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Beatles forums => The Beatles => Topic started by: Wayne L. on September 08, 2006, 11:55:07 AM
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The young people of today, don't care about the Beatles, don't want to listen to the Beatles & would rather be on the internet. I was reading this article about the documentary The U. S. vs. John Lennon on my favorite Beatles site for the latest news. I think this article is correct, because if you have to explain the 60's, you have to explain the Beatles as well, since it's a long time ago. I know there are probably a few young people who are interested in the Beatles & their impact on rock & roll & pop culture at the time. I'm not expecting thousands, much less millions, because listening to Revolver & Abbey Road is your parents or grandparent's music these days. The young people of today would rather be on the internet downloading their favorite artists like Jessica Simpson, Justin Timberlake & the All American Rejects or their favorite movies & playing games. I wouldn't even doubt it if most of them don't know who John, Paul, George & Ringo are anyway & don't want to know.
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That's unreasonable. Blaming the young people of today for not liking music from the 60s is the same thing as blaming the young people of the 60s for not liking music from the 20s.
And 40 years from now, the music of Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears will be the nostalgic oldies that the people that are young then won't understand. It all keeps on going.
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Oh, and by the way, this is this week's Top Artists Top 10 of LastFM (some sort of online radio station thing that keeps track of the music their users listen to on their computer):
1. Red Hot Chili Peppers
2. Radiohead
3. The Beatles
4. Coldplay
5. Muse
6. Death Cab For Cutie
7. Green Day
8. Nirvana
9. System Of A Down
10. Pink Floyd
This proves that there still are lots of young people listening to the Beatles. I think it's actually pretty amazing since it's already 37 years ago that they called it quits.
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I think this forum is proof enough that younger people listen to the Beatles.
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indeed, i'm one
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Oh, and by the way, this is this week's Top Artists Top 10 of LastFM (some sort of online radio station thing that keeps track of the music their users listen to on their computer):
1. Red Hot Chili Peppers
2. Radiohead
3. The Beatles
4. Coldplay
5. Muse
6. Death Cab For Cutie
7. Green Day
8. Nirvana
9. System Of A Down
10. Pink Floyd
Great top 10! I'm listeting to 7 of them every time :)
I think this forum is proof enough that younger people listen to the Beatles.
I believe I'm not old yet :) Beatles my all time fav since I was born I guess.
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Great top 10! I'm listeting to 7 of them every time :)
I have 8 of them in my CD collection (all except Death Cab For Cutie and System Of A Down).
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I've never even heard of Death Cab For Cutie or Muse. Am I living in a cave or are these new bands?
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Recently Muse became one of my favorite bands. I like their music very much, from their first album in 1999 to the last in this year. Muse is popular in the UK.
http://www.murashev.com/dmdl/artist.php?artist=Muse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse_%28band%29
Death Cab for Cutie I found out recently. Some songs I like but I say in general nothing special.
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there are for sure a lot of young people not interested in the 60s, or not interested in music at all. well, it's teir opinion and i don't blame them, they have other hobbies.
my little sister is 15 years old and as much a beatles-fan as i am, and she asked her classmates if they know the beatles. most of kids never even heard of them... now she's the class-freak.
but i think on the other hand a lot of young people are interested in music, and the i-net is a great way to discover new and old music. a lot of young bands say they're influenced by the beatles, bob dylan or the rolling stones... they are often mentioned and a lot of people want to know more about these bands because of that big influence they had on music today.
and well....some kids just like to be retro ;D
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there are for sure a lot of young people not interested in the 60s, or not interested in music at all. well, it's teir opinion and i don't blame them, they have other hobbies.
my little sister is 15 years old and as much a beatles-fan as i am, and she asked her classmates if they know the beatles. most of kids never even heard of them... now she's the class-freak.
but i think on the other hand a lot of young people are interested in music, and the i-net is a great way to discover new and old music. a lot of young bands say they're influenced by the beatles, bob dylan or the rolling stones... they are often mentioned and a lot of people want to know more about these bands because of that big influence they had on music today.
and well....some kids just like to be retro ;D
Yeah, your opinion is true.
Your poor sister, I was a classfreak too at my age 11... :( it was not trendy to like Beatles, they listened to some kind of New kids sh*t instead :o
Beatles is timeless and unique, and even if there are ppl who dont like them this fact will not change.
I had an arguement on a Hungarian Beatles forum, some a**hole got in and kept saying rude things. I told him to f*** off.
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Yes, when I was 12, I was also the class freak. People thought I was insane for liking the Beatles. Oh well. Their loss.
At any rate, I'd say the beatles are pretty darn popular today for a band that was at its peak 40 years ago. I mean, kids in the '60s didn't listen to music from the 20's that often.
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The young people of today, don't care about the Beatles, don't want to listen to the Beatles & would rather be on the internet. I was reading this article about the documentary The U. S. vs. John Lennon on my favorite Beatles site for the latest news. I think this article is correct, because if you have to explain the 60's, you have to explain the Beatles as well, since it's a long time ago. I know there are probably a few young people who are interested in the Beatles & their impact on rock & roll & pop culture at the time. I'm not expecting thousands, much less millions, because listening to Revolver & Abbey Road is your parents or grandparent's music these days. The young people of today would rather be on the internet downloading their favorite artists like Jessica Simpson, Justin Timberlake & the All American Rejects or their favorite movies & playing games. I wouldn't even doubt it if most of them don't know who John, Paul, George & Ringo are anyway & don't want to know.
hey, i listen to the beatles, i fell in love with them and found this site. i also travel the internet and play games on the computer. ill even blast beatles over the music of the game im playing.
and may god help us all if justin timberlake and jessica simpson ever become nostalgic
wayne, learn some new people to insult the younger generation with. both of those are dead in the music industry, and britney spears, and any boy band that you come up with. i realize you dont listen to the crap that may be on the radio now, but alot of that crap isnt pop singers.
