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Title: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on January 08, 2005, 11:19:53 PM
what is the best/ultimate fifth beatle out of the above...looking at the choice, i cant help thinking the one that deserves the title should be george martin, or pete best.

u guys?
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mairi on January 09, 2005, 03:42:33 AM
It definitely has to be George Martin.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mr.Moonlight on January 09, 2005, 11:05:33 AM
Yoko Ono was never a beatle
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mr.Moonlight on January 09, 2005, 02:57:16 PM
A fifth Beatle close people were called around the Beatles.

George Martin
Stuart Sutcliffe
Billy Preston
Pete Best
Mal Evans not more
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on January 09, 2005, 09:22:19 PM
what? i dont understand that...are you dirk as well, mr. moonlight?
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on January 09, 2005, 09:32:50 PM
George Martin!!!!!!!!! Without a doubt!
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Post by: Herecomesyoursun on January 09, 2005, 09:54:51 PM
wheres Billy?
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on January 09, 2005, 09:57:14 PM
Ahhh yes, the great Preston!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Lenny Pane on January 09, 2005, 11:19:15 PM
you also forget Neil aspinall.... im sure by many that he would of been regarded as a 5th Beatle...as he was with the boys right from the start ......also in the 60's the "MEDIA" portraid Georgie Best the GREAT footballer as being the 5th Beatle due to his  fame and lifestyle.... lol :P
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on January 11, 2005, 11:35:22 AM
the fifth beatle???????was the world!
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Post by: Lenny Pane on January 11, 2005, 11:44:25 AM
hahaha nice answer pc31 lol
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mairi on January 11, 2005, 05:31:39 PM
I'm the fifty-fifth Beatle!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on January 11, 2005, 06:17:42 PM
[quote by=pc31 link=Blah.pl?b=fifths,m=1105226393,s=9 date=1105443322]the fifth beatle???????was the world![/quote]

shweetly put! ;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Indica on January 11, 2005, 06:34:43 PM
haha, what a great answer..
You lifted that from somewhere? :)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on January 11, 2005, 09:31:34 PM
If any body was the fifth Beatle, it HAS to be Billy Preston. Only guy to get a performing credit on a Beatles record label. GET BACK - The Beatles with Billy Preston, DON"T LET ME DOWN - The Beatles with Billy Preston were the A and B sides of their first 1969 single.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on January 12, 2005, 01:21:18 AM
lifted????no way buddy.i am an original..........
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Indica on January 12, 2005, 03:10:23 AM
yep, very nice line  8)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mendips on January 12, 2005, 12:10:57 PM
Hey! You forgot Murray the K!  :)


I voted for George!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Lenny Pane on January 13, 2005, 11:50:28 AM
[quote by=Ydoll_Gwyn link=Blah.pl?b=fifths,m=1105226393,s=14 date=1105479094]If any body was the fifth Beatle, it HAS to be Billy Preston. Only guy to get a performing credit on a Beatles record label. GET BACK .[/quote]

a very good point Ydoll...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: SieLiebtDich on January 18, 2005, 12:49:40 AM
George Martin
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bruno on January 21, 2005, 05:35:07 PM
de Stael...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on January 28, 2005, 03:02:59 AM
stulie?
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Post by: number14 on March 25, 2005, 02:15:08 AM
Martin
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Post by: In Blue Hawaii on March 25, 2005, 10:30:06 PM
george martin no question.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on April 04, 2005, 08:02:03 PM
proberly martin
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 31, 2005, 08:31:54 PM
probally emi.........
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: beatlegirl200 on June 02, 2005, 01:10:49 AM
According to a book I have, The Rough Guide to The Beatles, the chronological order of "Fifth Beatle" are as follows:

Tommy Moore
Stuart Sutcliffe
Pete Best
Neil Aspinall
Chas Newby
Brian Epstein
George Martin
D*ck James
Mal Evans
Derek Taylor
Murray the K
Jimmy Nichol
Yoko Ono
Billy Preston
Klaus Voorman

I think some of these people got pulled out of left field somewhere to be included on this list.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mairi on June 02, 2005, 11:17:22 PM
^I agree. Yoko, and others, should be snipped from that list.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on June 03, 2005, 01:07:00 AM
Quote from: lennonlegend
what is the best/ultimate fifth beatle out of the above...looking at the choice, i cant help thinking the one that deserves the title should be george martin, or pete best.

u guys?
slick rick!!!!!without a doubt....
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on June 03, 2005, 01:13:49 AM
(http://volksforum.com/gallery/wm.php?pid=1065&mode=normal)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on June 03, 2005, 01:14:37 AM
do not be alarmed its not dirk....
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on June 04, 2005, 04:20:41 AM
Musically--George Martin without a doubt.
Insider--Neil Aspinall without a doubt.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: mclen57 on July 03, 2005, 10:47:34 PM
Looked around for a poll on this and couldn't find one. So what the hell. I go for George. Of course I forgot Murrey the K, but who took him seriously.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Brynjar on July 03, 2005, 11:20:39 PM
George Martin for me.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mairi on July 04, 2005, 02:16:48 AM
Why is Yoko on this list? Nothing personal, but it's not like she ever made any contributions to the Beatles as a band. She was just like this weird little monkey that hung around with John. I'm just saying.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: mclen57 on July 04, 2005, 02:24:29 AM
Quote from: Mairi
Why is Yoko on this list? Nothing personal, but it's not like she ever made any contributions to the Beatles as a band. She was just like this weird little monkey that hung around with John. I'm just saying.

I just put her there more or less as a joke. Maybe I should've just gone ahead and put Murry the K.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Ydoll Gwyn on July 04, 2005, 03:44:14 AM
Quote from: mclen57
Looked around for a poll on this and couldn't find one. So what the hell. I go for George. Of course I forgot Murrey the K, but who took him seriously.

