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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2007, 01:58:50 PM »

And Elvis Presley once told Richard Nixon that he thought The Beatles were spreading anti-American propaganda.
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2007, 02:26:24 PM »

Pete Townsend: "John [Entwistle] and I were listening to a stereo L.P. of The Beatles in which the voices come out of one side, and the backing track comes out of the other. And when you actually hear the backing tracks of The Beatles without their voices, they're flippen lousy."
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2007, 02:33:05 PM »

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Pete Townsend: "John [Entwistle] and I were listening to a stereo L.P. of The Beatles in which the voices come out of one side, and the backing track comes out of the other. And when you actually hear the backing tracks of The Beatles without their voices, they're flippen lousy."
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Who cares? (no pun intented) The Who sucks. One of the most overrated bands in music history. They couldn't even play a decent version of Barbara Ann...
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2007, 02:40:30 PM »

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Who cares? (no pun intented) The Who sucks. One of the most overrated bands in music history. They couldn've even play a decent version of Barbara Ann...

Never cared for them either. Magic Bus is apalling. And I find Beatle backing and arranging far better than anything they did.
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2007, 02:48:59 PM »

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Never cared for them either. Magic Bus is apalling. And I find Beatle backing and arranging far better than anything they did.

Pete Townsends singing, for one thing.

I've never been a fan of Roger Daltry's voice. Moon hits too many drums, Entwhistle plays too many notes, and Townsend can't play lead to save his life. Great band then! ;)
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2007, 04:30:20 PM »

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"The Beatles are not merely awful. They are so unbelievably horrible, so appallingly unmusical, so dogmatically insensitive to the magic of the art, that they qualify as crowned heads of antimusic"
- William F. Buckley, Jr (Journalist)
Hee! Thanks, BiscuitPower; this is one of the greatest quotes ever. It makes me want to pat Bill on his pompous, polysyllabic cheeks. *watches as Bill and "a clue" go off in opposite directions*
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2007, 04:46:32 PM »

Here's another of Mr Buckley's quotes, directed at Gore Vidal :
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2007, 04:57:12 PM »

Only the sixties?  ;D
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2007, 12:18:09 AM »

I despise this recent "I hate The Beatles because I've never actually listened" thing, where people say they hate them for no beter reason then that they are a popular group. As Jello Biafra himself said:

The punks need to get over themselves. There is no way John Lydon was as scary to England in 1977 as John Lennon was in 1967.

This large group of people, many who simply refuse to listen to "old" music, they just want to seem different. And if you have to TRY to be different, you're not different at all.
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2007, 09:48:32 AM »

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This large group of people, many who simply refuse to listen to "old" music, they just want to seem different. And if you have to TRY to be different, you're not different at all.

People who refuse to listen to old music are just silly. So much great pop music has been made in the last 50+ years, who would anyone limit himself to just music from the last 2-3 years? That's just like saying you only read books with titles starting with an N or that you only eat green colored food.

Consumer items go out of fashion, good art doesn't. So if you won't listen to older music because you think it's old fashioned, it says a lot about what music means to you.
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2017, 07:14:21 PM »