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If you could put fifty young people in your neighborhood between the ages of 12-20 in one room. I wouldn't doubt it if only about ten of them would be into the Beatles & 60's/70's rock in general. I have no need for Simpson(except she looks great) & if you think so about Timberlake somedude210.
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If young people weren't interested in The Beatles this forum probably wouldn't even exist.
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I think there are probably more people my age here The End than young people of today who like the Beatles to be honest.
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I've just started a poll so we shall soon see :)
Please feel free to call me AL (as Paul Simon once said!). ;D
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If you could put fifty young people in your neighborhood between the ages of 12-20 in one room. I wouldn't doubt it if only about ten of them would be into the Beatles & 60's/70's rock in general. I have no need for Simpson(except she looks great) & if you think so about Timberlake somedude210.
if i think so about tiberlake...what? was there supposed to be an insult attached to that wayne?
there are probably plenty of kids between 14-20 that at least listen to the beatles and know who they are even if they arent fans like us. and wayne, stop with the jessica simpson and timberlake insults, seriously, they arent popular anymore, deal with it and move on
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There still are a lot of young people that are into the Beatles, and even if there weren't, I couldn't blame them. Every generation has the right to have it's own music and trends. And as soon as you can't accept that anymore, you're officially getting old.
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YOUTH POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
TAKE THAT, CAPITALIST SCUM!
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And nobody replies. How strange. :P
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you do realize that many teens go through a socialist/communist phase, and some of us never leave that phase :P
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And nobody replies. How strange. :P
I never reply to screaming girls. 8) :)
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you do realize that many teens go through a socialist/communist phase, and some of us never leave that phase :P
Someone once said:
If you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you've got no heart
If you haven't established by the age of 30, you've got no brain
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you do realize that many teens go through a socialist/communist phase, and some of us never leave that phase :P
Because they don't think properly. If they had experienced what socialism is in reality, if they'd know what dictatorship is and had been under terror, they'd think twice... Maybe it seems to be a cool thing but it is NOT! It might be different in a country that has never suffered from that or hasnt even been in real war for centuries, but in eastern Europe it was a real threat for decades. I'm strongly against it.
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I think DM's has such a good balance of young and old fans - all converging without an ounce of discrimination. (well - most of the time anyhow)
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I think DM's has such a good balance of young and old fans - all converging without an ounce of discrimination. (well - most of the time anyhow)
hey, get out. we have new "indica laws". get out or else youre gonna get shot ;D :P
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Because they don't think properly. If they had experienced what socialism is in reality, if they'd know what dictatorship is and had been under terror, they'd think twice... Maybe it seems to be a cool thing but it is NOT! It might be different in a country that has never suffered from that or hasnt even been in real war for centuries, but in eastern Europe it was a real threat for decades. I'm strongly against it.
That's exactly what people need to hear. They just don't get it. It's easy to proclaim yourself a socialist or communist from the comfort of your nice big house surrounded by your Ipods and computers and cell phones. I mean, give me a break.
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Dem young 'uns always wanna spend the old folks money! Dagnabbit!
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And God Bless 'em.
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I don't care if you disagree with me, but I know it's the truth & some of you don't won't to admit it. I'm not expecting that many young people of today to be listening to the Beatles, because it's a rarity & it's like listening to their parents or grandparent's music. I have been called every name in the book on this forum, as well as being humorously intimidated(for what I don't know), so I expect it as usual, especially on this topic. There is probably about 10 out of 50 young people today who like the Beatles & 60's/70's rock in general. I know some of you will dispute it, but you're not going to change my mind & if you're around 12-20 years of age, the closest you get to the Fab4 is possibly the Anthology, but more than likely the 1 album.
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i agree with the point you made about 10 out of 50 people like the beatles and classic rock, however as being one of the younger generation who likes the beatles, i'm bound to disagree a bit.
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The only thing we can do is to indoctrinate our young ones. I play Beatles around my kids all the time.
My three year old's first Beatles song?
"Don't Pass Me By"
I overheard him singing the chorus one day in the playroom by himself.
You rock, Ringo!
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hahaha, thats sweet.
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The sadest example of your post is a "young" girl I was talking to was not aware that "Paul" was in a group called the "BEATLES" are you kidding me? Unfortunatley not!
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I sat next to a 17 year old girl at Ringo's concert who was in love with The Beatles.
When I told my mother (age 69) I was going to the concert, she said, "I thought he was dead."
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I don't care if you disagree with me, but I know it's the truth & some of you don't won't to admit it. I'm not expecting that many young people of today to be listening to the Beatles, because it's a rarity & it's like listening to their parents or grandparent's music.
I cannot argue this point globally, but up here in the North East of England, every club I go to at least plays one Beatles song...and it always gets a crazy response. I suppose many young people don't listen to the Beatles like many 'DM's' do .... i.e religiously - but they are still very much on the radar and always being discussed whether it be TV, Radio, Internet or Literary sources.
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I suppose it's what there exposed to. For Adam's kid to dig 'Don't Pass Me By' is very cool. I have a friend who almost has a 6 year old that has most of the dialogue to the Yellow Sub movie memorized. It's priceless
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That's unreasonable. Blaming the young people of today for not liking music from the 60s is the same thing as blaming the young people of the 60s for not liking music from the 20s.
