool. They simply had to pick songs from everywhere and make it their own.
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« Reply #175 on: September 14, 2017, 01:35:54 AM »

And very necessary to fill up all those long hours in Hamburg and Liverpool. They simply had to pick songs from everywhere and make it their own.

Yes. Although that was common to all bands who went to Hamburg. Seems one of the Beatles' differences is that they soaked that all up for writing purposes more so than The Remo Four or Kingsize Taylor.

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« Reply #176 on: September 14, 2017, 04:59:15 AM »

I think that's the most interesting thing as a "maturing" Beatle fan. When you're younger you think their status is all about them being first at something. As if they were producing musical tropes never before heard of, pulled out of some divine ether. When you read more about them and their music you realise that's not the main point. What they were great at was using so many existing musical moves not normally associated with a rock and roll band, certainly not one writing their own material.  And doing it in such a seamless way that it didn't seem forced or draw attention to itself.

So many people put the Beatles musical appeal down to its simplicity. It's more that they actually used a lot of interesting and sophisticated musical ideas while making it sound simple and accessible. Hence why musicologists still analyse them today as opposed to ruminating over Cliff Richard songs of the era.



Well put, Moog.


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