Mr Mclen, if you care to look down the headings of this forum, you'll find a WHOLE SECTION devoted to this "fifth Beatle" stuff. It's very easy to find: it's called THE FIFTH BEATLES, which I found to be a dead giveaway as to its contents.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on July 04, 2005, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Ydoll_Gwyn

Mr Mclen, if you care to look down the headings of this forum, you'll find a WHOLE SECTION devoted to this "fifth Beatle" stuff. It's very easy to find: it's called THE FIFTH BEATLES, which I found to be a dead giveaway as to its contents.

I was going to post that too. Why not pose this question in a category devoted to it?

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: mclen57 on July 04, 2005, 03:07:16 PM
Sorry guys, just wasn't paying attention. I'll do better next time. JEEEZ!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on July 04, 2005, 03:18:07 PM
No worries. Easy mistake to make. You won't be the first or the last. Nothing wrong with being keen. Thers a hell of a lot of banter/threads to get through on these forums. The same topic does tend to crop up from time to time.
;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: mclen57 on July 04, 2005, 03:45:22 PM
Quote from: An_Apple_Beatle
No worries. Easy mistake to make. You won't be the first or the last. Nothing wrong with being keen. Thers a hell of a lot of banter/threads to get through on these forums. The same topic does tend to crop up from time to time.
;)

If you want to shift it over App, go ahead. Won't hurt my feelings.

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: lennonlemon on July 04, 2005, 03:50:53 PM
mclen, if you want, I believe there is already a thread devoted to 'who's the 5th Beatle' or 'Best 5th Beatle.' perhaps you should make your opinion known on that thread and resurrect it for a bit.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on July 04, 2005, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: mclen57

If you want to shift it over App, go ahead. Won't hurt my feelings.


I'm afraid I don't have the skills or power to do that. You might have to do a copy n' paste job. I'm not sure where Al (The End) is at the mo. He would be the man to speak to. Theres no major harm done anyway. ;)

There is plenty of great old threads to dig through. A lot of new members at the moment so as LennonLemon says...It would be good to resurrect a few maybe?

Any Burt Jansch in your dad's Ragtime collection btw?
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: mclen57 on July 04, 2005, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: An_Apple_Beatle

I'm afraid I don't have the skills or power to do that. You might have to do a copy n' paste job. I'm not sure where Al (The End) is at the mo. He would be the man to speak to. Theres no major harm done anyway. ;)

There is plenty of great old threads to dig through. A lot of new members at the moment so as LennonLemon says...It would be good to resurrect a few maybe?

Any Burt Jansch in your dad's Ragtime collection btw?

I don't think so. My mom has the bulk of it. He mostly collected Jellyroll Morton, Scott Joplin among others. He also went after WWI songs and Gershwin, Cole Porter, Al Jolson and show tunes. I also got myself some of his Les Paul sheets. I didn't get everything though.
What sort of collectibles do you have? Don't tell me, the Butcher cover right?


Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: lennonlemon on July 04, 2005, 04:54:37 PM
Where in the world is Al?

Hurry up and come back from your holiday!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: lennring on July 04, 2005, 05:13:50 PM
well, i think george martin or mal Evans, i mean yoko didnt really contribute apart from howling at the end of a couple of beatles songs.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Paulsluv on July 04, 2005, 06:02:44 PM
George Martin!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on July 04, 2005, 07:41:07 PM
George Martin for the music. Neil Aspinall for everything else.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on July 04, 2005, 08:14:52 PM
Quote from: mclen57

I don't think so. My mom has the bulk of it. He mostly collected Jellyroll Morton, Scott Joplin among others. He also went after WWI songs and Gershwin, Cole Porter, Al Jolson and show tunes. I also got myself some of his Les Paul sheets. I didn't get everything though.
What sort of collectibles do you have? Don't tell me, the Butcher cover right?




I wish!!! lol

I'm not much of a collector like some guys around here. I've learnt many new depths of collectables since joining the forum and checking out ebay. I had no idea.

I have biographies, books, few souvenirs, watch, phone, calenders, song books, Anthologies CD&DVD. Plenty of CD's, not much vinyl and the PC disk with every album on. I think that sums me up. lol

Then theres the instruments but that's another day. lol
I would love to collect their ribbon microphones and their ancient vox equipment. Need to bring in a bit more cash for that kind of commitment. Now you got me dreamin of Rickenbackers, fender twins, Ludwig etc......h a zy  d ream....lol
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: mclen57 on July 04, 2005, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: An_Apple_Beatle


I wish!!! lol

I'm not much of a collector like some guys around here. I've learnt many new depths of collectables since joining the forum and checking out ebay. I had no idea.

I have biographies, books, few souvenirs, watch, phone, calenders, song books, Anthologies CD&DVD. Plenty of CD's, not much vinyl and the PC disk with every album on. I think that sums me up. lol

Then theres the instruments but that's another day. lol
I would love to collect their ribbon microphones and their ancient vox equipment. Need to bring in a bit more cash for that kind of commitment. Now you got me dreamin of Rickenbackers, fender twins, Ludwig etc......h a zy
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: adamzero on July 06, 2005, 02:47:21 AM
I'd be tempted to put Billy Preston in as a fifth Beatle contender-at least for the Let it Be sessions--contributing key part to some of their most famous songs: "Get Back," "Let it Be," etc.  

Geoff Emerick probably deserves 6th Beatles status (one step behind George Martin).  
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Indy_Ringo_Fan on July 08, 2005, 12:28:44 AM
George Martin has got to be the fifth Beatle.