And 40 years from now, the music of Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears will be the nostalgic oldies that the people that are young then won't understand. It all keeps on going.
I disagree; I truly think mainstream music right now is extremely unimpressive.
Oh, and by the way, this is this week's Top Artists Top 10 of LastFM (some sort of online radio station thing that keeps track of the music their users listen to on their computer):
1. Red Hot Chili Peppers
2. Radiohead
3. The Beatles
4. Coldplay
5. Muse
6. Death Cab For Cutie
7. Green Day
8. Nirvana
9. System Of A Down
10. Pink Floyd
This proves that there still are lots of young people listening to the Beatles. I think it's actually pretty amazing since it's already 37 years ago that they called it quits.
Nice find. On other music boards I go to, such as ones on IGN, TONS listen to the Beatles, and I've noticed that when I was in high school and now in college. Young people that are into music listen to more than you think, and many know quite a deal about the older bands (The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Led Zep, The Doors, etc.). I'm very close friends with several that go to UF, one in particular whom I always converse with about all kinds of bands. It's awesome!
ATTN Wayne: Young people of today don't prefer the internet; they prefer to listen to music while on the internet, like I am right now. We multi-task ;)
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I disagree; I truly think mainstream music right now is extremely unimpressive.
Nice find. On other music boards I go to, such as ones on IGN, TONS listen to the Beatles, and I've noticed that when I was in high school and now in college. Young people that are into music listen to more than you think, and many know quite a deal about the older bands (The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Led Zep, The Doors, etc.). I'm very close friends with several that go to UF, one in particular whom I always converse with about all kinds of bands. It's awesome!
ATTN Wayne: Young people of today don't prefer the internet; they prefer to listen to music while on the internet, like I am right now. We multi-task ;)
You can listen on the internet all you want to, just like I do as well, but that still doesn't mean the young people of today dig the Beatles.
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i'm pretty much the onli one at my school who digs them
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I disagree; I truly think mainstream music right now is extremely unimpressive.
Then we don't disagree.
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You can listen on the internet all you want to, just like I do as well, but that still doesn't mean the young people of today dig the Beatles.
Well, people have a lot more music to choose from now than 40 years ago. I think their current popularity is pretty impressive for a band that called it quits 36 years ago.
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For those who lament the state of modern music, it's interesting to note that in '67 the three top selling singles in the UK were all by Englebert Humperdink. Scott MacKenzie (one hit wonder) and Procol Harem are the only "cool" acts are in the list. The Monkees (manufactured pop in '67) are their too.
68 is worse. Lois Armstrong, Des O'connor, Tom Jones (twice), Leapy Lee. Only rock acts are Union Gap (hardly cool0, The Equals (reggae) and The Beatles (in at 10 with Hey Jude.
Mainstream radio music has always been "crap". I don't think it's any worse today. In fact I'd say that at least here in the UK the rock scene is very healthy. Though this is not reflected in the charts or what's played on mainstram radio. Just as it wasn't in the "goldern days" either,
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For those who lament the state of modern music, it's interesting to note that in '67 the three top selling singles in the UK were all by Englebert Humperdink. Scott MacKenzie (one hit wonder) and Procol Harem are the only "cool" acts are in the list. The Monkees (manufactured pop in '67) are their too.
68 is worse. Lois Armstrong, Des O'connor, Tom Jones (twice), Leapy Lee. Only rock acts are Union Gap (hardly cool0, The Equals (reggae) and The Beatles (in at 10 with Hey Jude.
Mainstream radio music has always been "crap". I don't think it's any worse today. In fact I'd say that at least here in the UK the rock scene is very healthy. Though this is not reflected in the charts or what's played on mainstram radio. Just as it wasn't in the "goldern days" either,
I don't understand; are you suggesting that his presence on the list is bad?
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I don't understand; are you suggesting that his presence on the list is bad?
No. It just seems to me that people think that in the 60's mainstream radio (and therefore mainstream music itself) was pumping out endless Who. Beatles, Stones etc music. It wasn't. Mainstream music (as defined by what was in the charts and played on mainstream radio) was just as unrock and uncool to a rock fan then as it was now. The album charts are also populated by more "crap" music than rock acts. Loius isn't bad (he's great) but he doesn't represent what rock kids were listening to. (and here's something spooky - a car just pulled up outside my window and Loius's Wonderful World is playing. It's a sign!).
I'm just saying mainstream music is no better or worse than it's ever been, and that the rock scene is very healthy.
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No. It just seems to me that people think that in the 60's mainstream radio (and therefore mainstream music itself) was pumping out endless Who. Beatles, Stones etc music. It wasn't. Mainstream music (as defined by what was in the charts and played on mainstream radio) was just as unrock and uncool to a rock fan then as it was now. The album charts are also populated by more "crap" music than rock acts. Loius isn't bad (he's great) but he doesn't represent what rock kids were listening to. (and here's something spooky - a car just pulled up outside my window and Loius's Wonderful World is playing. It's a sign!).
I'm just saying mainstream music is no better or worse than it's ever been, and that the rock scene is very healthy.
I agree with that; I found a list of the Top 100 songs from each year since, like, 1960 or something. If I can find it, I will post it, but the results are shocking.
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A family down my street listen to the Beatles. The kids too.
