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George & Paul's relationship after The Beatles
nimrod:
--- Quote from: nonemoreblack on January 04, 2013, 05:41:54 PM ---Yeah, that was May Pang's book. From what I understand, John had promised to help George out with his tour (when he was getting all those bad reviews) by appearing at his Madison Square Garden show but changed his mind and wasn't going to sign the legal papers for The Beatles to break up. That was the final straw for George after years of being used by him (usually against Paul), and he shouted something to the effect of, "I always did everything you asked me to, but when have you ever been there for me?!" John didn't leave though. George smacked his sunglasses away because he wanted him to look him in the face, and John sat there and listened because he saw George was in pain, and he knew what that felt like.
There was another fight they had previously, which I think is the real reason George walked out of the Let it Be sessions. There's recordings of the sessions and his "argument" with Paul. In context it really isn't much of an argument at all. They made a big effort to cover up the recording of the fight between John and George, so I imagine it was pretty serious. Something that had been building for a long time, since the Hamburg days. It's all a bit weird, and yes you have to take these things with a grain of salt. However, there's enough consistency between different sources to be able to connect the dots. I don't like finding out about this stuff either, but at the same time I feel bad that Paul often has to take the blame when there's more to the story and frustrated when Yoko tries to make out that John was the one who cared about George the most.
My guess is it was something like this: George's relationship with Paul = publicly not good, privately very good
George's relationship with John = publicly good, privately not so good
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Doesnt make any sense, you dont ask someone you dont like to play lead guitar on your Imagine album and in the process spend days/weeks at your house in the countryside....John couldve had any lead guitarist on that album............and why would George even want John to help him out at Madison Square if he couldnt stand the sight of him ?
nonemoreblack:
It's not that they hated each other. You can tell by the way George talked about John after he died how much he loved him, and I'm sure John loved George too, but they did have some issues to work through. It's sad that John died before that was able to happen as I think they all would've become friends again eventually.
I don't want to pretend I know what happened or anything like that. I just find the whole Paul/George/John dynamic very interesting.
zipp:
A couple more things to be considered.
I think George was pleased once the Beatles ended because it gave him freedom with a lot less pressure. He was the one who once said being a Beatle was like having a toothache.
He probably knew that John was the main driving force behind the eventual separation even if Paul made the actual announcement. So that would explain his solidarity with John immedaitely after the break-up.
But when George wanted John to help him with the Bangladesh concert and John refused to appear without Yoko, things began to change. And later John was the one who didn't want to sign the papers ending the Beatles financial links, as has already been pointed out. So it kind of seemed that John was now the one taking away his freedom!
So in the end I don't think he really wanted to have much to do with either John or Paul. He really seems to be forcing himself in the Anthology project. You can see this when they have the little jam session and Paul is getting over enthusiastic. I also believe he was behind the decision not to go ahead with a Threetle version of Now and Then. Remember, George was the one who had said the Beatles could never get together again as long as John was dead.
nonemoreblack:
That's a great point, actually! George is a difficult guy to figure out. On the one hand, he really loved The Beatles and Paul and John (and of course Ringo), but at the same time he seemed the most traumatized by the whole thing. I forgot about the effect Yoko had on his relationship with John as well.
Here's an example of what I was talking about earlier. It's part of a transcript of the tapes of the Let It Be/Get Back sessions:
January 8th, 1969: George plays ‘I Me Mine’ to John for the first time. John snacks on food, opens Paul’s mail, and doesn’t pay much attention.
JOHN: Is that the end of it?
GEORGE: Yeah. It’s only that long—
JOHN: We can use it for a commercial. [laughs] So uh, yeah. It’s fine. And what do we do about that?
GEORGE: Um, well, it’s just a bit—
JOHN: It sounds so hard to do.
GEORGE: You see— No, it’s… no.
JOHN: I mean, for you.
GEORGE: No.
JOHN: [falsetto] I me mine… You know, all that singing.
The audio: http://amoralto.tumblr.com/post/39803804848/january-8th-1969-george-plays-i-me-mine-to
It's no wonder the poor guy felt so insecure.
Dcazz:
--- Quote from: nonemoreblack on January 04, 2013, 05:41:54 PM ---Yeah, that was May Pang's book. From what I understand, John had promised to help George out with his tour (when he was getting all those bad reviews) by appearing at his Madison Square Garden show but changed his mind and wasn't going to sign the legal papers for The Beatles to break up. That was the final straw for George after years of being used by him (usually against Paul), and he shouted something to the effect of, "I always did everything you asked me to, but when have you ever been there for me?!" John didn't leave though. George smacked his sunglasses away because he wanted him to look him in the face, and John sat there and listened because he saw George was in pain, and he knew what that felt like.
There was another fight they had previously, which I think is the real reason George walked out of the Let it Be sessions. There's recordings of the sessions and his "argument" with Paul. In context it really isn't much of an argument at all. They made a big effort to cover up the recording of the fight between John and George, so I imagine it was pretty serious. Something that had been building for a long time, since the Hamburg days. It's all a bit weird, and yes you have to take these things with a grain of salt. However, there's enough consistency between different sources to be able to connect the dots. I don't like finding out about this stuff either, but at the same time I feel bad that Paul often has to take the blame when there's more to the story and frustrated when Yoko tries to make out that John was the one who cared about George the most.
My guess is it was something like this: George's relationship with Paul = publicly not good, privately very good
George's relationship with John = publicly good, privately not so good
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That's right. It's been years since I read the book and thank you for the memory jog and clarification. George must have been in a tough place back then. The reality is they're still people and have the same issues as everyone else.
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