Close behind and those who deserve a lot of recognition are Neil, Mal, Geoff and Derek Taylor.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: SieLiebtDich on July 12, 2005, 12:07:57 AM
George Martin BIG TIME! ;D
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mairi on July 12, 2005, 12:22:29 AM
I think we have a winner. :)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: mclen57 on July 12, 2005, 12:40:56 AM
Quote from: Mairi
I think we have a winner. :)
Yeah! I never saw this coming! ;D I wonder who voted No 5th Beatle. I'd like to hear his reasoning.

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Indica on July 17, 2005, 04:27:04 PM
Thank god Yoko never got a vote!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Joost on July 17, 2005, 04:52:15 PM
Definately Sir George.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Joost on July 17, 2005, 04:53:37 PM
Pete Best deserves to be on the list though.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: The End on September 11, 2005, 11:45:26 PM
During their interviews at the Beatle Convention in Liverpool this year, both Mark Lewisohn and Tony Barrow cited Neil Aspinall as the fith Beatle.

But, in my opinion you can only truly be classed as a fith Beatle if you were actually IN the band when there were five members - so that would be either Pete Best or more likey Stuart Sutcliffe. But that's just MY opinion! :)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: raxo on October 07, 2005, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: The_End
During their interviews at the Beatle Convention in Liverpool this year, both Mark Lewisohn and Tony Barrow cited Neil Aspinall as the fith Beatle.

But, in my opinion you can only truly be classed as a fith Beatle if you were actually IN the band when there were five members - so that would be either Pete Best or more likey Stuart Sutcliffe. But that's just MY opinion! :)

No, its not your opinion, its MINE...OK, its OUR opinion. ;)
Ive always heard that the guys were the Fab FOUR,... oh, maybe Ive dreamed ...and now "the dream was over" ;D
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Mairi on October 07, 2005, 10:00:00 PM
Quote from: The_End
During their interviews at the Beatle Convention in Liverpool this year, both Mark Lewisohn and Tony Barrow cited Neil Aspinall as the fith Beatle.

But, in my opinion you can only truly be classed as a fith Beatle if you were actually IN the band when there were five members - so that would be either Pete Best or more likey Stuart Sutcliffe. But that's just MY opinion! :)


Well, Sir George did work IN the band, with the music, you know...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: raxo on October 07, 2005, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: Mairi


Well, Sir George did work IN the band, with the music, you know...

Sir George did a good job...and he was paid... ;)
oh, I love the keyboards parts he played on stage with the guys during the Beatlemania era... and his harmonies too, of course. ;D

In music, the producer always takes part of the work in studio but a band is more than the studio work.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: The End on October 08, 2005, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: Mairi

Well, Sir George did work IN the band, with the music, you know...

True, but he was never a member - he didn't have the hair for it!! ;D
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on October 12, 2005, 02:03:35 AM
yeah yeah yeah
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bobber on October 12, 2005, 12:40:11 PM
Quote from: The_End

True, but he was never a member - he didn't have the hair for it!! ;D

Neither had Pete.  :)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: GreenApple on October 13, 2005, 12:18:51 PM
I voted George Martin. Seems so obvious really to me. And most of you from the vote results. The End says he was never in the band, but, he made musical contributions as though he were in the band. Where would a lot of The Beatle's songs be without Martin's fantastic orchestral scores? And the music he wrote for Yellow Submarine on the soundtrack album is really nice too, while we're on the subject of George Martin.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: An Apple Beatle on October 27, 2005, 08:35:24 AM
Mr. Martin is the man!!!!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: raxo on November 01, 2005, 11:48:58 AM
Why don't we look for the 3rd and 4th?   ;D  We've not got many now.  :'(  ;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: GreenApple on November 01, 2005, 01:09:06 PM
Julian Lennon? He made some albums, and had a top ten UK hit in the late 80s/early 90s.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on November 01, 2005, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: GreenApple
Julian Lennon? He made some albums, and had a top ten UK hit in the late 80s/early 90s.


IDIOT HE CAN NOT A MEMBER BE
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Post by: on November 01, 2005, 06:17:58 PM
NEIL ASPINELL IS THE FIFTH BEATLE
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Post by: Bruno on November 01, 2005, 06:41:31 PM
Aspinell????
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Indica on November 01, 2005, 08:20:36 PM
it has to be George Martin.
He helped play, compose, construct and general experimentation.
He's a fine musician himself.

Rather cool man. :)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: raxo on November 01, 2005, 08:35:11 PM
Quote from: raxo

Sir George did a good job...and he was paid... ;)
oh, I love the keyboards parts he played on stage with the guys during the Beatlemania era... and his harmonies too, of course. ;D

In music, the producer always takes part in the work in studio but a band is more than the studio work.

Aren't the guys a foursome? I knew them as the Fab FOUR. Let's count: John (1), Paul (2), George (3) and,...and,... yeah,and Ringo(4): 1+1+1+1=4 Where's the 5th one?  ??)  ;D
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Indica on November 04, 2005, 11:50:05 PM
..but for the purposes of the thread and the '5th Beatle' myth..

that better?


 ;D
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: raxo on November 05, 2005, 12:13:56 AM
Why don't we search for the 3rd and 4th before? We've only got two of them.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Andy Smith on August 18, 2007, 02:54:54 PM
George Martin
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: on October 15, 2007, 09:47:35 PM
I think no-one can overestimate George Martin and his work!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: WaMoZ on January 02, 2008, 02:06:46 PM
George Martin was so much more than just a producer. He was a creative force in his own right.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Ligger on February 09, 2008, 12:07:57 AM
My vote goes for Peter Best, as he was hired fifth, after Stu. He spent two full years with the band, helping them define their sound.