I've been listening to classic rock since age 11, the Beatles were my favorite band, and I'm right now still a huge fan, I've got all kinds of stuff of the Beatles in my room. I'm 17 right now, but what's funny is that I listen to a lot of modern rock. I am a huge, HUGE fan of Papa Roach, I listen to Nickelback, Three Days Grace, Godsmack, Disturbed, a little bit of Green Day, but I am still a huge fan of The Beatles, and I like lots of music from the classic rock eras, such as Badfinger (in my top 5 list), CCR, Elvis, The Zombies, Ritchie Valens, and all kinds of sh**.
So, you may see some kids blasting out heavy modern bands, but you might not guess that a few of them are also listeners of the Beatles.
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^ Always great to hear of someone who likes heavier stuff, but also has time for other genres - and vica versa.
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I agree with that; I found a list of the Top 100 songs from each year since, like, 1960 or something. If I can find it, I will post it, but the results are shocking.
The number one song of 1969, the year when hippies and psychedelia were supposed to have been king, was, believe it or not, Sugar Sugar.
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The number one song of 1969, the year when hippies and psychedelia were supposed to have been king, was, believe it or not, Sugar Sugar.
Veronica and Beatty were HOT. Have they nade an Arrchies movie yet?
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The number one song of 1969, the year when hippies and psychedelia were supposed to have been king, was, believe it or not, Sugar Sugar.
At least to those drug taking hippies credit they managed to drag their arses off the mattress on the floor and get down to the shops in sufficent numbers to make The Beatles and Led Zepplin the biggest selling albums of the year(here in the UK at least).
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Veronica and Beatty were HOT. Have they nade an Arrchies movie yet?
Actually there was a live action movie made in 1990 for TV called "Return to Riverdale" which centered on the lives of the Archie comic characters for their class reunion. It wasn't very good, though.
Haha, I'm such a geek. I know everything about Archie Comics.
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My kids 14 and 11 LOVE the Beatles, my niece is 19 and she LOVES them also.
My daughter tells me kids at junior high wear Beatles tees.
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im the class freak too,
everyone thinks im annoying and stupid because i love the beatles,
and they cannot accept the fact that i belive the beatles are the best band in all of music history.
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One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen re this subject, was on the British TV talent show 'The X Factor' (our version of 'American Idol' for any US readers). In the early knockout stages, all the wannabe singers were given Beatles songs to rehearse then sing, and none of them had heard of any of them. One of the singers then complained that The Beatles song she was given to sing was far too obscure. Even questioning whether it really was a Beatles song? At home, as a Beatles fan, I'm starting to think "they've not given her Wild Honey Pie or The Inner Light to sing have they? Not The X Factor?" So anyway, the interviewer asks her to sing the first line of this "obscure" Beatles song to see whether she had a point. The girl agrees and starts singing "Yesterday, All my troubles seemed so far away!!" Unbelievable!
I've never been that keen on Sharon Osbourne, but I'll say this for her, she did tell the contestants that their musical ignorance was a disgrace, and "stop listening to that Britney crap and start listening to proper music".
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The girl agrees and starts singing "Yesterday, All my troubles seemed so far away!!" Unbelievable!
and that's obscure?? ::)
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The girl agrees and starts singing "Yesterday, All my troubles seemed so far away!!"
I'm floored. Wow.
Good on Sharon Osbourne. These kids need a lecture!
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and that's obscure?? ::)
Actually, it probably is for her. Say she's 18, how often do you think it's been played on the radio since 1990? Very little, would be my guess. There's no obvious reason for her to know any Beatles songs. Remember, it is 43 years old. It was probably released before her parents were even born.
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I need Douglasslee to give me another "inner youth" lecture....
Wow. Thanks for the perspective.
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Actually, it probably is for her. Say she's 18, how often do you think it's been played on the radio since 1990? Very little, would be my guess. There's no obvious reason for her to know any Beatles songs. Remember, it is 43 years old. It was probably released before her parents were even born.
Yes, and the kids of 1965 would have ridiculed the idea of being expected to know about pop singers from 1922. In that sense, the music of the sixties has held on surprisingly well over a similar length of time. It's not necessarily a good thing, though: you could argue that the main reasons for its persisting is the market share still held by the boomers and simple creative / commercial inertia.
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I'm 19 and it was my mother who introduced me to The Beatles at a young age, her records and eventually seeing Yellow Submarine. The Beatles pre occupies about 65% of my life. I do know alot of young people who don't give a flip about them, but I've got a few friends who do. Please count me as a exception to the rule. Without The Beatles,"God only knows what I'd be" without them. :B
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A lot of older people don't care about The Beatles either , it's not just the young (crosseyed1)
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It was the 90's when i got into the Beatles. none of the music of time interested me, &
thankfully i found the Beatles! :)
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well im 13, and from my point of view, it really does seem like many young people today really dont care about them all that much. in fact, i just met some little nieghbor kids, 10 and 8, who weren't even sure if they had heard the Target commercials! its so sad, really.
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well im 13, and from my point of view, it really does seem like many young people today really dont care about them all that much. in fact, i just met some little nieghbor kids, 10 and 8, who weren't even sure if they had heard the Target commercials! its so sad, really.
it's best if they didn't hear the commercials!
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So true...............
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The continuing statement in this thread that out of 50 typical young people, that only 10 of them would be into the Beatles, and that would be a low number, is a fallacy. Let's say that were true: that means that 20% of today's youth are Beatles fans! How big a percentage do you think Britney, or Justin, or Amy Winehouse, or Jay-Z, or Kanye, or Christina, or the Foo Fighters would get? Not much more than 20%, if that. Musical tastes are so diverse now that no one could have such a lion's share of public acceptance that the Beatles had in the '60s.