OK, lets get this straight. I'm not on this guys side, just trying to show how someone can look at something and come to a totally different conclusion.
I never said The Beatles did nothing but copy other peoples work. That's silly. What I said was "their genius was their receptiveness to all things new and their ability to take all these disparate and fringe ideas and turn them into something that can get played on the radio." . Totally different meaning. You lept to the wrong conclusion and started talking about people "ripping off" things. Totally off the mark.
 Where would they have been without Dylan, The Byrds and Brian Wilson? And yes, I've read Lewishon's book. And I was trying to show how Q magazine had that same belief, but turned into a positive. It is no detriment that they went away and listened to music outside the mainstream and used these influences to create incredibly fantastic music that was of huge influence to others. I think it boils down to what you think "innovative" and "creative" mean. I don't agree with him, but I can see Mr PS's background (left wing academic) might mean that he places different meanings to these words than me.
 I agree he's wrong about The Beatles not recieving contempary praise. We know they did.
The sex and drugs thing - to be honest I listened to all those songs for years without realising their "hidden" meanings.You must agree that they are exceptionally vague. Mr PS could well argue that what is the validity of having these references if noone knows they're there. He would argue that everyone knew what "Mothers Little Helper" and "Lets Spend The Night Together" were about. Then you would say their genius was their subtelty, their ability to insert  subversive meanings into otherwise harmless songs. And on it goes.
The haircut thing - you're both being silly.
And the popularity thing - I think he went to extrordinory lengths to say why he thought what he thought. I, like you, don't agree with him. But he's not an idiot, and as I said a lot of things were out of my league.
My friend - I agree with most of what you say about The Beatles. It's just that your fanatical zealousness makes Al-Queeda (sp) look like boyscouts. And do you really go around websites identifying former "Beatle Haters."

ps I'd be careful about using Hunter Davies as a reference (authorised should be replaced by "sanatised"), or for that matter Anthology. The Beatles openly said they were telling their side of the story. Great chunks are missing (Yoko and the breakup get nary a mention) and time can colour even the greatest of memories.



I just found this post from finding the topic on google, and 10 years ago I never looked up what Al Queeda was,that you cruelly said I  made sound like the boyscouts,and I now found out that they are an Arab terrorist group what an extremely unjustified,horrible thing you said to me and I'm really surprised that none of the moderators didn't say anything to you about it.I wasn't cursing or threatening anyone in my posts, I just posted as a very knowledgeable passionate fan who was trying to debunk all of these lies by this now even more popular Scaruffi.


Here is a great rebuttal of Piero Scaruffi's countless hateful outright lies about The Beatles that  I recently found.This is what I was and am trying to do too.


https://factorysunburst.wordpress.com/2014/08/31/piero-scaruffi-and-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-517






This great blog post  is by a guitar player and musically academically knowledgeable guy debunking the totally ignorant,ludicrous hateful lies by cognitive scientist and music critic Piero Scaruffi about The Beatles that ignorant Beatles haters calling them a talentless boy band,are quoting on so many sites for many years now and still are.


https://factorysunburst.wordpress.com/2014/08/31/piero-scaruffi-and-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-517


On a heavy metal site someone posted Scaruffi's horrible inaccurate bullsh*t about The Beatles and a guy said that Scaruffi made up contrived bullsh*t about The Beatles and that a lot of people think he knows what he's talking about because he's a cognitive scientist.Many people elsewhere have said that Scaruffi just made up most of this bullsh*t,he made all of it up,the only facts he got right are John,Paul,George,Ringo,George Martin and Brian Epstein's names and when someone makes up that many lies about a subject,you can't trust anything they say about it.



I actually emailed this idiot Scaruffi back in 2001 to try to debunk his ignorant lies about The Beatles,and he emailed me back three times,and I was civil to him,(which wasn't easy,and I had to control myself from not cursing him,but  I know that wasn't going to work to get through to him) and he was civil to me too,but you just can't get through to him.He actually said that he thought I'm one of the most intelligent Beatles fans he ever communicated with because I never mentioned The Beatles record sales as to why they are great and he actually claimed that this all the majority of Beatles fans said to him,that they sold the most records,which he denies that they did in his horrid article. I don't believe him at all I'm sure that a lot of other knowledgeable fans did inform him of a lot of  academic and music scholarship that debunks his stupid,horrible lies but he just doesn't want to recognize it because he irrationally hates The Beatles and wants everyone else to hate them too.


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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2017, 03:18:12 AM »

what an extremely unjustified,horrible thing you said to me and I'm really surprised that none of the moderators didn't say anything to you about it.