He spent more time on stage, playing live with them, than Ringo.
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Post by: on February 09, 2008, 05:44:50 PM
George Martin by far!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Geoff on March 15, 2008, 06:30:56 PM
There aren't any fifth Beatles, but George Martin was the person most crucial to creating their sound apart from John, Paul, George, and Ringo. Wonderfully talented producer.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on April 28, 2008, 07:16:16 AM
Here's a piece I wrote about Sir George:


SIR GEORGE MARTIN. The Beatles
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: BlueMeanie on April 28, 2008, 10:52:45 AM
Very interesting article, as always Bill. Just one point though; Real Love wasn't the flipside of Free As A Bird, but a single A Side in it's own right.
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Post by: Bill Harry on April 28, 2008, 12:06:14 PM
Many thanks. I appreciate any mistakes that can be pointed out. It's invaluable.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Geoff on April 28, 2008, 02:26:01 PM
Thanks Bill; I hadn't been at all aware that Brian Epstein had threatened to pull EMI's labels off NEM's shelves if EMI didn't give The Beatles a try, or that George Martin had turned down Tommy Steele. Great article. And personally, I think of "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" as a single myself; that's how they're stored in my computer's media library!  :)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on April 28, 2008, 03:47:16 PM
Dear Geoff,
While George Martin went to see Tommy Steele and didn't bother, it was Dick Rowe of Decca who went to the 2 Is and signed Tommy and he became the biggest British rock and roll star of the Fifties. I knew Dick and he told me that he had never said '"Guitar groups are on their way out" as Epstein said he did. In fact, it was to the contrary. It also wasn't Dick who turned down the Beatles, as he was accused of. Mike Smith had just joined his team which was to seek new talent and Mike auditioned two groups on the same day, the Beatles and Brian Poole & the Tremeloes. He wanted to sign them both up, but as he was new to the game, Dick said he could pick one act and Mike chose Brian Poole. This was possibly because they came from nearby Aldershot and he could get them into the studio within an hour, whereas the motorways weren't built at the time and it would have taken the Beatles eight hours to get down from Liverpool
Virginia and i were sitting behind Dick and George Harrison when they were judging a beat competition at the Philharmonic Hall in Liverpool and we heard George tell Dick that they'd just been down to London and heard a great group called the Rolling Stones, who were "almost as good as our own Roadrunners." Dick left the competition and rushed down to London to sign the Stones.
Dick told me he was writing his autobiography, but died before it was finished. I've been in touch with his son, but the manuscript no longer exists.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: harihead on April 28, 2008, 04:19:33 PM
Wow, the things you've seen and heard! Amazing.

Re: your George Martin article, which I very much enjoyed:

Quote
he left the company. The Beatles, who had been signed to the company by Martin with such a disgracefully low royalty arrangements, couldn
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Ligger on May 01, 2008, 01:44:00 PM
Excellent chronicling of pop music history, as usual, Bill.

These three sentences alone could be the basis of two complete books:

"If the version with Ringo had not been released they would never have got away with the suggestion that it was Peter Best who was
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Geoff on May 03, 2008, 05:29:04 AM
Quote from: 1062
While George Martin went to see Tommy Steele and didn't bother, it was Dick Rowe of Decca who went to the 2 Is and signed Tommy and he became the biggest British rock and roll star of the Fifties. I knew Dick and he told me that he had never said '"Guitar groups are on their way out" as Epstein said he did. In fact, it was to the contrary. It also wasn't Dick who turned down the Beatles, as he was accused of.

It's odd how things work out; George Martin turned down Tommy Steele but signed The Beatles; and Dick Rowe took the rap for a decision made by someone else before signing the other great English rock and roll band of that era himself. Those wrong decisions were reasonable calls though; George Martin's forte wasn't rock and roll, and The Beatles' audition for Decca Records wasn't such that it wouldn't have left doubts in an A & R man's mind. It's only hindsight (and lazy journalism) that makes those decisions look foolish.

Sorry to hear that Dick Rowe never lived to publish his memoir; given the time and circumstances he lived through, it might well have been very interesting indeed (and I wonder what he made of Andrew Oldham!)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on May 03, 2008, 11:44:36 AM
One of my all time favourite Mersey groups was the Big Three. They comprised Adrian Barber, Johnny Hutchinson and Johnny Gustafson. Adrian, of course, made the famous 'coffin' amps, and the Beatles asked him to make one for them. When they signed with Brian Epstein, he booked them for the Star cCub in Hamburg, but said that the Star Club wanted a quartet, so he supplemented the group with Brian Griffiths. Adrian told me, "We are supposed to be the Big Three, not the Big Four" and left. Brian Griffiths was a brilliant guitarist and the group didn't suffer from his presence and I thought both line-ups were great. The Beatles were a great live group when they were John, Paul, George and Pete and don't let anyone tell you different!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Geoff on May 03, 2008, 04:33:20 PM
Quote from: 1062
Adrian told me, "We are supposed to be the Big Three, not the Big Four" and left.

I love the willfulness of that; it's the exact opposite of go-along career maneuvering.  :)

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on May 03, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
Adrian didn't do too bad. He became stage manager at the Star Club and built them an entire sound system to enable them to record the acts on stage (he did the initial Beatles at the Star Club recordings). Joeyt Dee, when he appeared at the Star Club,was so impressed he asked Adrian to do the same for the Peppermint Lounge in New York. Adrian then began to record for Atlantic Records and became recording manager for acts such as Aerosmith and the Allman Brothers Band and has now retired to Hawaii
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on May 05, 2008, 03:51:38 AM
Sir George Martin

(http://inblognegro.com/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/Lview5.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: fan numero uno on May 15, 2008, 08:15:33 PM
i like to think of myself as the fifth beatle......  ;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: fan numero uno on May 15, 2008, 08:16:34 PM
hold on! who put Yoko Ono on as an option! i mean, "Oh No!" was right!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: BlueMeanie on May 15, 2008, 08:23:31 PM
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One of my all time favourite Mersey groups was the Big Three. They comprised Adrian Barber, Johnny Hutchinson and Johnny Gustafson.