I work in education and have seen numerous high school kids with bookbags, patches or articles of clothing proclaiming their fanhood of the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC and other older acts.
Recently I substituted in a class for 15- and 16-year-olds who were reading Catcher in the Rye. I asked the class if anyone knew the link between this book and John Lennon. No one knew the answer. I said "Does anyone know who John Lennon is?" The entire class, save for maybe five or less of them, called out, "Beatles."
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Aw. Great story, Mr. Mustard. And nice reflection of what constitutes a popular artist these days. I think the markets are deliberately carved up and segmented, so it's even easier for someone who, say, likes Country and Western, to never run across a rock or pop artist in all their listening days. In the Beatles days, all the different musics were more accessible, so people could discover their own tastes more easily.
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In the Beatles days, all the different musics were more accessible, so people could discover their own tastes more easily.
The Beatles themselves played a wide variety of music, especially in their Hamburg days: rock and roll, r&b, c&w, show tunes, old standards- anything that interested them or pleased the audience. This broad knowledge of popular music is probably one of the reasons why they developed so much over seven years of recording and produced a distinctive and varied oeuvre themselves. They knew the medium they were working in. :)
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I'm 12 today and i'm a beatlemaniac, when i told my classmates, i was grade six at that time and i brought with me a Beatles scrapbook of mine and my classmate got it without even saying may i borrow and she checked it out and said oh ! i prefer gun and roses than The Beatles, Beatles are bad!. I told her that what she was saying is not true and my other classmate said who was a rocker said i like my Chemical Romance than The Beatles then they laughed at me a lot. :( but it's okay now i found two fans of my age too. :)
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Well............the kids at my son's private school LOVE the Beatles. And so do the CYO...Catholic Youth Organization for the teenagers. They have a band and play lots of lots of Beatles' music. And I'm called "the Beatle Lady" because I've always got on one of my Beatles' shirts from my huge collection. And we got some up and coming guitar players at his school. So does the youth of today don't care about the Beatles???? Not at my son's school. They LOVE them.
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I wouldn't say that all young people don't care about the Beatles.
I've like the Beatles practically since I was born.
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Mr. Mustard, what is the link between The Catcher in the Rye and John Lennon, please?
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I come across a lot of young people aged 19-22, and they all know about the Beatles, and many like them. Maybe they are not their fans but they listen to the band and know some lines by heart. In fact these are mostly boys. My son who is 18 doesn`t listen to them, but he says that if he were to choose of the old groups he would rather listen to The Beatles than to any other. And I know some young guys who are keen on the group.
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Actually, it probably is for her. Say she's 18, how often do you think it's been played on the radio since 1990? Very little, would be my guess. There's no obvious reason for her to know any Beatles songs. Remember, it is 43 years old. It was probably released before her parents were even born.
Yes, there is a reason for her to know Beatles songs. If she wants to be a performer she should know her music history, or at least her rock history. Saying you want to be a performer and not knowing and Beatles songs is like saying you want to be a scientist but don't know anything of Einstein or Marie Curie.
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Mr. Mustard, what is the link between The Catcher in the Rye and John Lennon, please?
The Catcher in the Rye is the book John's killer was holding when the cops arrested him.
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Mr. Mustard, what is the link between The Catcher in the Rye and John Lennon, please?
Mark Chapman was carrying a copy of Catcher In The Rye when he shot Lennon. In it he'd written "This is my statement".
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Keep Chapman's butt in jail forever!!!! He killed my favorite Beatle and a music "icon"....God Bless you John Ono (Winston) Lennon.............
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Amen aspinall_lover!
I don't think I could bring myself to read that book in 11 grade, knowing that. I know it sounds stupid, but I don't know if I could do it without constantly thinking about it, which will cause me to cry.
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^^^^^^I couldn't read the book either in high school. The teacher was so mad at me, and I defended myself as saying, "He killed my favorite Beatle, my ICON". There was no way I was going to read something that lead a person to be the devil himself and kill my beloved John.
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Mr. Mustard, what is the link between The Catcher in the Rye and John Lennon, please?
The Catcher in the Rye was the favorite book of Mark Chapman, who shot John. But being the obsessive freak that Chapman was, he couldn't just enjoy the book -- he in some way identified so strongly with the protagonist Holden Caulfield that he in some way thought he was Holden. Just like he also thought he was John Lennon and he had to kill the 'evil' Lennon.... or whatever was going on in that psycho's head.
After he shot John, the cops apprehended him -- he was on the sidewalk in front of the Dakota, quietly reading Catcher in the Rye.
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And after posting my previous post, I now notice that the question was already answered. My bad!
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And the teacher was "overwhelmed" that I had the "balls" to stand up in class and say that. So she picked another book out for me to read, and I can't remember the title....the little "anarchist" I was back then.............
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Thank you all for the explanation!!! :) I didn`t know that! i liked the book so much, i also read it at school. A terrible link, the book is doomed.
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Catcher in the Rye is still a great book -- I don't think that one deranged person's take on it should blackball it from your reading lists. The book itself didn't really influence Chapman's actions. If I were to find out that Chapman's favorite food was pizza, I wouldn't stop eating pizza.
The Charles Manson clan claimed that the Beatles were telling them to commit their crimes through hidden messages on the White Album. I still listen to the White Album, though.
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^So true, Mr. Mustard.
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Catcher in the Rye is still a great book -- I don't think that one deranged person's take on it should blacklist it from your reading lists. The book itself didn't really influence Chapman's actions. If I were to find out that Chapman's favorite food was pizza, I wouldn't stop eating pizza.