If you look back through this thread you'll see that Kevin apologized, specifically to you and also to the forum at large.
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2017, 05:29:55 AM »

Ten years ago.
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2017, 08:57:49 AM »

Ten years ago.

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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2017, 09:05:32 AM »

Hi Fanofthefab4
 I wanted to make a post in this thread, I kind of feel your pain and anguish.
There are many on this site who have a deep love of The Beatles,  it seems to go beyond just fandom.
I myself grew up with them and they are part of my pysche  (whatever that is)

Some are just fans who like the music, but with others (like me, and I suspect you) it goes much, much deeper.

I can't explain my fascination with this band and I won't even try.
The best way to deal with people who denigrate them is really just to ignore them, they are entitled to their opinions but I actually feel sorry for them, they know not what they do......

Instead read sites like George  Starostins, a man who really knows his music , don't dwell on the wannabes  icon_good

http://starling.rinet.ru/music/index.htm

Hope this helps  in some small way.
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2017, 03:59:09 PM »

I'm glad this post has returned.  I hadn't seen it before.  I will say there's certainly a ton of reading involved.  The links/references only lead to more in-depth reading on this topic.

I have had personal experiences with anti-Beatle people and I do not care to remember them.  One of the reasons is how I was bullied by some of these people in addition their doing this in front of other people who made no effort to support or defend me.  I hate it when observers (also friends) pretend to be unaware of what's going on.  Nosy eavesdroppers who hear everything will pretend to have heard nothing if it means getting involved in a helping way.  They're cowards and not real friends.

If I'm ever in the mood to re-live some of these experiences, I will post them. 

Suffice it to say that anti-Beatle talk is usually not at all friendly or intelligent.  You just have to develop a tough hide and let it go.  What are you supposed to do when an ugly bully is screaming at you in your face and at the same time accuses you of being the bad guy in the whole thing?

Let it be - let it be.  That's all I can think of to say (at the moment).
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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2017, 01:09:04 AM »

I'm glad this post has returned.  I hadn't seen it before.  I will say there's certainly a ton of reading involved.  The links/references only lead to more in-depth reading on this topic.

I have had personal experiences with anti-Beatle people and I do not care to remember them.  One of the reasons is how I was bullied by some of these people in addition their doing this in front of other people who made no effort to support or defend me.  I hate it when observers (also friends) pretend to be unaware of what's going on.  Nosy eavesdroppers who hear everything will pretend to have heard nothing if it means getting involved in a helping way.  They're cowards and not real friends.

If I'm ever in the mood to re-live some of these experiences, I will post them. 

Suffice it to say that anti-Beatle talk is usually not at all friendly or intelligent.  You just have to develop a tough hide and let it go.  What are you supposed to do when an ugly bully is screaming at you in your face and at the same time accuses you of being the bad guy in the whole thing?

Let it be - let it be.  That's all I can think of to say (at the moment).

I think letting it go is by far the best option. Not everyone likes the same thing and I'm sure all of us at times casually dismiss an artist out loud without thinking that a fan of them might be listening. It'd get a bit tedious if every time that happened someone took us to task to argue why Milli Vanilli or whoever really was the greatest thing.

I used to be a little more bolshie with these types. In the 80s my then girlfriend had a friend who dismissed the Beatles as a little bop band. She was into Frank Sinatra etc. so my response was to ask her if she was her own grandmother.  Bearing in mind that she said this when told I was a Beatle fan. Those instances always seems to be intended as more of a personal insult.

Since then I pretty much ignore it. Life's too short and you're never convincing anyone.

If the comment is framed more in a constructive critical way then that can be the opportunity for a fun chat about why you think they're wrong. But that's about all.



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Re: Ignorant Inaccurate Things Popular Music Critic P
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2017, 05:57:33 AM »

Lmfao. Reading this was a wild ride.
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« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2017, 01:21:41 AM »

Lmfao. Reading this was a wild ride.

Oh, yeah; it always is!
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