I once saw Johnny Gustafson playing in the Gordon Giltrap Band, at the Folkstone Lees Cliff Hall in about 1979. Excellent bass player.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on May 17, 2008, 06:12:21 PM
A Mersey musician penned the book 'Liverpool - The Fifth Beatle' and, of course, the city and the Beatles are inextricably linked. Now, although the Guinness Book of Records has dubbed Liverpool the Capital City of Popular Music, because it has had more No. 1 records than any other city in the world,  the British Arts Council is holding a vote to find which of ten cities in Britain is the one deserving of the title of most influential music city.
If you like Liverpool, do us a favour and vote for it. Go to http://www.artscouncil.org.uk and where you see the voting for Musical City, click on it and you will see ten cities listed, so click on Liverpool.
If you want more stories about liverpool, just ask me.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: alexis on May 17, 2008, 09:32:24 PM
HI Bill - Yes, tell us more please ... how about what Ye Crack was like? I went there about 20 years ago and had a few pints. Maybe I saw you there!

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: alexis on May 17, 2008, 09:36:20 PM
How about maybe Geoff Emerick and Hurricane Smith (Norman) as the 5th Beatles?

I mean, it musn't have been easy to translate John's ignorant ramblings ("make me sound like a thousand monks chanting") into specific mic placements, compressor settings, etc. I personally don't think the Beatles would have made it without either of them ... Smith to get the amazingly energetic sounds of the early days (I Want to Hold Your Hand, She Loves You, all of A Hard Day's Night, etc.), and Emerick from then on.

Not to take away from George Martin, and he was definitely their musical mentors, but really I don't think he had much to do with the mechanics of getting the Beatles "sound" on tape as much as these guys did.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on May 18, 2008, 08:12:07 AM
Ye Cracke was very different then to what it is now. They got rid of that cozy little snug room with the fire where John and I used to sit and chat. They knocked down the wall where Stuart and Rod Murray painted a mural of dock cranes in exchange for free drinks. The War Room is still there, though, where Arthur Ballard used to chat to his students and often met Stu's father, who he knew. John saw the famous Liverpool film star John Gregson walking past the Cracke and asked for his autograph, but he didn't have a piece of paper, so he picked up an old discarded boot and had him sign that. John was also lying on the floor aping swimming movements and the barmaid asked him what he was doing. "I'm swimming" he said. "Well, stop it" she told him. "I can't, I'll drown" he told her.
This is where I first introduced John to Stuart. Stu was there with his best friend Rod Murray, with whom he shared a flat in Percy Street.
John and I used to sit beneath a print of 'The Death of Nelson', a painting at the Walker Art Gallery. Sailors on both sides of the dying Admiral were turning away from him and John called the painting 'Who farted?' This is where I asked John to show me his poetry, which impressed me and led to me encouraging him to write.
One night John, Stuart, Rod and I went to Liverpool University to see the poet Royston Ellis. When we went back to the Cracke we felt that he was influenced by American beat poets and we felt that creative people are better expressing their own environment than someone else's, so that night we decided to called ourselves the Dissenters and we made a pact to make Liverpool famous. John would do it with his music, Stuart and Rod with their painting and me with my writing.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Geoff on May 18, 2008, 02:05:06 PM
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When we went back to the Cracke we felt that he was influenced by American beat poets and we felt that creative people are better expressing their own environment than someone else's, so that night we decided to called ourselves the Dissenters and we made a pact to make Liverpool famous. John would do it with his music, Stuart and Rod with their painting and me with my writing.

I've read that Mark Lewisohn is paying a lot of attention to Liverpool in the fifties for the first of his new books. My impression is that that angle, which is surely crucial for putting the Beatles in context, hasn't been explored all that much. I may have just missed it or not looked in the right places, though.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: BlueMeanie on May 19, 2008, 09:10:09 AM
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I've read that Mark Lewisohn is paying a lot of attention to Liverpool in the fifties for the first of his new books. My impression is that that angle, which is surely crucial for putting the Beatles in context, hasn't been explored all that much. I may have just missed it or not looked in the right places, though.

It's probably been done before in more academic books, not relating to The Beatles. I'm assuming that a large portion of the first book will be about how the caracter, personality, and humour of the people of Liverpool has been shaped over the years. I imagine that he'll start just before WWII.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 19, 2008, 10:24:20 AM
why just b4 the war?the 45s didn't start making their way to pool until during the war....
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Kevin on May 19, 2008, 02:52:09 PM
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why just b4 the war?the 45s didn't start making their way to pool until during the war....

I guess because that generally is seen as a turning point from a prosperous industrial port to a nest of work-shy hubcap thieving scousers (sorry - I meant fun loving and friendly.) the first Labour government, end of National Service, collapse of the dockyards, rock and roll post date the war. It would be a sensible place to start.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 19, 2008, 10:26:53 PM
why not in 1935...billy eckstien was back then.i think...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 19, 2008, 10:27:20 PM
does anyone remember billy???
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 19, 2008, 10:32:26 PM
ooops that was 39 he came out...my mom said he had a pompador like little richard in the 40s and thinks little richard stole his flambouyant style from him too...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 19, 2008, 10:36:17 PM
you gotta go back to older jazz to really trace it to the roots...who were the jazzers b4 1940 sir william??
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 19, 2008, 10:40:04 PM
Big Band Swing
Though the appearance of Benny Goodman and his big band in 1935 at the Palomar Ballroom in Los Angeles is considered to be the "official" start of the Big Bands, the style had been brewing for over a decade, starting out in New Orleans as Dixieland jazz.