The Charles Manson clan claimed that the Beatles were telling them to commit their crimes through hidden messages on the White Album. I still listen to the White Album, though.
^^^^^^^^Yep, you got a point there, Mr. Mustard.
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Mr.Mustard, You are right! The book is very good. Wasn`t this fact mentioned in the film Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson starring? He had piles of this book in his room.
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I'm 28- does that count as young? I have been a huge Beatles fan since my pre-teens.
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I'm young and love the Beatles, but kids don't see me as a freak...teachers think its cool, and some of my friends are into them too. And ever since Across the universe movie there have been some kids who know more songs, which is fun. Sure I got teased once, but it was by the biggest school douche. Now nobody cares.
A lot of young people aren't into the Beatles, and even though I think they should be, whatever they're missing out on GREAT stuff!! :)
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I was teased all the time for liking the Beatles. I was known as that Beatles kid but I remember once in 8th grade we had to do a worksheet on the boys and everybody wanted me to be their partner. I also remember one of my friends telling me a couple of years ago that the Beach Boys had a bigger impact on music and I just laughed. When ATU everybody was like Paul! Did you see ATU? Send me the Beatle songs!
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i used to write "The Beatles" with a heart around it on like, everything, especialy on my school worksheets, but then i stopped, cause everybody probably thought that i was a freak. but that didnt stop me from expressing in other ways! in the margines of the journals we had in LA class, i wrote all the words to Help! and Penny Lane. (wow. apparently i was REALLY bored that day)
but now more to the point. the sad thing is, im sure more young people, even the kids at my school, like the Beatles than they let on, but they wont admit it, cause people who dont like them outnumber the ones that do. and we all want to be "popular" right? (GRRRR! i hate the "Populars" at my school! >:()
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I understand you very well: young people usually want to be at the edge of fashion, and be the first to open to others new groups, styles. But these are teenages, as they grow they become more particular about their choice and choose something more worthy.
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I'll be 17 tomorrow, and thank god I love the Beatles. I discovered them in 8th grade a little over two years ago. I only have one friend, other than everyone online, who is a major fan like me, and she's 20.
Nearly everyone else at school, even my friends, tease me about it. They say stuff like "What the heck is wrong with you?" and draw mustaches and stuff on my notebook that had pictures of the Fabs on it. My one friend hates them just to make me mad, and she has never heard of the names John Lennon and George Harrison. She only knows Ringo's name because it's a funny name and Paul's because she said he's so famous. I remember in ninth grade we took a test and one of the questions was to name and describe the Beatles. One person wrote that their names were John, Paul, Ringo, and Jeff. Someone else said John, Paul, Ringo, and Terry! Where'd that come from? Poor George. They also didn't know the last names even. Some boy, who is younger than me, said to me at lunch one day "They should all die. And the ones who are already dead should come back to life and die again!" I was soooooo friggin mad inside it was unbelievable! I wanted to punch his lights out. Haha. Who cares what other people think, the Fabs are the greatest ever. Screw everyone who doesn't think so.
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once i asked my friend to name all the Beatles and she said, "theres John, and Paul, and Lennon, and thats all i can think of." i just stared at her, and eventually told her that John and Lennon were the same guy, and she started laughing.
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I'll be 17 tomorrow, and thank god I love the Beatles.
well, congratulations! ;) have a FAB birthday! ;)
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I think there is truth in that. But from time to time, people grow up and might think differently and more mature, and they might get the meaning and essence of music.
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As far as the Catcher in the Rye, it did have , I don't really want to say "reasons" but something in that book aided in his decision to kill John Lennon. I know it wasn't the only reason and he was a little crazy, but there are always things that make people more crazy. And who is to say if he never read that book if John would still be alive or not. And I probably sound crazy right now with all this nonsense talk, I don't know if I can make sense out of it. I understand what you mean Mr.Mustard, just because he was holding the book doesn't make it the primative reason why he killed John. My older sister had to read the book 2 years ago and I couldn't read it knowing that was the book he was carrying, and I'm not sure why.
Now, back on topic.
I would say that my friends are ok with me liking The Beatles even if they aren't thier cup of tea. I did have times where people make fun of it, but I never really cared. I know that I'll always love The Beatles, so a few comments never bugged me. As far as this generation not caring about The Beatles, it is really their lost, I think that they don't realize what the beatles did, how inavative they were, that is what they really are missing.
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Well...........I'll tell you this much...........I'm 43 years old and have LOVED the Beatles since the early/mid 1970's. I was around 10 when I discovered them. And I'm so overwhelmed and soooooo pleased to see all the young, and I mean old enough to be my children, on this board and being such big Beatles' fans!!!! Congrats to all you "young-uns" out there. Just this little fact proves to me there is "hope" for our youth today. All you kids......YOU ROCK!!
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Young people of today have an easier time of liking the Beatles than the young people of other days. They're much cooler now than they were when I was in high school. I always had to justify why the hell I was so into them. Now I see teens with Beatles shirts, purses, hats, backpacks, etc. They've become a fashion statement if nothing else.
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As far as the Catcher in the Rye, it did have , I don't really want to say "reasons" but something in that book aided in his decision to kill John Lennon. I know it wasn't the only reason and he was a little crazy, but there are always things that make people more crazy. And who is to say if he never read that book if John would still be alive or not. And I probably sound crazy right now with all this nonsense talk, I don't know if I can make sense out of it. I understand what you mean Mr.Mustard, just because he was holding the book doesn't make it the primative reason why he killed John. My older sister had to read the book 2 years ago and I couldn't read it knowing that was the book he was carrying, and I'm not sure why.
That's part of his BS story. That he identified with Holden Caulfield. Yeah right. He was just a small, selfish, little jealous narcissist of a man who craved attention. And I use the word man lightly.
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well, congratulations! ;) have a FAB birthday! ;)
Thanks Andy! I had a great day! :)
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To all you young ones who have to contend with peers who hate the Beatles:
they will grow up and mature, and realize how stupid they were in their teen years! And they will most likely renounce their own current musical tastes/fashion choices. I'm sure that you, as the Beatle fan, can destroy their taste in music (obviously their taste in music can't be very good if they hate the Beatles). It just goes to show how monumental this band was that kids who can't even name each member still hate them, without even knowing anything about them! These kids are insecure, and don't know what they like. You don't find people in their mid 20s or mid 30s (or older) making ignorant hate-filled rants towards the Beatles. People grow up and realize, "I was pretty stupid when I was younger."
I wasn't -- at least as far as music. I was a Beatle fan from an early age. That's something you never outgrow.
These kids feel threatened by you because down deep (and they're not even aware of this yet) they know that you are into something that's real, and lasting. They subconsciously sense that whatever flavor of the month they're into right now, it'll be gone soon. It won't last. They know that.
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Young people of today have an easier time of liking the Beatles than the young people of other days. They're much cooler now than they were when I was in high school. I always had to justify why the hell I was so into them. Now I see teens with Beatles shirts, purses, hats, backpacks, etc. They've become a fashion statement if nothing else.
Yeah but it's annoying because you have people wearing the t-shirts or purses and they don't even listen to the band. So I feel like if I go out in my Beatles hoodie or wear my Beatles purse I have to prove that I'm a real fan and not someone who just wears it for fashion. And that shouldn't be.
But at least we have stuff like Across the Universe that gets the younger people into the Beatles. It's so much easier now to get ahold of older music because of things like iTunes. Even now, it's so much better. I remember when I was in grade seven and eight, and I had kids asking me who John Lennon was. (roll)
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Yeah but it's annoying because you have people wearing the t-shirts or purses and they don't even listen to the band. So I feel like if I go out in my Beatles hoodie or wear my Beatles purse I have to prove that I'm a real fan and not someone who just wears it for fashion. And that shouldn't be.
I know exactly what you mean Mairi. People are so fake today. You almost feel like you have to prove yourself now a days. Sometimes I get a giggle at people like that, because I know I'm the real thing.
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I know exactly what you mean Mairi. People are so fake today. You almost feel like you have to prove yourself now a days. Sometimes I get a giggle at people like that, because I know I'm the real thing.
I hear you, theres a girl in my class who pretends to like the Beatles even though she knows about 5 songs, she goes around telling people shes the biggest Beatle fan in the world, when on many occasions I have proved my Beatle knowledge to be far superior, haha. She doesn't really wear the clothes because she's extremely preppy, lol. But other than that it gets incredibly annoying knowing that I, and all die hard Beatles fans for that matter, spend so much time learning so much about the Beatles, and then girls like THAT come along because they think it'll make them look cool. But its okay, because everyone knows me as the Beatle kid lol
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Some young people may not know their music and don`t have their albums. BUT! they all recognize them when they see the pictures. And this is something.
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Some young people may not know their music and don`t have their albums. BUT! they all recognize them when they see the pictures. And this is something.
You're right Jane, it's like my classmates they don't have beatle albums and they don't know their music but they do recognize their pictures. ;)
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Well, that
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I hate these people at my school who walk around with Beatles shirts and bags. One day I went up to one of them and asked them what kind of songs they like or how much they even like them to begin with. she looked at me and gave me a look like I was retarded and said "oh no I don't listen to them, I just liked the shirt. They're a band"
- my life ended momentarily
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^ I know what you mean...
I once bought a Beatles t-shirt and the shop person looks at me and says "the beatles eh? you like them" and I say "yes" and then he says "thats why people like you have to pass on their light' and i agreed. :K)
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I hate people who are ignorant to great music :B
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yea, but one can do not much, since great music is subjective...
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^ I know what you mean...
I once bought a Beatles t-shirt and the shop person looks at me and says "the beatles eh? you like them" and I say "yes" and then he says "thats why people like you have to pass on their light' and i agreed. :K)
What does.."thats why people like you have to pass on their light' mean???
Dosen't sound to good from were I'm standing.
It better not be rude.
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oh, i suppose he meant something like .... thats how we as fans not letting them go... I dont actually know... i can go back and ask him but i dont think he will remember me...! :P
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oh, i suppose he meant something like .... thats how we as fans not letting them go... I dont actually know... i can go back and ask him but i dont think he will remember me...! :P
Oh! I feel stupid now hah.
Well, thats good then.
If you see him again, and he remembers you, and if thats what you say it means, give him a pat on the back for me!
haha
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you are so sweet oh pineapple!!!!! :) :) :)
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you are so sweet oh pineapple!!!!! :) :) :)
haha
OH pineaplle is how I hear that.
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haha
OH pineaplle is how I hear that.
COME ON GUYS!
LET'S NOT HAVE A PARTY OVER MY USERNAME!
hahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahah
it is....quite......dazzling...oh yes.
?!?!?!?!?
wow, cant believe i just said that.
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you are so sweet oh pineapple!!!!! :) :) :)
Oh you are to kind (Lucy).
hah I'm sure you get the jk.
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what does Oh pineapple mean?
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Oh you are to kind (Lucy).
hah I'm sure you get the jk.