Swing became increasingly popular thanks in part to radio play of such legends as Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington and Glenn Miller. The style of music and dance spreading from dancehall to dancehall on both coasts with variations of the swing dance appearing in different regions of the country like the Lindy hop and Jitterbug......then there were bluesmen...robert johnson...
i borrowed the gist of this...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bobber on May 20, 2008, 08:25:15 AM
Sure. But that music had an other origin as well. The Beatles' parents listened to a certain kind of music which influenced their offspring. You gotta start somewhere.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on May 20, 2008, 09:43:19 AM
ok in the begininng there was light....
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: alexis on June 07, 2008, 07:35:20 PM
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ok in the begininng there was light....

No, no, before that  :)

There were four elementary particles, that later joined to create space-time in a most harmonious sort of way  :)

The names of these four particles were ... :

1) ____________________
2) ____________________
3) ____________________
4) ____________________
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: alexis on June 07, 2008, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: 284
ok in the begininng there was light....


No, seriously ...

I love listening to the Andrews Sisters. No, wait, let me explain, please!

Andrews Sisters
They were a girl group from MN that sang in the 30's, 40's, 50's and probably beyond. They were 3 sisters that could harmonize INCREDIBLY. Like our boys, they were singing together since childhood, even earlier than John, Paul and George! Here is a clip to one of their most famous songs, "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wiVkdVPGoY

and here is another less famous one that shows off how much they can do with their voices - slurs, scat, etc. ... all in perfect 3-part harmony ("Hold Tight" )!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSpTwzOs-E8

I like to imagine that there is a direct line from these queens of 3-part harmony, through the black girl groups and other groups of the 50's that the Beatles cut their teeth on when they were learning to sing, straight through to John, Paul, and George. I remember reading George or Paul said the first song they learned 3-part harmony to was the Teddy Bear's "To Know Him is to Love Him" *. Then there were the great harmonies of the Cookies, who did Chains ** , the Marvelletes who did "Please Mr. Postman", the Shirelles who did " Baby It's You" *** , and lots of others. The Beatles loved all of them, and recorded them almost unchanged from the original versions. Not a bad cover band, those Beatles!


* "To Know Him is to Love Him" - The Teddy Bears : That was a Phil Spector song, title based on his father's tombstone epitaph (cry) . Funny how the music business seems to work, with him almost 2 decades later producing (or overproducing, depending on your taste) their Let it Be album, and later producing one of John's hits, after brandishing a live pistol in the recording studio ("We do it my way, OK John?").  Here's an early version of "To Know Him is to Love Him" for some 50s TV show. Corny as can be, but I think this may be the very version that the 3 boys sat around and listened to, studied how to sing, and performed on stage, and ultimately at their Decca Audition! Just about note-for-note! You be the judge ... :

Phil Spector's version (is this actually him as one of the Teddy Bears?):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws

^^ I have tears in my eyes as I watch this. Some young kids, all dressed up in borrowed studio fancy wear, helping set the course for music for decades to come. They don't even know it ... Back home to chores later that night, oh come on Dad, please can I go out tonight...

"To Know Him is to Love Him" - The Beatles And now the Beatles version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGsPapwKfg&feature=related


[Edited] And here's "To Know Him is to Love Him", Amy Winehouse doing the same tune!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHdAVOiw6Q&feature=related


** "Chains",  The Cookies:

http://oldschoolmusiclover.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/chains-as-performed-by-the-cookies-1963/

Man, I swear I can hear Paul harmonizing right in there! Again, the Beatles didn't vary too much at all from the vocals. That makes me think they learned this song really early as well, when they were learning to do harmony ("let's learn it just like this, then we'll know how to do stuff like this, so we have a vocal base to explore from later" ... they probably never said).

Interestingly, Chains was written by Carole King (and her husband Gerry Goffin), who was one of John's and Paul's greatest song-writing idols in the late 50's and early '60s! "We want to be like them" they pretty much said in interviews. It was originally performed by The Cookies, who were the back up group to Carole King's babysitter ... otherwise known as Little Eva (of Little Eva and the Imperials). Carole King wrote her first hit, "Locomotion", inspired by Little Eva's singing and dancing, and had her sing the demo track. When it was presented to Don Kirschner, he decided "demo track-schmemo track", and released it as it was ... Carole King's first #1 hit!

http://www.history-of-rock.com/cookies.htm

http://www.history-of-rock.com/little_eva.htm

The Cookies later on wound up being Ray Charles backup singers, the Ray-lettes. Old joke - you couldn't be a Ray-lette unless you let Ray  ;)


*** "Baby It's You", The Shirelles:

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Shirelles/+videos/+1-6gK6cHFYf2U


 Funny how the instrumental break is pretty much just want George played on the guitar (and George Martin doubling on the piano?, I can't remember), and the fade out is exactly what John did on his version. Those boys knew something good when they heard it!


"Baby It's You", A Group Called Smith
And finally here's a version of the same song, "Baby It's You", by A Group Called Smith, in the late 60's. Turned out to be the highest charting version! ...

http://www.last.fm/music/Smith/+videos/+1-hCD5GpmFHUg

Can I say I think I might like it even better than John's vocals?


Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: alexis on June 07, 2008, 09:43:38 PM
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Air, water, fire, and something else. Or am I way off here?

Paul would be the air for me. John the fire. I don't know about the other two. I guess Ringo would be: other. Heh.

I didn't have any answers myself, but I like the way you went on them!

John definitely "Fire" ,and I like Paul being "Air" also. How about Ringo being "Earth"? What about George? Water? (He did sing "Wah Wah" on ? ATMP?)  :)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: aspinall_lover on June 07, 2008, 09:48:32 PM
Neil Aspinall.............of course, from this "aspinall lover"..............
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Sondra on June 07, 2008, 10:46:20 PM
Quote from: 568

I didn't have any answers myself, but I like the way you went on them!

John definitely "Fire" ,and I like Paul being "Air" also. How about Ringo being "Earth"? What about George? Water? (He did sing "Wah Wah" on ? ATMP?)  :)

At first I thought George would definitely be earth. Cuz he's, well, earthy! But then Ringo always seemed to be the most grounded and of this world. So I think earth suits him. Water goes through everything and is very other worldly in a way. It takes many shapes and can be very strong as well. Sort of like George!

Honestly, I have no idea what I'm talking about and I know it's off topic, so sorry. But I think it's interesting comparing them to ancient elements. It sort of fits the whole, everything came from them thing that Beatle obsessives innatley believe.  ;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: alexis on June 07, 2008, 11:03:27 PM
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At first I thought George would definitely be earth. Cuz he's, well, earthy! But then Ringo always seemed to be the most grounded and of this world. So I think earth suits him. Water goes through everything and is very other worldly in a way. It takes many shapes and can be very strong as well. Sort of like George!

Honestly, I have no idea what I'm talking about and I know it's off topic, so sorry. But I think it's interesting comparing them to ancient elements. It sort of fits the whole, everything came from them thing that Beatle obsessives inatley believe.  ;)

Moi? Us?

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on June 18, 2008, 08:34:08 PM
God, I just wish the term 'The 5th Beatle' hadn't come into existence. The Beatles, as we all know them, were John, Paul, George and Ringo. There was no one else in the line-up. Brian Epstein managed them, George Martin recorded them, Pete Best and Stuart Sutcliffe were former members, but the Beatles were a quartet, there wasn't a fifth Beatle. Let's refer to Brian as their manager, to George as their recording manager, to Neil as their friend, to Pete and Stuart as former members and let's leave it at that.
If there were five Beatles playing together on stage, or recording together, let's all into the secret.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: DaveRam on June 20, 2008, 10:39:03 AM
Surely the 5th Beatle is each and every FAN ? you don't have much of anything without that special ingredient (wink1)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on June 20, 2008, 10:49:12 AM
On the other hand there was John, Paul, George, Pete and Chas. Newby advertised as the Beatles direct from Hamburg who made such a terrific impact at Litherland Town Hall, but no one would suggest Chas as a fifth Beatle.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Andy Smith on June 21, 2008, 11:06:28 PM
hey, Bill Harry is the 5th Beatle!!  ;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on June 21, 2008, 11:38:50 PM
hell no chas ain't a fifth beatle but bill could be.....
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Oh Pineapple on July 24, 2008, 07:01:52 PM
Maybe there were several different people called the "fifth Beatle". Maybe throughout the Beatles musical era, or even later on? I think there was defiantly a "fifth Beatle" way before George Martin. And as the group progressed as a band, so did each member of it. Musically and personally. Stronger bonds would be made between the boys and some bonds would wear off. (Pete Best for example) They could of called him the fifth Beatle at some point in time and then obviously boot him off, since he was no longer apart of the band after awhile. But me personally, I think George Martin was the "real" fifth Beatle all a long. But also with the fact, that he was never the first. Who really knows? Just like DaveRam said, the fifth Beatle could of been the fans.  
So it could of been anybody.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: cubanheel on July 25, 2008, 12:01:40 PM
For me, it kind of depends on what you're looking at  -  musically, direction-wise (hey, I know that's not a word), historically (in terms of helping them become who they became), visually (they had so many iconic images, from Astrid in Hamburg right through to Let it Be), so I'm gonna cop out completely and say, well, I can't narrow it down!!
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: cubanheel on July 25, 2008, 12:02:38 PM
So I voted, there is no 5th Beatle, but what I really mean is there is no single 5th Beatle, just about a hundred or so.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: 62redux on September 24, 2008, 06:41:06 PM
It's a fun question to consider in a figurative sense...all in the list can be "5th" in a figurative sense but, it's fun to look at that as possibly being a trick question.  Consider the chronology.

Look at the band's timeline, and you'll quickly see was the original 5th beatle in the literal sense of the term: no one.  

here's why: An existing foursome was called the "silver beatles", and soon added a 5th silver beatle as drummer.

Soonafter, with "silver" being dropped, all 5 "silver beatles" simultaneously became an original beatle. It's not as if there were 3 "beatles"..then a 4th..then 5th, then back to 4.  In reality, PB was the 5th Silver Beatle, but then at time of name change in 8/60 all 5 instantaneously became "a beatle", so no one was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, but in the history of the Silver Beatles, PB was the original 5th silver beatle.  Stu was never a 5th in the literal sense, but became a figurative 5th when he quit the band.  It's also documented by the consummate authority (Neil Aspinall) that either Pete or Stu would have to be considered the "5th".   There were 6 total people on the planet that were "a beatle".  Thankfully, 3 of them are still with us.  Fun question up top, but why wouldn't pb even be on the list ?   (for fun sake, could even add chas newby as didn't he sit in on bass as a beatle for the first "beatles" (not quarrymen) shows at casbah after 1st hamburg trip?.  