I do! ;D ;D ;D
Do you like pineapples, oh pineapple? Here's a forum made by a Beatle fan who is also a pineapple fan http://pineapplesdance.proboards66.com 8)
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what does Oh pineapple mean?
nothing at all.
Its RUBBISH.
My friend made it up, ya see, she had this pineapple one day, and then she was just like..."oohhhh pineapple"
hahaha
Beats me.
I couldn't think of a username, so i stuck to the half wit of my mind.
And wrote it down.
Creativity is really starting to boggle me.
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I do! ;D ;D ;D
Do you like pineapples, oh pineapple? Here's a forum made by a Beatle fan who is also a pineapple fan [url]http://pineapplesdance.proboards66.com[/url] 8)
hah why much thanks.
I'll go look at it in laughter.
Just btw, I dont even like pineapples.
Isn't it a shocker.
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hey oh pine, you have 44 posts [as at now] and your post rate is 44p/d ... mathematically you did all your posts today! 8)
Indeed, 1 and 1 and 1 is 3 [just getting to the Beatles theme]
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hey oh pine, you have 44 posts [as at now] and your post rate is 44p/d ... mathematically you did all your posts today! 8)
Indeed, 1 and 1 and 1 is 3 [just getting to the Beatles theme]
To bad eventually it will screw up.
The numbers and stuff.
So much for math hah
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very OG Piney!
sweet postage!
you know since you asked so nicely....
my name is a joke too. my friend and I were listening to the beatles one day(everyday) and I just said pauliebear
I said it like Jake Gyllenhall(sp) did on one episode of SNL.
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I just realized how off topic we're getting
RUT ROH the Mods will be after us. WE MUST FLEE TO THE BAHAMAS
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I just realized how off topic we're getting
RUT ROH the Mods will be after us. WE MUST FLEE TO THE BAHAMAS
lol SNL, thats classic.
Classic show.
I wanna go, lets go, already been there once, but I'll do it again!
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we could go to my mail box thing...so we don't' get into trouble.
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You can get in trouble for that??? 0_0
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once I read a person tell people to stay on topic
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Young people of today...no respect :X
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Young people of today...no respect :X
(I'm gonna pretend okay)
"YEAH, these ungrateful kids these days...yeah..ummm..Brittany freakin Spears..
OMG.
I CAN'T DO THIS!
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there seems to be more younger fans now than when i was youmger, it amazes me!
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there seems to be more younger fans now than when i was youmger, it amazes me!
hah you bet.
And there will be more.
I'm planning to buy nothing but Beatles CD's and stuff, and play around my (future children) like ALL the time.
Cram it into their little heads.
haha im joking.
And, I'm gonna pretend like The Beatles are the only band in the world who can play music.
haha But obvis. they'd find out sooner or later that there's like 96845,9546,4584590 other artists out there.
They'd probably hate me?
But o'well, its good when their young ;)
And it would cause for a great laugh as well.
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hah you bet.
And there will be more.
I'm planning to buy nothing but Beatles CD's and stuff, and play around my (future children) like ALL the time.
Cram it into their little heads.
haha im joking.
And, I'm gonna pretend like The Beatles are the only band in the world who can play music.
haha But obvis. they'd find out sooner or later that there's like 96845,9546,4584590 other artists out there.
They'd probably hate me?
But o'well, its good when their young ;)
And it would cause for a great laugh as well.
Haha, last year my older sister got a baby girl, and for birth gift I gave her the yellow submarine album.
But since my sister's not a big beatle fan I don't think she appreciated it too much.
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Haha, last year my older sister got a baby girl, and for birth gift I gave her the yellow submarine album.
But since my sister's not a big beatle fan I don't think she appreciated it too much.
Thats awesome.
Yellow submarine is amazing for kids.
I went camping with my family for the fourth of July, and I caught my cousin singing yellow submarine. (no lie) He's like 10 or 11, and he thinks The Beatles are amazing.
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Wow! That's great!
The Beatles fans just gets younger and younger!
Soon there'll be 7 year old fans hangin' in this forum ;D
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Wow! That's great!
The Beatles fans just gets younger and younger!
Soon there'll be 7 year old fans hangin' in this forum ;D
hah yeah your right.
Wait..seven year old..oh jeeze NOOO 0_0
jk.
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can 7 year olds type?
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I could barely type when I was 7.
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same here
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You'd be amazed.
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FINALLY you sign on!
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haha sorry I had a drive time today :(
Which I DID great on by the way!
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GREAT. I still haven't got my learners yet. I could have had it in March!
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haha of really. Sweet. I already have my permit and everything! I get my license in December....
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LUCKY YOU
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:) Thnk ya.
Im a pretty good driver(at lest I've been told) haven't ran into a truck or anything yet.
haha
lets hope not.
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Compared to the 60's I would say that obviously there are alot less kids that are into The Beatles nowadays. But I would say that they have a pretty large fanbase compared to other bands that are 40 years old!
No other band has even come close to having such a fanbase then and now and no doubt to come.
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My brothers used to tell me when i'm dragging them with me to listen to The Beatles they're just playing gameboys and when i turned the beatles' music on they would say " Cut it out sis, i'm playing". When it's christmas we used to sing songs in our videoke microphone, i would sing a lot of Beatles songs then they would ask me what is the song number of Help! or Yellow Submarine i would tell them the song num but i didn't know that they'll be singing it. I was so happy when that happened i finally knew that they like The Beatles and i've influenced them. :]
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^ yay! (: great story. I got my best friend into the Beatles. Magical Mystery Tour was the one that got him hooked and since he's a drummer, his favorite is Ringo.