All in good fun though. thanks for the survey question..that was just my 2 cents for the sake of fun tidbits...see ya
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Penny Lane on October 05, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: 568
John definitely "Fire" ,and I like Paul being "Air" also. How about Ringo being "Earth"? What about George? Water? (He did sing "Wah Wah" on ? ATMP?)  :)

That's a good way of putting it...makes sense to me.   :)

BTW, I voted in favor of George Martin.  He might not have been a band member technically, but he was such an important part of helping the band get its "sound."

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Jane on February 17, 2009, 08:48:41 PM
I would like to think of Stu as the fifth Beatle...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on February 25, 2009, 12:57:10 PM
would you care to fiddle about j?
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Jane on February 25, 2009, 08:45:10 PM
???
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: pc31 on February 27, 2009, 04:03:13 PM
PkEAS_eySw4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkEAS_eySw4)

ringo was slated for ernies part and did it in the play but couldn't do the movie...
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: I am the Paulrus on April 06, 2009, 04:57:45 AM
Who would you consider as your favourite 5th Beatle/Beatles?

I would say anyone who was in The Beatles' inner circle was a 5th Beatle. In this case, I would say 5th Beatles: George Martin, Brian Epstein, Mal Evans, Neil Aspinall, Derek Taylor, Alistair Taylor, Tony Bramwell,Tony Barrow, Alf Bicknell, Billy Preston, Stu Sutcliffe, Eric Clapton, and Pete Best.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bill Harry on June 22, 2009, 05:33:12 PM
Sir George Martin said that Neil Aspinall was the fifth Beatle. Neil said, "I keep trying to lay that on George! There is no fifth Beatle. I think if there was such a thing it would be Pete Best or Stu Sutcliffe, not some outsider who wasn't in the band. A ridiculous suggestion."
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: TomMo on June 12, 2012, 05:37:13 AM
This question has given me a "Wah-Wah", that's for sure.

Allow me to put my professor hat on. Looking at the question historically and scientifically, weighing all the choices, I came up with two finalists: Brian Epstein and Sir George Martin. But wait! There can only be one FIFTH BEATLE! What to do. What to do.

Ah, who else would know the identity of the Fifth Beatle? Perhaps one of the FOUR BEATLES.

George Harrison voted for Derek Taylor and Neil Aspinall. Good choices indeed. But Paul McCartney voted for Brian Epstein. I have utilized the only fair way to arrive at a final answer: The Seniority System. Since Paul was a Beatle before George, Paul's vote has more weight. Therefore, the answer is: Brian Epstein. There it is.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: TomMo on June 27, 2012, 05:39:18 PM
My previous opinion is now inoperative. I now have photographic evidence. HERE is the Fifth Beatle:
(http://beatlephotoblog.com/photos/2012/06/125.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: BeatlesAtTheirBest on July 05, 2012, 02:47:10 AM


The real 5th Beatle is the REAL 5th Beatle.

The only man who doesn't need anyone to give him the title because he already owns it.

The ONLY person who can say it as an absolute fact.










Pete Best

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bobber on July 05, 2012, 07:51:29 AM

The real 5th Beatle is the REAL 5th Beatle.

The only man who doesn't need anyone to give him the title because he already owns it.

The ONLY person who can say it as an absolute fact.

Pete Best



You have made your point on numerous occasions.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Badgirl66 on July 06, 2012, 11:16:17 AM
Bobbyer pete was Beatle Number four
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Bobber on July 06, 2012, 12:32:59 PM
Bobbyer pete was Beatle Number four

Well, Stuart was there before him, so he used to be #5.
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: Hello Goodbye on July 06, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Well, Stuart was there before him, so he used to be #5.

Yes.


There were nine in total...

John Lennon
Paul McCartney
George Harrison
Stu Sutcliffe
Pete Best
Chas Newby
Johnny Hutchinson
Ringo Starr
Jimmy Nicol



The Beatles - Revolution 9 (2009 Stereo Remaster) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_LHpiYUF0#)

John Lennon - No 9 Dream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-rstOjonZU#)



;)
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: BeatlesAtTheirBest on July 07, 2012, 02:34:56 AM


Stu & John thought of the name, so clearly they were Beatles #1 & #2.

Paul & George came next, so they were Beatles #3 & #4.

Then came Pete Best.  Beatle #5

The final Beatle was Ringo Starr.  Beatle #6




Pete Best WAS the 5th Beatle.


Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: stuartblogtumblr on August 15, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
I didn't see the list of candidates, but if Stuart Sutcliffe is on it, he shouldn't be....he was in actuality the fourth Beatle.  He joined as a Quarryman---when the group became The Beatles (his suggestion), it was John, Paul, George and Stuart.  Thanks---
Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: BeatlesAtTheirBest on August 23, 2012, 01:15:37 PM

Actually, it was John, Stu, Paul & George.  Not John, Paul, George & Stu.


"When Stuart came in, it felt as if he was taking the position away from George and me. We had to take a bit of a back seat. "

- Paul McCartney on Stuart Sutcliffe




Stu also came up with the name "Beetles" with an assist from John (changing the spelling to "Beatles"), so clearly he was the 1st or 2nd Beatle, not 4th.

Title: Re: Who's the 5th Beatle?
Post by: stuartblogtumblr on August 23, 2012, 07:40:27 PM
Interesting post----in terms of sequence, the musical group of John, George and Paul existed as the Quarrymen with several people joining in and out.  Stuart came into this group in early 1960.  Then with Stuart and John collaborating on the name change (Stuart supplying the "beetles" or "beatals" idea and John being creative with the spelling), the entire band became The (Silver) Beatles.  As your Paul quote indicated, he and George had to take a "back seat" when Stuart joined...showing they were already in place as band members when Sutcliffe became their bass player.  Stuart is therefore fourth.